Some MilesCitians are horrible drivers...
Posted by Josh Rath (+2305) 12 years ago
Exactly what the title says. Seriously, you know who you are. You don't use your blinkers, you ride someone's bumper, you pull out infront of someone, or don't follow the right of way.

This is ridiculous. Just today, on the way to work this morning @ 8:30 am, I am sitting at the underpass stop. Along side me is another person pulling up, and I normally wait for them to stop, just so i don't get hit. Once they stopped, I started pulling out, look over, and this person has pulled out and slammed on their brakes to miss me. I pull away, continuing to travel under the pass, and look in the rearview mirror, to see this person on my back bumper (Not literally). I actually hesitated stopping at a red light, because this 16 year old is trying to keep his back end of his car intact. I decided to turn, and they didn't follow.

That was one, of the many cases this past week. Not all had rude individuals, most were people just not using their blinker, so you had no idea which way they were going.

PLEASE, PLEASE Miles city! USE YOUR BLINKERS!!!!
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Posted by BeerNut (+68) 12 years ago
So who had the right of way?
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Posted by jkuhl (+81) 12 years ago
Take that times 1000 here in billings!
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
Gee, Josh. Sound as though you live in Utah.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
What's really fun is driving behind a driver with '14' plates in Billings. That's the worst of the worst.

People in Billings may tend to drive more aggressively than their Miles City counterparts, but I don't see this as a bad thing. I'll take an aggressive driver who goes with the flow of traffic over a timid driver who's paralyzed by having more than 4 cars on the road at any one time.

My biggest frustrations with Miles City drivers are those who drive 5-10 MPH slower than the speed limit and those who stop to have conversations side-by-side in the middle of a city street.

People who drive so much slower than the speed limit give the impression that they believe their time is more important than anyone else's, particularly those unfortunate enough to be driving behind them.
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1893) 12 years ago
Yes! It's the semi-annual bitch about other people driving thread!
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 12 years ago
Well Bob, the annual "uppity-negro" bitchfest wasn't as satisfying this year, so we've got to got with plan "B".

Now then - my daughter had her first driving lesson today. It's an interesting contrast: I got to drive up and down Haynes Ave. with Mr. Jens - she's learning to negotiate traffic in downtown Boise.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
You mean you got to drive Mr. Jens from one coffee stop to the next.
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Posted by TALBOT (+251) 12 years ago
I think that people that don't use their blinkers assume that we know where they're going!!!!
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Posted by K. D. (+362) 12 years ago
The other day, a lady in a blue van pulls up to the four way stop at Sacred Heart. She has her left blinker on, and turns right.

I think my two biggest driving pet peeves are: 1. The people who don't yeild to the right of way, or don't stop all together at a stop sign, and 2. doing 15 mph down Haynes.
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Posted by M G (+193) 12 years ago
For the love of crap.. There is no right hand turn lane on main street..!..
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 12 years ago
"Now then - my daughter had her first driving lesson today."

Good Lord Bridger...I forgot how young you started a family. Time flies.
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Posted by Tootz (+69) 12 years ago
I loved driving in Miles, the not hurrying to get here or there. People stopping for pedestrians. Having someone actually stop so you could pull out into trafic. No hurry no worry.
Now if you would actually like to see some bad drivers come up to Helena. The peeps here don't even know that two cars (one coming one direction and turning and vice versa, CAN actually turn at the same time. What a concept. Rare use of blinkers getting run over in the cross walk. That sort of deal. You all should be happy about the slower pace of the wonderful little town you live in.
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1893) 12 years ago
If you're looking for a thrill more scary than a Six Flags(or however many flags it is) roller coaster, have your octogenarian parent give you a ride somewhere. A short drive up Stower can supply more excitement than a trip to the moon. Or at least as much anxiety.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 12 years ago
Bridgier, do they let 'em drive at 12 years old down there in Idaho, or is that just the cutoff for getting married?
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 12 years ago
I'm gonna meander the thread a bit and complain instead about 24/7/365 school zones.

What's up with that?
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Posted by Donna Kingsley Coffeen (+398) 12 years ago
Our school zone laws apply only from 7:30 am to 4:30 pm and you cannot be ticketed outside of those hours.
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1893) 12 years ago
Even on weekends?
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Posted by Ted Schmidt (+61) 12 years ago
It is my opinion that Miles City has some of the most stupid speed zones, four way stops and other ancient laws that waste money for signs and make law breakers out of too many drivers. Ted Schmidt
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Posted by Richard G Flor (+211) 12 years ago
Donna Kingsley wrote:

Our school zone laws apply only from 7:30 am to 4:30 pm and you cannot be ticketed outside of those hours.

I have trouble believing that as i know folks who have been ticketed after those hours. I think a small sign below each and every 15 mph zone would be appropriate and until i hear from law enforcement i'm going to go 15 mph even if it's midnight on a sunday night. Anyone out there that could confirm these hours?
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Posted by V (+168) 12 years ago
Ok I would like to add something here. I used to drive a semi..yes, I know we are all bad drivers. Some of us aren't just like the Miles people. It is nice to be in a town so small that it really doesn't matter. Check out the generations who do most of the driving. It is either too old to drive or just starting to drive. There will never be a happy medium. You just have to deal with it unfortunately.
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Posted by jkuhl (+81) 12 years ago
On the other end of the school zone spectrum--I drive by a school every day where the speed limit is 35. 35! And that's only when school is starting and at the end of their school day. Otherwise it's 40. And there's a big park right next to it.
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Posted by MR (+392) 12 years ago
Two things that I see all the time...people driving with dogs on their lap and the window down, blocking their view ! And cars with so much stuff piled in the back seat that the back window is completely covered !!
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Posted by Frank Hardy (+1606) 12 years ago
The elephant in the room??

We all know who taught their chimp to drive, right? That monkey has the worst road manners I've ever seen! Don't even get me started on the littered banana peels.

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Posted by Carol (+143) 12 years ago
Please stop using Yellowstone Ave as the super Hi-way or drag strip. There have been people who come down Yellowstone Ave they must be doing well over 40mph. Sure the street is a nice and wide, it's not your local drag strip. Please slow down!!!! There is children in the area who play outside. Thank you.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 12 years ago
My biggest frustrations with Miles City drivers are those who drive 5-10 MPH slower than the speed limit and those who stop to have conversations side-by-side in the middle of a city street.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! That is SO Miles City!
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Posted by Schmitz - Matt (+402) 12 years ago
I grew up in Miles City, and learned to drive there. You can ask anybody, in any city in the country, and they will claim they have the worst drivers on the planet. I can state without a shadow of doubt, that Bozeman drivers are way worse than Miles City folk. It all depends on what you see everyday people. Having ridden thru lots of big cities on my bike, I can tell you that I have never been more nervous than I was riding thru Orlando Florida. It seemed as if everybody on the road was over 80 years old, and all driving faster than their age. I found the city streets of Las Vegas to be quite tame, but the highways around town were terrifying. And for traffic numbers, and just an overwhelming sense of sheer size, riding thru Atlanta was pretty tense also. Overall, I am stunned everyday that we don't kill tens of thousands of people everyday in this country to traffic accidents. Think about it. We all think everybody else sucks at driving. How is it possible we have a chance of making it to tomorrow if we all suck that bad?
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 12 years ago
Seriously, the worst drivers are in orange-barrel land in New Mexico. Gallup, NM to be specific. Gallup is a town of about 15k with streets designed for a population of 8k whose population swells to 40-50k on payday weekends.

No way are MC drivers the "worst".
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Posted by David Schott (+17052) 12 years ago
Richard G Flor wrote:

Donna Kingsley wrote:

Our school zone laws apply only from 7:30 am to 4:30 pm and you cannot be ticketed outside of those hours.

I have trouble believing that as i know folks who have been ticketed after those hours.


Richard, I believe Donna lives in the Walla Walla, WA, area so I suspect she's referring to school zone speed laws in Walla Walla.

- Dave
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Posted by jessiker (+291) 12 years ago
I don't know - I can't really complain about the drivers here in Glendive. 99% of them are really, genuinely courteous and cautious drivers.

I remember drivers ed with Mr. Jens though - and riding in the back seat of the car while someone "learned" to drive down the interstate back to the Baker exchange! That was one of the most traumatic times in my life, I think....

Personally, I liked Atlanta driving, too. I think the worst drivers anywhere would have to be Augusta, Georgia. Especially during the Masters.
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Posted by JAGB (+110) 12 years ago
I would like to remind those folks who drive to and from South Gate when you pull out in front of someone coming into town (from the south) their speed limit is 55mph and does not change until the motel!!! do remember that when you lose your tailend!!!!
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2305) 12 years ago
I have to say, this thread really took off. I'll say this. Yes, the *24/7/365* school zones are completely stupid. They should be enforced an hour before school, and end an hour after.

Beernut asked "So who had the right of way", I did. Unless them being on the left of you means they have the right of way, but i always thought right was right, and left was left.

Wendy Wilson said: "Gee, Josh. Sound as though you live in Utah." Some days it seems like it. I will say that the teenage drivers (I'll admit, I have been not the perfect teen driver) in Miles City that HAVE taken Driver's ED, drive WORSE than the ones (like me) who waited till 16 for their permit. Honestly I do not see what they are teaching, and for that price the drivers should be professionals.

Brian A. Reed said: "My biggest frustrations with Miles City drivers are those who drive 5-10 MPH slower than the speed limit and those who stop to have conversations side-by-side in the middle of a city street.
" That bugs me also, but I don't just go around. I sit right there, constantly honking the horn. I don't stop till they move. Longest someone has sat there, about a minute. Also, the slower than the speed limit thing, that is another irritation.

Bob Netherton said: "Yes! It's the semi-annual bitch about other people driving thread!" Well Bob, It wasn't planned on being one until you decided to start your fingers a-blazin.

TALBOT said: "I think that people that don't use their blinkers assume that we know where they're going!!!!" I totally understand. I use my blinkers even when you HAVE to turn a certain way. That way, the people behind me, don't decide to rear end me. When they don't use the blinker, and then start turning, then come back in line, that pissed me off the most.

K.D. said: "The other day, a lady in a blue van pulls up to the four way stop at Sacred Heart. She has her left blinker on, and turns right. I think my two biggest driving pet peeves are: 1. The people who don't yeild to the right of way, or don't stop all together at a stop sign, and 2. doing 15 mph down Haynes." Stop sign one I forgot about, Thanks for the reminder. ALso, the 15 down haynes... Why even take it? HONK THE HORN SO OBNOXIOUSLY THEY GET GOING! That is what I have done.

MR said: "Two things that I see all the time...people driving with dogs on their lap and the window down, blocking their view ! And cars with so much stuff piled in the back seat that the back window is completely covered !!" There ya go. But, hey. Do YOU want to see their face if they have that much stuff in their car? They probably live in the thing and never shower.

JAGB said: "I would like to remind those folks who drive to and from South Gate when you pull out in front of someone coming into town (from the south) their speed limit is 55mph and does not change until the motel!!! do remember that when you lose your tailend!!!!" Now if someone is that dumb, they deserve to have it removed.

Well, there you go. My update to the thread. One thing. Too ALL who park in front of the place of business where I work on main, and take up the parking space just to go across the street to play poker, I do ever so hate you.

Thanks for listening!,

Josh Rath
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Posted by MollieP (+136) 12 years ago
Ok, here's my two cents....we lived on Lake Street across from the high school and NO ONE drives 15 even though as Rick stated it is 24/7/365...What's up with THAT?
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Posted by BeerNut (+68) 12 years ago
Can you understand how it might confuse another driver that is approaching an intersection and stops, and sees a car at a stop sign to his right just sitting there? And then He figures, well I don't know what the hell he's doing, so I'lll just go. And then the person with the right of way decides to pull out and the other driver has stop. Point being that I wouldnt wait all day for you to decide when you wanted to go either. I guess your "waiting at the stop sign to make sure it was safe" idea didnt work so good if you almost got hit anyhow.
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2305) 12 years ago
Well, I'll clarify. I am stopping at the sign, coming out, but don't go far because he doesn't look to be stopping. But instead, he does, so i pull out. Then mid way through he pulled out. Clearer?
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Posted by BeerNut (+68) 12 years ago
Ok, got it now. You were pulling out from the stop sign slowly, but not far enough into the intersection so that you could stop safely if the other guys decided not to stop and blow through the intersection. An since he did stop you were safe enough to continue moving without having to stop after all. But even though you were already in the intersection, he had time to stop and still start again and almost hit you. He must have been really in a hurry or you were really slow.

Not that this applies in this situation, but in the future you might remeber that often times the gas pedal will get you out of troubles that the brakes wont help you with at all.

But since you already have it all figured out, since you waited until you were sixteen and didn't have to gain any knowledge from drivers ed instructors that have been doing thier jobs longer that you have been alive, you likley already knew that. Or Since you have been on the road so long, and seen it all, you should probably be the one teaching others to drive.

Oh, and the parking spots on main are public spots. Please do explain whay you think that the casinos customers shouldn't be able to park in front of your workplace?

Just Saying...........

[This message has been edited by BeerNut (edited 2/2/2009).]
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1893) 12 years ago
You realize, Josh, you said my fingers were "a-blazin" during your ten paragraph reply. Now if it'll make you happy: Josh. You are truly the most perfect driver on the face of planet earth...in the universe, even. You make "Sully" the pilot look like a drunk driver.

You're welcome.
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Posted by Matt Smith (+794) 12 years ago
Josh,

Perhaps your fear of being in an accident can be overcome by entering in the demolition derby at the fair.

See you there.
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Posted by J. Dyba (+1350) 12 years ago
Go take a taxi in Singapore then come talk about bad drivers.

5 years of my life gone in 15 minutes and I'm the kind of guy that will try most anything at least once.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 12 years ago
My first taxi driver in Singapore kept falling asleep. While we drove down the highway at 1:00AM. It was awesome.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
One of the major traffic problems here in Billings are the bicyclists who don't believe that any traffic laws pertain to them. I can't tell you how many times I've had to slam on the brakes to prevent myself from splashing some dolt cyclist across my windshield after he or she has breezed through a stop sign.

For those of you familiar with Billings, the Virginia Lane/5 St W corridor (runs north-south from Rimrock to Central) is particularly bad. Grr.

I'm sure cyclists everywhere share the "The law doesn't apply to me" syndrome but I haven't seen it as acutely as here.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
I once was in a hotel van being driven from the Amsterdam airport to my hotel. The driver, while on a packed freeway, was speaking into a cell phone. Another phone rang and he pulled out a different phone and began talking. So now my driver had a phone in each hand, was carrying on two conversations, and was essentially steering with his knees. Next time I'll sit in the back; I just don't want to know.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 12 years ago
Actually, stop signs DON'T always apply to cyclists - just as the road lane doesn't ALWAYS belong to motored conveyences.

In general, motorists and cyclists need to be aware of one another, and aware of which laws do and don't apply to cyclists.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
What? where I live, all road signs and lights apply to cyclists.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 12 years ago
If a bicyclist wants to "share the road" then yes the "rules of the road" apply to him/her also ie: stop signs, yield signs, etc etc.

Now then if you want REAL traffic excitement in Miles, get the city coucil to do what ours does here in Grand Junction, CO and start putting in roundabouts instead of 4 way stops. (I picture an American version of National Lampoon European vacation) Sure the idea of them is sound but the functionality leaves a lot to be desired.
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Posted by M G (+193) 12 years ago
In the taillight's glow I see 'em
Blue Hairs Drivin' In My Lane
When she hit me and departed
I knew there'd be no insurance claim
Lucky I'm a paid-up member
Here comes good old Triple-A
From the tow-truck I remember
Blue Hairs Drivin' In My Lane.

Someday on the streets up yonder
They'll be no-o chevrolets
In a land that knows no parking
And no more Blue Hairs Drivin' In My Lane
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2305) 12 years ago
Well, I'm sorry for my "10 paragraph reply" but hey, it happens when something takes off and you have alot to respond too.

Here we go.

Beernut said: "But since you already have it all figured out, since you waited until you were sixteen and didn't have to gain any knowledge from drivers ed instructors that have been doing thier jobs longer that you have been alive, you likley already knew that. Or Since you have been on the road so long, and seen it all, you should probably be the one teaching others to drive.

Oh, and the parking spots on main are public spots. Please do explain whay you think that the casinos customers shouldn't be able to park in front of your workplace?

Just Saying..........."

Humph. Seems like you are becoming more childish than your age. I never said I was perfect, in fact I clearly stated that. I honestly have no clue how to respond to your smart alex statement toward my choice to not take drivers ed. But I can respond to the other issue here. You seriously need to find your true age, and act like it. Your current age standing is of a parent saying they know how to program the VCR, but they don't and their child, who is under the age of adulthood, knows how. It seems you feel it offensive to have your intellect challenged. If so, the internet is not for you. Also, the main parking spots. It is a beef of mine, and considering they can park in the parking lot, or around the building, instead of somewhere that would be used for productive parking, not wasting their money away uselessly. But, I suppose I can park a ways away to get to work, no big.

Bob Netherton said: "You realize, Josh, you said my fingers were "a-blazin" during your ten paragraph reply. Now if it'll make you happy: Josh. You are truly the most perfect driver on the face of planet earth...in the universe, even. You make "Sully" the pilot look like a drunk driver.

You're welcome."

Wow, do you realize how big of an a** you are being? You are acting even worse than Beernuts for brains up there. I never said I was the most perfect driver ever, and have even told why. None the less, I still have my right to voice my opinion on stuff, without having to deal with your childish attitude. But, it seems only someone who drives like I had detailed would become so defensive toward me, Bob. So it seems at least...

Matt Smith said: "Josh,

Perhaps your fear of being in an accident can be overcome by entering in the demolition derby at the fair.

See you there."

I have no fear of being in accidents that may hurt myself, I fear being in one that damages my first car, but I suppose if one happens, it happens.
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Posted by BeerNut (+68) 12 years ago
Yep, you nailed it.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 12 years ago
Wendy & Brian - my bad: here's the law in Idaho regarding stop signs:

49-720. STOPPING -- TURN AND STOP SIGNALS. (1) A person operating a
bicycle or human-powered vehicle approaching a stop sign shall slow down and,
if required for safety, stop before entering the intersection. After slowing
to a reasonable speed or stopping, the person shall yield the right-of-way to
any vehicle in the intersection or approaching on another highway so closely
as to constitute an immediate hazard during the time the person is moving
across or within the intersection or junction of highways, except that a
person after slowing to a reasonable speed and yielding the right-of-way if
required, may cautiously make a turn or proceed through the intersection
without stopping.


Note, this only applies to people riding on the road, not people on the sidewalk.
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