The Octuplets! (Suleman Family)
Posted by hallick (+121) 12 years ago
ok..... Just wondering how you feel.
as a parent that went threw trying to have children, and not able to after all said and done. I am a little upset about how and why this could or would happen. Some one being so able to have children why 14, and how and why with no income? I am wondering how a small town would deal with this.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/U...cnnSTCText
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
She should be publicly stoned, but she's getting exactly what she wanted - all sorts of press and publicity, she'll get endorsements - it's all a bunch of crap.
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1893) 12 years ago
I hope the Doc that treated her loses his license (if he was indeed licensed).
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 12 years ago
She is mentally disturbed and needs help. Her doctor, the unethical creep, should be strung up, stoned, drawn and quartered and forced to pay all her bills himself.
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Posted by Don Muir (+21) 12 years ago
I did not know your were a DR.
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1893) 12 years ago
Doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
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Posted by ABC (+381) 12 years ago
Awe, come on now. If God didn't want her to have these children, then He would have aborted them! It is nothing short of a miracle.


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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1893) 12 years ago
Who's the brains in this operation, Don, the practitioner or the patient? Do you think it is OK for someone with six kids already to undergo fertility treatment, even if she's single and out of work? Do you also think its alright for a practitioner to oblige her? The woman is sick and the doctor is an idiot.
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 12 years ago
Bob,

You think that's sick try this on for size:

http://www.duggarfamily.com/

I like how the title of their book is called "20 & Counting".

I don't know if this image is appropriate or not so I'll just link to it. Be warned though it's kind of crude but funny.

Clown Car
http://images.wikia.com/w...Vagina.jpg

[This message has been edited by Kyle L. Varnell (edited 2/19/2009).]
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1893) 12 years ago
I've seen the Duggars. Sick. Yes. But at least they space'em out by nine months or so. Now, if Mrs. Duggar has surgery to make her look like Angelina Jolie...........
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
I can't decide which of the broodmares makes me more sick, Ms. Jolie Suleman or Mrs. Duggar. They're both disgusting.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
Aahaha, nice one Kyle

Did she have surgery to look like Angelina Jolie?

[This message has been edited by Buck Showalter (edited 2/19/2009).]
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Posted by Gail Finch Shipek (+94) 12 years ago
What makes us upset about these babies? Is it that there were 8 born at the same time? That there are now 14 children in one family? That the mother is single? There have been octuplets born before. There are families with more than 14 children. There are many single mothers.
I am not sure how I feel. But I do not think I have a right to say that someone must abort their babies if they are carrying more than say triplets. I do not think I have the right to tell someone they can have 2,3,4 or how many ever children. And I think everyone is now accustomed to single women having children.
So why are we upset?
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
Because she had 8 test tube babies and she already has 6
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
Gail - it has nothing to do with the fact that she had octuplets. It has everything to do with the fact that she felt compelled to have fertility treatments after already having six children that she could not provide for.

I have nothing against any of her 14 children. I hope they don't suffer because of her lack of a conscience.

As for the Duggars ... they just disgust me.
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Posted by Kathie Zoller (+29) 12 years ago
At least the Duggars provide for themselves. It is not healthy to me to pop one out every nine months or so but that is the road they have taken as a married couple and their way of life. Now this other is a whole matter altogether. She already had 7 that have health problems and that doctor gave her more. What the hell is wrong with this picture. I hope the state takes them all and she has none of them. That is the last thing I heard on court tv. The state was trying to see if they had legal grounds to do it or not. My, my the wicked webs we weave!
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 12 years ago
Adding even more fuel to the fire:

Octuplets' Mother Reportedly in Market for Million-Dollar Home
http://www.foxnews.com/st...04,00.html

So her other home's in foreclosure after being behind on nearly $30,000 yet she's in the market for a nearly $1.3 million dollar home.

Maybe she's financing it with some of her purported book-deal money.

Octuplets' Mom Wants $2 Million From Oprah, Media Deals
http://www.foxnews.com/st...45,00.html

That's some big-time chutzpah. Demanding $2 million dollars from Oprah & media deals all while looking at million-dollar homes while another one's in foreclosure due to back payments and costing California taxpayers over a million dollars for her uterus sweatshop.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
Yes, the Duggars provide for themselves ... but how well do they really know their children? How well could they? Personally, I'd rather actually know what's going on in my children's lives. The "buddy system" doesn't quite cut it for me.

Plus the whole "God wants us to (over)populate the Earth" thing is troubling. Twenty more zombies ... I just find it irresponsible. And "Jim-Bob" ... really? Jim-Bob?

They have the right to have as many kids as they want, just as I have the right to be disgusted by them.
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Posted by wilmajean (+39) 12 years ago
Not that it matters, but did she have fertility treatments(drugs) or did she take her eggs and fetilize them from the same sperm donor then implant them. I heard she had 6 left got the doctor to put them all in at once, since the odds are that not all would take. They did and one split and she had 8. She then felt she couldn't abort any. I think the Doctor is the most to blame this woman so seems to need help and he failed her by going along with the implant. It is a sad sad thing, and will play out in the media. So we can all stay tuned.
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Posted by GW (+440) 12 years ago
Lets get real. The Duggers, are married, pay for thier children, and everything they have is paid for. They are licensed real estate agents and do very well. Been very blessed not to have extreme health issues with their children and remember they do it one child at a time, no extra help. No, I don't believe in having 17 children, but if that is their will and they can afford it without my governmental tax money, who am I to judge. The octo lady, well I choose to quit at 2 kids, which I was married and provided for, both working to make sure ours kids had what they needed. Mad, you bet you, my son who wants NO kids, will have to help raise hers for the next 18 years thru his taxes, higher medical, etc...... So much for me having grandkids.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9195) 12 years ago
Something about the Duggars gives me the creeps as well. I don't buy the "it's their choice so we shouldn't judge" bit as well - a large portion of their income comes from pimping their "lifestyle" via reality tv, and once you seek the spotlight in that manner, I think it opens you up to judgement.

As my father said regarding one of my relatives who had 9 kids: maybe she should have looked into installing a zipper. Of course, once you realize that a zipper would have come in handy, it's probably not so much of an issue any more.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
She's totally subservient to Jim-Bob. A (well-used) uterus she has, a will of her own, not so much.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 12 years ago
"Yes, the Duggars provide for themselves ... but how well do they really know their children? How well could they? Personally, I'd rather actually know what's going on in my children's lives. The "buddy system" doesn't quite cut it for me.

Plus the whole "God wants us to (over)populate the Earth" thing is troubling. Twenty more zombies ... I just find it irresponsible. And "Jim-Bob" ... really? Jim-Bob?

They have the right to have as many kids as they want, just as I have the right to be disgusted by them."

As the oldest of 13 , I am glad to know that you feel this way. At least we don't have to worry about your spoiled brat mentality being reproduced. I am confident that the Dugger family know each of their children quite well. The "buddy system" teaches responsibility at an early age, something that many (some older than I am) who post here have yet to learn.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
I'm a big believer in knowing one's own limits and abilities when it comes to family size. If a couple decides, as the Duggars did, that whatever God gives them is okay, then as long as they have the physical, financial, and psychological resources to raise those children in a healthy, loving manner, I say more power to them. If a couple decides that children are not for them, I say more power to them as well. Know thyself is a good adage to live by.

But if someone, who is single, living on welfare, and already has 6 children that she can't support decides to have 8 more all at once, then I worry about her motives. It isn't that any one of those factors is an issue; it's all of them together that makes one wonder about her sanity. And from what I've read about the case, the doctor violated several standards of care that apply to the fertility industry. Most doctors won't implant more than 2 or 3 eggs at a time. Most doctors require some minimal psychological evaluation of the prospective parents. Apparently this woman had at least 6 eggs implanted and may have been taking fertility drugs as well. To me this was a pure publicity move. This woman was not interested in having another child to love. She was interested in what the pregnancy could bring to her in terms of notoriety and money. That makes me very worried for her children and I hope that Social Services keeps a close eye on her.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
As the oldest of 13 , I am glad to know that you feel this way. At least we don't have to worry about your spoiled brat mentality being reproduced. I am confident that the Dugger family know each of their children quite well. The "buddy system" teaches responsibility at an early age, something that many (some older than I am) who post here have yet to learn.

My "spoiled brat mentality?" Please expound, Richard.

Personally, I don't believe that I own - or that I'm entitled to own - anywhere near as much of the world as a family of 20 (or 13) children would have to. There are 6.7 billion people in the world. Care to do the math should everyone share your belief that having children in litter-sized increments is "God's best plan?"

In a world where your God feels that it's perfectly acceptable for 10,000 or so children to starve to death each day at the current population, this attitude is reckless and arrogant in the extreme.

As for the Duggars ... I am confident that Jim-Bob and Empress Elasto-Uterus actually know each of their children approximately one-twentieth (soon to be one-tenth due to the impending arrival of my second son, so kudos to the Duggars, I guess ) as well as I know my own.

Nothing screams "quality time" like having only 5-to-10 percent of the attention (at best!) from your parents as an only child or a child with a single sibling would get.

And for responsibility? How is shirking their own duties as parents by placing the burden of raising their younger children on the shoulders of their other children an example of teaching responsibility in a positive sense? It's not - it's a thinly-veiled cop-out. Besides, stating that "everything that has happened is God's plan for us" is the very antithesis of responsibility.

I laugh at their notion that God wanted the Duggars' eldest spawn to remain so pure for his wedding that he and his equally vapid betrothed weren't allowed to even kiss each other prior to their nuptuals. For some reason, I wouldn't have thought they believed in gambling ...

[This message has been edited by Brian A. Reed (edited 2/21/2009).]
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Posted by ABE (+421) 12 years ago
We could stop paying people to have kids. Stop payment of wellfare if the applicant gets knocked up while under the wing of the government.

Hell, I know families that are going on 5th and 6th generation of not working and living off the government. It's not much of a life, but I wish I could get $3,500 a month for doing nothing. Oh and thats just the parents cut, each child got so much a month also. I saw...I Actually SAW.. the check once
and it was for....ready for it.....$15,000. I AM NOT KIDDING, SWEAR TO GOD.

The sick thing was that it was all gone in less than three weeks, casino, beer and a vehicle that they had to sell the next week for beer money. Next month, same story.

I mean, back in the day it was up to you, your spouse, and your families to provide. Now we are far into the era of "lets have more kids to get our check". If I can have enough of them fast enough, we can get a tv show, and have corporate backing.

But, those Duggars look like a cult to me. What the #@%&, a harp? Reeeealy? Your kid wants to take harp lessons, no freakin way.

Christ all mighty, they make Ned Flanders family look like the Osbournes.
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1893) 12 years ago
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
:shootswateroutofnose:

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Posted by K.Duffy (+1807) 12 years ago
I'd like to see her join one of the bigamist cults. She'd have the other wives to help with her kids, and MAYBE be off the financial aid books. (Or are they also usually on welfare )
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Posted by M G (+194) 12 years ago
*New Breakfast Meal at Denny's*

In honor of the mother of the octuplets, Denny's is offering a new breakfast meal:
You get fourteen eggs, no sausage, and the guy next to you has to pay the bill.




I know.... I'm sorry...
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1893) 12 years ago
With all due respect to Richard.....the person in question had octuplets.......on purpose! You came from a very large family but you and your siblings didn't arrive in a litter. It's one thing to have one child at a time over a period of many years. It's quite another to have eight at once when you already have six.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
I'm willing to bet this woman does not have a fertility issue in the first place and that the doctor didn't implant six embryos, but ten or twelve.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
K. Duffy,

Here behind the Zion curtain where polygamists, while not common, are often in the news, it is well known that many sister-wives resort to welfare by claiming that they are single moms.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 12 years ago
"With all due respect to Richard.....the person in question had octuplets.......on purpose! You came from a very large family but you and your siblings didn't arrive in a litter. It's one thing to have one child at a time over a period of many years. It's quite another to have eight at once when you already have six."


My understanding of this story, is that the doctor had a very poor success record with his "fertility treatment" but got "lucky" with this person. Not sure I think that a single mother with six kids should get this kind of procedure.
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Posted by Gail Finch Shipek (+94) 12 years ago
I want to know how she paid for the fertility treatment. If she paid by public program money, shame on the goverment. If she paid with her own money, my opinion is irrelevant.
As for having octuplets, I hold the doctor responsible. He has control of the number of fertilizd eggs to use. Holding her responsible after it was determined there were eight fetuses, means I want to tell her she must selectively abort. This is not pro-choice.
A side note: I asked my 16 year old if she would like to be one of 14 children. She immediately responded, "Yes, then I would always have someone to do things with."
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