Posted by (+479) 7 years ago
Just came back to see how the ranchers near Miles City feel about the Clive Bundy vs. BLM issue? Any thoughts?
Funny how when it's just hippies being herded into 'Free Speech' zones by the unindicted war criminal and torture enthusiast's administration, nary a word is heard from the militia's and the 'patriots'.
MSNBC wrote:It’s not uncommon for conservative media to put a very different spin on current events than major news organizations. For example, news consumers who surround themselves with nothing but conservative media might believe right now that the Affordable Care Act is in a death spiral, the IRS “scandal” is heating up; the nation is facing a debt crisis; the Benghazi conspiracy will soon rock the White House; etc.
But once in a while, conservative media doesn’t just put a unique spin on the news, it also identifies stories that exist largely below the radar. Over the last week, for example, far-right news consumers have been captivated with coverage of Cliven Bundy, while for much of the American mainstream, that name probably doesn’t even sound familiar.
If you don’t know the story, it’s time to get up to speed.
This conflict arises out of rancher Cliven Bundy’s many years of illegally grazing his cattle on federal lands. In 1998, a federal court ordered Bundy to cease grazing his livestock on an area of federal land known as the Bunkerville Allotment, and required him to pay the federal government $200 per day per head of cattle remaining on federal lands. Around the time it issued this order, the court also commented that “[t]he government has shown commendable restraint in allowing this trespass to continue for so long without impounding Bundy’s livestock.” Fifteen years later, Bundy continued to defy this court order.
Last October, the federal government returned to court and obtained a new order, providing that “Bundy shall remove his livestock from the former Bunkerville Allotment within 45 days of the date hereof, and that the United States is entitled to seize and remove to impound any of Bundy’s cattle that remain in trespass after 45 days of the date hereof.” A third federal court order issued the same year explains that Bundy did not simply refuse to stop trespassing on federal lands – he actually expanded the range of his trespassing. According to the third order, “Bundy’s cattle have moved beyond the boundaries of the Bunkerville Allotment and are now trespassing on a broad swath of additional federal land (the “New Trespass Lands”), including public lands within the Gold Butte area that are administered by the BLM, and National Park System land within the Overton Arm and Gold Butte areas of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area.” The third order also authorizes the federal government to “impound any of Bundy’s cattle that remain in trespass.”
"Cliven's great, great grandfather was an illegal Morman polygamist who "settled" on this land without due title."
Gee, Gunnar. If you really feel that way, genuine moral outrage would demand that you be the first one to get back on the boat.
Stand up for your principles, young man. Load up!
It was Richard Mack, a former Arizona county sheriff and founder of the Constitutional Sheriffs, who had said Monday that the gathered self-described militia had considered using women as human shields if a gunfight with federal officials erupted. He elaborated on those comments Monday in an interview with radio host Ben Swann.
“It was a tactical plot that I was trying to get them to use,” Mack said in comments flagged by The Raw Story. “If they’re going to start killing people, I’m sorry, but to show the world how ruthless these people are, women needed to be the first ones shot.”
“I’m sorry, that sounds horrible,” he continued. “I would have put my own wife or daughters there, and I would have been screaming bloody murder to watch them die. I would gone next, I would have been the next one to be killed. I’m not afraid to die here. I’m willing to die here.”It was Richard Mack, a former Arizona county sheriff and founder of the Constitutional Sheriffs, who had said Monday that the gathered self-described militia had considered using women as human shields if a gunfight with federal officials erupted. He elaborated on those comments Monday in an interview with radio host Ben Swann.
Oddjob wrote:"Yeah, right. Maybe that's why I still can't figure out what an "illegal Mormon" is."
It’s not uncommon for conservative media to put a very different spin on current events than major news organizations. For example, news consumers who surround themselves with nothing but conservative media might believe right now that the Affordable Care Act is in a death spiral, the IRS “scandal” is heating up; the nation is facing a debt crisis; the Benghazi conspiracy will soon rock the White House; etc.
Daily Kos wrote:Being a Westerner and the daughter and granddaughter of cattle ranchers, I think it's about time that the non-crazy Western ranchers get some equal national media time. Because they're not all federal government-hating, "wise use," sagebrush rebelling, gun-toting crazies—even in a state like Idaho. One of Idaho's most influential cattle ranchers, and conservationists is proof of that. His name was Bud Purdy, and in his 96 years, he became sort of a legend in the state. Unfortunately, he passed away this week, but this remembrance from the Idaho Stateman's Rocky Barker tells the story.
Salon wrote:The latest right-wing media poster-victim, Cliven Bundy, is just the latest in a long line of desert dwellers who thinks he or she should not have to follow the law and has a god-given right to unlimited use of public resources, in this case, rangeland. I know the mentality well, because I grew up in rural Nevada and clung desperately to such beliefs until only a few years ago.
Bundy has not paid grazing fees in close to 20 years, while the federal government has, with painful, stupid moves, tried to somehow deal with him. Bundy also faced restrictions because he continued to graze cattle on a slice of public land reserved for the endangered desert tortoise. He was invited to talk to Sean Hannity (of course) about the “standoff.”
“We want freedom,” Bundy said. I don’t know what freedom Bundy’s talking about. He does not own the land nor does he even pay the modest fees required to use it. Thousands of ranchers across the West pay fees for their businesses, but Bundy thinks he should get to use public resources to make a personal profit. Cliven Bundy, far from being a patriot, is also clearly a straight-up communist.
Employees of BLM are not law enforcement officers. If they run across a crime, they are to preserve the crime scene and notify the County Sheriff. The personnel of BLM have particular designated authority but when it comes to crime, it's the jurisdiction of the County Sheriff. BLM are concerned with flora and fauna.
but when it comes to crime, it's the jurisdiction of the County Sheriff
Addicting Info wrote:One of the more amusing reactions to the right leaping to defend Nevada freeloader Cliven Bundy is the “grassroots” talking point about, of all people, Al Sharpton:“Why are Libtards so upset about Bundy owing money when Al Sharpton owes twice as much and they put him on TV?”
“WHY Aren’t The FEDS At Al Sharpton’s Homefront As They Were At Cliven Bundy’s?”
“Al sharpton, lil Wayne both black both owe the govt millions. No helicopters no armed federal agents. Not to mention the BLM likely spent over a million to fail at rounding up cattle.”
“Obama is set to headline Al Sharpton’s National Action Network (NAN) … It still owes $1.9 million in back taxes and penalties. Why isn’t anyone bitching about that.“
And what, precisely, does Al Sharpton’s tax problems have to do with anything? Other than absolutely nothing? Could it be that he’s black and we should be offended that a black man is “getting away” with being a tax cheat but the poor, beleaguered white man is being persecuted for stealing from taxpayers? Oh my, yes. How DARE a black man get away with something while a white man is punished for it?!
This is more than right wingers trying desperately to distract from the indisputable fact that their “hero,” the freeloading Bundy, stopped paying the fee to use public lands almost 20 years ago. This is pure racism and they’re not even trying to hide it. If Bundy were black, right wingers would be screaming for his head on a silver platter. The Sharpton talking point proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt. The right is literally saying that a black man should be punished for the same crime as the white guy while, in the same breath, complaining that the government is trying to punish the white guy.
Oddjob wrote:"We should think of it as a central planning land control system."
by David Schott
Here you go:
by Dave Roberts
flora and fauna
can be considered as applicable to defining and punishing felonies committed on US Soil. Or possibly you think that Clause 14 ofTo define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations
might somehow apply simply because the Government owns the BLM land or how BLM land is considered as being a Land Force -- Military Soldiers. Sorry, land does not operate the Government, Land is not a Military Soldier or collection thereof, and justification for BLM Law Enforcement Agents is not the purpose of clause 14. Maybe you would think, for whatever reason, that BLM Agents are somehow a part of the Militia? Follow along here. What is Clause 15?To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces
Now we are getting somewhere. Congress is only supposed to use the Militia to enforce or execute the laws of the United States of America!To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
by David Schott
I'll take the word of "snopes" over "govtrack.us" any day.