Tax Evaders & Lobbyists
Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 12 years ago
It looks like The One's administration is getting off to a rousing First 100 days. First it was Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner's "Mistake" in not reporting $35,000 in taxes but that's fine for The One. Now it's former Senate Leader Tom Daschle doing the "Geithner's Mistake" to the tune of over $100,000.

White House: Daschle Had 'Tax Issues,' Shouldn't Bar His Cabinet Confirmation
http://www.foxnews.com/po...firmation/

So it seems that Mr. "No Lobbyists In My Administration But I'll Employ Three Of Them" is also quite content to look the other way with tax evaders.

I wonder how many of us would get the pass, much less Presidential Cabinet positions, that Geithner & Daschel have enjoyed.

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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 12 years ago
There's just something about the tax n' spend type...

They love taxing, they love spending, they just hate having to pay for it themselves.

We'll see if iowahawk's advice pans out.
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 12 years ago
I love how The One's administration downplayed it, calling it an "Issue".

If you told the IRS that you made a "Mistake" and owed them over $100,000 in back taxes could you tell them that it was "Just An Issue" and get a high-level Government job or would you be hauled into prison faster than James Traficant.

More HopeChange from The One.

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Posted by ABC (+381) 12 years ago
Kyle:

Any validity to your arguements are negated by your childish use of names like "The One."


ABC
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 12 years ago
But Obama's integrity is beyond reproach even though he's broken a major campaign theme of "No Lobbyists" three times already.

Got it.
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Posted by Jay (+281) 12 years ago
You just got to love the way the money is being passed out. $4.19B to Achorn just to start.
If you think the Reps. had a hard time covering the last admn. Think of the things that the Dems. will have to come with to cover this pig circus.
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Posted by Stone (+1596) 12 years ago
Ya like these guys are angles. How quick we forget about Jack Abrmoff and the boys.

http://www.republicanoffenders.com/
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 12 years ago
But Stone, Abrmoff wasn't an ex-Senate Majority Leader who should've known better. Nor was he a person trying to attain a high-level Presidential Cabinet position. I'm not saying he was a saint or anything, far from it.

It just seems to me that if you're going to be head of the US Treasury you should at the very minimum have a working knowledge of the US Tax Code.

But it's funny that you bring Abrmoff up Stone. A man who defrauds people for millions goes to jail as he should but two people who commit tax fraud, excuse me, "Tax Mistakes" get high-level Government positions.
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 12 years ago
On another note it looks like Obama might get another "Non-Lobbyist" in his administration in Daschle.

Report: Daschle Received $220G From Health Care Groups With Vested Interest
http://www.foxnews.com/po...firmation/

Sen. Tom Daschle, President Obama's nominee to head the Department of Health and Human Services, reportedly received $220,000 in speaking fees from health care groups with a vested interest in the work he would do once confirmed as health chief.

Wow two for the price of one.

So in sum we've got a tax cheat as head of the US Treasury, and a man who pulled in nearly $225,000 in Health Care speaking fees as head of Heath & Human Services.

Kind of makes this speech seem hollow.

No Lobbyists
http://www.youtube.com/wa...tFNsLTs0rk

Now it looks like Obama's reneged on this "Pledge" 4 times. We really should get a tally board going here as it looks like new "Non-Lobbyists" are joining the "No Lobbyists In My Administration" Administration on a daily basis.

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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
Since tax evasion has been brought up I'd like to offer my services to review Kyle's and Rich's past tax returns. I'm sure they don't live in glass houses. Just let me know.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5095) 12 years ago
Geithner and Daschle should be/have been rejected.

In Geithner's case, he was able to get in because the economy sucks so bad. Why does the economy suck so bad? Because of the abject failure (George Bush) who lived in the White House from 2001 to 2009.
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Posted by Stone (+1596) 12 years ago
Kyle, I agree with you but the list 227 GOP'ers is growing with Trent Lott and Ted Stevens. There are even some pedophiles on the old list of the GOP.

However, I agree some of the choices seem to me as less than desirable.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 12 years ago
RepublicanOffenders.com?

Boy, Stone. That really looks like the kind of reading someone should engage in when they're "tired of partisanship"

It's not any harder to find the same kinds of liars, crooks and pedophiles in your own party.

Most the Abramoff republicans are gone, while most the Abramoff Democrats remain (as Senate Majority leader... among other things)

Strange how that works.

Anywho, since we've already covered 2 cabinet-level Obama appointees (one of whom will run the IRS) that don't like to pay taxes, let's not forget good ol' Charlie R... Head Democrat in charge of the committee who writes tax code, who is apparently unable to determine whether $75k in rental income should be reported to the IRS.

This, of course, came after the fact that he was caught occupying 4 separate rent controlled (intended for lower income) apartments in NYC for his own comfort and convenience. As for the 3 other, likely needier people who were crowded out of affordable housing so Rangel could spread out? Tough. He is still in charge of writing their tax code, however.

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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1893) 12 years ago
Cap'n Google and his chums are gonna be busy for the next 8 years.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 12 years ago
Sorry, Bob. Didn't realize HopeT and ChangeT came with a requirement to keep quiet in the face of corruption.
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1893) 12 years ago
Are you kidding? It's a lot more entertaining with you guys. Would this be any fun if everyone agreed with you? Enjoy the Superbowl.
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Posted by Jim Brady (+425) 12 years ago
Rick

You forget the first rule of the most (ethical, transparent, etc.) Congress and/or Administration in history.

Rule #1: When it involves Conservatives, their behavior is corruption, tax evasion, fraud, influence peddling or perversion. When the same behavior is from Democrats, it is "sloppy", "a simple mistake", "just politics" or the ever popular "no big deal".

Shame on you.
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Posted by Stone (+1596) 12 years ago
Rick, you are absolutly right. I let down my guard and played the parician game. My apologies-Damn how you guys suck me into your quagmire. Speaking of quagmire does anyone watch family guy?
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
I guess if I have to choose between tax evaders or torturers I'll take the tax evaders.
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Posted by Jim Brady (+425) 12 years ago
I fail to see the difference. Oppressive taxation is economic torture. Just ask anyone who is unemployed, underemployed or watching their business go in the tank.

Please don't be fooled into thinking the new administration will be squeeky clean on human rights any more than they are on ethics. Obama will end up with plenty of blood on his hands before it's over. His decision to continue "rendition" which was, on the campaign trail, torture by proxy, doesn't seem to bother him now.

All we are looking at is the other side of the same coin.
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Posted by Frank Hardy (+1607) 12 years ago
I tortured a tax-evader once. I just hate part of myself!

Cheers!
FH
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Posted by Bridgier (+9195) 12 years ago
Several people smarter than you or I think that the LA Times piece is, well, a piece:

Glenn Greenwald: http://www.salon.com/opin...enditions/

Scott Horton: http://harpers.org/archiv...c-90004326

Hilzoy: http://www.washingtonmont...016703.php

I'll wait until I see the ACLU report before I start wailing and gnashing my teeth. But thanks for your concern (trolling).

Besides, I thought all the conservative types thought that rendition was teh awesome? You know, ticking bombs, Jack Bauer, a little manly bondage, etc etc? Why can't you guys enjoy regular porn like everyone else? There's a reason that nobody wanted to be seen in the "fetish" section of Larry's Video: it's just creepy.

Now, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, Daschle - the worst majority leader until Harry Reid. I'm with Baucus on this one: let him burn.
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Posted by Dillpickle (+34) 12 years ago
Giggity giggity!!
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Posted by Bridgier (+9195) 12 years ago
And now he's gone: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28994296/

Good riddance - I want a real socialist redesigning our national healthcare system, not some insurance company whore. (I apologize in advance if this offends any whores who may read this comment - I know you all work hard for your money, while Tom Daschle turns tricks just by shaking hands.)
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 12 years ago
I want a real socialist redesigning our national healthcare system

Bridgier, I was with you up until you said the above. Sorry but I don't particularly want this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...Criticisms

...to be a model for our health care system.

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Posted by Bridgier (+9195) 12 years ago
Screw Canada - I want to be like the french: http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._in_France

Who ever heard anything good about canadian cheese?
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
Bridgier, you are the smartest poster on this site!
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Posted by Bridgier (+9195) 12 years ago
And yet, I barely crack the top 20 all-time or in 2008
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+471) 12 years ago
Curious of Wendy Wilson........could you please explain to me......the validity of "tax evasion".......as if there ever existed anywhere in the annals of the Congressional Record of every US Congress that ever met.........where.........simply...where.....is the.......*mere*....one single law that provided for the personal income tax?

Thank you quite appropriately..........."Ship"
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Posted by Bridgier (+9195) 12 years ago
I realize that you've got all sorts of rebuttal planned for this, but I'll bite: I believe the law you aren't referring to is the 16th amendment.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+471) 12 years ago
Bob L : Dubya did his part. But.....his action was only a mere.....mere......1/10000th of it as it is now becoming to be......just one ten thousandth.

It was all planned and started and refined and retuned in the 1950s.....as WWII had been a complete failure for the International Banking Cartel.......America won way way way bigger than SHE was supposed to have.

First Act stage left......was....however....December 22,1913....with the ILLEGAL nonratification of the 16th Amendment to the US Constitution.

What all these clowns have done since Reagan and Bush #41 kicked the feathers out of the Soviet Union and bankrupted same ( all Reagan and Bush did was.........oversimplistically.....outspend the Commies and their whole Soviet went belly up) will become drab by comparison in the history of the total destruction of the United States of America.

Suggestion from my brain and good heart.....spend the next 30 to 45 days.........in the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation.........it is all there in properly translated English.

Thank you......."Ship"
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 12 years ago
Nevermind it's been done

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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+10001) 12 years ago
Now, be nice to Mr. Shipley. I let him back in.
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Posted by BeerNut (+68) 12 years ago
"......IRS agents are PAID by a foreign government.......the IRS is *NOT* an agency of the federal government."


Please explain .
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 12 years ago
Is this the "Superior" French Health Care system you're referring to Bridgier?

http://www.mtv.com/movies...tory.jhtml

Moore apparently expects us to witness this dumbfounding spectacle and ask why we can't have such a great health care system, too.

As it turns out, France can't. In 2004, French Health Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy told a government commission, "Our health system has gone mad. Profound reforms are urgent." Agence France-Presse recently reported that the French health-care system is running a deficit of $2.7 billion


Or maybe this is your model:

France must make big changes to its health system in order to cut waste and increase efficiency, a government-commissioned report is warning.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...423159.stm

The report says citizens must pay more and doctors must alter their behaviour. Failure to do so could add 66 billion euros a year $84,803,434,530.20* in US Dollars to France's public budget deficit by 2020, it adds.

* Added by me

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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 12 years ago
Just to paraphrase Bridgier's article (and feelings) for everyone.

"Rendition" is when you detain a foreign suspect, send him to a friendly, compliant foreign agency for "questioning", sheltered from US legal and Geneva convention standards, and hopefully never hear from him again.

Kinda like the mob version of paying Big Tony do all the dirty behind-the-scenes work, and then claiming moral superiority.

"Extraordinary" Rendition is when the same procedure is carried out by a guy with an (R) next to his name.

The difference is subtle, but very real to those who choose to see it.

It's related to how Gitmo, on January 19th, was a travesty and Constitutional affront that needed to be halted immediately. Come January 20th, suddenly it was a tough nut to crack, requiring a year of study before due process could begin to be looked at, because the adopt-a-terrorist telethon wasn't going quite like they'd hoped.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 12 years ago
In another "victory" for the human rights'ers everywhere...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...rrogations

much like the strong new "no lobbyists" rule insisted upon by the Obama administration, except in certain cases where they'd like to hire lobbyists...
now we have an Obama proposal to "ban" torture, with only a teensy little loophole for "classified" situations.

The difference with prior policy would obviously be night and day:

Before

The Press President Bush, did anyone authorize the waterboarding of those detainees?

"Well yes, unfortunately it happened a couple times, because we felt it was warranted, considering what we thought they knew."

The Press You are a war criminal and the worst President in History

After

The Press President Obama, did anyone authorize the waterboarding of those detainees?

"Uh, uh, sorry, that's classified information"

The Press You are as wise as you are benevolent, oh masterful one

Obvious progress. Obama's new "Geneva does not apply" Attorney General was unavailable for comment.

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Posted by Bridgier (+9195) 12 years ago
Rick, breaking your posts up into multiple posts is cheating.

If you'd actually read the fine articles I provided, you would have noticed that the actual difference between rendition and extraordinary rendition has more to do with the color of law then the (R) or the (D).
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Posted by Bob L. (+5095) 12 years ago
Ah, leave Ricky alone and let him battle the straw.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 12 years ago
I could only read one, because the other two links didn't work, but let me show you what I mean (from your article)

It misses the difference between the renditions program, which has been around since the Bush 41 Administration at least (and arguably in some form even in the Reagan Administration) and the extraordinary renditions program which was introduced by Bush 43 and clearly shut down under an executive order issued by President Obama in his first week.

Yet we've discussed on here before, and even the ACLU admits that what you define as "extraordinary" was actually pioneered by the Clinton administration. Your "human rights as a political football" article skips right over that inconvenient detail. It always seems like, in the end, its only that little (R) that matters.

And as far as Obama goes, the proof will be in the pudding. He's already established quite a few "rules" for his administration that he's apparently free to ignore whenever convenient. What proves this any different?
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Posted by Bridgier (+9195) 12 years ago
It always comes back to clinton with you guys doesn't it.

I could (and have) swear up and down that I'm not in the clinton defending business... but you just can't let go of that cigar, or bone, or whatever.

Like I said before - when the ACLU, Amnesty International & Doctors Without Borders tells me that Obama has gone all Jack Bauer, then I'll worry about it.
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 12 years ago
I was going to let this thread fade away but it seems that Obama's made that job much harder on me with his pic for Labor Secretary Hilda Solis. It seems that Obama's once again failed to do his homework on his pics and neglected (or could've cared less) to see that Solis' husband "Mistakenly" failed to pay taxes for 16 years on his auto repair business.

http://news.aol.com/main/...ems/331165

And in what should come as no surprise with Obama nominees as of late it seems as though she's spent time with, brace yourself now, - a lobbyist group.

The postponement also came amid ongoing complaints from some Republican lawmakers about Solis' role as a board member and treasurer of American Rights at Work, or ARW, a group pushing for passage of a bill to make it easier for workers to form unions.

Wyoming Sen. Mike Enzi, the committee's top Republican, has suggested that Solis should recuse herself for two years from debate over the Employee Free Choice Act because of her position with the group. He cites new ethics guidelines put in place by Obama that limit appointees who previously lobbied on an issue from being involved in the issue during their first two years in office.


So now with Solis, Tom Daschel, Tim Geithner, Nancy Killefer & Bill Richardson it looks like Obama's gone Five-for-Five on Cabinet picks.

Change we can believe in!

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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 12 years ago
But on the same token, Bridgier, you can't really credit someone for changing something he hasn't really changed yet.

Renditions are a very sketchy area of the law, and it appears that Obama will maintain at least some level of that sketchiness for his own protection.

To say whether he's done any better or worse will have to be based on his actions. Everything else is "just words"

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Posted by ABE (+421) 12 years ago
When ever I hear that "Change" crap I can not stop thinking of the South Park episode with the Homeless people/Zombies.

"Change" "got any Change" "Chaaaange"
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 12 years ago
Can you all say "Welcome back Carter".
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