Posted by Kacey (+3162) 10 years ago
Anyone know the REAL story on what is going on with Brewsters and why they're moving to a new location?
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Posted by David Schott (+14258) 10 years ago
Wasn't there recent discussion on these forums about an Arby's coming to town?

Whatever the case, I think that Ray & Terri Schmidt have to be among the very best business owners in Miles City. Munchies, KFC/A&W, the Holiday Inn Express motel, and Brewster's appear to have been well-managed, very popular, and apparently very successful under their stewardship. This is without a doubt due to the fact that the Schmidt's worked extremely hard, every day. I appreciate walking into a business and finding the owner there. It's a good sign that the owner genuinely cares about the customer's experience.

Miles City is lucky to have Ray & Terri Schmidt as business owners in the community.

- Dave
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3715) 10 years ago
Ooh boy I hope it's a casino. You just can't find a place in MC to sit around pushing a button and watching your $$ meter go down.
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Posted by Matt Hanvold (+56) 10 years ago
Word. (That means I totally agree.)
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+9770) 10 years ago
Yup. It's turning into a casino, at least temporarily.
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Posted by Neveah (+51) 10 years ago
Let's officially rename the town "Miles Vegas" and just get it over with!
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Posted by Sharlene (+1201) 10 years ago
What a waste. I really like their food. Just what Miles City does NOT need, more casinos.
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Posted by V (+171) 10 years ago
Some people and their ideas!! We don't need any more Casino's we have enough. Miles Vegas that's the new name now. That isn't going to bring in new businesses (oops) it going to spend where it doesn't need to.
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Posted by Ryan (+480) 10 years ago
The city will agree to more casinos because they get money from them.
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Posted by spacekace (+886) 10 years ago
I agree with why do we need another casino... It seems there are plenty and one on about every street corner. I do not go into these casino's...but apparently many Miles Citians spend ample amounts of time in these establishments. I would assume that with the abundance of casino's around the largest truck stops in town as well, out of town travelers and truck drivers also indulge in a little keno themselves. The recession has not yet hit Montana. Unemployment rates in Montana is one of the lowest among the states. More and more people are realizing this and are moving to Montana. You can even notice on mc.com, the people loosing their jobs, moving to our area, needing employment, housing...etc. I believe it is inevitable that the recession will hit Montana within 2 years. What will these casino's turn into when there is no money to be spent at them? What will happen to the jobs created by the many casinos, if people stop gambling? It's a scary thought to me, if you think about what could happen to our so-far somewhat happy little town...
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Posted by Kacey (+3162) 10 years ago
Amorette,
What do you mean it's turning into a casino, at least temporarily?
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2734) 10 years ago
The city will agree to more casinos because they get money from them.

Either you're making a joke or you dropped out of school before studying basic civics and American Government. Either way, that is one of the dumbest things ever posted on MC.com - and we all know the competition for that dubious honor is pretty stiff.
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Posted by Moonbeam (+28) 10 years ago
Steve, Obviously you don't know that the more casinos, the more money spent and the more money that goes into the county & city coffers. They (government) get a percentage of the gambling money spent in each county/city. I some cases, this amounts to a big chunk of change. The County/city use this in their budget process - the more money they receive, the less they have to levy for.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2734) 10 years ago
Moonbeam - Obviously you don't know that the City has nothing to do with how many casinos are located in the city (there are a fixed number of casino licenses). And you also obviously don't understand that the City has nothing to do with the business decisions that go into the specific type of business that gets conducted in a commercially-zoned building. If it is a legal activity in a properly zoned area, the City has bumpkuss to say about it.
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1883) 10 years ago
Most of that money being pumped into those casinos by "patrons" is money that DOES NOT go into the community.
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Posted by Moonbeam (+28) 10 years ago
Yes, there are a certain # of licenses granted just like there are only a certain amount of liquor licenses....but those business can also increase the number of machines they have in that business or decrease them ...they have to go through the gambling division to do so...As I also work for the State, I have seen the list of the machines which are taxed...the local assessor gets the list to check each year when she reviews business' personal property for taxation. I have also seen the list of monies that is sent to local governments from the State and it's rather impressive to see how much actually comes in...all because of the poker/keno, etc. machines.
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Posted by Colette Butcher (+407) 10 years ago
Steve, what is the number of allowed casinos for Miles City? Do you have any idea? It seems that anytime any building stays empty for any length of time they've been getting turned into casinos. I realize the owners of the casinos make a great living off them. What sickens me is seeing the same people going in and out of casinos on a daily basis. Having lived in Miles City for years I recognize who many of the patrons are and a lot of them really cannot afford to be in there. They are just there to "hit the big one", which probably never happens. I would have trouble being a casino owner and sleeping at night knowing that there are kids out there doing without, are home alone so their parents can play the machines or seeing kids in the casinos eating the complimentary pretzles for supper on a school night. Miles City could use a lot of new businesses but I personally do not think we need more and more casinos. Hope no one figures out a way to use the depot for one. After all it is sitting empty!!
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+13658) 10 years ago
So if there is a new casino, that means that there is one less bar in Miles City, since the number of liquor licenses remains the same, correct? Who went out of business?
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Posted by spacekace (+886) 10 years ago
...most casino's don't have a full liquor license... Most just serve beer and wine, which only require that license, and apparently there a lot of those available...
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2734) 10 years ago
I really don't know that much about casinos - I personally don't like them and have yet to spend a single solitary cent (nickel? /quarter? /dollar?) in one - though I am guilty of purchasing a lottery ticket or two. And I am the last person who wants to see more casinos in Miles City (especially on Main Street) for all the reasons listed above.

That said, I'm not on a Carrie Nation drive to take a hatchet to them either. If they're properly licensed, have the correct zoning, and some private individual wants to invest his or her money to develop it, then that is their right under federal, state and local laws.

The fact of the matter is that casinos are legal in Montana and under our free market system, the City can regulate but cannot promote nor discourage them. The sole purpose of my original entry here was to make the point that the "City" isn't out actively encouraging more casinos, which seemed to be what Ryan was implying. That false implication ignores reality and perpetuates a myth - and as such does the community a disservice.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+9770) 10 years ago
If you will recall, the Cellar Casino is no more. While I hope there are plans to rebuild, construction would take longer than putting the machines that were saved into the old Hardy's building until such time as a new building is completed. Get some cash flow going quicker.

I'm not privy to any super secret plans but have put two and two together and gotten elventy-seven.

I would LOVE to see 'real' businesses in Miles City but real businesses require a great deal more work and know-how then just plugging in the poker machines. There is no quicker way to make money, with less effort, than the Montana version of a casino. After all, making a buck is the point of owning a business.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6167) 10 years ago
Occasionally I have reason to be glad I live in Utah.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3715) 10 years ago
Does anyone want to defend these things? I can't think of anything more fun than hitting one button over and over on some blinking box in an old fast food restaurant. Oh wait, almost anything sounds like more fun than that. Every time it comes up here I only hear people complaining about them. Surely somebody on MC.com can enlighten us to the virtues of a casino every 30 yards on Haynes? I don't even know anyone that goes to them regularly, but obviously a lot of people do or there wouldn't be so many in business.
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Posted by Mike Zier (+135) 10 years ago
Levi,

It's kind of like Porn----when asked everybody says "it's terrible, horrible"

Yet.....it's a multi-Billion $$$$ business......Hmmmmmm....Somebody must buy it.

Casino's are no different...."Waste of Money" but somebody must be playing them...
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Posted by Bob L. (+5040) 10 years ago
Levi:

Can't help you. I like to gamble as much (OK, way more) than most people, but the VP and Keno machines in Montana do not tempt me at all.

Odds are horrible, max payout is $800. I'd rather play the pull tabs in NoDak!
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Posted by Kacey (+3162) 10 years ago
Levi,
I know I am going to ruffle some feathers by saying this but here goes.

A lot of people who gamble are people who gave up other addictions. You know them. They no longer drink. But they gamble. Or they no longer do drugs. But they gamble.

I personally know someone who was bragging to me about having been clean and sober for several years. He felt he had won over his addictions. But he still smoked, drank two pots of coffee a day and gambled away more than $600 a month.

People with addictions will always find something else to replace any they give up. And with casinos everywhere and readily available they have filled the need for those with addictive behaviors.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5040) 10 years ago
Kacey: I drink AND gamble.

But I don't drink very much coffee. So there.
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Posted by spacekace (+886) 10 years ago
...I used to work in a casino. At the casino I worked in, they did promotions, give-aways etc. I found that most people that came into the casino were less fortunate (didn't have great jobs, couldn't really afford to be gambling) or just cheap skates... Most would come in because you could get a Budweiser for $1, while you gambled. They would put $20 in a machine, and get $5 free (a casino promotion) bet 5 cents (and later when they got penny games... a penny), drink their $1 beers and hang out till lunch. When... we gave away free tacos. After the free tacos were devoured, they would drink more $1 beers until the happy hour was over, cash out their $24.75 and go home...only to be back the next day, doing the same thing. Now, if they only put in $20, got $5 free and drank only 4 beers... they were making 75 cents just sitting in the casino. As for the real cheap skates, they had it down to a science. They would shop at Albertsons, where we had coupons on the back of the receipts... (one lady even dug through the trash at the grocery store to get the coupons...I SAW her with my own two eyes!) These coupons would entitle them to $5 free machine play if they only put in $5 (they couldn't cash out for 30 minutes. These people come in during the free taco hour, eat lunch...put in $5 of their own money, I would put in $5 of the casino money...and watch them stall. They would bet only 5 cents...ask for water, ask for popcorn...and honestly, I've never seen a lady go to the bathroom so many times in 30 minutes! They would always cash out for $10 to $8.50... that's at least making $3.50....FREE MONEY! If you went to every casino in town, and did that all day, you could quit your job at Town Pump! So, maybe we should all try this new form of employment... it seems to work so well for the thrifty!
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Posted by Cindy Stalcup (+588) 10 years ago
I looked up video gambling machine tax receipts for Montana.
For fiscal year ending 2008-
$1,044,526 was collected in video gambling tax receipts from Miles City. There were 332 machines in 24 locations and MC had population of 8,120- that's 24.46 machines per person. Taxes are collected at 15% of gross receipts.
I believe the split of tax receipts returned is 1/3 to state general fund & 2/3 to local governments.
More than a billion dollars is wagered each year on video gambling machines in Montana.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6167) 10 years ago
There were 332 machines in 24 locations and MC had population of 8,120- that's 24.46 machines per person.

Uh, I think you mean .041 machines per person. You did the math backwards. I still think it's too many.
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Posted by Kacey (+3162) 10 years ago
[i]"There were 332 machines in 24 locations and MC had population of 8,120- that's 24.46 machines per person."[/]

332 machines....8,120 people...how does that make 24.46 machines per person?
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+13658) 10 years ago
Levi...if you own a computer and have the intelligence to submit a post that appears on milescity.com, that in itself means that you are too smart to play video keno and poker. So, it stands to reason that no one is going to defend these businesses on this site.

Kacey....someone must be shoving enough twenties in the machines to cover the costs of the cheapskates, or else they would go out of business.

The only other businesses I can see that parallels the growth of casinos are the pawn shops.
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Posted by Cindy Stalcup (+588) 10 years ago
Sorry, I typed that wrong it should read 24.46 persons/machine.
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Posted by Kacey (+3162) 10 years ago
I don't know. It's hot. I'm bored. Maybe I'll take that $5 match coupon and play! However, be forewarned. When I get down to my own five bucks I'm out of there!
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Posted by spacekace (+886) 10 years ago
My thoughts exactly kacey... It seems a lot of people on here think the only people that go into casinos are addicted to gambling drinking and or drugs... Ever Think people are just looking for AC and entertainment? They should sell off the casinos and build a pool... Entertainment! Excitement! And a way to cool off! There I just solved the problem.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2734) 10 years ago
Nice try, Spacekace - save for one small three big problems:
1) How does that benefit or compensate the people who own the casinos?
2) Where will the people who work in the casinos find employment? (assuming they don't want to teach swimming and need a year-round job)
3) Where will the former casino patrons, who my bet (npi) is prefer "sports" of a more sedentary variety, go for their entertainment?
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3715) 10 years ago
The cheapskate stories are some funny stuff. Some people sure have a lot of time on their hands.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2734) 10 years ago
Those 'cheapskates' are laughing, too -- all the way to the bank. My guess is they have more moolah stashed away in shoeboxes, coffee cans and mattresses than I'll ever see in my 401(k).
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Posted by spacekace (+886) 10 years ago
...Steve, do you actually think I was being serious about my problem solving? The casino employees could draw unemployment...and then have lot of time to enjoy entertainment at the new pool... That way, we'll have the funds to run the new pool. duh!
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3715) 10 years ago
I don't think hanging out in a casino all morning for $3.50 and a couple tacos is the path to riches. You could make twice that working an hour at Taco Johns and probably get the free tacos to boot.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4463) 10 years ago
spacekace, you can come to my house, hand me your money and I'll let you push a button as long as you want. Entertainment! Excitement!
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Posted by spacekace (+886) 10 years ago
Buck,

Only if I get free tacos... and $1 budweiser. And you do realize, you'll have to give the money back when I cash out. On second thought, I think I'll go swimming.

[This message has been edited by spacekace (7/22/2009)]
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Posted by GLM (+68) 10 years ago
Not to be a spoil sport (the sparing about casinos has been entertaining) but back to the actual subject.... is there any new news on Brewsters?? When are they moving?? Are they still going to have the winderful desserts to go with the coffee??
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Posted by Chad Richardson (+60) 10 years ago
Brewsters food is blah and everything is overpriced. Glad there not serving food anymore so we dont have to eat there when my boss is buying lunch!
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6016) 10 years ago
Are they still going to have the winderful desserts to go with the coffee??

I've found that winderful desserts give me gas.
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Posted by GLM (+68) 10 years ago
From what I have read that you have written ---everything gives you gas!
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6016) 10 years ago
The inability of some people to recognize a pun gives me gas.
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Posted by Kacey (+3162) 10 years ago
Chad,
Perhaps we could do a fundraise and buy you some tastebuds!
The food at Brewsters was wonderful!
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14076) 10 years ago
I ate at Brewsters a couple of weeks ago. I wasn't that impressed. Bland and expensive. Now the #4 at Gallagher's is a different story. Tried to eat at Cafe Utza but I can't wait until 9:00 am to eat breakfast.
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Posted by Chris (+73) 10 years ago
I was there, and had talked to alot of people about the place. they all said the same thing. Good food, good service, but to high priced. Just like KFC to high priced $36 bucks for a bucket dinner that i could get at Albertsons for $15.
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