and fifty-three wounded. It is more than three days since this horror occurred. Is it because it didn't happen in MC? Is it was because the victims were gay? Every social media site on the planet has had some response to the atrocity that took place in Orlando? So far, not a word from Miles City dot com. Is it just easier to argue over minutia or beat dead horses? Let us not distract ourselves from the reality of the world around us. How is Miles City reacting to what has occurred in Florida? It does affect Montana. It affects us all.

I suppose we could turn our attention back to Aliens, matchbook covers or that mother of five who may or may not have cancer.

[Edited by Tucker Bolton (6/14/2016 2:29:45 PM)]

I have nothing to offer on this subject except anger, and I don't feel like putting up with glib and facile bullpoop from oddjob, Daniel K. Allen, Tom Marum, etc.

But since you asked, here's something I wrote elsewhere:

This could have been your son.

This horror wasn't enabled by a spoon, or whatever other nonsensical analogies people want to draw. It was enabled because we can't restrict anybody's access to firearms ever. On a terrorist watch list? You can still buy a gun. Have a history of domestic violence and/or mental illness? We wouldn't want to inconvenience you.

Moments of silence are collaboration.

God appears to care little for our thoughts and prayers.

This could have been your son.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/.../242423159



If that image doesn't tear your heart out, then you're not a person, or at least not one I'd care to know.

[Edited by Bridgier (6/14/2016 2:48:40 PM)]

Not to muddy these waters, but I saw an article that said he let all the blacks and ethnic groups free, and only killed white gays. Is there any truth to this?

Look at there names.

To all the downvotes, I can honestly say I hope you die scared and alone. Procreate you.

This is truly a terrible, tragic event!

I feel very sorry for the LGBT community of Orlando.

I heard on public radio today that not one person who made it to a hospital has died. That's very impressive for the doctors and nurses of Orlando who have practiced for a mass casualty event. Let's hope the injured continue to recover and heal.

I dedicate this song, "Over the Rainbow" sung by the Denver Gay Men's Chorus to the LGBT community in Orlando and to all people everywhere who long and pray for a more socially just world.

Not to muddy these waters, but I saw an article that said he let all the blacks and ethnic groups free, and only killed white gays. Is there any truth to this?

Seriously.

Fine. I'll take your query seriously.

http://www.orlandosentine...story.html
Go read their names. Read about their lives, their loved ones, their families.
Then go read their names again.
Look at their pictures.
Read their names.
Remember them, not the useless bigot claiming he loved ISIS and hated gay people and thought he needed to assert his masculinity by gunning down people while they danced.
Read their names.
Look at their faces.
The world I want my children growing up in is a world where they can dance.
Procreate this guy for targeting humans because of his own issues.
Procreate this guy for killing people to make him feel better or powerful.
Procreate how easy it was for him to purchase and use a tool that allowed him to spray bullets into human flesh without having to reload.
Procreate our society for continuing to encourage hatred and bigotry and make his personal little brand of hate speech that he spewed at work and at home *just* acceptable enough to NOT be stopped.

How about this...
Ignore him and any cohorts who think like he does.
Speak up where others were obviously too quiet.
Defend the rights of others to dance.
Defend the rights of others to live.

READ THEIR NAMES AGAIN.

And then apologize.

Gunsngold - You're kidding, right? No one is THAT obtuse. You couldn't be bothered to look up the names yourself? You couldn't take the few seconds it would have taken to see the faces of those killed? In the time it took you to type out your dreck, you could have answered your question ... but that would have required your query to have been sincere in the first place.

"Not to muddy these waters ..."

Oh, that's rich. Muddying waters is ALL you wanted to do. I know you don't possess the requisite courage to post under your own name, but at least have the decency to be sincere. Your disingenuousness in response to mass murder is severely, profoundly out-of-bounds.

Do better, jerk.

Calm down , it was a question. I had heard this on a BS site, and was just looking for info. It appears the information was bad, and the victims were a diverse group. Don't get your panties in a wad over a question,


And it doesn't matter to me, what ethniticity the victims are. They are being judged by the man upstairs now.

Here is an eye witness account from inside the building.

A man who was trapped inside of the gay nightclub in Orlando where Omar Mateen massacred 49 people Sunday morning says that the ISIS-inspired terrorist selected victims based on their race.

The witness, who played dead for three hours during the attack, told ABC News that Mateen spared black club patrons, t focus on white patrons.

ABC news carried this story.

Go procreate yourself, Danny Boy.

If you took the time to look at the faces of the victims, it would become quickly obvious that African-American (i.e., black patrons) in no way were spared. You were misinformed.

I do trust you read the article linked above in order to further educate yourself on the lives lost.

If the gunning down of 50 human beings who were dancing doesn't get YOUR panties in a bunch, I've got some excellent counsellors I can introduce you to, because your empathy organ appears to be broken.

I asked the question because I had no time, been busy lately. Thanks for answering the question with some name calling. I can depend on the quick guns of MC.commie

middle finger to you Boob!

However it is is worth noting that the article is located on the infowars site, and ran on ABC news. Info wars just has a the link to it there. If it is true that the terrorist has some sort of twisted racist fantasy playing out in his social justice structure, then he would end up being just another liberal revolutionary in the end.

Infowars. There's your second problem, Gunsngold. You'll get better information from huffing paint (and suffer less brain damage in doing so).

Your first problem is claiming that you didn't have any time to answer your own question before it was asked. You had time to pose your ridiculous question on here.

You could - and should - have used that time to save yourself the embarrassment of coming across as a stupid man's agent provocateur.

And your feelings - insofar as you have feelings to hurt - are worth less to me than a bag of soiled diapers in comparison to the topic at hand. You poor, poor thing.

[Edited by Brian A. Reed (6/14/2016 9:12:33 PM)]

g and g has already proven himself to be a god damn liar. Remember his ex had sex with Bill Clinton?! This is the same idiot who supports Trump BECAUSE he's going to start a race war. This latest little blurb from this idiot's pitiful little ultra right wing mind dove tails nicely into his race war bullsh!t.

Now gunsngold, How about a link to that ABC news story?

Oh. And kudos to Trump for "predicting" this atrocity.

Well, Tucker frankly nobody really wants to even talk about the real problem.

I'm not going to win any awards today for congenitally, but since nearly all of the mass shootings begin as "thoughts" perhaps the first "assault weapons" we ought to ban or discontinue using are the books of the Abrahamic faiths.

I am usually vehemently opposed to banning books. However, when you look objectively at the damage the thoughts from these books have inspired and "justified" through the centuries, the logical conclusion is they are as responsible as any AK47 and need to go.

If we are serious about eliminating sources of hateful inspiration we need to give these books the heave-ho.

I've also suggested "pray for the victims of "insert city of latest shooting here" is nothing more than code for "assuage your guilt and cognitive dissonance anyway you can". Prayer is a cop-out used by those who don't want to get their hands dirty.

Frankly, we need to quit praying! We need to let the pain and discomfort of 103 people being killed or wounded motivate us to change our culture. As Fredrick Douglass once said: "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will."

Now is not a time for prayer and licking our collective wounds. We should feel pain and anguish. The way to deal with it is NOT praying to some apparent powerless deity that didn't see fit to prevent this or any of the other outbursts of violence.

Now is the time to storm the halls of power and demand change and not give up until change has been obtained. The pain of this event should motivate us to put people,planet,and peace ahead of profit. Prayer has little place or function in bringing actual change to our planet and culture.

But everybody just seems to be going to their village vigil to wash this out of their minds so we can do all again in the 3rd quarter of the year. Very sad. Let the down voting begin...

Info wars only carried the link, the story is from main line CBS or ABC news. Read the entire post, Brian. I don't believe much of what Alex jones says, but it would appear he is now more credible than CBS. And I am Daniel Allen 815 n 2nd st.

Hannah said::
If the gunning down of 50 human beings who were dancing doesn't get YOUR panties in a bunch, I've got some excellent counsellors I can introduce you to, because your empathy organ appears to be broken.

I don't even try to sympathize with queers. Don't be a queer and people whom don't like queeers will not shoot you. They are now meeting God for their second phase of punishment in the hereafter. May God have mercy on their souls.

[Edited by gunsngold (6/15/2016 7:44:01 AM)]

[Edited by gunsngold (6/15/2016 7:44:54 AM)]

[Edited by gunsngold (6/15/2016 7:49:00 AM)]

Ordinarily I won't make it personal, but I'll make an exception in this case..

Screw you Bridgier. You know what you can do with your condescending s**t.

You want to be angry at something? Be angry at the fact that 49 more are dead and the last words they ever heard were:

"Allahu Akbar"

Oddjob:

When you're dead, you're dead.

I'm sure it would be so much better to be killed by someone like your fellow racist Dylann Roof, huh?

Oh, and I had hoped that Daniel Allen, (someone who wants you to entrust your children into his care for the purposes of learning ice skating), would have the courage of his convictions to keep his post about 'fags' and 'homos' burning in hell unedited.

This god you're constantly prattling on about sounds like a real asshole, particularly for someone who's supposed to be running the whole of existence. I guess we'll see who gets the bigger surprise come judgement day. As you have judged, so you will be judged, or something like that. Good luck.

"I don't even try to sympathize with queers. Don't be a queer and people whom don't like queeers will not shoot you. They are now meeting God for their second phase of punishment in the hereafter. May God have mercy on their souls."

If only you possessed the courage to say that and sign your name to it. You are a small, fearful coward of a human being and I pity you. I pity you for your fear-based belief in a fictional deity and I pity you for your lack of empathy and Humanity toward your fellow human beings.

If you are so sure that you're correct in your views, OWN your statement. If you have such a problem with non-heterosexual people - "queers," as you derisively have referred to them - and feel that you're in the right here, then why not sign your name to your words, tough guy?

If you're too ashamed of your own name to use it, then tell me why anyone should listen to a goddamned word you say? As for me, my name is Brian Reed. I am bisexual and an atheist and I am not afraid of the likes of you. Step on up, coward.

You want to be angry at something? Be angry at the fact that 49 more are dead and the last words they ever heard were:

"Allahu Akbar"

I'm angry that they're dead, I'm angry that we're all just waiting for the next white man having a bad day/month/life to decide that TODAY IS THE DAY, and I'm angry that the only thing you can see is MUSLIM BAD.

Don't you have a hill in the Bear Ears to die on? Don't let me slow you down.

Ah, I missed that you posted your name, Daniel Allen. I hope that someday I have the opportunity to meet you and shake your hand. Or piss in your face. Or mock you in person. I'll be sure to give you a "Grape Job!" sticker and pat your tiny little head. Way to go, Sport!

Well, Tucker, is it everything you were hoping for?

The fact that any human being can say the sort of horrible things being said by conservatives and religious nuts are what make me weep for humanity.

Innocent people died.

Any decent human being should be horrified and grieved by the slaughter. Period. People died because of bigotry and insanity and religion and gun culture and violent entitled masculinity. People who shouldn't have died were slaughtered. People who should have been allowed to live their lives as they wished.

Anyone who isn't sickened by it or who uses the murders to further justify their hatred and bigotry should just shut the intercourse up.

Speech by Utah Lt. Governor Spencer Cox (R):

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=...as-changed

Rarely am I speechless.

Brian read my post, my full name and address is included. This is a culture clash, and homosexuals need to realize that radical leftist will feed them to Islam for the "greater good" of their global agenda.

I am against queers and their lifestyle, because it promotes sexual misconduct and gives a bad example for the youngest and most impressionable in our society.


SIGNED Daniel K Allen

[Edited by gunsngold (6/15/2016 12:00:57 PM)]

G and G, I resent being called a Commie, I am a socialist. As for your statement,

"I don't even try to sympathize with queers. Don't be a queer and people whom don't like queeers will not shoot you. They are now meeting God for their second phase of punishment in the hereafter. May God have mercy on their souls."

Whatever diety you have created must be very proud of you for the hate that you seem so proud of. Will we be seeing your name in the news for having the courage to act on your statement? I will be sure and include you in my prayers. Oh wait, I'm an atheist.

What is it about MC dot com that causes me to reduce myself to childish sarcasm? This is not where I hoped this thread to go, when first posted. I was hoping for a frank exchange between mature, intelligent people. Is that no longer possible on this site?

QUEER; strange; odd.
"she had a queer feeling that they were being watched"
synonyms: odd, strange, unusual, funny, peculiar, curious, bizarre, weird, uncanny, freakish, eerie, unnatural

G and G, I find you gueeer queer, strange; odd, unusual, funny, peculiar, curious, bizarre, weird, uncanny, freakish, eerie, unnatural.

Hmm... So once again we're not going to address the elephant in the room which underlies the beliefs Mr. Allen has put forward on sexual biology he doesn't understand. Sad.

I don't hate anyone.
Why do all liberals suggest that anyone with an opinion other than theirs must feel so out of hate or fear.

I think its because liberals only recognize fear and hate, since that's where their true roots lie. Scared little people running with the collective pack, to afraid to stand alone. I pity you mislead goy.

No one gets out of life alive, may we all be given the chance to stand in judgement, and say we did it the right way, and spoke against the wrong way.

Tab A in slot B is a very basic description of the proper way to be with a partner for reproduction. And yes that means one man and one women must be involved.

I am sorry.
Why people cannot choose to be kind I will never understand. It isn't hard.

I am sorry, Daniel.

In the words of Lt. Gov Cox above: "We love you. I love you."

And really, that should be enough, shouldn't it?

gunsngold wrote:

I don't even try to sympathize with queers. Don't be a queer and people whom don't like queeers will not shoot you. They are now meeting God for their second phase of punishment in the hereafter. May God have mercy on their souls.

I'm trying to keep my composure while I type this.

So, you're essentially saying that these "queers" are to blame for their own deaths. It's their fault for being who they are. Do I have that right?

"I don't even try to sympathize with queers. Don't be a queer and people whom don't like queeers will not shoot you."

You very clearly don't like 'queeers'. Are you, since you can't sympathize with the victims, sympathizing with the shooter?

You are, with this statement, condoning what occurred. Sympathizing with what occurred.

Do I have that correct?

We knew Danny A was a loathsome bigot before this.

We knew Oddy was a loathsome bigot before this.

We have known that they were vile and hateful long before this and that they will be vile and hateful long after this

So I say we ignore their vile hatefulness and never respond to either of them ever again.

I say we only respond to decent human beings who are capable of empathy, of pity, and of kindness.

What does Mr. Daniel K Allen do for a living? I want to make sure that I avoid it like the plague.

Read the posts; it's mentioned.

MCMT59301 wrote:

What does Mr. Daniel K Allen do for a living? I want to make sure that I avoid it like the plague.

Mr. Allen has used a number of aliases on the site. In any case, he previously stated the following.

Daniel K. Allen (a/k/a 'Brandy Allen' a/k/a 'gunsngold') wrote:

I run a roller skating rink, as well as train a couple boxers. I am very happy to provide a safe environment for the kids of MC, and the adults. Nothing more American than a night out with the family.

I am also glad that I am in a position to give solid Christian advice to young folks whom may otherwise make a poor decision, without the benefit of a moral compass.

http://milescity.com/foru...748#363062

Wow!

One thing I love about owning a business is being able to refuse service to anyone...

Dan Allen - consider yourself 86'ed from the Trails Inn. I don't know if you ever come in or not, and I quite frankly don't care.

I don't want my gay staff or gay customers to have to see your face while they're trying to work or have dinner or a drink. I most certainly don't want my staff to have to wait on you.

You're a sad, sad, hateful person. We don't tolerate people who spew hate in our establishment.

-Dan Rice

Honestly, I am saddened and disappointed by what I am reading here.

I have a question; is anyone else besides myself interested in HELPING Mr. Allen (or Mr. Oddy) understand WHY they might be wrong and WHY a progressive perspective would be superior to their own

Don't get me wrong. I am not defending Mr. Allen's obnoxious statements. I think his statement about "queers" is very very wrong. That said, simply SHOUTING "FUKC YOU" isn't going to bring the change to him or the community which would be helpful. I am not so far removed to remember being on his side of the isle.

I think it might be helpful to consider WHY Mr. Allen might believe and behave in the manner we have all observed. I don't want to engage in idle speculation here, but what if he has been a victim of some sort of sexual malfeasants? Perhaps his lashing out is a defense mechanism to deal with hurts from the past. Add to this stew the quasi-christianity craploa from Alex Jones and the confusion and noise in his head is likely overwhelming. Seperating yourself from talk radio is difficult. It is an addiction just like smoking. There are likely chemical brain processes involved. Turning off Rush Limbaugh was a challenge for me and took several years to overcome. Honestly, Rush calling Sandra Fluke a slut was the final straw for me.

My guess is Mr. Allen's issues are not just one thing, its probably a large ball of inter-twined yarn. Again, I don't know anything here, but his outbursts actually seem like a cry for help. And maybe I am completely wrong and his is just a genuine a$$hat. It seems like the prudent thing to do is to help him where we can.

Regardless of the situation, we can't all be posting memes about kindness on our Facebook pages and then talking this kind of trash here on MC.com. To do so would be hypocritical. It's an acceptable thing to firmly challenge a persons beliefs. It's not acceptable to simply shout obscenities at someone, hope he gets the message, and changes. If we want change in our society it happens heart by heart and it starts with being kind. Mr. Allen deserves the opportunity to become a better and more progressive individual.

IMO, we are better than the sludge which has been flung here.

Oh boy are you wrong about being able to refuse service as a business owner. There is a cross dressing transgender thing here in town, which came to my establishment on several occasions. I received no less than two complaints each time from other customers about him scaring them and freaking them out. Now I did not kick this mislead soul out, but I should have. No I am forced by a government to accept him as a customer even if the kids are scared of him. Now thanks to this site, and I mean thanks, a couple of homosexuals called me today and said they will not be coming back to our business. I said to them what I say to you "beat it". If you think Abortion is not murder, don't come in my business, if you think patriots are more evil than Islamic terrorist, don't come to my business. If you think Transgenders need to be in the bathroom with my kids or the kids that come to my skating rink "Beat it". If I had the funds this business would be Christian only and memberships would be required.

I don't say that out of hate for those whom kill babies, I say that out of love for the unborn babies. I don't say Islamic extremist are evil out of hate for them, I say it out of love for the soldiers that died fighting them. I don't hate trans genders, I just love the children whom are being mislead by their perverted ways.

[Edited by gunsngold (6/15/2016 7:52:40 PM)]

Ah, I see that you aren't a legal scholar.

I can't refuse service to a person if they are a member of a protected class, for the reason that they are a member of a protected class. Race and gender.

Luckily, "insensitive jerk" isn't a protected class.

D rice, I don't drink, never been to the TI. I have heard that's the place where the meth heads score at. Why is it still open?

[Edited by gunsngold (6/15/2016 7:57:18 PM)]

You're just a touch behind the times I think. It's the "cleanest" bar in town.

And you're coming up with this crap while you're sober? Amazing.

I was angry and disappointed when I wrote yesterday's post. More elegant and palatable are the words penned by Hunter S Thompson.

"Sounds of life and movement, people getting ready and people giving up, the sound of hope and the sound of hanging on, and behind them all, the quiet, deadly ticking of a thousand hungry clocks..."

Keep it civil, bitches.

I'm not going to comment on Orlando. It's heartbreaking.

I just want Daniel to stop using the word "whom". Please, you don't know how to use it correctly.

THIS!

Tucker, I agree wholeheartedly, keep it civil. I miss you btw, but that aside.
I have never done anything like this before, but I felt compelled to answer in this situation. What I read from g + g goes against everything I have worked to become in my adult life. Kindness and compassion are so important... so here we go. I will probably regret this but hey....

I saw bits and pieces of this thread posted on fb tonight and for the first five minutes or so I was speechless, a rare thing I assure you. Bigotry hiding behind the guise of Christianity, hatred in the name of God.... these are nothing new unfortunately. While a very large part of me would like to respond with anger and a healthy dose of salty language, I will attempt to follow my friend Tuckers advice and keep it civil.

Mr. Allen, I cannot fathom what it must be like to live inside your head. You say you do not hate people who live a different lifestyle than the one you feel is correct. I can say that when I read your thoughts all I see is intolerance, bigotry and hatred. In our country you are allowed, guaranteed, the right to live your life as you see fit, as long as you follow the laws set in place. You are thereby allowed to live your...narrow life. The operative word here is LIVE. No one has the right to take another's life....correct? I am pretty sure Moses clarified this for Christians early on. Yet you clearly state, "don't be a queer if you don't want to get shot by people who hate queers." This is certainly not a statement that condemns murder now is it? It could just as easily be a statement that read, don't be an angry, petty, bigoted white guy if you don't want rational, intelligent adultlike people hating on you....a lot.

The world, and I know this may be a hard concept for you, but the world is made up of many religions, all as varied and different as the people who practice them. Accept the fact that we are all different, accept the fact that you might not have all the answers, if fact I'd say there is a pretty good chance you don't. Look at this as the horribly sad tragedy that it is. These people had people. People that loved them, people who are devastated by their loss. People who's lives are changed forever, mothers, fathers, best friends and children, and don't you dare say they are better off without them. You are in no position to judge, none. That indeed is left to a higher power...for reasons that should begin to clear up for you.

Lastly, don't hide behind the statement, "why do people always assume you hate them when you don't agree with their beliefs". (Not sure if that is a direct quote but it's the gist of it.) The assumption of hate is not made by your loudly proclaimed beliefs as much as it by your interpretation of said beliefs. Your petty insults to another business owner, perhaps you should wear a bracelet with W.W.J.D. on it to remind you to think before you speak, especially when you are a self-appointed front man for Christians and conservatives.

Bottom line, people of any kind should never, ever be shot in cold blood, for any reason. I hate stating the obvious, but I will. I have dear friends and dear relatives who belong to the LGBT community, I love them and I will defend them with the same zelousness as I will all my dear people. I will teach my children and my children's children, and their children as well that ALL human life is valuable and should be treated as such. Even you Mr. Allen do not deserve to be shot down in cold blood, fortunately as an American I have the right to have nothing to do with you or your commercial operations, nor you with mine.

Richard (and Tucker), please quit trying to appeal to the better angels of my nature.

My head is fine, its the confused cross dressing LGBT groups that have Identity issues. I on the other hand am very pleased with my life and family. I have been blessed with a beautiful wife of upstanding moral fiber. I have kids which all give me their best each day. And I have a small but loyal group of friends to spend time with. I do tend to make people with unorthodoxical tendencies feel uncomfortable, which is great for me. Because you can not please everyone all the time. Furthermore I have plans to purchase a few acres here in the next few months, and build a nice home and a private skating facility and boxing gym on my own property. Then I can enjoy skating without having to explain to the kids why some guy is acting like a girl in the corner due to him not knowing who he is. A nation without an Identity is lost and LGBT's prove that.

Standing for something in this day an age is a hard thing to do, most people "the silent majority" just try to vote their conscience. I on the other hand I vote my conscience and speak it. I will not let your form of twisted progress dictate my values or those values which will effect my kids or grandkids. I pity you mislead souls which can not figure out how to make love in the proper way. Maybe if you keep pointing the finger enough at those of the traditional beliefs, you can change the way mankind reproduces, but I doubt it.

G and G, Reproducing is a large part of the problem.

gunsngold wrote:

If I had the funds this business would be Christian only

I am pretty sure you keep up the rhetoric, you will get your wish...

and find out that a lot of Christians won't support your hate...

[Edited by MCMT59301 (6/16/2016 8:56:13 AM)]

I don't hate anyone. I hope everyone has the same fair chance to do the righteous things in life. That is equality not hate. You make decisions, and if you expect everyone to agree with your decisions, you are not living in reality.

Not everyone will agree with my stance on traditional marriage, or abortions etc, but that's OK. I will still pray for them, because I have compassion for my fellow man and women. But don't mistake my compassion for acceptance of immorality.

I'm sure that the "queers" (who you advise to stop being "queers" if they don't want to get shot by people who don't like "queers" and who you clearly state that you have no sympathy in the wake of 100+ of them getting shot) would disagree that you don't hate them.

"No, really, I love all you queers! I mean, I don't care if you get shot - you asked for it, being queer and all. I have no sympathy for you - even when you get gunned down. And the whole 'phase 2' punishment that follows, well, you deserve that too. But of course I don't hate you."

Gimmeafrickingbreak.

Hold up! Did you just say that you believe in equality?

Ha!

Stephen Colbert does a great job of explaining Donald Trump's pathetic response to the tragedy in Orlando.

Top Republicans join President Obama in condemning Trump’s words. Does Trump even know what the U.S. Constitution says? Given his recent comments, apparently not!

https://www.washingtonpos...story.html

Trump says it all, Islamic terrorist.

[Edited by gunsngold (6/16/2016 11:40:04 AM)]

Just what is phase two? Is it that batcrap crazy sci fi stuff in Revelation? You know, the pale horse, the seven hills. I forget the order of things. The trumpets sound first and then God and Satan take turns doing weird stuff to the dead and the living for a thousand years, right? Or.....am I thinking of the Necronomicon?

Perhaps we we will never reach a conclusion that is absolute. Think about Karl Poppers, Philosophical assertion.

Verisimilitude (or truthlikeness) is a philosophical concept that distinguishes between the relative and apparent (or seemingly so) truth and falsity of assertions and hypotheses.[1] The problem of verisimilitude is the problem of articulating what it takes for one false theory to be closer to the truth than another false theory.

Was the gunman, with a bunch of virgins awaiting his arrival and G and G, in the right by ridding the earth forty-nine homosexuals, simply because they were homosexuals?

Are the people, who embrace the belief that all people have a right to make their own choices and believe that everyone has that same right, correct?

If we believe Poppers theory, is this all a big waste of time?

Just watch TV's Supernatural. It's all right there.

All of you against GnG are a bunch of liberal dbags.. I hate. I hate you all. I hate queers, blacks, muslims, mexicans, asians, and any other person that is different from me. I hate people with brown eyes and black hair. I'm an American and have every right to hate spics, fags, and any other person I feel like. I'm no christian, and am in fact agnostic. You are all judging GnG cause he doesn't believe the same as you, well neither do I. Stupid liberals. I don't give a damn about the 49 dead, not because they were homos, but because I just don't care. I didn't know any of them and MUCH worse things have happened. Quit whinning about a bunch of dead rug munchers and penis grabbers. You all have nothing better to do then sympathize for a bunch of people you don't even know? Get a intercoursing life. Worry about people you hold close and quit comparing this unfortunate incident to the BS in your own life. It's fully unrelated.

Oh yeah and Vote Trump, haha!

MMoore54 wrote:

All of you against GnG are a bunch of liberal dbags.. I hate. I hate you all. I hate queers, blacks, muslims, mexicans, asians, and any other person that is different from me. I hate people with brown eyes and black hair. I'm an American and have every right to hate spics, fags, and any other person I feel like. I'm no christian, and am in fact agnostic. You are all judging GnG cause he doesn't believe the same as you, well neither do I. Stupid liberals. I don't give a damn about the 49 dead, not because they were homos, but because I just don't care. I didn't know any of them and MUCH worse things have happened. Quit whinning about a bunch of dead rug munchers and penis grabbers. You all have nothing better to do then sympathize for a bunch of people you don't even know? Get a intercoursing life. Worry about people you hold close and quit comparing this unfortunate incident to the BS in your own life. It's fully unrelated.

Oh yeah and Vote Trump, haha!I'm a big ugly troll.

There, fixed it for you.

So maybe I am a hideous troll, but this useless banter makes me sick. Get a life people. Quit babbling on and on about things that don't concern you. I believe you are all a bunch of gossiping trolls. Judge and be judged.

I posted this on Facebook a couple of days ago. It seems appropriate here.

"I hate raspberries!" "Isn't that strong emotion for raspberries?", the daughter replied. "No. I hate them", the mother stated. Just a tidbit from a conversation I overheard in Lucky's Market in Billings yesterday. I have to agree with the daughter. To put that kind of negative energy into anything seems excessive.
Unfortunately, it seems to be the way of the world. We are thriving on 'hate'. Hating those with different skin color, different faiths, different clothes, different preferences--sexual, food, ideas. Why? Why are we investing so much energy into hate?

I chanced upon the PRIDE parade while I was in downtown Spokane Saturday. All of these people coming together to support the LGBQT community. Heterosexual people, gay people, single people. Health centers, faith communities, congressional candidates. Young, old and in-between. A rainbow of beautiful colors, people and preferences. Of course, in the middle of it, on a trailer, with a megaphone and loudspeakers was a hate-filled man. Calling them sinners. Telling them they were going to burn in hell.
I'm a cradle Catholic and have always had a very strong faith. A year ago I stood in support of the Supreme Court's decision to make gay marriage legal. I have friends who are gay. I think if you are lucky enough to find one person in this life to love and who loves you in return--you are blessed!!! You should be able to marry. One of my "so-called friends" decided to tell my parish priest that I stood in support of gay marriage on Facebook. (Apparently, they didn't follow me very closely as it wasn't the first time. Maybe it was the fact that I included that they upheld the Affordable Care Act.) My parish priest immediately suspended me from being able to share Eucharist in my parish. My heart was broken. Eucharist, and being able to share it with others in my parish, is very important to me. Had he approached me with love, compassion, tolerance and forgiveness, I may have had greater respect for his viewpoint. Instead, it was done with intolerance and lack of respect for me as an individual.

I just think if we could approach each other with love, compassion, tolerance and kindness we would live in such a better world. We'd have better relationships. Our days would be so much better. My friend, Eran Thompson, called me on a meme I posted yesterday.
It said, "Make America kind again". He asked, "When was America ever kind?" It made me sad. Because thinking about it, I realized it was true. We have been a world of HATE for a long time.

I think we can change that. Each one of us. One by one. If just each one of my friends vowed that for the next week they were only going to treat others with LOVE, COMPASSION, TOLERANCE, RESPECT and KINDNESS, imagine how much better our world would be. I encounter roughly fifty to one hundred people on any given day. I vow to treat them only with LOVE. I will open doors. I will pay compliments. I will smile. And I will look them in the eye while I am doing it. I will mean it. If you see or hear me doing otherwise, call me on it.

Don't say you hate anyone or anything. Yes, I HATE intolerance. But if I focus on that fact, then I create that atmosphere of hate and the rest of my world falls into that. Instead, I support tolerance. Can you do that?

I'll admit the one thing I have to change. I keep calling Donald Trump an idiot. I don't hate him. I won't invest that kind of energy into him. And my friend, Linda Lang, said, "He's not an idiot. He's saying what people want to hear." I don't believe we want to hear that hate that he spews. He's no different than the man at the PRIDE parade. If they would both turn their energy into LOVE, COMPASSION, TOLERANCE, RESPECT and KINDNESS, they would both reach more people.

Just a week. Try it. Let me know if you're with me. We'll keep each other built up with LOVE! Don't hate raspberries. Their not worth it.
(I apologize for rambling. I've just had these thoughts for days and had to get them out. I don't think I've written an essay since college. Don't hate me. And don't hate raspberries.)

And a comment I posted later:

What I would have said about the Orlando situation is that until we as a nation decide that no citizen needs to own an assault rifle the violence isn't going to change. If the shooter hadn't had an assault rifle he could not have killed fifty and injured fifty three. And I know people say "Guns don't kill people, people do." But if that person doesn't have a gun it certainly cuts down on the people he can kill. I read Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords book after my niece Keli gave it to me for Christmas. Two well-respected Republicans calling for better gun control laws. So far I've not heard that anyone I know has been asked for their guns. My dad, brother, brother-in-law and nephew all own guns--for hunting. They are unloaded in the house. They respect the power of the weapon and treat it with great respect. The NRA needs to wake up--they are part of the problem. They need to be part of the solution.

Ahhhh, there is nothing quite so satisfying as engaging an intelligent exchange of ideas with like minded, critical thinkers. MMoore54 is, in fact nothing like that.

gypsykim wrote:

What I would have said about the Orlando situation is that until we as a nation decide that no citizen needs to own an assault rifle the violence isn't going to change. If the shooter hadn't had an assault rifle he could not have killed fifty and injured fifty three. And I know people say "Guns don't kill people, people do." But if that person doesn't have a gun it certainly cuts down on the people he can kill. I read Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords book after my niece Keli gave it to me for Christmas. Two well-respected Republicans calling for better gun control laws. So far I've not heard that anyone I know has been asked for their guns. My dad, brother, brother-in-law and nephew all own guns--for hunting. They are unloaded in the house. They respect the power of the weapon and treat it with great respect. The NRA needs to wake up--they are part of the problem.

Ok, ARs are the problem? Seriously? If he didn't have access to an AR he could have made a bomb out of readily available substances that CANNOT be banned because they are primarily used for legitimate purposes.

Then everyone in the club would be dead. Grow some logic. ARs are primarily for protection.

MMoore54 wrote:

gypsykim wrote:

What I would have said about the Orlando situation is that until we as a nation decide that no citizen needs to own an assault rifle the violence isn't going to change. If the shooter hadn't had an assault rifle he could not have killed fifty and injured fifty three. And I know people say "Guns don't kill people, people do." But if that person doesn't have a gun it certainly cuts down on the people he can kill. I read Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords book after my niece Keli gave it to me for Christmas. Two well-respected Republicans calling for better gun control laws. So far I've not heard that anyone I know has been asked for their guns. My dad, brother, brother-in-law and nephew all own guns--for hunting. They are unloaded in the house. They respect the power of the weapon and treat it with great respect. The NRA needs to wake up--they are part of the problem.

Ok, ARs are the problem? Seriously? If he didn't have access to an AR he could have made a bomb out of readily available substances that CANNOT be banned because they are primarily used for legitimate purposes.

Then everyone in the club would be dead. Grow some logic. ARs are primarily for protection.

No, the only reason you need an AR is to shoot a bunch of rounds and kill a lot of people in a short amount of time. Nobody NEEDS an AR, not even the cops. They should be banned. Only after a deer fly lands on your testicles do you figure out the biggest hammer or most force isn't always the best option.

For those 49 people who died the fifty three injured and the other couple hundred terrorized my heart breaks for them and the families. Regardless of race or sexual orientation they were people and nobody deserves to die like that,terrified and while surrounded by people alone. To all of those people who died and those who need to heal physically, emotionally or both I light a candle for you.


Oh and a quote I heard the other day that I think applies here...

"The problem with closed minded people is their mouth is always open."

Ooooh, a nice shiny new user name! I'm sure that's not a coincidence though.

You're a man of many user names.

D.rice not a new user name I've had this name for years I just don't usually post I'm sure the beloved webmaster can verify this and if you are the d rice I think you are you have known me since I was 12 I went to the lurthren church and got in trouble cause I bit the pastor's son and graduated with his daughter if I remember right I do be live you are the older brother but that was a long time ago if you read my post i am supporting those victims not the hateful man who basically said they deserved it

simplyme wrote:

not a new user name I've had this name for years I just don't usually post I'm sure the beloved webmaster can verify this

Anyone can click your username. Your profile page shows when your account was created.

I think President Obama was so right when he said yesterday in Orlando:

"So if there was ever a moment for all of us to reflect and reaffirm our most basic beliefs that everybody counts and everybody has dignity, now is the time. It's a good time for all of us to reflect on how we treat each other, and to insist on respect and equality for every human being.

We have to end discrimination and violence against our brothers and sisters who are in the LGBT community -- here at home and around the world, especially in countries where they are routinely persecuted. We have to challenge the oppression of women, wherever it occurs -- here or overseas. There’s only “us” -- Americans.

Here in Orlando, in the men and women taken from us, those who loved them, we see some of the true character of this country -- the best of humanity coming roaring back; the love and the compassion and the fierce resolve that will carry us through not just through this atrocity, but through whatever difficult times may confront us."

Watch President Obama's speech at:

https://www.whitehouse.go...ng-orlando

Read President Obama's entire speech at:

https://www.whitehouse.go...ment-press

I'm sure Mr. Rice was referring to MMoore54, not simplyme.

Bridgier wrote:

I'm sure Mr. Rice was referring to MMoore54, not simplyme.

Oh, okay.

Well, MMoore54 posted through the AT&T mobile network from Texarkana, TX. And simplyme is someone else from MC. Neither one is likely Mr. Allen. I believe he's been sticking to his gunsngold alias.

It usually takes Chicago an entire month to murder that many of their own.But they are consistent and do it every month.I think Obama is from there.

Finally Mr. ZZZZzzzz and I are in agreeance!! Take away ALL THE GUNS!!

Not sure why it's important to note that Mr. Obama is from Chicago, but I'll just chalk that up to the prions and move on.

Bridgier

I would rather you not distort my words or embellish them in any way.It is important to note that Obama is from Chicago because he was a community organizer there and I believe a senator.Still that does not saddle him with any blame for the violence in Chicago because he probably never showed up for either one of those jobs anyway.

Words are difficult and slippery little beasts, aren't they?

simplyme wrote:

D.rice not a new user name I've had this name for years I just don't usually post I'm sure the beloved webmaster can verify this and if you are the d rice I think you are you have known me since I was 12 I went to the lurthren church and got in trouble cause I bit the pastor's son and graduated with his daughter if I remember right I do be live you are the older brother but that was a long time ago if you read my post i am supporting those victims not the hateful man who basically said they deserved it

I was speaking to the troll, above - not you. Sorry for the confusion.

Also - I had a thought for Mr. Allen.

I assume - if you're not a hypocrite - that you would also advise the Christians who are being persecuted in the Middle East to quit being Christians if they don't like having their heads chopped off by people who don't like Christians. Right?

And this seems even easier, as religion is most certainly a personal choice, and not something you're born with.

A persons walk with the lord is certainly a personal relationship. Their are liberals in every religion and conservatives in every religion.

Also I thought Chicago was a gun free zone, shouldnt be any gun violence there according to you liberal believers.

But Orthodox people see things a little clearer than you in my opinion. Orthodox or "conservatives" see that strict guns laws are disarming legal gun owners. While illegal gun owners don't care anyways, hence the word illegal.

People who claim to be "Christians" should probably follow Christ or what is the point. Christ preached love, acceptance and forgiveness, none of which is apparent in any form with the self-professed Orthodox Christian in this thread. I would think that Christ would take a dim view of his follower in this thread especially since Christ was known to live and dine with undesirables like prostitutes and lepers when he was alive. If you are Christian and you can't or won't follow Christ's teachings what does that make you?

There is an odd mixture of opposing ideals in the new and old testaments. As a Christian I can either identify with the orthodox views or the new testament views when I see them as opposing each other. That is part of my personal walk with Christ. Some times I do stand with the new testament, against the old testament, on matters such as women rights, I am very liberal, or matters such as stoning people to death, I am even more liberal. Stoning should be illegal period, and women should not be slaves. But on matters such as homosexual acts, and abortions I will remain conservative and take the stance of the old testament. whether I choose the old testament or the new testament when the two intersect is between me and Christ.

The government is not needed to define what I believe, that is between me and God.

I must say that even before this thread, I looked up some of you "good folks" and two of you had posted on your pages that all Christians should be killed.

If a Christian puts the old testament over Jesus, I think that makes them Jewish does it not? If you pick the old testament over Jesus why bother believing in Jesus?

Plus if you are going to accuse someone of saying all Christians should die, you better provide some proof.

I see the problem now g and g wants people to be accepting of his beliefs yet he's not willing to be excepting of anyone else's. My favorite rule as a child and still today is the thumper rule " if you can't say some thing nice don't say nothing at all" now can't say I'm perfect and follow this rule to the t but I'm just saying gandg if you want to be excepted as a holy roller go for it but I don't want to hear poo if I decide to worship the tree in my back yard. Just remember your not perfect.

Sorry rant over

gunsngold wrote:

A persons walk with the lord is certainly a personal relationship. Their are liberals in every religion and conservatives in every religion.

Also I thought Chicago was a gun free zone, shouldnt be any gun violence there according to you liberal believers.

But Orthodox people see things a little clearer than you in my opinion. Orthodox or "conservatives" see that strict guns laws are disarming legal gun owners. While illegal gun owners don't care anyways, hence the word illegal.

-Since when are "Orthodox" and "Conservative" synonymous? The founding fathers were actually liberals.

-Something becomes Orthodox because the victorious get to write history and impose their view on society. Orthodoxy has little in common with truth.

[Edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (6/17/2016 9:20:21 PM)]

The truth about queers from their own mouths. They never wanted equal rights, they wanted a pulpit to indoctrinate the next generation of kids. This kids doesn't like dressing in women's clothes, and they still force it on him, this is child abuse and they should face charges.

Gender non conforming means !!! CONFUSED!!!

Mr. Allen, did you even watch this video? It was very obvious to me that the parents of Atticus will be respectful of his choices now and always. They aren't dressing him in tutus.

funsnfold said:

"But on matters such as homosexual acts, and abortions I will remain conservative and take the stance of the old testament. whether I choose the old testament or the new testament when the two intersect is between me and Christ.

The government is not needed to define what I believe, that is between me and God."

I am curious why you would base your biases about homosexuality on the revelations of people who didn't understand where the sun went at night?

Further, is the issue of "revelation knowledge" itself. As Thomas Paine wrote in 1794, "Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication. It cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.” Your belief is based on the claim something was revealed to somebody a long time ago and there is no way to verify the claim. The "bible tells me so" is part of the claim and not proof of anything.

As David Niose points out: "Same-sex attraction and orientation are natural phenomena, seen widely http://www.yalescientific...sexuality/ in the animal world, and need not be feared or censured. From a cultural and historical perspective, we can understand that some societies have accepted homosexuality while others have condemned it, but there is simply no justification for intolerance in any free society today".
http://davidniose.com/orl...-religion/

MCMT59301 said:

If a Christian puts the old testament over Jesus, I think that makes them Jewish does it not? If you pick the old testament over Jesus why bother believing in Jesus?

The problem here is Jesus was not himself a Christian. He was a zealous Jew who live according to the Torah. Christianity is an invention of someone other than Jesus.

[Edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (6/18/2016 11:09:10 AM)]

Well, Mr and Mrs Allen:

I saw the things people have written on Facebook as well as the things you wrote yourselves. I still don't have a Facebook page, but had the honor of having it brought to my attention by a coworker.

Lesson 1: your business page on Facebook is PUBLIC. Anyone can write anything they want and the only recourse you have is to take the critisism or close the page. When you decide to utilize social media as a business, that is the liability you take on.

You chose to use your business page to further air your opinions, connecting your business life with your personal life. I'm afraid the damage has been done and I cannot imagine a business staying open after what was said. In the same way conservatives have boycotted Target, I'm afraid you are in for the same fate, wth the exception that Target has far more support than you ever will.

When you make PERSONAL attacks against individuals in the town, you are even further damning yourself.

Lesson 2: your argument that you could sue the people posting there is absolutely true. You could sue. Sadly for you, no laws have been broken. That's the thing about slander and libel, If what is being posted on your business page is false, sure you have a case. If people are just posting your own words and discussing them, your case will most certainly be thrown out. Any legitimate court would find that the irreparable damage to your business ORIGINATED with your own words. You may have freedom of speech, but you do not have protection from the damage your speech causes. Tough luck.

You could always consider suing yourselves.

Lesson 3: The Internet is forever. You may post things and then delete them, but I assure you they've already been captured for eternity. There is no going back. When you throw a fit about personal attacks, remember it is YOU that welcomed them by posting your full name and address on the web and welcoming any contact. You didn't just figuratively ask for it, you literally did.

Lesson 4: This lesson will discuss Capitalism. Money is what allows our society to function. This is why you have a business. When you decide that your opinions are more important than your business' success, you lose the ability to operate and thus loose money. When the event happens in a small town and you are forced to look for work elsewhere, I bid you luck finding ANYONE that will hire you, knowing that you are a liability to their business' reputation. I'm not sure where you belong, but I'm pretty sure it's not in any reputable business. Equal opportunity employment or not, I can only imagine you won't be "right for the position"

Lesson 5: (This is an important one) If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

In conclusion:

I wish you the best of luck in the coming days, weeks, and months. Your children will certainly be in my thoughts as they are innocent bystanders to your rambling insanity. I hope that lessons are learned and that you will use this as an opportunity to better yourselves as human beings.

Signed,

Señor Santos

If every member of the LGBT community would go today and buy an AR-15, this republican congress would pass legislation for a buy-back program and an assault weapons ban by the 4th of July.

I thought you all would be interested in reading "41 Things the Bible Condemns Other than Homosexuality."

https://www.reddit.com/r/...ther_than/

It seems the LGBT community needs to arm themselves.If you can`t figure that out from Orlando you are brain dead.

Peace and love to all!

This say it all, lets blame white Christians that don't follow the world council of churches to fairy land to chase some rainbows. I love my family, I do not love all of the world. I don't love revolutionaries, I don't love killers, and I despise drunkards. I don't love everyone blindly because some false religion tells me too. You fags can love who you want, my respect and love must be earned on an individual basis. You can collectivizes all the religions under one religious order if you want, but you can not collective individual thoughts and opinions. You can not control each mans individual walk with God, or his interpretation of the scripture. I have a scale from 1-10 my kids and wife are 10's my cousins are 9's my friends and others vary from 1-9 depending on qualities such as loyalty, shared ideals, beliefs in a higher power etc. But 0 on my scale is for people I hate, and to this day there has never been a 0. I bet you folks like some people more than others, someone who stabs you in the back would obviously fall down the trustablity scale, hence you would lose some love for them. To say we should all love each other is BS, do you love Jeffery dalmer do you love Hitler? I don't, they are 1's on my list. Take your "love everyone rainbow policy" and shove it, because you are lying to everyone and yourself when you say you love everyone. You love everyone who conforms to your views and that's has been proven to be true time and time again on this site and by all revolutionary progressives.

This is Mrs. Allen and I have never posted in this forum. I think it is a ridiculous waste of time. That being said I have never been ugly or unfair to anyone I have ever met. In fact I have been turn the other check and let God be their judge my whole life. I believe we all he right to live and repent of our sins and be reborn into the kingdom of heaven. I know those without sin should cast the first stone. That being said you are right we will not be running a rink in this area. I have seen the true nature of the snakes in the grass they will bite you regardless of your love or tolerance of them. The day my religious beliefs were brought to the forefront I have been attacked, all my good deeds and self sacrifices have been washed over by people spewing hate at me. But there is one thing you are right about there will no longer be a single place in town other than the parks that kids can go without people drinking around them. Remember Rome fell because of the slothfulness of those reaping the benefits of their forefathers.

gunsngold wrote:

This is Mrs. Allen and I have never posted in this forum. I think it is a ridiculous waste of time. That being said I have never been ugly or unfair to anyone I have ever met. In fact I have been turn the other check and let God be their judge my whole life. I believe we all he right to live and repent of our sins and be reborn into the kingdom of heaven. I know those without sin should cast the first stone. That being said you are right we will not be running a rink in this area. I have seen the true nature of the snakes in the grass they will bite you regardless of your love or tolerance of them. The day my religious beliefs were brought to the forefront I have been attacked, all my good deeds and self sacrifices have been washed over by people spewing hate at me. But there is one thing you are right about there will no longer be a single place in town other than the parks that kids can go without people drinking around them. Remember Rome fell because of the slothfulness of those reaping the benefits of their forefathers.

Let me be the first to say, I'm sorry you feel attacked. But, you can color me confused. You state you have never posted in this forum, so nobody here has said anything to you and you've not said anything to anybody here. You are apparently upset enough to say "The day my religious beliefs were brought to the forefront I have been attacked, all my good deeds and self sacrifices have been washed over by people spewing hate at me."

By definition it wasn't anybody here attacking you as there have been no conversations. So, why are you complaining here?

Funsnfold said:

You fags can love who you want, my respect and love must be earned on an individual basis. You can collectivizes all the religions under one religious order if you want, but you can not collective individual thoughts and opinions. You can not control each mans individual walk with God, or his interpretation of the scripture.

Hmm... that is not a very orthodox thing to say...

You seem to not understand what is going on here. You and your husband have every right to share your beliefs with the world, and guess what the world has the right to react to your beliefs. Then as a business owner sharing your beliefs in a public forum, the public has the right to decide if they are going to be patrons of your business. When you share disrespectful and hateful opinions in a public forum you have to realize some of your patrons are not going to agree with your opinions, and guess what those people are going to refuse to use your business. This doesn't mean they hate you, just as you and your husband claim to not hate people. The one thing that is obvious is your husband has some hateful ideas that a lot of your patrons disagree with to the point they have decided that they won't patronize your business. So if that leads you to decide to close your business then that is YOUR decision, and has nothing to do with how others feel about your husband sharing his vile opinions in a public forum. So it is your decision to throw a temper tantrum and take your toy and go home. Also remember it was your husband, the business owner, that decided to share his opinions in the open for all your customers to see, so you all reaped what you sowed, and I doubt you will get much support for your pity party temper tantrum here or on Facebook for that matter.

The scene of this shooting was a gun free zone.I am sure there were signs up that said This is a gun free zone. Had someone pointed this out to mateen and told him no one here has a gun he would have had to leave or law enforcement would be called.That alone would have prevented this massacre.mateen was in violation and should have been informed.A little diplomacy would have gone a long way.My good friend and openly gay friend "k" who has a stainless steel 5 shot .38 special and an ankle holster would have just taken care of the situation with minimal diplomacy had he been there.

Actually, a man on scene was carrying a gun and engaged in a "gun battle" with the shooter. "An off-duty Orlando Police Department officer in the nightclub's parking lot hears shots fired and sees Omar Mateen near the entrance. They exchange fire, but the officer realizes he is "outgunned" and retreats to call for backup." (Orlando Sentinel)

I guess your good guy with a gun argument holds about as much weight as anything that comes out of Mr. Allen's keyboard.

You said it Griz, the good guy was out gunned. If it were not a gun free zone, possibly other good guys would have been packing heat as well, and they could have been his immediate back-up. Your statement and the sentinels facts prove my point exactly, criminals don't care about your gun free zones. All gun laws are made to disarm the public, bad guys are not going to mind the law.

And Richard I really don't want to get into an online argument with you, not because I don't enjoy a good argument. I know depression is a real issue in life for some, and their are certain people that perceive things harshly, to the point of it causing an emotional problem for them. I know your walk is harder than mine and I don't want to be responsible for another bout of depression for you. Good luck and may the fish you seek be larger than the holes in your net.

If you search for Brandy Allen there are multiple postings under her name.

Wendy Wilson wrote:

If you search for Brandy Allen there are multiple postings under her name.

But if you click on her name it changes to gunsngold same account just changed the name

{ This is the real effects of open border multiculturalism, when are these liberals going to get the refugees in miles city, we know they want them here. All you folks that don't have enough nuts to draw a hard line in your social standards, your sons and daughter will be the ones paying for your inactions.}




Three Syrian refugees reportedly raped a little girl at knifepoint in Idaho before urinating on her body, an incident that prompted furious residents to accuse Twin Falls city council members of covering up the assault.

The sexual assault allegedly took place on June 2, but has received virtually no media attention aside from one vague KMVT report.

However, residents have been circulating what really happened on social media, with the Creeping Sharia blog reporting that the victim was a young girl who was born premature and is “less developed for her age”.




The perpetrators were three Syrian youths aged 8, 10 and 13, with the oldest boy directing the assault.

The little girl was playing outside Fawnbrook apartment buildings when the boys put a knife to her throat and forced her inside a laundry unit. She was then stripped naked, raped and urinated on. The 13-year-old reportedly told the younger boys to urinate on her because they were incapable of ejaculating.

The victim’s grandmother found the victim and then called the girl’s mother, who called the police. The police took 2 and a half hours to arrive but were unable to take any action due to the “language barrier”.

When she arrived, the mother of the alleged rapists was only able to say “no police,” while the father reportedly congratulated his 13-year-old son. Video of the entire assault was captured on the boy’s cellphone.

A follow-up KMTV report revealed that, “the case has officially been sealed by a judge with no chance of it ever being unsealed since all parties involved are minors.”

A video of a Twin Falls council meeting shows irate residents demanding to know why council members have done nothing to address the alleged rape, as well as numerous other issues involving Syrian refugees being housed in the area, including hit and run incidents and Muslims spitting on non-Muslims.

Around 50 Syrian “refugees” are reportedly housed at the Fawnbrook site.

Council members were also grilled as to how a mosque was approved after just 24 hours, whereas a new home application would take at least 2 weeks just to process.

In every instance, the council members claim ignorance as to the severity of the situation, with one even suggesting that residents’ concerns are based on anti-Muslim prejudice and even white supremacism.


The perpetrators were three Syrian youths aged 8, 10 and 13, with the oldest boy directing the assault.

The little girl was playing outside Fawnbrook apartment buildings when the boys put a knife to her throat and forced her inside a laundry unit. She was then stripped naked, raped and urinated on. The 13-year-old reportedly told the younger boys to urinate on her because they were incapable of ejaculating.

False story on social media charges Syrian refugees raped Idaho girl

"A story that’s circulating on social media and anti-Muslim and conspiracy-oriented websites is falsely claiming that three young Syrian refugees raped a young girl at knifepoint at an apartment complex in Twin Falls that supposedly is the site where about 50 Syrian refugees had been resettled – when in fact, no Syrian refugees have been resettled to Twin Falls.

The story also charges that police failed to respond to the alleged incident in a timely fashion, which local authorities also say is false.

“There was no gang rape, there was no Syrian involvement, there were no Syrian refugees involved, there was no knife used, there was no inactivity by the police,” said Twin Falls County Prosecutor Grant Loebs. “I’m looking at the Drudge Report headline: ‘Syrian Refugees Rape Little Girl at Knifepoint in Idaho’ – all false.”...

http://www.spokesman.com/...efugees-r/

gunsngold wrote:

{ This is the real effects of open border multiculturalism, when are these liberals going to get the refugees in miles city, we know they want them here. All you folks that don't have enough nuts to draw a hard line in your social standards, your sons and daughter will be the ones paying for your inactions.}

This is the real effects of ignorantly buying into the conspiracies of right wing nut jobs. You spread MORE false information.

Suggestion: EDUCATE YOURSELF.

Obviously, you don't know poop about idaho. A REAL story like that wouldn't have been buried.

Just off the phone.Confirmed three ways as usual.refugee program in full swing. The rape and assault happened.Quote the muslims are coming here in droves no media coverage My husband and I have been here for 18 years and now we have to find somewhere to go So to all of you violent muslim lovers this is your chance to be amoung them in one of the nicest places in amuslica.Be proud of your neighbor hood Stand up and sat my child was raped by a muslim immigrant proudly

From Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/thr...nifepoint/

[Edited by MCMT59301 (6/20/2016 3:46:24 PM)]

http://www.snopes.com/thr...nifepoint/

Whoops, MCMT59301 beat me to it.

Okay you all beat me to it.

[Edited by CarlosSantos (6/20/2016 3:49:49 PM)]

snopes says it didnt happen Neighbors who zi talked to today on the phone said it did snopes is probably owned by something like msn or aol

ZZZzz wrote:

snopes says it didnt happen Neighbors who zi talked to today on the phone said it did snopes is probably owned by something like msn or aol

no. No. NO.

Snopes said it did happen. Reading will get you further than fake phone calls.

I'd fill you in on the rest, but you won't take the time to read it, anyway.

you are probably a fake mexican

Ok that was sorta funny.

Ouch. That one hurt.

Again, your ignorance is showing.

I'm not even a fake Mexican.

Hispanic? Yes. Portuguese? Sure. Brazilian? Yup. American? Born and raised.

Not one "Mexican" in my lineage that I know of.

I can only assume you're the type of person who asks someone of Asian decent, "what kind of Chinese are you?"

So it is turning out to be more likely that this incident is true, I feel bad for the young girl and her family. May God be with them in this troubling time.

ZZZzzz thinks all people of Middle Eastern descent are Syrian. . . Or whatever the currently despised ethnicity is.

OMG.

Let me spell this out for you.

A little girl was assaulted.

No rape occurred. No knives were used. No Syrians were present.

That has been confirmed by the police.

All of it was recorded on a cell phone.

Facts surrounding the case are not public because all 4 of the individuals involved are MINORS. - Meaning all other "facts" are just made up to push an agenda that is NOT even related.

The worst part about this is that a little girl WAS assaulted, and her story is being twisted into something it isn't. Its being used as propaganda.

If you don't see something wrong with that, there's something wrong with you.

http://www.rawstory.com/2...-refugees/

Maybe if you persevere and try really hard too perhaps just maybe after a lifelong journey of training you may obtain the coveted title of. "Fake Mexican" I will quote you. "I'm not even a fake Mexican" so I have given you a goal hopefully that you can achieve God willing. Get it done and thenp proudly wear your stickpin that says "I am finally a fake Mexican"

Better a fake Mexican than an authentic moran.

This from the pro violent child raping muslim supporter who said this rape did not even happen

This thread has made me question my grasp of the English language.

There appear to be English words written. They appear to be in some rational order, though they make NO sense to me. Maybe my fake Mexican brain just can't grasp the concepts.

Maybe I'm just tired and need some ZZZzzzzs.

Did anyone read the links pointing out the rape story was bull poop? I mean, I linked to a site that keeps its stories short and easy to read for a reason. How come some idiots keep citing it as if it were a real thing?

A five year old girl was assaulted and urinated on, in some kind control fetish. What will it take for you progressives, would you have been more offended if this 5 Yr old girl was raped. That's how you are acting. I bet her mom and dad feel as if she was raped. I wonder how violated she feels? I am glad it was not a full force rape of a 5 yr old American girl. I am sorry that you find nothing wrong with some sub-par poorly educated migrants assaulting an American child.


I don't think we should bring more immigrant into the US as long as these typs of assaults are going unpunished as hate crimes.

gunsngold wrote:

A five year old girl was assaulted and urinated on, in some kind control fetish. What will it take for you progressives, would you have been more offended if this 5 Yr old girl was raped. That's how you are acting. I bet her mom and dad feel as if she was raped. I wonder how violated she feels? I am glad it was not a full force rape of a 5 yr old American girl. I am sorry that you find nothing wrong with some sub-par poorly educated migrants assaulting an American child.


I don't think we should bring more immigrant into the US as long as these typs of assaults are going unpunished as hate crimes.

YOU DON'T GET IT.

You scream "REFUGEES RAPED LITTLE GIRL"

No refuges...
No rape...

You USED her trauma to push your agenda.

Don't turn our collective pity for a poor innocent child into fuel for your bigot fire.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/.../250455874

The 2 boys being held are from Sudan.

The youngest, a 7 year old, is from Iraq.

None of them were refugees. None of them were from Syria. No knife was used. No rape occurred.


Now, if you feel like THIS story sums up all immigrants, I suggest you look at the instances just like this happening between those of same race backgrounds.

Women and girls are assaulted and raped every day in this country and 43% of the time, the rapist is white.

That means there are right around 3 million rapes reported annually that are perpetrated by your "chosen ones" Mr. Allen.

Why aren't you outraged at these crimes?

You seem to only care about the girls who are raped by the conservative right-wing media and their false claims.

Go back to mexico carlos and have analette tell you that you were never here then read it in the newspaper.

Mr. ZZZzzz,

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Was trying to think of a response but I may have actually been struck dumb.

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Hah!

I get that reference!

you mispeled my name catlos.But if English is your second language it is somewhat understandable.

ZZZzz wrote:

you mispeled my name catlos.But if English is your second language it is somewhat understandable.

You misspelled 'misspelled'.

It wuz intenshual catlos.Did your parents get here legally? I wonder if the orlando shooters parents were let in when bill clinton opened the floodgates to muslims.

It was intentional. . . That's a good one, ZZZzz.

C'mon Y'all... just...



[Edited by SeptyTwo (6/22/2016 5:36:41 PM)]

[Edited by SeptyTwo (6/22/2016 5:38:20 PM)]

I move that SeptyTwo be banned from this forum.

Please do, if that will make you feel better.

This thread started out as a discussion for the tragedy in Florida and NOW it is just people attacking people, here on this forum, which was my point with the video.

That's all these threads accomplish. What starts out as something to be discussed just almost always turns into a freakin' verbal bashing. If you don't like what somebody types or posts, then ignore it or reply to it in a manner that promotes discussion, actual discussion.

Yes, I know the subject matter of this thread is of a very serious nature, but again, this thread has degraded to the point that what else can someone post if it isn't some sort of humor?

So, go ahead and ban me, a nobody really on these forums. Or... just Let It Go

On the other hand, if you were being sarcastic, due to THAT song, lol, then.. good one!

I was being sarcastic due to that thing you posted which could be loosely referred to as a "song".

From the sudan, seeking refuge in another country. I don't care if their paper work says they are a refugee from war or seeking asylum from poverty or a work visa. They came here from another country and are victimizing children in this country.

You're cherrypicking this case to make your 'point', even though the vast majority of these sorts of crimes are committed by fine upstanding born-in-the-usa american citizens. It's ugly, and dangerous, because you're exaggerating the actual risk from foreigners. But that's okay because you and ZZZzzz are both 'christian' and your sins are washed away by the blood of the lamb, blah blah blah. Oh to be a fly on the wall, when the two of you have to explain all of this before your lord and savior.

gunsngold wrote:

They came here from another country and are victimizing children in this country.

That is the story of this country's history...this country was settled by immigrants from other countries of which a lot of them victimized children in this country once they got here, so do we need to return everyone whose ancestors participated in that genocide to their country of origin?

Guess what immigrants have no special place in "victimizing children", it happens every day done by American men, American women, refuges, immigrants, etc, so it is asinine to cherry pick one incident and make it a "refugee" issue, when it is really just a human being issue.

But of course asinine is the best way to describe most of your views, so I guess this is just par for the course...

Wendy Wilson wrote:

I was being sarcastic due to that thing you posted which could be loosely referred to as a "song".

Sweet... then... Good One!

I agree MCMT59301 the Indians stole it from different tribes, the Europeans stole it from all them tribes. And now a globalist world citizen will take it. It seems like each group or tribe that took the spoils "American land mass" enslaved the ones they took it from, so is the history of every country.

I guess it will be cowboys and Globalist next.

But the Globalist are having some troubles. Swiss recalls their application, Brexit, Eurasian bloc.. etc

[Edited by gunsngold (6/23/2016 12:14:53 PM)]

gunsngold wrote:

I agree MCMT59301 the Indians stole it from different tribes, the Europeans stole it from all them tribes. And now a globalist world citizen will take it. It seems like each group or tribe that took the spoils "American land mass" enslaved the ones they took it from, so is the history of every country.

I guess it will be cowboys and Globalist next.

But the Globalist are having some troubles. Swiss recalls their application, Brexit, Eurasian bloc.. etc

[Edited by gunsngold (6/23/2016 12:14:53 PM)]

Ok, does anyone even understand the moronic rantings in this post?



The only thing I remotely sounded sane I will respond to:

Natives stole territory from each other, it was the Europeans that killed women and children and committed genocide against the Native population.


The rest are basically the rantings of an insane person...

Natives stole territory from each other, it was the Europeans that killed women and children and committed genocide against the Native population.

Pretty sure that 'stealing territory' was accomplished by the more than occasional killing of women and children on the part of the aggressing tribe.

But the larger point stands - goldbunsandguns is an ugly loon who can barely write two sentences without contradicting his own argument.

Let me be more blunt for you mcmt. The Indians had many different tribes, They spent countless years at war with each other over the best hunting grounds. These tribes would then take the spoils of their conquest, that is the land, and women from the tribes they beat in war.

Then the Europeans came here and went to war with the Indians, they then took the lands and women from the Indians that they beat in war.

So as the globalist world citizen movement conquers the Americas, I suspect they will do the same by taking the lands and giving the women as reparations to the victors "world citizens".

giving the women as reparations

Don't forget for the men who get earmarked for the homosexual globalist elite commando units! You REALLY don't want to procreate with THOSE guys. Nothing deadlier on a pair of skates.

Uri Barnea composed an "ode to Guns" which was published in the Billings Gazette yesterday, 06-24-16

http://billingsgazette.co...b36b9.html

Last summer I went to the Dirksen Senate Office Building to meet with the Montana Congressional Delegation, Senators Tester, Daines and Congressman Zinke, and tried to persuade them to use their influence to get the Federal Railroad Administration, as a safety measure, to reduce the speed of trains passing through Miles City. I was not successful, and Miles City remains vulnerable should a high-speed train derail here.

I noted, however, that in order to gain access to the Dirksen Building, all who entered, both staffers and visitors, had to pass through a security check point which included guards and electronic equipment. The men had to empty their pockets and remove jackets, belts and shoes. Their briefcases were scanned, and all had to pass through a metal detector. It was a variation of the same theme for the women.

These security measures were established by members of Congress to protect themselves from either a terrorist or a crazy person bent on perpetrating violence, which would include violence with a gun, and perhaps an AR-15.

So my question is this: Why is it that members of Congress are willing to protect themselves from crazy people with guns and AR-15s, but they are not willing to enact laws to protect average citizens from crazy people bearing guns and AR-15s? And, isn't a crazy person who shoots many people with an AR-15 a terrorist regardless of his/her religious beliefs?

Take a look at this mass shooting tracker website to learn how many more people have been shot, killed and wounded, since Orlando which happened on June 13, 2016.

https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data

It would be cheaper and easier to put up a large. Gun Free Zone. Sign then no one with a gun would dare go there. But that would be like an anti AR person holding up a. stupid free zone. Sign. you would immediatly be surrounded by people mostly your friends who would be asking you what your sign means.

I know where I stand, against the liberal progressives that want to kill diversity.
Even Amanpour is seeing a bleak future for the liberal idealisms attempting to sweep the globe.

CNN’s Amanpour: Brexit A Victory for ‘Xenophobia,’ a Blow to the ‘Liberal World Order’

However when liberals call there opposition "scared", they are being very misleading. The more correct emotion involved here is anger.

49 dead is a big number. But it is just a number. Anderson Cooper reads the name of each victim and tells us something about each person who died.

Lt. Governor Spencer Cox of Utah, in a speech after the Orlando shooting, says our humanity is measured by our response to hate and terror, and that we must truly learn to love one another. It's a great speech! I'm a Democrat and he's a Republican and I love this guy!

Here is a better video Mary.