http://www.foxnews.com/st...73,00.html
Bush OKs More Border Security Funds in Hopes of Reviving Immigration Bill

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19209733/
NBC/WSJ poll: Republicans abandoning Bush
President's, Congress' ratings drop to lowest levels ever

Unless Wilford is an illegal alien, I think we can put the BTKWB theory to bed.

of course it could be worse...

http://www.rasmussenrepor...fall_to_19
"Harry Reid's Favorables Fall to 19%"

19%! Wow.

Actually I'm kinda hoping they sneak this turd through the Senate this time. I'd like to see all the weeping and gnashing of teeth in the house when Pelosi pulls out the whips and chains to control all those new Democrats up for reelection in conservative districts.

[This message has been edited by Rick Kuchynka (edited 6/14/2007).]

I am deeply disappointed in you, Rick, that you do not support our President on this issue.

Rick is not a patriot.

Rick is not falling in line behind our commander-in-chief.

Actually I'm kinda hoping they sneak this turd through the Senate this time. I'd like to see all the weeping and gnashing of teeth in the house when Pelosi pulls out the whips and chains to control all those new Democrats up for reelection in conservative districts.

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You know, Rick. I am disappointed.

You would trade the security of our country for partisan political gain.

You're rooting for the passage of a bill that would make our borders less safe, just so there will be more members of Congress with an "R" behind their name.

Rooting against America like that. It's almost treasonous.

I agree, Bob. I don't understand why Rick hates America so much.

Gunnar, you must not have read Code 727a.0001 of the Conservative bylaws on anti-Americanism.

... Any legislation spearheaded by and/or otherwise sponsored by Ted Kennedy must never, without exception, be described as "Good for America" or "The Right Thing to Do"

Gunnar, you must not have read Code 727a.0001 of the Conservative bylaws on anti-Americanism.

... Any legislation spearheaded by and/or otherwise sponsored by Ted Kennedy must never, without exception, be described as "Good for America" or "The Right Thing to Do"

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Wow, Rick.

You're not........very bright.

I'm so sorry.

Ahhh....this explains why you hate "No Child Left Behind" so much, even though it is the cornerstone of the Bush Administration's education policy. Things are starting to make sense here. The only thing that still puzzles me, Rick, is why you haven't locked in the "caps lock" button on your keyboard?

I'm not really a fan of NCLB. I remember some conservatives even complaining about the name of it back when it came out. The argument was that if you mean what you say with "No Child Left Behind," you could basically justify an infinite level of Federal involvement, with no hope of ever reaching that goal.

I don't really see that it did any harm in an already-broken system. But the money would have been much better spent on vouchers.

But a proposal like that would've made Special Ted's head explode with tolerant and compassionate rage. Which of course, should be the goal of any decent conservative policy.

I actually have to give credit to Bush and the Senate for this immigration bill. Similar to what you are saying for NCLB, its not the greatest thing in the world, but its better than nothing for a system that's already broke. There are a lot of positive benefits to be gained for this country and our workers by establishing a guest worker program.

The immigration bill is a classic example of something my faction in government, the moderates, believe in. The fact that both conservatives and liberals hate it makes the bill very attractive to us moderates.

The part that really rubs conservatives the wrong way on immigration is that it basically concedes that everyone was sold a bill of goods in every piece of immigration legislation put out over the last 20 years. Government keeps promising to fix the problem with new legislation and more money.

But then in the details of the bill, they're promising the same things they've promised over and over again and always failed to even honestly try to deliver. Why is this time any different? You can't lie over and over and over again, and then make the same promise yet again, saying "this time we really mean it, trust us"

Meanwhile they're attaching new unmanageable federal visa programs when they can't even manage the programs they already have. So in short, we'll end up with more red tape (larger government) that will ultimately still be ignored by illegal immigrants.

I have to say I do applaud our newest Senator for realizing he needs to represent Montana on this instead of his party. Baucus so far also seems to be taking the right angle. But he usually comes back to Montana a little when it's election time. That's what impresses me more about Tester's stand. Hopefully he'll keep it up.

http://tester.senate.gov/...?id=275093

Rick, stop calling Republicans conservative. They have spent more money than the entire continent of Africa.

While the government claims to be for immigration reform they are planning on building a super highway from Canada to Kansas City and on to Mexico City. The Boarders will be brought down and the North American dollar will be born. Our U.S. dollar, the bill of rights and the constitution will be history. Globalism will role over North America like a steam roller- enjoy.


[This message has been edited by Van (edited 6/17/2007).]

I think immigration legislation *is* a smokescreen. Politicians know that they can't stop illegal immigration, and they don't really want to because a lot of US business is dependent on cheap Mexican labor and the US certainly doesn't have an unemployment problem. Really enforcing the immigration laws would seriously damage relations with Mexico, do a lot of damage to US farmers, and raise the price of a lot of things in the US. Still, people get up in arms over it, so the politicians write legislation to look like they're trying to do something about it, while maintaining the status quo because they know that is really what needs to be done.