Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire.
Posted by busyB (+628) 4 years ago
I appreciate Politifact. Even if just for the simplicity of what it is, it should be invaluable to the lesser educated/informed American Voter.

They present a demographic that displays an overview of honesty and deception and those should speak volumes.

Let's take an objective look.


Democratic Candidates






Republican Candidates





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Posted by CarlosSantos (+874) 4 years ago
Well, that just about sums it up right there, folks...
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Posted by busyB (+628) 4 years ago
Please excuse the errors in typing. I attempted to do this on my phone.

The word 'demographic' should simply be 'graphic.' I'd blame autocorrect, but people do that too often. I may have actually typed that.

*Note: and edit option would be nice in order to avoid this...

Regardless, enjoy.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6168) 4 years ago
Thanks, busyb. Of course people will say Politifact is a left-leaning organization.
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Posted by busyB (+628) 4 years ago
They can say Politifact leans to the left, but when going through and reviewing each analyzed statement, you really get to see the true colors of the candidates regardless of if they are "red" or "blue"

When the single largest liar is the frontrunner of a party, you come to the realization that the masses don't care about the truth. They don't care about reality.

They care about hearing what they want to hear, even if it wreaks of BS.

I fear for our nation...
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Posted by 9-0films (+464) 4 years ago
I fear for our nation...


This is the exact kind of rhetoric that needs to stop. Why can't we have conversations and disagreements over politics without immediately calling people Hitler or resorting to end of the world hyperbole?

The second I hear or see someone use this type of fear-mongering tactic I immediately lose all respect for their argument, which also takes value away from all of their potentially valid points.
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Posted by CarlosSantos (+874) 4 years ago
Reply to 9-0films (#365613)
9-0films wrote:


This is the exact kind of rhetoric that needs to stop. Why can't we have conversations and disagreements over politics without immediately calling people Hitler or resorting to end of the world hyperbole?

The second I hear or see someone use this type of fear-mongering tactic I immediately lose all respect for their argument, which also takes value away from all of their potentially valid points.


No one said anything about "Hitler or any end of the world hyperbole".
Only You Did.

With that, you lose validity by making a logical conversation extreme, when no one here had even remotely taken it to that level.

I think they were referring to the fact the leading candidates have the poorest track record for honesty. That is something to fear.

When people stop caring about the truth and just vote for words and ideals that carry no meaning, there is a HUGE reason to fear for our nation.
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Posted by Bridgier (+8918) 4 years ago
I fear for the mainstreaming of hateful rhetoric and extremist reactionary tropes into our national discourse that has always been relegated to the fringes of acceptable society.

Better?
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Posted by 9-0films (+464) 4 years ago
I immediately regret entering into this discussion.
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Posted by busyB (+628) 4 years ago
Reply to 9-0films (#365613)
9-0films wrote:
I fear for our nation...


This is the exact kind of rhetoric that needs to stop. Why can't we have conversations and disagreements over politics without immediately calling people Hitler or resorting to end of the world hyperbole?

The second I hear or see someone use this type of fear-mongering tactic I immediately lose all respect for their argument, which also takes value away from all of their potentially valid points.


When did I call anyone Hitler?

When exactly did I "resort to end of the world hyperbole"?

I fear for our nation, because they value celebrity more than virtue.

I fear for our nation, because they believe false words as long as they're said by flashy people.

I fear for our nation, because so many march in line without questioning where their leader is going.

I fear for our nation, because as long as a lie is sparkly, people not only take it as truth, but defend it without any backing.

I fear for our nation because it has become not only acceptable, but encouraged to hate those who are not like you.

I fear for a nation whose people find out they've been lied to and go along with it anyway.

I fear for a nation of uninformed voters who value superiority over reality.


Yes... I fear for our nation.
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Posted by CarlosSantos (+874) 4 years ago
I could never, in my wildest dreams support a man who downplayed a veteran's service, when he's never served 1 day... let alone support a candidate who downplayed the honor of a man who was held captive as a war prisoner and survived.




Donald Trump is dangerous.

He lacks respect, honor, and any semblance of humility.

He has no political experience.

He has no military experience.

Worst of all, he has no filter.

He says things that are blatantly false and offensive and its only a matter of time before he offends our allies or our enemies.

He's openly racist.

He's openly sexist.

How is this person even considered a viable candidate? He's never even presented a viable plan for this country other than "You'll just have to trust me" THAT IS NO A VALID POLITICAL STRATEGY.

He is dangerous.
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Posted by 9-0films (+464) 4 years ago
Reply to Bridgier (#365616)
Better
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16318) 4 years ago
Sigh. Everyone is missing the point of Donalds campaign. Unlike all the other candidates, he speaks without teleprompters and political coaching.

Of course he will mis speak. The much larger question is, will his presidency make our lives better?

I personally believe yes, his unquestionable skills as a CEO cannot be denied.

Don't base your vote on a politician's stump speech. Vote for who you think can make America great again.
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Posted by Dark Beer (+256) 4 years ago
Reply to Gunnar Emilsson (#365621)
Gunnar Emilsson wrote:
Sigh. Everyone is missing the point of Donalds campaign. Unlike all the other candidates, he speaks without teleprompters and political coaching.

Of course he will mis speak. The much larger question is, will his presidency make our lives better?

I personally believe yes, his unquestionable skills as a CEO cannot be denied.

Don't base your vote on a politician's stump speech. Vote for who you think can make America great again.


The notion that America isn't currently great is a false premise and is the very essence of Liar, Liar, pants on fire. We are a divided nation and Hillary will make us whole again.
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Posted by busyB (+628) 4 years ago
Reply to Gunnar Emilsson (#365621)
Gunnar Emilsson wrote:
Sigh. Everyone is missing the point of Donalds campaign. Unlike all the other candidates, he speaks without teleprompters and political coaching.

Of course he will mis speak. The much larger question is, will his presidency make our lives better?

I personally believe yes, his unquestionable skills as a CEO cannot be denied.

Don't base your vote on a politician's stump speech. Vote for who you think can make America great again.


Unquestionable skills as a CEO

-Trump Airlines - Turned over to Creditors

-Trump Vodka - Failed, Closed

-Trump Casinos - Bankrupt

-Trump The Board Game - Discontinued due to disinterest

-Apprentice The Board Game - "

-Trump Magazine - Ceased publication after 18 months due to lack of sales

-Trump Steaks - Discontinued due to lack of sales

-Trump Steakhouse - Shut Down for 51 health code violations

-Trump.Com - Luxury travel site - Shut down after 1 year

-Trump University - Closed after one year for being a fraud. Non-Accredited, for profit "University" Sued for $40 million for scamming students.

-Trump Mortgage - Shut down after a 18 months
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Posted by busyB (+628) 4 years ago
Let's not forget that Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach rejected hundreds of applications from Americans.

They then brought in hundreds of Romanian guest workers.

Or the fact that he Trump tower was built by undocumented Polish workers who were paid less than $5/hour... He made threatening phone calls to the lawyers of the workers under a false name, John Barron and he then settled the lawsuits out of court once it was proven that he knew about and orchestrated it all.

Nothing will 'Make America Great Again' quite like giving American jobs to temporary foreign work visas and undocumented workers

[Edited by busyB (3/18/2016 10:37:39 AM)]
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Posted by CarlosSantos (+874) 4 years ago
It's not just his speeches.

You can't possibly understand the damage that his words have.

For Example:

“No more massive injections. Tiny children are not horses — one vaccine at a time, over time.” - Donald Trump


Now, this is a man with NO medical training, medical knowledge, understanding of vaccines, etc... Saying he wants to change the way vaccines are administered to the children of the United States. He is saying he wants to dictate medical care.

THIS IS DANGEROUS.

Those are not the words of a well-meaning, presidential candidate.

Those are the words of a dictator. Those are the words of a man, who cares not what is best for the people. Those are the words of a man who wants things done "because I said so."
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Posted by busyB (+628) 4 years ago
I mean, should we even look at him from a foreign policy standpoint?

This is a man who admitted to making business deals with Gaddafi. Then fraudulently "screwing him." Seriously? This is the type of person we want as the figure head of our country?

“I dealt with Gaddafi. I rented him a piece of land. He paid me more for one night than the land was worth for two years, and then I didn’t let him use the land. That’s what we should be doing. I don’t want to use the word ‘screwed,’ but I screwed him. That’s what we should be doing.”

I mean, we can't even get into his ideas on how he would deal with the terrorist groups of the middle east... you know, cause they're a secret -_-
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14599) 4 years ago
Great article by conservative comentator David Brooks. He sums up nicely why Donald Drumpf (his true family name) should not be allowed anywhere near the Whitehouse. 

Donald Trump is epically unprepared to be president. He has no realistic policies, no advisers, no capacity to learn. His vast narcissism makes him a closed fortress. He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know and he’s uninterested in finding out. He insults the office Abraham Lincoln once occupied by running for it with less preparation than most of us would undertake to buy a sofa.

Trump is perhaps the most dishonest person to run for high office in our lifetimes. All politicians stretch the truth, but Trump has a steady obliviousness to accuracy.


http://www.nytimes.com/20...&smtyp=cur
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9954) 4 years ago
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16318) 4 years ago
David Brooks epitomizes the sour grapes Republican establishment. To we Trump supporters, quoting David Brooks is like quoting a Huffington Post article on climate change to Oddjob.
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Posted by Hal Neumann (+9681) 4 years ago
Gunnar, some folks say the only cure for Brooks is Krugman . . . not hardly. I’d recommend these boys for a tried true Trumpeter such as yourself: Kurt Andersen, James Fallows, and geeky ol’ Kevin Drum.
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Posted by Bridgier (+8918) 4 years ago
I really enjoyed (if you can say that) Kevin's series on lead contamination: http://www.motherjones.co...ren-health
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Posted by Dark Beer (+256) 4 years ago
It seems appropriate to quote Denise here:

Gunnar is a greyhound and mockery is his rabbit.


http://milescity.com/foru...85/#128466
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Posted by Hal Neumann (+9681) 4 years ago
Denise was polite.

Gunnar is Wiley Coyote and. . .
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16318) 4 years ago
Ha! That was a good old thread. I forgot about that.

I used to be quite funny, before I became dead serious over the fate of our country.

However, I stand by my comments regarding Adam Lambert 6 years ago. They ring as true as the Liberty Bell today.
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