Okay, this has been bugging me for a while. Specifically:
Oddjob wrote:Lenny Bruce, the low-life heroin addict, probably did more and sacrificed more for free speech by accident, than any of the "literary giants" quoted here ever did on purpose.
There's something to be said for Lenny Bruce, however I have to wonder if Oddjob's affection has anything more to do than him being someone that loved spouting the "N-word".
The part that bothers me most though, is this:
Oddjob wrote:probably did more and sacrificed more for free speech by accident, than any of the "literary giants" quoted here ever did on purpose
Ahhh, hummmmm. (Clearing my throat.)
Oddjob, you do know who Plato was - don't you? Here, let me quote Wikipedia:
Wikipedia wrote:Plato (428/427 or 424/423 – 348/347 BCE) was a philosopher in Classical Greece and the founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world. He is widely considered the most pivotal figure in the development of philosophy, especially the Western tradition. Unlike nearly all of his philosophical contemporaries, Plato's entire work is believed to have survived intact for over 2,400 years.
Along with his teacher, Socrates, and his most famous student, Aristotle, Plato laid the very foundations of Western philosophy and science. Alfred North Whitehead once noted: "the safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it consists of a series of footnotes to Plato." In addition to being a foundational figure for Western science, philosophy, and mathematics, Plato has also often been cited as one of the founders of Western religion and spirituality. Friedrich Nietzsche, amongst other scholars, called Christianity, "Platonism for the people." Plato's influence on Christian thought is often thought to be mediated by his major influence on Saint Augustine of Hippo, one of the most important philosophers and theologians in the history of Christianity.
Plato was the innovator of the written dialogue and dialectic forms in philosophy, which originate with him. Plato appears to have been the founder of Western political philosophy, with his Republic, and Laws among other dialogues, providing some of the earliest extant treatments of political questions from a philosophical perspective. Plato's own most decisive philosophical influences are usually thought to have been Socrates, Parmenides, Heraclitus and Pythagoras, although few of his predecessors' works remain extant and much of what we know about these figures today derives from Plato himself.
The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy describes Plato as "...one of the most dazzling writers in the Western literary tradition and one of the most penetrating, wide-ranging, and influential authors in the history of philosophy. ... He was not the first thinker or writer to whom the word “philosopher” should be applied. But he was so self-conscious about how philosophy should be conceived, and what its scope and ambitions properly are, and he so transformed the intellectual currents with which he grappled, that the subject of philosophy, as it is often conceived—a rigorous and systematic examination of ethical, political, metaphysical, and epistemological issues, armed with a distinctive method—can be called his invention. Few other authors in the history of Western philosophy approximate him in depth and range: perhaps only Aristotle (who studied with him), Aquinas and Kant would be generally agreed to be of the same rank."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlatoCough. Cough. OK, Oddjob - now how exactly did Lenny Bruce, the vulgar comedian famous for using the "N-word", somehow accomplish more than Plato???
I fully expect you to pull a Kellyanne Conway, or not respond at all, but I'm still kind of curious as to how you justify your latest demented statement.
