io9 wrote:

Before Jesus arrived and his divine father chilled out, the Old Testament God was, ironically, kind of a hellraiser. He was not a nice guy. He really liked killing people. And he may have actually been insane, if his willingness to randomly murder devout worshippers like Moses was any indication. Here are the 12 craziest, most awful things God did in the Old Testament, back before that wacked-out hippie Jesus softened him up.

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http://io9.com/gods-12-bi...1522970429

Didn`t Moses get drunk or something?

Being a Christian, I will pray for you. I am sorry that you feel this way. If you want a real challenge, read the bible. Jesus was far from a hippie. Don't let others convince you with false teachings. The problem sometimes is that people will not give God a chance, they just come to a conclusion based on misinformation and their own opinions. If you really think its all false read the bible from front to back and then come back with a sound argument. That's the challenge, if you reject the challenge you may never know the truth.

^ Hasn't really learned history.

Ummmmm......all that stuff is in the Bible, BS.

And Jesus WAS a hippie.

He ate organic food.

He believed in love.

And beads.

And he never wore no shoes.

bob smith wrote:

Being a Christian, I will pray for you.

Okaay, thank you. I guess. I didn't write it. Just posted a link. It's a topic of discussion. And this is a discussion forum. Right?

I can tell that no one here has really given Jesus a chance. If you want to know the truth read the bible and attend a church service and a bible study. Many churches welcome new faces. Don't be afraid of what you don't know. Many Christians have had doubt earlier in their life until they found Christ. In my younger days I had a hard time really understanding the gospel but with perseverance you will see. If you fail to pick up the bible and read it you are denying yourselves of knowing the truth. Can you read all of the new testament and at least defend your opinion with facts instead of just having an opinion? Some of you can't. Others that give it a try, you are in for a big surprise.

I've read 4 different translations of the Bible, and know it quite well, thank you.

Your ability to know it is questionable. Maybe you read it but you failed to understand? Have you ever given Christ a chance?

Why ask? You just said, "I can tell that no one here has really given Jesus a chance." So apparently you already know how everyone else here (on, uh, the Internet? this site?) thinks.

Why would you post something like that anyways? It is disgraceful to not only Christians but to God himself. If you don't know God I am sorry. If you read four translations, you either don't understand it or you are not telling the truth.

And perhaps my God is better than your God. Or not. There's lots of them, you know.

I asked you Mr. webmaster, I am proving my point. I am a step ahead of you. You cant answer with the truth?

May the Flying Spaghetti Monster touch you with his noodly appendage.

And, yes, I have read the Bible. Cover to cover. In more than one translation. I know there are two stories of creation in Genesis, for starters. And two versions of Noah's ark. Northern and Southern traditions.

There is fascinating stuff in there. Great literature. Also lots of dull, pointless stuff that once made stuff to folks in the Bronze Age.

bob smith wrote:

I asked you Mr. webmaster, I am proving my point. I am a step ahead of you. You cant answer with the truth?

In regards to what? Have I ever given Christ a chance?

I spent many of my younger years educating myself in regards to philosophy and religion, and as part of that, studied multiple translations of the Bible - side by side - page by page - passage by passage - before coming to the conclusions and beliefs that I have.

It took a lot of open minded effort. So I would say yes, I have.

You fail to really understand the bible then Mr. Webmaster. If you are an expert on the bible then you know that some people have ears but will not hear. I can tell you one thing though, that anger in your heart is not good in Gods eyes or most people. You know what I am talking about don't you? You say you have given him a chance but your words suggest that you were hesitant. By giving him a chance I mean really giving him a chance not just I read the book and I thought it was good literature.

And exactly what are we debating? That I don't believe exactly the same thing that you believe, which BTW, is a minority viewpoint on this planet? I also never said I had anger in my heart. You seem pretty steamed up about something though, so perhaps you should look in the mirror.

I will help you if you want it Mr. Webmaster but if you don't then my efforts would be wasted. I wish more people in this world really knew him but I am not the one in control here. If you want to know him you have to really follow the teachings of Jesus and nock on the door if you have one. If you know scripture like I do then you know what I am talking about.

Wow! I love it when someone comes on here and says something against your opinion you people get all upset...I thought we lived in a country with free speech? Or is it just free speech when they agree with what you are saying??

Just because you say you have read the Bible doesn't mean that you have "read" the Bible..obviously the way you people are getting so upset and defensive (over something you started) you got nothing out of the Bible when you read it....

In my opinion Mr. Webmaster I think you should keep your personal posts neutral (or maybe make up an alias when you post stuff like this)....I found this post to be pretty offensive and it makes me glad that I don't use your site but once and a great while (if at all after this post)

Ammorette: I also think that you should get an alias name on here as well, you are the reason I am not a subscriber to the Star as I find a lot of your posts disrespectful and rude.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I respect your opinion on things but there is a good way and a bad way to go about voicing them...You will all be in my prayers and I pray you really do accept God in your life...

bob smith wrote:

I will help you if you want it Mr. Webmaster but if you don't then my efforts would be wasted.

I don't have any problems with your or any one else's beliefs, as long as they don't hurt other people - which I assume they don't. So much ado about nothing.

NikiLynn wrote:

In my opinion Mr. Webmaster I think you should keep your personal posts neutral

Hmm. Okay. Advice taken.

NikiLynn wrote:

(or maybe make up an alias when you post stuff like this)....

Oh, that's rich. Sorry, I don't need to hide who I am.

NikiLynn wrote:

I found this post to be pretty offensive and it makes me glad that I don't use your site but once and a great while (if at all after this post)

Said as you use the site, to say you don't use the site, except but once and a great while ...



Sheesh. This is the "Philosophy, Religion & Theology" forum. And it's for discussing, uhhh... I dunno, perhaps "Philosophy, Religion & Theology"?

Should it be for discussing only one viewpoint? Do I need to change the name of it? Or just not speak? Not sure.

Mr Webmaster: I do believe YOU are the one getting worked up here, Mr. Smith's words are calm and there is no harsh tone to them, as your words do....

I have a question for you though....you say that you "just posted the link and it doesn't reflect your views" but if it doesn't reflect your views, then why did you post it?

I surely wouldn't post something if I didn't agree or believe it...

I never once said "it doesn't reflect my views". Or not. You can all look up above. If you find where I said that, please point it out.

I never said you had to change anything Mr Webmaster....You are the one getting upset here not us...

I was just saying that by you being the owner/operator of a site you should try to be a little more professional that's all...and no I do not use your site very often, maybe once every six months or so, I think the last time I was on your site was last spring.

Mr webmaster, Christ is not a belief to those that know him. Why do you think true Christians are so devoted? If it was just a belief then why? I don't see people arguing on here about Santa and the Easter bunny. John 10:14 "I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me". I am very truly sorry that some don't know him.

Yes I guess you are right Mr. Webmaster you didn't say those exact words, I apologize....

You say that this is a forum to discuss these topics...but from what I get out of what you posted earlier is that we can discuss this IF you agree with it but if you don't we can't discuss it???


I will be praying for you all....enjoy your evening...

Seriously guys, I'm just chatting. I'm not upset about anything. I don't know why you would think that. Apparently I don't have enough emoticons to indicate that.

Bob: I was a Bible thumping Christian for 49 of my 52 years here on earth. I no longer consider myself such because the Bible is FULL of contradictions and thing that may NO sense. Here is a small sampling:

-Please explain how a God that has the creative ability to speak into existence a university with 200+ billion galaxies and each galaxy has 200 billion stars would derive pleasure from the smell of burning goat flesh on our particular pale blue dot.

-Consider the following concerning salvation:

Paul taught the following:

Ephesians 2: 8 - 9
"for by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God - not the result of works, so that no one may boast."

While Jesus said this:

"Thus you will know them by their fruits. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?' Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.' "?

Paul says:

". . . a person is justified not by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by doing the works of the law, because no one will be justified by the works of the law" ? Gal 2:16

"For we hold that a person is justified by faith apart from works prescribed by the law." Rom 3:28]

Jesus is reported as saying:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. "You have heard that it was said to those of ancient times, 'You shall not murder'; and 'whoever murders shall be liable to judgment.' But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister, you will be liable to judgment; and if you insult a brother or sister, you will be liable to the council; and if you say, 'You fool,' you will be liable to the hell of fire. " Matt 5:17-22

" The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of Yahweh is preached, and every man presseth (forces his way) into it. And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail." Luke 16:16-17

"One day an expert on Moses' laws came to test Jesus' orthodoxy by asking him this question: "Teacher, what does a man need to do to live forever in heaven?" Jesus replied, "What does Moses' law say about it?" "It says," he replied, " that you must love the lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind. And you must love your neighbor just as much as you love yourself. " "Right!", Jesus told him. "Do this and you shall live!"" Luke 10:25-37

While Paul clearly taught that we are saved by being passive beneficiaries of what Christ did, JESUS clearly taught that our salvation hinges on what we do (our "works"), along with what God does ( God's "grace")


"You are the salt of the earth; but if salt has lost its taste, how can its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything, but is thrown out and trampled under foot. "You are the light of the world. A city built on a hill cannot be hid. No one after lighting a lamp puts it under the bushel basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven. Matt 4:17-19

"Everyone therefore who acknowledges me before others, I also will acknowledge before my Father in heaven; but whoever denies me before others, I also will deny before my Father in heaven. Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's foes will be members of one's own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it. Matt 10:32-36

Again, which should we obey and which should me ignore? I could go on with numerous other passages.

If the New Testament does not present a unified message in how one is saved, which is the whole point of being a christian, why should we believe anything it says?

-Consider the internal discrepancy concerning the resurrection:

What time did the women visit the tomb?

 Matthew: "as it began to dawn" (28:1)
 Mark: "very early in the morning . . . at the rising of the sun" (16:2, KJV); "when the sun had risen" (NRSV); "just after sunrise" (NIV)
 Luke: "very early in the morning" (24:1, KJV) "at early dawn" (NRSV)

Who were the women?

 Matthew: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (28:1)
 Mark: Mary Magdalene, the mother of James, and Salome (16:1)
 Luke: Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James and other women (24:10)
 John: Mary Magdalene (20:1)

Was the tomb open when they arrived?

 Matthew: No (28:2)
 Mark: Yes (16:4)
 Luke: Yes (24:2)
 John: Yes (20:1)

Where were these messengers situated?

 Matthew: Angel sitting on the stone (28:2)
 Mark: Young man sitting inside, on the right (16:5)
 Luke: Two men standing inside (24:4)
 John: Two angels sitting on each end of the bed (20:12)

What did the messenger(s) say?

 Matthew: "Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead: and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you." (28:5-7)

 Mark: "Be not afrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you." (16:6-7)

 Luke: "Why seek ye the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen:
remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again." (24:5-7)

 John: "Woman, why weepest thou?" (20:13)

Where did the ascension take place?

 Matthew: No ascension. Book ends on mountain in Galilee

 Mark: In or near Jerusalem, after supper (16:1912)

 Luke: In Bethany, very close to Jerusalem, after supper (24:50-51)

 John: No ascension

 Paul: No ascension

 Acts: Ascended from Mount of Olives (1:9-12)


These are just a couple small examples of key doctrines that christianity teaches from the NEW TESTAMENT. There are hundreds of additional examples of such discrepancy.

If the bible is the inerrant "word" why didn't God take more care to make sure and present a consistent message? Why would he go to the effort of inspiring someone to write down His "Word" and not preserve it... the oldest copies of the New Testament date to 150 years after it was written. There are no eye witnesses to anything concerning Jesus. Chronologically, what we know about Jesus come from Paul who never saw or heard Jesus.

In the final analysis, the best thing we can do is set all of this aside and trust our own abilities to reason.

NikiLynn wrote:

I will be praying for you all....

Oh boy, I guess I got more prayers - Yay!(???)

Amorette, Im sorry you fail to understand the bible. If only you could it would mean so much more to you. I also have some advice for you Amorette that I give with all sincerity. You may want to redirect your energy to something more beneficial. Maybe you could tutor children with English problems or donate some of your time to a non profit organization. Being on here arguing with the locals is not productive by any means if you haven't seen that already.

You should be excited Mr. Webmaster....having someone out there praying for you is a wonderful thing, even if you and your fellow "friends" don't think so...

I don't know you or Richard but I am still praying for you, I don't have to but I WANT to....

Also Mr Webmaster, that was pretty childish of you to answer "Yay"....I am a teacher and my 3rd graders talk like that, so what does that say about you?? I really wish you would be more professional on your site..if I were to walk into a store and the owner acted like you do on here I would turn around and never go back (which I guess is partly the reason I don't come on your site but once every 6 months and is the reason I will not give you one cent to help it)....but I guess you have all these people to support it who like to sit on here all day and have nothing else better to do than argue with everyone that doesn't agree with them....

I know your childish response to this will be "oh well, good riddance" but after tonight I will no longer be using your site....Good luck in your ventures and I really do pray that you all will turn to God...

And that's not my response. This site is not for me. It's for all of you. Use it if you like. Or not. Your prerogative. I don't require anyone to donate or contribute, obviously, and for those that choose to do so - can give anything to help keep it going. A couple bucks or whatever helps.

Lordy, lordy though ... I think neither of you actually know who you're talking to though, because Richard and Amorette are two of the better versed people in regards to discussing religion, having spent a great deal of their lives involved with it.

You two, who are both posting under aliases, IMO, have offered nothing substantial to discuss or debate or even talk about, except basically - pointing out you've got your panties in a bunch because someone else has posted something you personally don't agree with.

Am I wrong?

Hey it's a semi-free country, don't like the webmaster why not just type in another web address? Then YAY you will be off this site

Richard, you said you were a Christian but I don't think you ever were. If you understand the term Christian then you know why you would have that faith. God does give you that faith and if you don't understand that then you never received it. If you never received that faith then that's why you fell away. You never knew him did you? Going to church doesn't make you a Christian. If you want to pick apart the bible then you never received that faith. There may just be a reason that you did not receive that faith, I don't know. With faith you understand, without it you don't. John 10:14 "I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me". I don't have all the answers only God does.

If someone read the bible and they don't understand it then they haven't been given ears to hear. Its so amazing that someone would claim to know the bible and not know about the holy spirit or know that verse. If you read scripture and have been given ears then you will understand. Sorry guys, I am going to get some sleep so I can do something productive tomorrow instead of sitting on milescity.com and arguing with the locals. I think I have wasted a lot of time on here, and for what? What has anyone accomplished LOL. Good night and God Bless.

"bob smith" is the alias I sometimes use when checking into a local motel with someone I've met earlier in the evening.

Finally. A winner in this argument.

bob smith said:

Richard, you said you were a Christian but I don't think you ever were. If you understand the term Christian then you know why you would have that faith. God does give you that faith and if you don't understand that then you never received it.

Umm... ironically, there is more evidence here on MC.com (if you know how to make the search engine work) that I was a believer than you can provide evidence for God's existence in the first place. I think what happened to me, bob, is best stated by Paul in 1Cor 13:11 "When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish thinking and reasoning."

Secondly, if God gives faith or "ears" (in grade school they called me "big ears Bonine" so I've got ears )and I don't understand, it seems like that is God's problem in communication, not mine. If I give you an item as a gift, but you somehow think you still have to pay for that item, the misunderstanding of you not receiving it as a gift, is my poor communication skills, not your questioning about who paid for the item.

I WANT to believe. My life would be significantly less complicated right now if I could go back to reasoning like a child. I have simply read the Bible too many times to continue to ignore the glaring contradictions.

Again,(I've laid out all the scriptures in my previous post) Paul clearly taught that we are saved by being passive beneficiaries of what Jesus Christ did on the cross. Jesus Christ, clearly taught that our salvation hinges on what we do (our "works"), along with what God does (God's "grace"). The central tenant of Christianity is that we need salvation. The Bible does not present a unified picture of how we are saved. It poorly communicates who is paying for the "gift" and how that "gift" is too be appropriated. And from a church history perspective it was 400 years AFTER Jesus walked the earth that the reasoning for WHY we needed a "gift" was created.

If the New Testament does not present a unified message in how one is saved, which is the whole point of being a christian, why should we believe anything it says?

If you are going to dabble in apologetics, bob, you have to come to grips with such questions.

Regarding prayer: My contention is that if you trusted and believed God as much as you claim you do, you wouldn't pray at all. If you truly have the faith you claim to have, who are you to attempt to change the mind of one who is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent?

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Wow, Larry, way to wake up a boring forum center.

Larry, thanks for giving me something "upworthy" for FB. Amorette, Richard, for a great read find Christopher Moore's "Lamb."

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Here is a great website that addresses all of the contradictions etc. in the bible...

http://www.project-reason...e_project/

"My head hurts, my feet stink, and I don't love Jesus"- Frank Zappa.

TBH, I find the sudden popularity of the 'X things that Y' formulation to be annoying as hell, and so I generally avoid reading any of them.

With that said, while I'm sure most of the examples of the above can, with the proper nuance and hermanutic, be made intelligible to our modern sensibilities, it should also be noted that those types of mental gymnastics does terrible violence to the meaning of the terrible violence enthusiastically promoted by a culture and a context that have long passed into dust.

The late bronze age was a hard time, and it made for some hard people. We live in a different time, and we are different people. If you take the stance that the old testament is a collection of works whereby a society tries to decide how and what to worship, instead of being some sort of soteriological power point that was unfortunately garbled on the receiving end, you'll probably be better off (if not actually happier) in the long run.

Tucker, if you liked "Lamb", You may also like " The Stupidest Angel" also by Christopher Moore.


It was Chris Christopherson who taught us that "Jesus was a Capricorn who ate organic food" I was once Missouri Synod, too, Richard.
I thought I should add this to let you know how serious I take this discussion.

Not Frank, ungyded. That was Jimmy.

I was just going to say.
Old time GOD-Badass. Cross him and he'll level your city, flood the entire planet, turn you into a block of salt.
New Testament GOD-Full of love and forgiveness.
Both invented and written about by man.
What I want to know is why most right wing christians take their beliefs from the old testament, when to be christian you should be following the New Testament?

Don't think of it as arguing religion. Think of it as discussing irrelevant literature. Both are futile but there is more chance of being mentally stimulated by the latter.

Wow, stuff just got real!

I've been a "baby" christian most of my adult life. Like Richard, I have a hard time believing that the Protestant and Catholic Bibles are 100% the Word of God. You have to bend around quite a bit to make some parts agree with each other. I know that Bible scholars can do that. I know that collected writings can't be judged as complete and it can be rationally compared to the Blind Men and the Elephant, with different "inspired" writers focusing on different aspects, to account for some of the discrepencies. Also, the nature of God, our heavenly Father, can seem radically different, sometimes all justice and accountability and sometimes all grace and forgiveness (as I'm sure I seem to my child and grandchild).

I have to hope that the Bible is a trustworthy guide, but not perhaps the Be All and End All. I really wish I could "hear" the voice of God, but, frankly, the best evidence that I have is the perception of sometimes answering prayer in dramatic ways, and a feeling that while I may not thrive in my current, persistent spriritual state, but at least I won't drown. I'm either being taught the same lessons over and over about trusting God for today (and only today), and/or I'm just not able to grow enough spiritually to thrive materially.

And that's as real as it gets...

Three things pop out to me after reading the entries on this thread:

1) The defenders of the Old Testament authors' and translators' version of God on this thread have adopted the argument that "If you disagree with my interpretation of the Bible, then you don't understand it" --- which is not-so-surprisingly a direct parallel to the Bible's "I am the Word of God and if you question it then you are guilty of blasphemy."

2) The defenders of the Old Testament authors' and translators' version of God on this thread accuse anyone who disagrees with their view of Christianity of being intolerant of other opinions - yet they are the ones who feel it necessary to "pray for" anyone who disagrees with them. Kind of ironic.

3) The defenders of the Old Testament authors' and translators' version of God would have us believe that every word in the Bible is to be taken literally and every edict attributed to God is to be followed unconditionally - yet there is no way to do that, as proven many times by many scholars, but most entertainly by AJ Jacobs in his wonderful book A YEAR OF LIVING BIBLICALLY. I highly recommend the defenders of the Old Testament authors' and translators' version of God pick up a copy of THAT GOOD BOOK and read it from cover to cover because if the Old Testament really is the Word of God, then you have to wonder why a Being capable of creating billions of stars and planets in the universe couldn't remain consistent across the 66 book in the Bible.

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On the 8th day God created MC.com, and then he needed to rest again.

One day a drunk MC.commer (not saying who) stumbled along a baptismal service on a Sunday afternoon down by the Oasis. He proceeded to walk down into the water and stand next to the preacher.

The minister turned and noticed the old drunk and said, “Mister, Are you ready to find Jesus?” The drunk looked back and said, “Yes,Preacher. I sure am.”

The minister then dunked the fellow under the water and pulled him right back up. “Have you found Jesus?” the preacher asked.
“No, I didn’t!” said the drunk.

The preacher then dunked him under for quite a bit longer, brought him up and said, “Now, brother, have you found Jesus?”
“No, I did not Reverend.”

The preacher in disgust held the man under for at least 30 seconds
then brings him out of the water and says in a harsh tone, “My
God, have you found Jesus yet?”

The old drunk wipes his eyes and says to the preacher…”Are you sure this is where he fell in?”

From the Newest Testament- The Book of Becuzicus Iridezebus.

PS- tithe to MC.com and live forever- or until the server fails.

:inthoughtfulprayer:
FH

I agree with Frank.

Not trying to offend but I thought Larry might like this.

That is a brilliant song. Unfortunately, I'm guessing we won't see it on the Top 40 Countdown anytime soon.

That whole album is pretty amazing, really...

An article in last Fridays MILES CITY STAR regarding the 12,000 plus year old archaeological site near Livingston illustrates mans age old belief in a higher power, a spirit world, and life after death.

Indeed, going back 70,000 years Neanderthals had the beginnings of the same ritualistic burial practice. By the Cro Magnon age of 40,000 years ago it had become more elaborate.

It must be comforting to believe in life after death, that your loved ones are in a much better place, and you may be reunited someday. That you are different from a dead dog stinking in the ditch.

Ques sera sera

Hi Ike! Good to see you (or at least your post).

It is comforting to think of my loved ones in Heaven, and that I'll join them some day. But if my dogs aren't there, too, then it won't be Heaven to me and I'll opt to go where ever they are === even if that means rotting in a ditch on the side of a road.

Somehow I don't think that will happen. I take comfort in the idea that dogs deserve Heaven much more than the majority of humans. I mean, does anyone really think the fact that DOG is GOD spelled backwards is simply a coincidence?

Google the poem, "The Rainbow Bridge" and you will feel better about your dogs.

Thanks Ike. I've read it many times. It is a comfort, and while that may be all it is, I'm counting it being much more!

Darn us Ike. It appears we've gone a ruined a perfectly good mud-wrestling thread by being all nicey-nice. When was the last time that happened? The MC.commies are going to give us a good thrashing!

libtards

Nice one. Took you a year to think of it.

I was hoping for another opportunity to post these words of wisdom again.

Whenever life gets you down, Mrs.Brown
And things seem hard or tough
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft
And you feel that you've had quite enough

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned
A sun that is the source of all our power

The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour
Of the galaxy we call the 'milky way'

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide

We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point
We go 'round every two hundred million years
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, the speed of light, you know
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is

So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly unlikely is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause it's bugger all down here on Earth

Tucker,
Really liked your posting. I passed it along on FB to my friends.