It was brought up in another thread, but never answered. So please tell me why the republicans on this site continue to hate America? and talk trash about our President?

I think it is because they are addicted to OxyContin

how soon so the dems forget. Partisan politics will always be here. I am an independent and I vote for who I thing would do the country the best and truly believe we all should be that way

I'm not certain it's so much a matter of hating America as it is a matter of hating "Liberals" . . . at the moment it seems, hating them to the point of being unwilling to work with them to arrive at compromises and solutions that would benefit the common good.

Have we reached a point where the common good / commonwealth no longer exists in the minds of many? Or will we find common ground in time to preserve the Republic?

Have we reached a point where the common good / commonwealth no longer exists in the minds of many? Or will we find common ground in time to preserve the Republic?

Perhaps you ought to be asking that of your own party Hal. Republicans and Conservatives most certainly do not hate America, far from it. What we don't like is the socialistic utopian America that the liberals are charging us headlong into.

An America in which its people rely more on the government rather than their own merit, initiative and hard work is not an America I ever want to see come to fruition.

As a conservative, I sure don't "hate America". I love this country. This is the greatest place on earth. We have more opportunity than anywhere else. I reject the premise of the question.

I hate what is happening to our country. I hate the war on capitalism that is being waged. I hate that the achievers in society are being punished. I hate that so many people are buying into the Obama-hood concept of taking from the rich and giving to the poor, making both rich and poor dependent on the federal government. Government cannot and does not have the capacity or function of creating wealth. It is so sad and frustrating to see our economic system and way of life being trashed.

But we are in this mess primarily because of Republicans. They were in charge for the last eight years. Do you hate them?

Ricardo:

Three words:

Move
To
Russia

>> Perhaps you ought to be asking that of your own party Hal.

I do Kyle.

But more to the point, I also open my eyes to see what is going on - to see if reality matches rhetoric. What I hear coming from the Right (and this goes back at least to the Contract with America) is . . . We are the Party of:
Fiscal conservatism
Small government
Public and private sector accountability
& etc.

What I actually see unfold when the Right does hold power doesn't even come close to the rhetoric. The first six years of the Bush Administration is as fine example of that as we are likely to find. This was a time when the Right held power in the White House and on Capitol Hill and the Rights record on standing up for its avowed principles certainly shows just how hollow the its rhetoric truly is.

But of course now that the voters have signaled their dissatisfaction with this hollow rhetoric and the Right is (for the present) safely out of power, it once again claims to champion such principles as fiscal conservatism and small government. It's safer to talk the talk when you can't be expected to walk the walk, right?

But Kyle, by all means, keep yukking it up about Porkzilla & all those Limpaw slogans. . . you're getting the right message out by doing so.

So, we are still left with Mule's original question. . . .

The arch conservatives of America's political right - the ardent "capitalists" (in quotes because they are capitalists as long as the profits are good - but want to socialize the losses) in America see the country as a means to their own wealth accumulation. They don't love America, they love that by this country's exceptional infratstructure, laws that protect patents, outstanding criminal justice system (compared to the rest of the worlds), strong military that provides an amazingly safe environment to live in, and thousands of other reasons (many resonating from government, and many more resonating from the people); that from all of those things they are able to generate astounding wealth the likes of which the world has never seen. And when that wealth is challenged, suddenly they don't like what is "happening" to America. In reality, ours is a nation that has historically provided opprotunity, but which has also asked something of the people in return. Service in the military or government or in some other facet of public service. Taxes that supported the spending, instead of mortgaging the future, ala Pres. Bush. Now, they (the rich/capitalist/conservative) want the benefits that our society provides, but want none of the burden. And boy will they whine if anything is asked of them. Look at today's military, and see how many of the children of the richest 5%, who Obama is seeking to raise the taxes on, serve in the military. And just for fun, compare that to how many of the children of illegal immigrants serve. In the Marine Battalion I was in, there were a heck of a lot more from the latter, and none from the former.

The Republican party is the home of the modern day "Robber-Barons"

"So please tell me why the republicans on this site continue to hate America? and talk trash about our President?"

Why do you think republicans hate America? Is because they "talk trash about our President?" Do you read anything that is posted here? Have you ever seen the posts which contained the most hatful and vitriolic comments about the last President of the United States? Do you ignore them because you agree with the hatred or are you so blinded by your zealotry that your hypocrisy has become a virtue?

As I read posts that totally ignore the hate and loathing that spews from the left then accuses the Right of "hating America" I can only believe you are absolutely delusional.

I'll answer your question.

President Bush spent over 6 years of his Presidency at war with Islamic fascists on their turf after they attacked US, and the Left hated him for it. President Obama has made it abundantly clear in the first month of his Presidency that his war is against free market capitalism, America and the Constitution. If that's your war, then your damn right we will fight you. If you think that qualifies as "hating America" then you are nuts.

Like a catfish taking stinkbait.

Like a wingnut grabbing his tinfoil hat.

Speaking of haters, right on queue, the boobsie twins.

Has anything remotely intelligent ever been constructed in that vacuum between your ears?

Like Rush and an underage Dominican prostitute.

Tighten that strap, Jim. Some of the rays are still penetrating.

Like Rush and an underage MALE Dominican prostitute.


There, fixed your post.

Tinfoil negates the effects of the chemtrails, Jimbo. Really, it does!

Perhaps you ought to be asking that of your own party Hal. Republicans and Conservatives most certainly do not hate America, far from it. What we don't like is the socialistic utopian America that the liberals are charging us headlong into.

An America in which its people rely more on the government rather than their own merit, initiative and hard work is not an America I ever want to see come to fruition.

Ladies and gentleman, I present to you ... for perhaps the very first (and maybe the last) time ...

A complete post by Kyle that DOES NOT include the words "Porkulus" or "Mariners."

Mother of Mitra!

Speaking of haters, right on queue, the boobsie twins.

Has anything remotely intelligent ever been constructed in that vacuum between your ears?

Alas, my all-too temporary euphoria has been rudely brought back down to earth by the bile fountain that is Jimbo. Drag.

I am fully aware that once Rick reads the following, he'll immediately go into a diatribe about how Al Franken is a second-rate comedian and blah-blah-blah.

All that aside, Franken's quote hits the nail on the head:

"[Conservatives] just don't get it. We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America the way a 4-year-old loves her mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad, and helping your loved one grow."

"But we are in this mess primarily because of Republicans. They were in charge for the last eight years. Do you hate them?"

I am the ONLY conservative in this forum who has for the last eight years complained about Bush and his domestic spending. I have stated repeatedly that Bush was NOT conservative. The continual debate here over "who dun it". is stupid. We need to fix it. My issue is that the solutions proposed by the CURRENT administration are making and will continue to make the problem worse.

(For Brian's benefit, Source: Richard Bonine, Jr. 5-Mar-09 6:51 Wyoming Standard Time )

To answer my own question....the reason why republicans hate America is because they aren't really republicans at all. They are NOT the party of Lincoln. They are in fact confederates in disguise.

THE INVERSION OF THE DEMOCRACTIC CREED was the answer I was looking for. Study your history. Study the era of Reconstruction, and you'll find out why republicans truely hate America...because they miss their slaves.

Bush was NOT conservative.

As has been explained to you several times before, Richard, Bush was not a fiscal conservative. But he was a social conservative. By all but one definition, he was a conservative.

Quit trying to call him a liberal. As slandered as the definition of liberal has been in recent years, there is no greater insult to the word than to call Bush one. He's all yours and you can have him.

That is the most tortured explanation I have hear in quite a while. NIce try, but that pig won't fly.

Mule Train: The civil rights act of 1964 was passed by republicans. That fact seems to fly in the face of your theory.

Vote totals
Totals are in "Yea-Nay" format:
The original House version: 290-130 (69%-31%)
The Senate version: 73-27 (73%-27%)
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%-30%)

By party
The original House version:[9]
Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
The Senate version:[9]
Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

By party and region
Note : "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ct_of_1964

That is the most tortured explanation I have hear in quite a while. NIce try, but that pig won't fly.

The definition isn't at all tortured, Richard (and it's certainly nowhere near as tortured as your insistence that Bush is a liberal/is not a conservative).

Speaking of torture, your unwillingness to see things from more than one angle has to be painful (it certainly is for me). Of course, if you didn't limit yourself to one perspective, you wouldn't really be a conservative, would you?

Your first problem is that you expect that pigs can fly in the first place.

Your second problem is that you believe the definition of liberal is "one who spends money" and a conservative is one who "does not spend money."

You limit yourself by your definitions. If you feel that my "pig won't fly," you certainly don't have to take my word for it. Do some research - look up the definitions.

Here are some links that might set you forth on the path to enlightenment:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/liberal
http://www.merriam-webste...ry/liberal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

http://www.thefreediction...nservative
http://www.merriam-webste...nservative
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...nservatism

No it doesn't Richard - most of those Southern Democratic votes were from the Dixiecrat wing of the Democratic party - which has since realigned with the Republican party via Nixon's "Southern Strategy".

The "Rockefeller Republicans" from the Northeast who helped pass this bill are a thing of the past, having been since purged from the party. Name me five "moderate" republicans in the Senate - and Joe Lieberman doesn't count for the purposes of this discussion.

And it dovetails neatly with mule train's contention that the current Republican party is essentially the South rising again.

I wonder how Ricardo would have voted on the Civil Rights Act of 1964 if he had been in Congress at the time.

I think I know!

Jim would have voted for the Act.......as long as Cheyenne and Blackfeet women were excluded. One wrong move and they'll open you from crotch to gullet. Right, Jim.

Jim would have voted for the Act.......as long as Cheyenne and Blackfeet women were excluded. One wrong move and they'll open you from crotch to gullet. Right, Jim.

'Spill your guts' is what
Jim says some women think when
Crotch to gullet splits

"I wonder how Ricardo would have voted on the Civil Rights Act of 1964 if he had been in Congress at the time."

I think your wrong.

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)

Ralph Yarborough was a true central Texas hero who deserves to be remembered and admired by free-thinking, freedom-loving people everywhere. John Henry Faulk and J. Frank Dobie were two others. Look 'em up sometime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...enry_Faulk

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...rank_Dobie

Neither of those write ups do them justice - but they're good places to start.

One of John Henry's stories about finding a black snake in the henhouse ended with the moral that "sometimes you get so scared you can hurt yourself."

Seems a lesson we would do well to keep in mind today.

I guess Richard abstains

Regarding Richard -

He only answers
That which has already been
Answered by others

You are right on about Ralph Yarborough...I fondly remember meeting him in the late 1970s. He represented a lot of what was right about Texas at that time. As did a few others (Sissy Farenthold).

The Democrats now in the State of Texas are for the most part partisans who do not care about the citizens here. They (as well as most Republicans) are only interested in ensuring their reelection.

We have serious issues in public education, health care, and prison systems in this state because of the lack of any backbone on dealing with illegal immigration. Crime and violence on our border with Mexico has prompted nearly all universities and colleges in our state to tell students not to go to Mexico for spring break (many started this week and some next and following weeks).

An annual trip in May of about 30 of us to Cancun has been cancelled because of our concerns -- and most of the 30 are Houston Police Department officers. I think that says something about what is happening along the border. Neither our state nor our federal officials seem to care about what is happening.

I am beginning to think our politicians across the board do not care.

Study the era of Reconstruction, and you'll find out why republicans truely hate America...because they miss their slaves.

Just a question, but since Democrats by and large opposed the civil war in the first place, aren't you kind of turning logic on its head?

Seems kinda silly to have one side blaming the other for not freeing the slaves 'good enough' even as they opposed the entire venture in the first place.

If you want to pick that nit, Rick, let's go back even further. The Conservatives of the the late 18th Century were known by another name: Loyalists.

Why did your ideological forerunners hate America so much that they didn't even want a country of their own in the first place, Rick?

I believe it is partly because the spokesman for the Republican party who is also the current leader of the party keeps saying he wants Obama to fail. I have a relative who was so devastated that McCain did not win that he is actually saying he hopes America "goes down" so that all will see "what fools the Democrats are". He is most upset about the recession, but he fails to understand that BOTH post war depressions began with a Republican in office.

Just curious, Brian, you hint that generalizations made about Democrats based on the Civil War were no longer valid... but those same types of generalizations made about Republicans during Reconstruction (right after the Civil War) are ok?

I think it's all pretty stupid. It's almost like a politicized version of Original Sin. The only thing that matters in a political sense is the here and now. Representing the South today doesn't make you responsible for the South as it was 50 years ago. Just like being part of a party that opposed civil rights 50 years ago doesn't mean you oppose them now.

Donna, the business cycle isn't caused by Democrats and/or Republicans. The only thing they usually accomplish is exaggerating the highs and lows. But whichever 2 post-war 'depressions' we're talking about, let me know and we can get into flinging some partisan mud.

Just curious, Brian, you hint that generalizations made about Democrats based on the Civil War were no longer valid... but those same types of generalizations made about Republicans during Reconstruction (right after the Civil War) are ok?

I hinted at no such thing, nor would I ever. I don't feel there's much direct translation at all from the poltical parties of the 18th and 19th Centuries to today. The ideologies have shifted too many times for such comparisons to be made.

Honestly, I think that it's easy to fall into a trap when one - anyone, from either party - tries to take all credit for history's successes while absolving one's party of all blame for history's failures.

My comment about the Revolution was just statment about the old reductio ad absurdum toward which this thread was heading.

Not sure which part you're saying you didn't hint at.

I didn't say anything about Democrats or Republicans in regard to either the Civil War or the Reconstruction.

You brought up the point about Democrats and the Civil War, and I made a tongue-in-cheek comment in response.

I wasn't hinting at anything other than what I already stated in my previous post.

We used to have some interesting discussions here.

We did indeed, Hal. And as I pointed out in another thread, I miss Rick Kuchynka.

His brand of conservatism was at least well thought out, and well presented.

Yes. On the whole we, as group, were much better then than we are now. I suppose we are merely mirroring society as a whole. Though I do think the fact there were fewer anonymous posters then made a difference.

[Edited by Hal Neumann (1/15/2016 8:03:36 AM)]

Now, every political thread becomes this sort of poop-show: http://milescity.com/foru...iew/253491

>>Now, every political thread becomes. . . .

Perhaps. But it seems to me that far too many threads become political, no matter the original topic.

There's nothing wrong, and much right, with relaxing once in awhile and just enjoying a good conversation.

Yeah, I thought about that as soon as I posted it -