Mate For German Shepard
Posted by Concerned Citizen (+5) 13 years ago
Champer is a AKC registered German Shepard that is needing a mate. Champer is a well mannered, 3 years old and my best friend. If you'd like more info about Champer, Please contact us at [email protected]

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Posted by ABC (+389) 13 years ago
Champer is a little ambiguous to me. I could assume male, but what sex is the dog?
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Posted by Concerned Citizen (+5) 13 years ago
Champer is A male. Gee A person doesn't even think about that when he's with you all the time. Sorry

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Posted by julieinmc (+514) 13 years ago
Responsible breeders only mate their dogs in interest of bettering the breed. Not for profit and definitely NOT to produce a litter of puppies which may not have homes with responsible owners. Sadly, too many people think their dogs "need" a mate, and unfortunate animals end up euthanized. If you truly think your dog is of breeding quality, you should do a little research and find someone who really knows what they are doing and see of they are interested. If they are not, do the world a favor and have your dog neutered.
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Posted by Dona Stebbins (+827) 13 years ago
Julie, I couldn't have said it better. There are thousands of "purebred" dogs that wind up in shelters everyday and most of them are euthanized. Hobby breeders, "backyard" breeders and puppy mills are largely responsible for this. Spay and neuter is the only way to go!
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1889) 13 years ago
Here in Missoula you always see people selling "pure bread" Labradors, Pit Bulls and other breeds from the backs of their pick-ups near Wal-Mart or other big box stores - often on the hottest days of the year. They usually have a big "AKC" sign scrawled on cardboard testifying to the quality of their stock. In the meantime, the local shelters are packed with unwanted dogs and cats. I always wonder what kind of pet owner would buy a dog or cat on whim.
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Posted by Alice (+28) 13 years ago
Well, Well, Well, I see that the good citizens whom are posting on Miles City.com have found yet another person to degrade and treat with hostility when they don't even know them.
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Posted by julieinmc (+514) 13 years ago
Spend a day working in any shelter in the nation and see if you don't feel the same!
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Posted by Dona Stebbins (+827) 13 years ago
Alice, there is no degradation or hostility in my post - only the simple truth that there are too many unwanted animals in this world. Julie is right, also. Work a day or two at any shelter in this country, and it will be a real eye-opener for you.
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Posted by Robin H. (+23) 13 years ago
Holy Crapoly, the situation with Champer is that he is 3 yrs old and has never mated. My parents(Champs owners) chose not to have him neutered when he was a puppy. He is showing the urge to spread his seed very often and we were just wondering if any dog/dog owner might want to indulge Champs needs and possibly have a litter of puppies...who knows. I guess we were only thinking of the positive things that could come of the situation, not all of the dire consequences. Our apologies.
We were under the impression that neutering a dog later in life might be more difficult to recover from, etc. Also, my mom heard that at the vet's office they poke a cattle prod into the dogs anus to get the job done. Poor Champer.
Any other ideas?

Also, someone please start a "Jump to Conclusions" thread so everyone with any bone to pick can spread their words in a nonsensical fashion on that forum instead of spreading it out all over everyone else's purely intended forums.
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Posted by julieinmc (+514) 13 years ago
You REALLY need to talk to your vet. I don't believe at three he is too old to have neutered. Your vet will probably tell you that you will have a lot less medical problems in his later years if he is neutered, as long as he gets plenty of exercise and good food. I have in my home a 13 yr. old male dog who has not been neutered. He is not MY dog, so it was not my choice for him to remain "intact." Our vet recommended we not do it now he is so old. The anesthesia would be too dangerous at his age. I had my dog spayed when she was about nine months old. Every dog I have owned has been spayed or neutered.
As for the cattle prod up the anus, that just doesn't make any sense. Like I said, please talk to your vet and have him/her explain the procedure. There is always a risk with any surgery, but I think you will find the risk well worth it.
There are just way too many dogs out there that need homes now for someone to have a litter of pups for any reason. It's heartbreaking how may unwanted pets in just our small town are euthanized. I can tell you really love your dog and want to give him some "relief," but please don't add to such a serious problem.
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Posted by Montana Kid (+109) 13 years ago
I'd much rather see a planned litter rather than a mongrel, back alley, hookup. For that alone, you're being very responsible pet owners. Not every good dog is a show champion. Actually, many highly bred dogs have developed adverse characteristics in behavour that are overlooked for the sake of superb confirmation. The responsible "backyard breeder" breeds for characteristics desireable in a pet, not a business. I know dog shrinks, however, say that what Champer is doing isn't sexual, but a desire for dominance, but hopefully the plan for Champer to procreate will prove them wrong. Now this is pure suggestion, and I don't intend it to sound weird, but my friend finally sewed "humping pillows" for her Jack Russells (already neutered by the way, and still doing the same thing). She sewed them with a "shape" and stuffed them very full and taut. It's a little embarassing to be in their house and have the dogs drag their prize pillows out to show off their dominance skills in front of company, but she swears they're much better dogs now. Whatever you find that works, I hope things get better for Champer and the owners.
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Posted by tax payer (+353) 13 years ago
What in the @@@@ does a cattle prod do? They put them to sleep, cut the bag, take out the goodies and presto no puppies. 3 is not old to cut a dog. Cattle prod, still laughing at that one.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+12107) 13 years ago
The person who told your Mom about the cattle prod has a perverse mind. Or maybe was just teasing and had a, shall we say, questionable sense of humor. I mean, think about it? What would the prod do, exactly, that would remove the testicles? A strong enough shock to destroy the testicles through the rectum would do a whole lotta other damage as well.

See the vet. Fix the dog. Get the pillows. You can buy them on line. Save the world more waste and suffering.

And don't invite that cattle prod guy around any more. He worries me.
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Posted by snickers (+828) 13 years ago
LOL No cattle prods involved in neutering dogs
They actually are under anesthesia the whole time. 3 years isn't to old to have it done. Unless he is a cryptorchid it is a easy process.

There are lots of benefits from Neutering. Here is a google.

http://www.google.com/sea...tnG=Search

Health Benefits
http://www.google.com/sea...tnG=Search

I didn't look at the sites but one of these might explain the process
http://www.google.com/sea...tnG=Search

The hard part is that you may work hard to find them great homes and even your Fav pup only to find out later that it wasn't such a good home and it was PTS for a variety of reasons such as
Had to Move New place wouldn't let us have pets
Kept chewing up everything
Food aggressive
Kept getting out of the yard and running away
Someone was allergic
Kept shedding all the time
Chased the neighbors cows
Peed on the floor all the time
Didn't get along with the other pets
Owner died and no one wanted the pup
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Posted by TK (+1619) 13 years ago
OMG PEOPLE----everyone has a right to whether they spay or neuter their animals. Yes, then it is their obligation to be a RESPONSIBLE pet owner and NOT mate their animals (or let them run around free being "traveling sales-animals"). When did America cease to being a FREE COUNTRY???????

Oh, and by the way, people--my sister and brother-in-law have a purebred German Shepherd male who is 2 this year. They have chosen not to neuter him, and instead, they purchase stuffed teddy bears/animals for him to "buddy" with and he's perfectly happy with that--of course they have to replace the toys frequently......So what's the BIG DEAL??????

(And if it even really matters to anyone, I have 2 cats and a dog that are spayed, a rabbit that is NOT neutered and 3 horses; of course the mares aren't spayed, but our 2 year old is gelded......Again, WHAT's the big deal as long as people are RESPONSIBLE and pay attention to their pets!!!!!!!!!!!)


yeah I know---there are still people out there who shouldn't be allowed to have pets for the very reason of breeding them and/or letting them run loose; hence the same reason that some people shouldn't be allowed to have kids! LOL

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Posted by Eric Brandt (+841) 13 years ago
Wow!

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Posted by Alice (+28) 13 years ago
Spend a day working at any shelter and see if you don't feel the same.

Okay. Lets see I have worked at a shelter in Bozeman. What does that have to do with anything? Pets are often unwanted, and given to shelters which is sad.

This post was not about neutering or spaying the animal it was about someone in town looking for a mate for their pet.

So instead of individuals responding who want to breed their animal and have a litter of puppies that would be loved and cared for, several people have turned this post into their own opinion column.

So maybe you should start your own little post about spaying and neutering. That would be much more appropriate.

Oh and if you decide to jump all over me again think about it first. You don't know me and you have no idea what I think about animals or what my training is. Which unless you are a vet is probably considerably more than yours.
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Posted by julieinmc (+514) 13 years ago
That was not an attack, it was a suggestion. Why are you so defensive? The topic of this forum is general discussion. I believe that is all we were doing.
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Posted by K. D. (+361) 13 years ago
"That was not an attack, it was a suggestion. Why are you so defensive? The topic of this forum is general discussion. I believe that is all we were doing."

How would you feel if you were asking for a recipe for cornbread. Everyone starts bashing you for wasting natural resources for heating your oven, and we assume you are going to burn your cornbread anyway.

The person asked about breeding thier dog, leave it at that.

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Posted by Robin H. (+23) 13 years ago
Exactly K.D.
BTW The cattle prod isn't used for neutering, it's supposedly used to get the animal to ejaculate "on command".
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Posted by Bridgier (+9380) 13 years ago
With a lead in like that, I really can't resist...



More here: http://plif.courageunfett...rchive.htm

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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1889) 13 years ago
Damnit! K.D.! Cornbread belongs in the "Food and Beverage" forum!
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Posted by julieinmc (+514) 13 years ago
I see no one has stepped forward with a mate for Champer.
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Posted by Robin H. (+23) 13 years ago
Interested parties were asked to respond via email.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3708) 13 years ago
I wonder if the original poster has been back to hear all of this lecturing they're getting .
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Posted by Montana Kid (+109) 13 years ago
Hopefully Champers owners can find a little levity in the thread that ensued and not let their frustration sour their opinion of this forum. The forum as a whole really is exceptional and something for MC to be proud of. Not too many places people can voice themselves like this. So to that end, well wishes to the unwanted pet cause people, thanks to veterinary medicine for the nightmares about electric probes, and most of all...here's to Champer for causing all this commotion! You're the stud here.
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Posted by Concerned Citizen (+5) 13 years ago
Yes I have been back Levi, But I refuse to stoop to the level of the posters. I am Farm raised and farmer/rancher most of my life but now pledged with a health problem that keeps me wheelchair bound most the time. I was just looking for a solution for champers problem. He has a heart mummer and the VETS REFUSED to neuter him. If puppies where to be a problem I WAS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM. I live far from town and I LOVE ANIMALS. I am extremely SORRY that I starting this silly Post
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1889) 13 years ago
Let me get this straight. You're gong to let Champers father a litter of puppies just to get his rocks off? Isn't there enough of that going on in the human race?
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Posted by snickers (+828) 13 years ago
I think my post was mistaken
I meant that the puppies would be either sold or given away to what you think will be a good home only to later be put to sleep for one of the reason I posted above. That would be hard to find out later after you spent the first 8 weeks raising it

But now I am concerned.
Did your Vet tell you the chances that Chomper may pass on the Heart Murmur on to the puppies. Such as what the percentage would be that each puppy could inherit it?
edited to add links
I am not sure what kind of Heart Murmur your dog has

http://www.google.com/sea...US228&sa=2
http://www.google.com/sea...tnG=Search
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+12107) 13 years ago
So, every time the dog gets the urge--which I assume will happen even after he has bred once--you plan to have another litter of puppies which may inherit a defective heart. Yup, sounds like a plan to me. . .
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Posted by Mona (+14) 13 years ago
I have an idea. We have Amorette bend over and let Champers take over. Then several things might be accomplished. Champers will feel better. Maybe by some strange twist of fate, Amorette will get the heart murmur. And some of us will get a great laugh knowing Amorette got nailed by a Geramn Shepard.

Yes, I fully understand my account will be gagged, even though the webby said he wasn't doing that anymore. So I guess thats all I have to say.
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1889) 13 years ago
Sounds like you've tried it, Mona.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9380) 13 years ago
Who's Geramn Shepard? Is he french?
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Posted by Mona (+14) 13 years ago
Oh, he's French allright. And Amorette will be speaking the language of love after the deed is done. Ruff Ruff, Howwwwwwwlllll!!

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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+10016) 13 years ago
"Mona" will no longer be participating in the discussion forums.
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Posted by Mona (+14) 13 years ago
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+10016) 13 years ago
Grin all you like, but you won't be posting here again.
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Posted by Chuck Schott (+1292) 13 years ago
Man, that was a little over the top there Mona. I glad I didn't get involved in this thing earlier I hate to have you setting me up with old Choppers. Anger management classes should be in your future.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+12107) 13 years ago
Something tells me I'd enjoy the dog's company a lot more than Mona's! After all, he has some class, being purebred and all.
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Posted by Robin H. (+23) 13 years ago
I appreciate the post Mona and feel the same way. Amorette is being rude. Which I guess is to be expected by now since her opinions usually are on the bitcharoonitooni side.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9380) 13 years ago
Wow - two (fairly innocuous) replies from Amorette and suddenly we're awash in WATBs who seem to have a thing for the more extreme forms of German pornography.
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Posted by Chuck Schott (+1292) 13 years ago
I don't know anything about German Porn but I just love the term Bitcharoonitooni.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+12107) 13 years ago
Do you eat it with marinara sauce?

Seriously, here is some good news that has nothing to do with pasta.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...577275.stm

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Posted by Bridgier (+9380) 13 years ago
yeah, that's what I'd say too Chuck...
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Posted by Chuck Schott (+1292) 13 years ago
It's my story and I'm sticking to it bitcharoonitooni.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2740) 13 years ago
Three cheers for Amorette for responding humorously and staying out of the slime that some people wallow in. And kudos to the Webmaster for identifying and enforcing that very-hard-to-define line between freedom of speech and the abuse thereof. His solution was perfect. Besides, the offender admitted in her post that she had said all she had to say (which was nothing but thinly veiled pornography), so she isn't losing anything (and neither are we).

As for complaints about threads getting "off topic" and people not always using civil tones --- hey, I'm right there with you guys. I would love it if people would post new threads instead of getting off topic, and if they would avoid jumping to conclusions about a poster's character based on a single statement (or even a misspelled word), and wouldn't it be wonderful is everyone could maintain a civil level of discourse here. But I don't think that is possible if MC.com is going to remain a lively, interesting and (sometimes anyway) educational forum.

Fortunately, anyone who visits MC.com even sporadically soon figures out that things can quickly veer off course into uncharted and wild territory. I suppose the webmaster could post "User Beware" and "Post at Your Own Risk" warnings on the MC.com homepage, but that's pretty much akin to "Don't Place Your Head in the Plastic Bag" warnings that we all laugh at --- 99.9% of the people don't need such warnings, and the few who do don't heed them anyway.

Two absolute requirements for long-term participation on MC.com are a thick skin and a resiliant sense of humor. Good manners and sharp intellect are optional. And, from an entertainment POV, that's a good thing - tho it isn't always pretty.
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Posted by marciehoff (+203) 13 years ago
Although I follow the posts often, I seldom respond. Not that there isn't a few that I think about it. I figure it's better to be assumed an idiot than to be confirmed so generally keep my mouth shut or fingers still whichever. But I found Mona's post HILLARIOUS. A.A. is very vocal and quite opinionated. Some of her comments just plain suck. Sooo, assumed or confirmed no matter. I still LMAO!!!
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2740) 13 years ago
A.A. is certainly very opinionated, and she often chooses to state those opinions bluntly. But I have never read a post of hers that is vicious or vacuous. Mona's were both, and the action the webmaster took was justified. Despite what I said in my earlier post, I do think the quality of conversation on MC.com would improve enormously if people would focus on the content of people's message rather than attacking the character of the "poster" - because that's when people start to look idiotic IMHO.
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Posted by Eric Brandt (+841) 13 years ago
I have read plenty of caustic posts by Amorette over the years. Sorry Steve, but I'm not so jumpy to give her kudos. She can get very antagonistic, often lacks facts before making accusations, and then tries to discharge it with some version of humor when things get a little uncomfortable.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2740) 13 years ago
Eric - didn't you just describe ALL of us on MC.com? Come on, man - why single out Amorette? Are you saying what Mona did was justified by Amorette's previous posts? If so, then I completely disagree. Mona stepped WAY over the line -- beyond caustic or acidic or any other adjective that typically applies to testy/lively conversations.

I know Amorette can defend herself quite nicely - and she shrugged off Mona's assault very civilly, I thought. So I had no intention of getting involved in this thread. Until, that is, someone defended the offender. That was something I thought needed to be addressed.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9380) 13 years ago
Eric, you're getting into pot & kettle territory here....
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Posted by Scott P (+104) 13 years ago
This thread has completely gotten out of control. We breed labs and poms, I know way different. Anyway , we sell them to responsible owners, they interview us and we them. We also request email updates on each of the pups which we normally get with pictures. I realize their are many "pups" in shelters which need adopted. I assume 90 percent of them are mix breed and of homes where the people have no time or care if their pet is properly taken care of. Our "babies" are part of our family.
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Posted by Concerned Citizen (+5) 13 years ago
Amen! Scott
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Posted by M G (+190) 13 years ago
Bad chicken at Subway,..., unwanted pet problem,.., Hmmmm
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Posted by Dona Stebbins (+827) 13 years ago
At the Great Falls Shelter, we see lots of purebred dogs. Many Poms and Labs pass through here. People who breed for profit, rather than improving the breed, are to blame. Scott, you are wrong when you say that mixed breeds are the majority of shelter dogs. I have adopted purebred Golden Retrievers, English Cockers, Poms, and many more that I have fostered. Purebred - all. I don't believe that any of the many breed rescue groups would agree with you regarding "mixed breeds" making up most of the shelter dogs. That has NOT been my experience in over 30 years of working in shelters and breed rescue.

One of the real problems involves Labs (and Lab crosses) referred to as BBDs (or Big Black Dogs) which are virtually unadoptable as a general rule. If you are breeding to show and improve the breed, my apologies in advance. If you are "breeding for greed," I don't owe you anything, since I am one of the folks that cleans up after you and your march toward fiscal fitness at the expense of those with no voice.
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Posted by Bob Netherton (+1889) 13 years ago
Eric. When I post on mc.com I TRY to be antagonistic, OFTEN lack facts while making accusations and usually make lame attempts at humor. When ranked against a very very large majority of the posters, I'd say Amorette is more polite, factual and humorous.

If I were you, especially after that epic p*ssing match you were involved with, I'd find someone else besides Amorette to jump on.
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Posted by Eric Brandt (+841) 13 years ago
Oh. My bad.
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Posted by Scott P (+104) 13 years ago
Donna, I am not totally in this for the fiscal benefit, although the extra money is helpful. We lo9ve the lab and pom breeds. you know better than I do of the ramifications of what happens after the newness wears off. We just sold one pup to a family in ID and and have a couple flying in from AK to purchace another on Wed. So I am 99 percent sure that neither one of these pups will end up in a shelter. I wish you well in all of your work as I am sure it is not easy.
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Posted by Patti Hughes (+82) 13 years ago
I found a male English Bulldog, intack, on a website in Colorado. He was used for breeding, the family had to move and couldnt take him with, they said come and get him if you want him. I was there in a heartbeat. 8 yrs old, Oscar, I took him to the vet, they said we should nueter him, I said what for, hes 8 yrs old. Hes retired. I said no, I wouldnt put him thru that at his age. I am against breeding for profit. This family could of found a home for rent that allows dogs. They had him since 8 wks old. He is having the time of his life with our two senior bassets we got at High country rescue. There are too many animals in need of homes. Adopt, dont breed
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4459) 13 years ago
Holy Crap. I have to admit it took me quite awhile to even click on this topic because of its largely benign thread title. Once it hit the 50 or so post mark though, I figured something (other than dog on dog action) must be cookin'

Bravo to those who've expanded MC.com's classic style of dialog into every conceivable avenue.

I expect this will usher in a brave new day of pouring through the classifieds, doing homework on whether this or that person is too tubby to sell that ab-lounger... or passing Goraclean judgement on those who actively seek 1960's station wagons.

Mark my words. Your days are numbered Classified'ers. You've escaped our wrath for far too long
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Posted by julieinmc (+514) 13 years ago
I think the proper term is "Holy Crapoly."
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2740) 13 years ago
Good catch, Julieinmc. But, unlike bitcharoonitooni, I'm going to need a little bit of help on that one to say it right. Is it Holy crap-OH-lee, or Holy cra-POH-lee, or Holy cra-POLE-ee?

And Rick - what a great idea! See ya in the classifieds!
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