President Clinton II: Sax in the White House
Posted by busyB (+631) 6 years ago
Well, ladies and gentleman...

It appears we are again headed into an era of Clinton.

I'll be honest, I didn't see it ever happening as there are so many whom harbor so much hatred for the woman (just or un) but all signs point to a clear path to the White House.

I cannot fathom Drumph ever pulling off a win.

It makes you wonder how the powers-that-be are sleeping as of late...

On a more serious note:

Is the world really ready for President Clinton and the return of the sax man?



http://www.realclearpolit...html#polls
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+10013) 6 years ago
I can't imagine Trump even coming close to winning the general election - for many reasons - but the foremost being that he's alienated too many voters. The world will be better off with Clinton #2 anyway.
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Posted by Oddjob (+187) 6 years ago
You know, in 2008, I could not fathom the thought that Barack Obama had any chance of attaining the White House, in spite of the fact that he was running against the weakest candidate the RINOs had put up yet. An avowed dope-smoking Marxist? No way.

Think again about what you are thinking. There are massive numbers of people showing up for Trumps rallys. There are massive numbers of people being turned away from most of his rallys. Compare that to what is happening with Hillary who can barely fill a high school gymnasium.

The big crowds are going to see Sanders and I expect many of these will treat Hillary the same as the Trump haters will treat Trump. If the Demonrats won't go to see her when she's just down the block, they are not going to go vote for her.. It's the same thing that was happening in 2008 and none of this is getting the coverage it deserves in any of the MSM.

Whether we like it or not, Trump's message handled 16 mostly well financed and well qualified competitors. He will have 1237 delegates, walking in the door in Cincinatti, so his destruction of Hillary Clinton starts even before she gets rid of the Bern.. Trump has baggage but Hillary has huge baggage. She will get none of the youth vote and will lose a significant percentage of the minority and union vote that Obama had in the bag. She has the Obama economy to thank for that and she is still dumb enough to think she can run on it. Trump will crush her because the more she opens her mouth, the more people she alienates. Look at her warm reception in West Virginia.

You can close your eyes, cross your fingers and wish with all your heart but your money is on the wrong horse. Gunnar got what he foolishly wished for, but I think the only thing that can save us from Trump at this point is the FBI and the DOJ.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9297) 6 years ago
Well, you didn't think he had a chance because you're always wrong. Reading through your last post only confirms it for me.

As I asked your fellow traveler stephen, what states that obama won in 2014 will Hillary lose?

[Edited by Bridgier (5/5/2016 10:10:52 AM)]
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Posted by Amorette F. Allison (+1910) 6 years ago
Of course the Trumpet will win. He's all about fear, ignorance, bigotry and hate. Good AMERICANS love them some fear, ignorance, bigotry and hate. He has no known policies. All he cares about is the Trumpet. If, by some horrible fluke he would win, he would probably pull a Palin because he might actually be expected to compromise and work with people.

Fortunately, I have faith in the American public. I believe that the majority of us are NOT fearful, bigoted, ignorant and hateful and put the Trumpet and his supporters in their place.

Then starts the hard work of trying to fix a country where someone like the Trumpet even has a chance of gaining support with his loathsome message. How anyone can look at the orange smirk and not gag is beyond me.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5100) 6 years ago
Hey, the CPI expert is back!



I'm sure Oddjob's political analysis will be as trenchant as his economic analysis.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15076) 6 years ago
I think Mr. Oddy's analysis is a touch flawed.

-Trumps unfavorable rating is 65%, which is historically high.

-Trump is even MORE unpopular among women, Latinos and blacks – 70% of women intensely dislike him. 77% of Latinos intensely dislike him. 86% of blacks intensely dislike him. No one wins without the support of those three groups and there is literally no way Trump will suddenly be able to appeal to them.
 
-GOP Primary voters voted for someone else 60% of the time.

-His faux populism will not scale to a national election.

-The #nevertrump crowd will get behind Gary Johnson, Liberitatian canidate for President, and Johnson will split the republican vote.

-The Republican Party and its donors have already abandoned the race for the White House and have turned their attention to saving as many down-ballots seats in the house and senate as possible.

-Despite what you may hear, Hillary is actually a strong candidate. As a former First Lady, former Senator and former Secretary of State that’s spent her entire adult life fighting for one liberal cause or another (women’s rights, universal healthcare, LGBT rights, etc.), Hillary Clinton is insanely prepared and qualified to be president. She’s also smart. Really smart. Obama smart. Run circles around Donald Trump smart.

-Trump will be crush like a truckload of 1996 Dole pineapples. He won't get 40% of the popluar vote.

[Edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (5/5/2016 12:15:08 PM)]
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Posted by Tucker Bolton (+3708) 6 years ago
Oddjob, I prefer a socialist who admits to inhaling over a chauvinistic, bully any day. That is just an opinion from a socialist that never cared for marijuana. I always preferred cocaine and tequila. That is beside the point as that is in the past. I am still a peace loving, socialist.

My dear Montana friends, regarding Hillary. I have flip flopped on her like she has back pedaled so many times. In general, I've lost faith in Hillary. I really would like your input. I like Bernie. He is my candidate of choice. Is a write in campaign feasible? I would, of course, rather see Hillary in office than Donald Turd but I sure don't want to help Squash Head Trump get near the Whitehouse.

What say you all?
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Posted by Amorette F. Allison (+1910) 6 years ago
There are a lot of things I like about Bernie but, when it comes down to it, I know that the issues that concern me--like bodily autonomy--don't really matter to him. Yeah, he is vaguely in support of those things but he doesn't really care. I'm like a lot of PoC voters. They didn't vote for him because he hasn't shown he really cares about issues that are important to them. His response wasn't, "Okay, I need to listen to your concerns and refocus on them." His response was "I don't care."

I like HRC's actual EXPERIENCE with women's issues, civil rights issues, foreign policy issues. I like that she didn't lie about her spouse losing copies of their tax return. Is she perfect? HELL, NO! But since Mary Poppins isn't running, I'm going for HRC.

And to my genuinely Republican friends, I am sorry. There have been Republicans I admired in the past but the mess your party is in now, due to Rupert Murdoch, et al, has pretty much finished it off.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15076) 6 years ago
Here is my problem with Sanders. He has a conservative bent that is not helpful to the progressive cause. He engages in a very rigid sort of moralizing, which says that it’s desirable to judge people by their associations and what he sees as their character, as “deduced” from those associations.

To Bernie, the fact that Hillary has given three speeches to Goldman Sachs (out of hundreds which her booking agent arranged for her to give) defines her.

Her record, which is if anything more strongly critical of Wall Street than Bernie’s, is ignored by Bernie as irrelevant. Her positions are irrelevant to Bernie.

He makes the same argument that right wing demagogues made against people they wanted to paint as “communist sympathizers” during the Cold War: that some degree of contact with someone Bernie doesn’t like means that Hillary is a “corporatist whore”.

The fact that she failed to shun people on the blacklist is central to Bernie’s argument. And there’s nothing liberal about that at all. It is Trump-like behavior. Puritanism has never been progressive and anger alone is not a winning strategy.

Sanders wants to "breakup the banks". Yet, when ask "how" this happens, he has little idea or even if he has the authority to carryout such a plan. (I personally think he has a vendetta against "banks" due largely to his wife's dealings and potential fraudulent behavior. I don't think we know the whole story here. A FBI investigaiton may be in order.)

In the final analysis one must conclude that Sanders is much to do about nothing and that the mature and responsible position is to vote for Hillary. She is far more capable, has earned the political capital and is spending down-ballot, and has a solid plan to advance the progressive cause. IMO, the Sanders “revolution” is something we can do without.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9297) 6 years ago
I rapidly lost whatever goodwill I wished the Bernie campaign after his interview with the NY Daily News. Competency and a grasp of the minutia are more important than Green Lanternism and magical thinking, no matter how awesome the final vision is.
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Posted by Amorette F. Allison (+1910) 6 years ago
I was stunned by the NYDN interview! I expected that someone who made something the whole focus of his campaign, he would have actually THOUGHT IT THROUGH. HRC had. She had specifics. He had hand waving and "revolution." Which is silly. Electing yet another white guy is NOT a revolution, especially if he doesn't make much effort to help down ballot contests.
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Posted by Joe R. Whalen (+228) 6 years ago
Polls rise, fall, and get more volatile as elections approach. But if Hillary doesn't enjoy at least an 8 pt. bump from Trump's lock on the GOP nomination by the primary then she makes a weak bet for the presidency. The objective is to win the general, in case anyone's forgotten.

http://www.realclearpolit..._race.html
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17660) 6 years ago
Reply to Oddjob (#366404)
Oddjob wrote:
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.... Gunnar got what he foolishly wished for, but I think the only thing that can save us from Trump at this point is the FBI and the DOJ.


Ummm.....FBI and DOJ will deliver a Trump victory when they serve Hillary papers later this fall.
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Posted by Oddjob (+187) 6 years ago
Reply to Gunnar Emilsson (#366422)
Gunnar Emilsson wrote:
Oddjob wrote:
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.... Gunnar got what he foolishly wished for, but I think the only thing that can save us from Trump at this point is the FBI and the DOJ.


Ummm.....FBI and DOJ will deliver a Trump victory when they serve Hillary papers later this fall.


I have two cases of beer on it. Not because I like Trump but because Hillary is a career criminal.

It's always such a pleasure to see the MC.Commies wallowing in denial.. This thread will be referenced again on November 8th.

Or maybe sooner..
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Posted by Amorette F. Allison (+1910) 6 years ago
Hillary is NOT a "career criminal" and those of us who can read and don't actually follow rightwing propaganda mindlessly know that. The Trumpet, on the other hand, is an atrocity. Period.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9297) 6 years ago
This thread will be referenced again on November 8th.


I certainly plan on bringing it up.

Hell, I'll print it out and post it above your bunk in the FEMA camp (if you make it through your death-panel hearing, obviously), when we finally get the re-education programs up and running.
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Posted by Oddjob (+187) 6 years ago
Reply to Amorette F. Allison (#366431)
Amorette F. Allison wrote:
Hillary is NOT a "career criminal" and those of us who can read and don't actually follow rightwing propaganda mindlessly know that. The Trumpet, on the other hand, is an atrocity. Period.


Crude, yes, but one who is a paragon of virtue when you compare their criminality.

Watergate, Whitewater, White House theft and the ultimate example of criminal influence peddling; the Clinton Foundation. Never mind the enormity of obstruction of justice and treasonous exposure of intelligence.

Please provide a list of known criminal acts that Trump was implicated in that even remotely compares to Hillary's life-long crime spree. Just because you're not in an iron cage yet, doesn't mean your not a criminal. After all, it took the Feds 20 years to get Al Capone in the pen. A Pyrrhic Victory at that.

To put this creature in a position to write her own walk from prosecution would be an American travesty not equaled since the election of Barack Obama.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9297) 6 years ago
The clintons were behind watergate?
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15076) 6 years ago
Hillary was an attorney on the staff of the house congressional investigator who pursued impeachment proceedings against Oddjob's personal hero Tricky Dicky. The GOP and its shills have been after her ever since that time. This what is at the root of all the GOP hate toward her. Some will go to their graves packing this grudge.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11888) 6 years ago
Right-wingers have never forgiven her for being an uppity woman and never will. They make up horse manure and pile it high and mutter and mumble and never actually produce anything more than said manure. She is going to be the next president of the United States and I expect several RWs to explode at the very thought.

It's why I'm not worried about the Trumpet attacking her. The RW has been throwing every horse apple they can dream up for 40 years and she continues to handle their manure with grace and elegance and wit. And without any of the manure actually hitting their target outside of their own minds.

I suppose some of them, like Oddy, actually BELIEVE their own lies, but that's not going to stop HRC.
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