Discount Transmission and Gear located in the old Chubby's building ... thought that our local's would enjoy knowing that it is ran and operated by a registered sex offender.

I'll put a "tenspot" this thread make 50 posts.

Never thought I would like a Dark beer post, I stand corrected.

Could "Firestarter" be in the car repair business??

Just speculating.....

Nah. I'm sure s/he is just a concerned citizen.

I'll just leave this here-

http://www.suffolkgazette...ntent=link

Isn't doing business in a place affectionately known to locals as the "Chubby's building" sufficient public notice?

I always thought that a Dana 60 was a fine looking rear end

Still trying to figure out what a sex offender has to do with a tranny shop.

Oh, wait...what?

[Edited by Dave Roberts (2/1/2016 7:47:15 PM)]

P R N 2 D
My torque converter's slipping
Needs more Dexron-II

Offender or not everyone needs a job, and Randy does a great job at working on cars. Would you rather all offenders just stay at home and collect welfare?

Once again, Captain Anonymous, the bravest Man/Woman/Golden Retriever on the internets sallies forth to save the day. THANK GOD THERE IS SOMEONE WILLING TO STAND UP UNDER THE CLOAK OF DARKNESS TO PROTECT THE GOOD PEOPLE OF MILES CITY FROM A MAN WHO FIXES CARS.

My shop has no heat
Come spring, U-joints will be new
Too cold to wrench now

(bonus point for seasonal content (it's a long way to 50))

Seems like it's the unregistered offenders that we ought be concerned about. Why can't Firestarter inform us about those?

13 out of 50.

Dave Roberts, I see what you did there.

Wow! He's registered, and we kmow where he is...This seems like a personal attack on someone trying to make a living and get on with their life. How low can you go?

"Registered Sex Offender runs local business"

In other news:

"Cowardly a$$hole tries to ruin someone's life by smearing their past all over the internet anonymously"

Apparently, once you're a sex offender - you're never allowed to work again.

Maybe all sex offenders should just have to be on permanent unemployment.

That should fix the debt crisis.

Firestarter, I guess you must just be an unregistered offender.

So where is "firetender"? Fires go out if they're not stoked.

hmm.... well I guess it would be interesting to know if you couldn't get online and find that out... so I am wondering what the point is here... not like its a drop in daycare center that would be alarming

You'd think the admins would take this down...

The account was just created and obviously only for the sake of trying to smear someone and take their livelihood. Only 1 post and this is it.

I feel like this troll should go.

I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I don't know of anything ever being deleted or removed from MC.com by anyone other than the original poster.

It's likely a moot point as the post is two days old and Google has likely cached it by now.

2nd edit- Obvious spam that Larry or Dave catch and duplicate posts excluded

[Edited by Dave Roberts (2/4/2016 2:38:40 PM)]

[Edited by Dave Roberts (2/4/2016 4:15:50 PM)]

Thank you Firestarter for doing your patriotic duty to keep the residents of Miles City informed and safe. And nevermind these liberal neanderthals trying to shout and shut you down.

FYI, it is against the law in Montana to use information from the Sexual and Violent Offenders Registry (SVOR) to harass people listed in the SVOR. Offenders who are placed under stress (i.e. through harassment) are more likely to re-offend.

From the Montana SVOR site:

"Anyone who uses this information to injure, harass or commit a criminal act against any person may be subject to criminal prosecution."

It is the duty of local law enforcement to decide which registered offenders might present an unusual risk to the community and to notify members of the community who are most in need of being notified.

Also, the SVOR is dynamic and subject to change.

If you want to make people aware of offenders in your community the correct way to do it is to refer them to the SVOR website:

https://app.doj.mt.gov/apps/svow/

In other words, you can sexually violate a child and we will hang a scarlet letter around your neck, but it is illegal for anyone to harass or point out that you have a scarlet letter around your neck. The system is implicit, not explicit Meanwhile, more children are abused.

Stupid law that needs to be changed. We need to do more to protect our youth from these kind of people.

So how do you know him? Do you know why he got locked up? Sounds like every single sex offender out there was convicted of molesting a 3 year old. Lots of different ways to be labeled a sex offender.

I feel like the Cottonwood Kid and the Firestarter should meet up.

That way, the rest of us can roast mallows on their hot, inefficient flames while we mock their stance on social justice.

Meanwhile, more children are abused.

Are you suggesting the person in question is still molesting children!? Sounds a little libelous to me.

What? The sex offender registry contains many types of sex offenders. From simple exposure to violent sexual assault of a child. So a guy who whips it out at the drive-thru during his morning coffee run is on the same list as the guy who rapes a toddler. Are they the same? No.

Wendy Wilson wrote:

What? The sex offender registry contains many types of sex offenders. From simple exposure to violent sexual assault of a child. So a guy who whips it out at the drive-thru during his morning coffee run is on the same list as the guy who rapes a toddler. Are they the same? No.

If you are on this list, you are on this list and what you did apparently doesn't matter. You all seem to be suggesting that people on this list ought to be treated according to there specific incident.

I say we protect the children from these people regardless of what they did. You can't be too careful.

Cottonwood Kid wrote:

Wendy Wilson wrote:

What? The sex offender registry contains many types of sex offenders. From simple exposure to violent sexual assault of a child. So a guy who whips it out at the drive-thru during his morning coffee run is on the same list as the guy who rapes a toddler. Are they the same? No.

If you are on this list, you are on this list and what you did apparently doesn't matter. You all seem to be suggesting that people on this list ought to be treated according to there specific incident.

I say we protect the children from these people regardless of what they did. You can't be too careful.

That is some very contorted thinking you've got going on there, Cottonwood Kid. Perhaps your cranial cavity is full of cotton balls.

Cottonwood Kid wrote:

Wendy Wilson wrote:

What? The sex offender registry contains many types of sex offenders. From simple exposure to violent sexual assault of a child. So a guy who whips it out at the drive-thru during his morning coffee run is on the same list as the guy who rapes a toddler. Are they the same? No.

If you are on this list, you are on this list and what you did apparently doesn't matter. You all seem to be suggesting that people on this list ought to be treated according to there specific incident.

I say we protect the children from these people regardless of what they did. You can't be too careful.

Holy crap! What a moron!

Cottonwood Kid wrote:

Wendy Wilson wrote:

What? The sex offender registry contains many types of sex offenders. From simple exposure to violent sexual assault of a child. So a guy who whips it out at the drive-thru during his morning coffee run is on the same list as the guy who rapes a toddler. Are they the same? No.

If you are on this list, you are on this list and what you did apparently doesn't matter. You all seem to be suggesting that people on this list ought to be treated according to there specific incident.

I say we protect the children from these people regardless of what they did. You can't be too careful.

You do realize that in 13 states, Urinating in public puts you on the sex offender list.

That means, 89.6% of the men at The Bucking Horse Sale are technically sex offenders if you go by that logic.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!

"You do realize that in 13 states, Urinating in public puts you on the sex offender list.

That means, 89.6% of the men at The Bucking Horse Sale are technically sex offenders if you go by that logic.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!"

Absolutely. Children should be protected at all costs. Urinating in public should put you on this list. They're called private parts for a reason.

First of all, if you look at the list, it specifically lists each persons exact crime if you click on their individual name.

Would I leave my child with someone who has raped another child? No way. Would I take my care to someone who has an indecent exposure charge? I don't know. I'd certainly think differently about it.

Bottom line, inform yourself. That's what the registry is meant for.

FYI, the Miles City Police Department contacted me about a week ago concerning threads like this, stating:

MCPD wrote:

We have received several reports from registered sex offenders, recently and in the past, that citizens are posting information they've gathered from the Montana Sexual Violent Offender Registry on milescity.com. This is in violation of Montana statute 46-23-508. Under the statute, it is the State's and the Registering Agency, MCPD, responsibility to notify the public. When citizens access the Montana SVOR Registry, they agree to the disclaimer that they will not use the information from the site to harass registered offenders. History has shown us that offenders are more likely to offend when they feel stressed.

With the following request:

MCPD wrote:

I would request that when you observe someone posting something about an offender that you delete the posting or exclude names and reference Montana Statute 46-23-508; and you also refer the public to the Montana SVOR website for information about offenders in Custer County.

I declined that request, not because I necessarily disagree with the MCPD, but because of other reasons that have to do with free speech, public information, the legality of sites like MilesCity.com to exist, and also the concept that users are responsible for their own posts.

However, I would request that all users keep in mind what the MCPD stated. It is illegal in Montana to harass sexual offenders, and by doing so, you may find yourself at the wrong end of the law.

Regards, Larry
MilesCity.com Webmaster

I declined that request, not because I necessarily disagree with the MCPD, but because of other reasons that have to do with free speech, public information, the legality of sites like MilesCity.com to exist, and also the concept that users are responsible for their own posts.

You seem to walk on both sides of this line quite often. There are times that you have banned users from posting and you delete spam quite regularly. Thank you for both of those. However, there are some times that you could do more, like now, but then claim free speech. I am all for the freedom of speech, but aren't there other freedoms. Like the freedom to not be harassed on the internet by an anonymous user? Why protect (mostly) one freedom and completely be complicit in the infringement of others?

I get it. MC.COM is a business, and this forum wouldn't be as entertaining without this particular type of gossip and personal attacks. On the flip side, that is why there is such a negative stigma with this website. If there is a little bit more control over bullying and illegal harassment, that might encourage others to post on here and would also add value to your brand.

Moderating a popular public forum is quite a task, and not easy.

Posts that get removed are almost entirely for technical reasons: those that spam the site, are duplicate posts, those that disrupt it, attempt to deface it, etc.

This is not Facebook. When you stand up and say something on a public forum, you are doing so publicly -- the whole world can see it. The site is syndicated and cached through various sources. Deleting something doesn't necessarily make it go away. The genie can't just be stuck back in the bottle. Also, there is a concept that people are responsible for their own posts.

If "Firestarter", as an example, has done something wrong, the means to address that issue is through the legal channels. If I receive a proper order, I will remove the post or divulge what information the site knows about "Firestarter", so they can be tracked down by the proper authorities. It is a slippery slope if I start to evaluate, all by myself, what posts stay or go based solely upon my opinion of the content -- where do I draw the line? Everyone has a different place to draw it.

Also, if someone posts something "illegal", and I then remove it -- it could be construed in certain scenarios that I am perhaps covering up the "crime" -- so no one else can see it.

There are a lot of issues that come into consideration, not just free speech. In any case, I reiterate -- people are responsible for their own posts, and if something needs to be removed (or the party who posted something needs to be divulged) -- it needs to be addressed through the proper legal channels.

Regards, Larry
MilesCity.com Webmaster

Doesn't that response seem a little self serving though? I mean, sure the proper legal channels are definitely an option. But that can sometimes be costly and time consuming, by the time that anything legally happens the damage is done. Also I agree with your point about the cat already being out of the bag through syndication and cache, but that isn't really the same thing as prominently allowing it to be displayed on your public forum.

As far as the line, I think that is pretty simple. I have been on plenty of forums where straight up personal attacks and bullying, such as this example, is a no-no. Additionally there is obviously a line, or else nobody would ever get banned, it's just a matter of how far you are willing to extend it.

Quoting The Boondock Saints

"There is another kind of evil which we fear most and that is the indifference of good men."

The original post stated:

Discount Transmission and Gear located in the old Chubby's building ... thought that our local's would enjoy knowing that it is ran and operated by a registered sex offender.

Is that bullying? Is that harassment? Is that illegal? I really don't know.

The same information is already available from a variety of other sources all over the web. I could provide links to other sites (which are not the Montana SVOR Registry) -- but I'll refrain from doing so.

I think in any case, it's not my role to decide if the original post was legal or not. I am not a judge. I don't know if they were just posting a fact. Or if they were just posting what is already public information. Or what.

In the course of operating this site, the following scenario frequently occurs:

- Person A posts something.

- Person B comes along, does not like what person A posted, then demands I remove the post from person A.

That happens a lot.

I don't see how it is correct for me to remove the post from person A, simply because person B demanded it.

I also don't see why it is my job to insert myself and become a mediator in those scenarios. I don't know who is correct. People are responsible for their own posts, and we have a system in this country for resolving issues like that between parties.

Regards, Larry
MilesCity.com Webmaster

Solid response. Thanks for clearing that up!

What "her ass meant" is at the root of most sex offender issues.