Shooting at the Spur
Posted by bluetooth (+142) 13 years ago
Anyone know what happened at the Spur last night?
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Posted by Mark (+35) 13 years ago
As Mule has said before...

"This thread has the potential to rock!"
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Posted by Tina Bean (+417) 13 years ago
Please keep in mind that there are real people and families involved in this situation and a public forum like this is not the place!!!!!
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Posted by Mark (+35) 13 years ago
Spill the beans Tina, what have you heard?
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Posted by bluetooth (+142) 13 years ago
Just curious as to what happened. I beleive it is public knowledge.
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Posted by marciehoff (+209) 13 years ago
AMEN Tina. SHAME ON YOU Mark.
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Posted by angel987 (+11) 13 years ago
Mark, I for one happen to know the people involved in this shooting and do not appreciate your thoughtless remark!
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Posted by angel987 (+11) 13 years ago
A young woman has been murdered and a young man is in critical condition! Please think before you post dumb remarks.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11808) 13 years ago
Being curious about a shooting in a bar is natural. Being smug and cute about it is offensive.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6068) 13 years ago
Rather than sniping back and forth, how about letting some ex-pats in on some actual information? It's already been said that there was a shooting last night at the Spur. It's also been said that a woman has been killed and man has been seriously injured. Rather than let the rumor mill run rampant with this limited information, can someone not beat around the bush and get to the point?
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Posted by snorkie (+105) 13 years ago
I agree. If there was something happen to cause the police to go draw yellow marks all over the parking lot at the spur, isn't it better to offer up the basics since it is public knowledge rather than let the rumor mill stir things up and turn it into a story that has no basis in truth? Sitting back and whining that people should be more considerate is just plain silly. It is my understanding that the shooter is still at large. Seems the community is at risk if this is true.
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Posted by ABC (+383) 13 years ago
Did anyone notice that Angel987 opened the account just moments before they posted on this thread?

ABC
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Posted by tax payer (+346) 13 years ago
Maybe Angel opened the account to just stop the this and let the families mourn, ABC. Do you have any evidence that she did this for other reasons. I say let the police notify the public if needed be, other wise it is none of your d a m n business. Let the families of all sides have some space with thier hurt. Can you not wait until it is made public like the paper? Think people for once.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6068) 13 years ago
Withhold names if you feel the need to protect privacy, but it would be nice to have a little bit more info.
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Posted by tax payer (+346) 13 years ago
Call the police and get your information. Do you think Milescity.com is a realiable source?
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6068) 13 years ago
No need to be coy, tax payer.

We both know the police aren't going to release anything to the public over the phone (and if this ends up being anything like the Larry's Video murder - we may never know anything).

At least we know that it wasn't Eric Brandt who got shot. If it had been, EVERYONE would know every detail about it.
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Posted by Kelly (+2717) 13 years ago
My condolensces to the family and friends.

[This message has been edited by Kelly (edited 11/22/2008).]
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Posted by Tina Bean (+417) 13 years ago
Iformation will be released soon enough. He is NOT at large any longer. There are real people involved in this people know who they are so please just pray for the families and dont be a gossip hound. Lots of families involved and a tragic incident!!!!
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Posted by ABC (+383) 13 years ago
Taxpayer:

I asked a simple question that required either a "yes" or a "no" answer. YOU are the one who put the nefarious intent behind it. You are the one that needs to think for once, and stop putting words in my mouth that were never there to begin with.

ABC
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Posted by Tina Bean (+417) 13 years ago
You guys are a bunch of assholes. Gag me if u like i dont care. People have died and all u guys wanna do is bitch and friggin argue. Disgusting!
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Posted by Mayor (+139) 13 years ago
The Chief of Police is scheduled to provide a briefing to members of the City Council at 8 a.m. on Monday morning at City Hall and a general operational briefing at 3 p.m. in the afternoon on a shooting that occurred just before midnight last night, in which one woman was killed and another man was seriously injured.

The shooter was at-large throughout the night and a multi-agency response was initiated to locate and apprehend him. A Blackhawk helicopter was dispatched from Malmstrom AFB early this morning and located the suspect's vehicle two miles into Rosebud County. He is no longer at-large.

I submit this information primarily to prevent unnecessary non-emergency calls to our central dispatch facility. The press has been covering the incident throughout the morning and more information will be released through normal media channels today and tomorrow.

More information will follow after the operational briefing on Monday afternoon.
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Posted by Tina Bean (+417) 13 years ago
Thank You! Now everyone shut up and let the family and friends grieve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by snorkie (+105) 13 years ago
It is up to the individual to determine if they want to read this thread or not. If it upsets you to read it, then why are you here? The people here are asking out of concern-in short, they are being human. Hyper down already.
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Posted by Alice (+34) 13 years ago
My heart goes out to CW's family and to the owners of Bojangles
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2307) 13 years ago
I agree with Tina. This place is for news, but when it comes to a death/murder in our community... You people have no heart. "This thread has the potential to rock!" Hardly. Goodthing I am not the Forum admin, because you would have been banned from this forum immediately. That is rude and disrespectful, and it shows your maturity level. So, lets leave this, and be respectful to the person(s) who lost their life due to an idiot.
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Posted by Montana Kid (+115) 13 years ago
Thank you, Mayor, for the information

Thank you, law enforcement for swift and impressive action

Prayers go out to the victims and families.
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Posted by Cliff Mitchell (+18) 13 years ago
Someone once said, "the written word is the most powerful weapon of all". I believe I know each of these families, and they all, and I repeat ALL, have and are very positive contributors to this community, and surrounding counties. Some had problems, not unlike your families, and now have and are currently dealing with problems, I for one would never want to face. Please, all of you, take a moment out and pray to your God, that these families will find the courage, tolerance, and peace-with-in to not only survive this tragedy, but continue being positive standouts in this community.

May God in his infinite wisdom, and through his son Jesus Christ, help these families. Believe me, I will do what I can, and I hope you will too.
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Posted by Cliff Mitchell (+18) 13 years ago
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Posted by Mark (+35) 13 years ago
Sorry to stir the pot. 'Shooting' does not equate to 'murder', read the thread title. With more information out there, it is indeed a sad situation, and more information is all we are looking for.

Had the thread title started 'murder at the spur' I'm sure things would have taken a much different route.

[This message has been edited by Mark (edited 11/22/2008).]
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Posted by TK (+1624) 13 years ago
Although some are looking for more information, there is no need to be rude, disrespectful or offensive about it. Besides, those who are looking formore information, most only want that info to "swarm" over--people are a goulish species who thrive on other people's misfortune. It is really sad.

Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends involved with this tragedy. God be with you--
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Posted by Cynthia A. (+198) 13 years ago
praying for the families and for the people that are posting here. goodness.
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Posted by David Schott (+17178) 13 years ago
Authorities search for Miles City shooting suspect

http://billingsgazette.ne...escity.txt
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Posted by Barbara Hoover (+42) 13 years ago
Please pray for the families. I personally know each of them and they are all good people. Give them all time to grieve and support from their family.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2733) 13 years ago
Let's all please shut this thread down. I'm sure those who started it had no idea what unfolded last night and didn't intend to be glib about it. Now that we are becoming aware of the depth of that tragedy, it's time to start over. There is a new thread to send "thoughts and prayers" to the families, if you wish.

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Posted by Bob L. (+5096) 13 years ago
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Posted by Wilbur Cain (+152) 13 years ago
We are supporting the families. We all are very upset by human beings killing one another. We want to protect our families and friends. We don't want it to happen to us. We want to know what happened in a public place so that we can prevent it from happening again. When we don't know what happened we cannot do any of the above. We want to know so we can care and support. All everyone wanted to know is what happened so they could care!
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Posted by Brian (+362) 13 years ago
We want to know what happened in a public place so that we can prevent it from happening again

I'm sorry Wilbur, but I'm failing to see the logic in what you just said. That's like saying, "I want to know what strain of the flu you have so that I can never catch the flu again."
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Posted by Frank Hardy (+1611) 13 years ago
Wanting to know specifics is as human nature as is breathing. Accusing others of being ghoulish because they might be curious while also stating that you know the people involved and are offended that someone else might want that knowledge is hyppocritical.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3714) 13 years ago
Well said Frank. Put yourself in the shoes of people who don't know what happened and are wondering if someone that they know is dead. There's nothing wrong with wanting to know what happened when you know there's been a tragedy in your home town.
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Posted by Wilbur Cain (+152) 13 years ago
Finally. An educated not emotional, non-know -it -all response. The others are 'I know something you don't. I am special. Ha-ha.' You people that keep saying I care for the family. Send a card, call, send flowers, go to the door. Posting on MC.com that you have inside information is not caring! MC.com is a news and info board for people that are interested in the goings on in MC. We all care or we wouldn't be on here. We want to know what is going on in a town we care about.

We want to know what happened in a public place so that we can prevent it from happening again

If this is not true why does research exist???... which is the backbone of most new discovery! Why will the police try to figure out what happened? If I owned the place, the security may need to be upped. Otherwise it could happen again!!!!!

I don't go to a house with a contagious disease and if I have to I don't touch anything!
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2733) 13 years ago
Agreed. I never meant to imply there was anything ghoulish about people inquiring about what happened. And it's obvious that Mark didn't intend to make a glib comment about a murder. So, I take back my plea to shut down this thread.

This thread is a perfect place for those wanting (or needing) to find out (or share) the specifics of the event - especially those MC.commies who live out of town and don't have access to other sources.

I still encourage those who want to share their thoughts and prayers with the families to use the other thread.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11808) 13 years ago
When you combine a young man, alcohol and firearms, you often have a tragic result. I don't think anyone could have prevented this tragedy except the young man himself, who was obviously upset and not thinking clearly.

I do not believe there is an answer to preventing this from happening again, unless we eliminate young men, alcohol, firearms or heart break and that is unlikely to happen.

And yes, the "I know something you don't know" I found more offensive than the inquiries. Saying nothing would have been most appropriate but people were reacting emotionally and, as we know, that reaction is often painful and incorrect.
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Posted by TK (+1624) 13 years ago
I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I did NOT mean to imply that society as a WHOLE is a ghoulish species. There are people out there who genuinely care, I being one of them. However, you cannot deny that there are people out there who just want information because they revel in other people's misery.

Amorette, as for your comments about "young men", it's not just young men--it is anyone. Look at society as a whole and all the people, young men, young women, older men and older women, etc. etc. etc. that cause pain and tragedy to/for others.
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Posted by JLB (+212) 13 years ago
For those of you who are inquiring, the names are posted on the Stevenson & Sons website. The obituaries are not available as of yet but some information is posted. Bob L has provided the link for you on this thread. So sorry to hear of this tragic news.
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Posted by Toni Campbell Tivy (+145) 13 years ago
I live over 2000 miles away and have several relatives in Miles City that fall in the 26-32 year old age range, so I don't think it's ghoulish to want to make sure it wasn't one of them. I tried to call a few relatives just to make sure it was no one in our family, but no one was home (except for the one whose line was busy every time I called).

Anyway, I think a lot of people who check in to Miles City.com live far away and still have families in Miles City, so I don't think it is unreasonable to want to know what happened and who was involved (just for peace of mind, or to make arrangements to come home, or whatever).

The people at the top of this thread make it seem like we already know who is involved and want to drag their names through the mud, and don't seem to be considering any other possibility. If something has happened to one of my cousins or one of their children, I would probably find out about it here first since the Star only updates once or twice a month.

I just went to the Stevenson and Sons Site, but I guess I didn't know where to look for the names. So I am still sitting here waiting for some relative to get home and call me back. God forbid they are at the hospital or funeral home today.
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Posted by David Schott (+17178) 13 years ago
Stevenson and Sons Funeral Home website has newly posted notices for:

Catherine Woods, age 26
Justin Schiller, age 32
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Posted by Toni Campbell Tivy (+145) 13 years ago
Thanks, Dave

Was there another person involved, or did I read that wrong?
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Posted by David Schott (+17178) 13 years ago
Apparently there was another male, age 26 or 27, who was also shot (I assume) by the 32-year-old. My understanding is that he was transported to Holy Rosary Hospital for treatment. I do not know his name.
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Posted by snickers (+821) 13 years ago
Toni I sent you an email when I read your post
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Posted by Jo Ridgeway (+301) 13 years ago
If you visit the Stevenson & Sons website
http://www.stevensonandsons.com
and click on "Current Services" and scroll down a ways, you will see the times set for family visitations and for the funeral services for Catharine Woods and Justin Schiller.
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Posted by Kayce Howard (+11) 13 years ago
Having moved from Miles City 8 years ago I don't know the crowd so much anynore but just to read whats going on in this post makes my skin crawl. Leave the families to mourn. There has to be something other than this to talk about. If not let me know...there is plenty here to talk about. Let the families rest.
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Posted by Shu (+1796) 13 years ago
Justin Schiller...I vaguely remeber him...if I'm not mistaken, he was in the Taekondo class I had with Dr. Vadheim a few years back...he was just a kid then.

I'm really sorry to hear this happened. That's all I have to say.
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Posted by MT MAN (+22) 13 years ago
The self-righteous have surely made their opinion known. It is human nature to inquire and you can't tell me that those with the holier than thou attitudes did not call or contact people from Miles City to find out who was involved and what happened. If you did not inquire..... throw the first stone, though I find it hard to believe as there is nothing wrong with wanting to know what happened. I know the parties involved personally and am a cousin of one. A tragedy and very, very sad. Please, quit with the hypocrisy.
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Posted by MT MAN (+22) 13 years ago
http://www.billingsgazet...escity.txt

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Posted by Jeff Newby (+153) 13 years ago
Thank you MT MAN. I currently live in Cheyenne, WY and just heard of this last night from my brother. I am sorry for both famlies. There is nothing wrong with asking "what happened" if it is done in a respectful way but there is also no need for people calling everyone a$$holes on here just for trying to get news of what is going on back home. Sorry for your loss
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Posted by Chuck Schott (+1286) 13 years ago
OK, We now know who. What about the why, I can only speculate at this point and that's not fair to anyone so fill us (me) in.

Was it a typical Miles City love triangle gone too far?
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Posted by GVC (+517) 13 years ago
Just leave it, Chuck.

Wendy Wilson
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Posted by Donna Kingsley Coffeen (+399) 13 years ago
Something like this is news. There is nothing wrong with asking what has happened in one's community.

I imagine it will be front page news shortly. If it is not legitimate news, it will not be reported. Asking before the paper comes out is not disrespectful. The time one gets the information is irrelevant.
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Posted by jw (+124) 13 years ago
Why does it matter if there was a love triangle? Two people are dead. Bad things have happened to good people and two good families. This tragedy is unexplainable and no one should assume they know why these things happen. It doesn't benefit anyone, especially the families.
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Posted by TK (+1624) 13 years ago
2 families? Hello, there were more than just 2 families involved here. Don't forget about the injured young man and his family.
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Posted by jw (+124) 13 years ago
Didn't mean to leave Jace out. Sorry, just was thinking about those who have lost someone. No disrespect for the Beardsely family by any means.
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Posted by Wilbur Cain (+152) 13 years ago
There has to be something other than this to talk about. If not let me know.There is plenty here to talk about.

This is a double murder in a small town sweetheart. If you don't think this is going to be talked about on the town message board, and we would prefer to hear about your home life, you are in a dream world. Murder is news anywhere...just pick up a copy of the National Enquirer, Gazette, Denver Post.
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Posted by JLB (+212) 13 years ago
I think the reason it "matters" jw..... is the fact that indeed there ARE 2 people dead. Most of us are trying to figure out a motive here, how could something like this happen, why?? It's unimaginable, however this isn't the first time any of us have heard a story like this, seems like there are similar cases in the news quite often . Our curiosity leaves us to "speculate" on our own until there is information that explains otherwise. Does it "benefit" anyone??? Not quite sure what you mean by that, but it might explain what would cause a human being to commit such crime. It's horrible, tragic, and sad the events that have taken place and you won't find a single person in town that doesn't feel for the families.
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Posted by angel987 (+11) 13 years ago
Get your facts straight Wilbur, it was not a double murder.

Victims in Miles City shooting identified
By LAURA TODE
Of The Gazette Staff

The Miles City Police Department today is wrapping up its investigation into a deadly shooting that occurred in the parking lot of a local bar Saturday.

According to Miles City police, the woman killed in the incident was Catherine Woods, 26, of Miles City, and the gunman, who later shot himself, was Justin Schiller, 32, also of Miles City. Jace Beardsley, 27, of Miles City, was injured during the shooting.

According to police reports, the shooting occurred just after midnight outside the Golden Spur Bar and Casino, 1014 S. Haynes Ave.

Schiller and Woods became involved in an argument in the parking lot and Woods and Beardsley got into her car to leave, said Kevin Krausz, Miles City chief of police. Schiller went to his truck, got a semi-automatic pistol and fired 14 shots at Woods, who was attempting to drive away. Two shots hit her, and shrapnel and bullet fragments hit Beardsley, Krausz said.

From the passenger seat, Beardsley called 911 while driving to Holy Rosary Healthcare in Miles City. Woods was pronounced dead at the hospital.

Beardsley's injuries were not life-threatening and he was released from the hospital Saturday afternoon, Krausz said.

"He did everything he could to get her there as fast as he could," he added.

Schiller drove away, and was found dead at about 10 a.m. Saturday in his truck on Tongue River Road in a remote area about 60 miles from Miles City. He died from a self-inflicted gunshot, Krausz said.

Krausz said Woods and Schiller had been in a dating relationship before the shooting, but were no longer a couple when it occurred.

John Tooke, owner of the Golden Spur, said the three were socializing in the bar and left together a few minutes before the shooting. His employees at the bar had no idea a serious conflict was brewing or that it could escalate to a shooting outside, he said.

Woods, Schiller and Beardsley had been drinking, Krausz said, and police are waiting on toxicology reports to determine whether Schiller had been using illegal drugs. Autopsies have been performed on both Schiller and Woods.

Tooke, who has owned the Golden Spur for 19 years, said the shooting was a "senseless tragedy that has had an effect on many local families."

Officers with the Custer County Sheriff's Office, the Montana Highway Patrol, Rosebud County Sheriff's Office and Montana Fish Wildlife and Parks assisted in the search for Schiller. A U.S. Department of Homeland Security helicopter and crew from Great Falls also helped in the search.

Contact Laura Tode at [email protected] or 657-1392.

http://www.billingsgazett...escity.txt
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Posted by Bruce Helland (+588) 13 years ago
Unless you were one of the parties directly involved all you can do is speculate, Anyone who states otherwise is both crass and ignorant of the raw painful emotions of the families directly affected. Please be sensitive to their needs. If you 'need' news of this type I would suggest you grab a copy of the 'Weekly World News' or some other tabloid.
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Posted by Chuck Schott (+1286) 13 years ago
Thanks Angel, that fills in some details. Condolences to the families hopefully no children where left parent-less over this.
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Posted by Kayce Howard (+11) 13 years ago
This is for Wilbur...

I am from that small town sir (sweetheart is not appropriate) and your response is absurd. I live in a city with 4 million people and can't even let my daughter watch the news. I have ridden the ambulance and firetruck...the outcome is devasting. I have no desire to pick up a magazine to read something that I see everyday. Have you read the posts? I knew the victims and simply wanted to ask that the families get some peace. Sure you can ask about what happend but to read the initial post that started all of this is disgusting. "This thread has the potential to rock" WTH...has Miles City gotten that bad??
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Posted by jw (+124) 13 years ago
Well said Bruce! I think those that have no connection to the people who were harmed in this situation are unable to have the sensitivity to recognize that it may be inappropriate to continue digging deeper when the wound is still so fresh.
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Posted by survivor of suicide (+10) 13 years ago
My heart also goes out to all the families involved. For educational purposes and for those left wondering "why?" I refer you to www.AFSP.org. Click on "For The Media:Frequently asked Questions" or any of various sites there for more information.
Studies have shown that in murder-suicides the perpetrators have profiles that resemble individuals who commit suicide rather that those who commit homicide - the role of untreated depression in their stories is often lost in the news accounts. Again, my heartfelt sympathies to ALL families involved in this tragedy.
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