Out Of Town Support For Miles City
Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3751) 18 years ago
Hello Everyone,

As someone who's family has ties to Miles City I was wondering if someone can direct me to some local businesses that those of us from out of town can do to support MC in liu of the proposed Walmart Supercentre. It may be small but for those of us that do have ties to the Miles City area but are no longer close to Miles City can do to counter-act Walmart.

Sincerely,

Kyle Varnell
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Posted by Hill girl in West Virginia (+51) 18 years ago
maybe you should think about this........

I've seen where citys have fought the wal-mart coming in, it costed the city a few thousand and the wal-mart just built 10 miles out of town. I think you should look at it another way. How it will help Miles City.

I to am from Miles City and I feel they should get rid of the Casinos, ban smoking in public areas, creat a sales tax and lower the property taxes. THEN.. Miles city would grow and I would move back there.

[This message has been edited by Hill girl in West Virginia (edited 2/24/2004).]
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Posted by CSW (+16) 18 years ago
What ever happened to Montana being "THE LAST BEST PLACE" ?
Why can't we learn from the experiences of other small communities? We have an opportunity to do things best.
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Posted by James Shaw (+37) 18 years ago
A Sales Tax? You've got to be kidding..

This state has been Sales Tax free for decades. I'm glad I don't have to pay Sales Tax on everything (stationed in San Diego for 3 1/2 years). It keeps the living costs down for us on Low Income.
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Posted by tracy pask (+91) 18 years ago
Reply to Girl in West Virginia...
If you think smoking is the problem you have another thing coming. The Casinos yes is a problem. Yes I am a smoker... I lived in Arizona for four years and yes they had smoking laws everywhere. To be honest, it didn't bother me, but please don't say that Miles City would be better if we had smoking laws. This is the least of our worries. What about the fact that there is no place to buy descent shoes, we only have Maurices for clothing, and what about the fact that we don't have enough Day Care for people who do find work. Right now finding Day Care is a big problem. I could have a Day Care that has an opening right now, but by the time I get a job there could be nothing. Also, why doesn't Miles City have bus transportation for school kids. Since Miles City does have the highest property taxes that I have seen what is the city spending it on. I feel this is a real problem and very upset that are State and City don't focus on our school systems, daycare and the fact that parents have to leave work for 30 minutes to go get their kids and drop them off at daycare. (And don't tell me that when you choose to be a parent this is part of it.) It is part of all of us as a community to try to get the best for our kids and make it easier for Day Care providers. So they aren't the ones who have to load up the little ones to go pick up the bigger kids.
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Posted by Hill girl in West Virginia (+51) 18 years ago
Hi YA ALL,

Well, I must have hit a nerve.

All I can say is - GO TRACY! GO TRACY! Take it to the next city counsel meeting and make them, make some changes. You can do it, your a tax payer. Stand tall, you can do it.
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Posted by Brady Stone (+165) 18 years ago
Hill girl, I adimire your fortitude, I disagree with you on alot of issues. However, keep up the good work, if you do not have your own opinions then what? Tracy-Property tax- it goes up for the owner of property every year but the amount of that tax given back to the County or the City is set at a 1978 level. Why the state of Montana will not give more money back to the local governments is because the Republicans in this state neeed the money to run this state into the ground for another 20 years. I am not sure how we can get any lower since we are dead last in every catigory now. As for a sales tax PPL or what ever their names are now?? Old Montana Power- is lobbying for a sales tax as we speak in lue of property tax. Why? Because if they can have property tax taken away they will save themselves millions of dollars every year. That sounds great for them but who is going to pay for the services that used to be funded by them. We are, the tax payer. In essance PPl would rather their employees pay the tax than themselves. It is a redistribution of taxes and they would come out the winner and the citizens of Montana would pay the taxes that PPL used to pay. I know, what about all the tourists that we are missing when it comes to taxes. We are already getting them- It is called a bed tax and a gas tax. The last thing that we need is another tax on the middle class of Montana.
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Posted by tracy pask (+91) 18 years ago
Brady...
I know I talked about taxes a little, you obviously didn't get my whole point. It was more about our community, city and state to start looking at our children's need and not their's. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote before you go off on me about taxes, you must be having a bad day...
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Posted by kyle wolff (+60) 18 years ago
Hill girl,All i can say is obviously
you have not seen our city counsel.
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Posted by Gail (+40) 18 years ago
In regards to Walmart: They create jobs, yes, but with low paying jobs with very few benefits. In the Walmart Super Center in my town, the majority of the employees are still on public assistance because of the low wages. Now when they open the new supercenter, the other businesses will suffer, and all those employees will be out of work and they will be on public assistance. So how is Walmart helping? Miles City is a depressed town because of alot of reasons, but Walmart will not help, in the long run it will make it worse.
In regards to the bus transportation for school kids, you can walk anywhere in Miles City in 20-30 minutes. Why would you want to raise your taxes for bus service? I moved back to Miles for 3 months about 2 years ago, and realized that was a definite wrong move. Great people, but no business. You need to attract more businesses to improve the economy (and I am NOT talking about Walmart).
Thanks for listening.

[This message has been edited by Gail (edited 3/3/2004).]
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Posted by tracy pask (+91) 18 years ago
About the bus transportation... so you can walk anywhere in 20 to 30 minutes, but when you have younger kids what kind of parent would want them to walk by themselves. I don't. Do you have kids? For such a small community why do we need city workers to have scanners for the water meter so they don't have to get out of there vehicle. Again something our tax dollars will be going towards. It's not that the kids are unable to walk home or to their daycare... it's more about safety. Safety from sexual offenders, and yes Miles City has a lot, and safety from traffic, because a lot of people fly on the roads here. It's also about helping the parent's in this community along with the children. Another question for you, does the Middle School really need a hot lunch program? The high school doesn't even have one. I can see the elementary schools having one, but the middle school don't need one. These kids are old enough to go get lunch and also know the time they should be getting back to school. There is a lot of funding going towards the City and the Middle School that is really not necessary. That's where our tax dollars are going. I rather it go toward the safety of our children.
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Posted by Hill girl in West Virginia (+51) 18 years ago
When I grew up there, I had to walk 12 blocks to and from school (no, not all of it was uphill). I hated it, and yes I believe Miles City should have a bus system for the school kids (for many reasons). Not just some, all of them. I also believe they should all get hot lunches, all the way through 12th grade. Where is all the gaming money going? I was under the impression all that money was supposed to go to education. Isn't this part of education?

Children are the future, not only for Miles City....

Regards

and no, I have no kids



[This message has been edited by Hill girl in West Virginia (edited 3/4/2004).]
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Posted by Tana Whicker (+15) 18 years ago
Hill girl said, "I too am from Miles City and I feel they should get rid of the Casinos, ban smoking in public areas, creat a sales tax and lower the property taxes. "

and

"I believe Miles City should have a bus system for the school kids (for many reasons). Not just some, all of them. I also believe they should all get hot lunches, all the way through 12th grade. Where is all the gaming money going?"

AMEN to ALL of that, sister!

Whoops! Did I say that out loud?

Tana

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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 18 years ago
Problem is, if we got rid of smoking and casinos, you'd be cutting about $80 million out of the state's budget. Not exactly the best way to find funding for those new buses and cafeterias.

Plus, we'd have to find new jobs for nearly 5% of our wage-earning workforce. Like them or not, casinos are here to stay for quite some time.
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Posted by Hill girl in West Virginia (+51) 18 years ago
Gee Rick your probably right, I don't see how all those other states are making it and providing for the children too. (Maybe they are getting their money from Montana gaming too) We better not try to change anything.

Maybe Miles City should just stay the way it is, and always has been, because everyone is happy and its working for Miles City citizens, oh I mean its working for Rick. Well for the most part. right Rick. You must be happy.

Thats the way we like it. Keep Rick happy and no one gets hurt.
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Posted by tracy pask (+91) 18 years ago
Rick, so it's $80 million huh, wow do we pay our people on the Capital well don't we. Because it isn't going in to OUR community. If the Casino's are such a big help why don't I see it as a parent. The smoking thing, no big deal to me, the Casino's don't really matter to me either. But if what you said is true, why does our city offer very little in the community for our kids for transportation and for hot lunch programs? Someone is making a lot of money and we just sit back and let them instead of fighting for the things that we truely believe in and feel that our community needs. I mean look at the VA, look at the old Hospital, two buildings sitting there and nothing done to them. No one will lease them, to expensive thanks to the county. Does eveyone sit on there ass and do nothing about it. Grant it, I haven't done anything yet, but I just moved back about three months ago and didn't really know what was going on. I am REAL serious about the transportation thing and am thinking about taking it to Council or further if I have to. I just want to make sure I do my research so I know what I am talking about.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 18 years ago
I have no aversion to change in Miles City. I'm just stating the facts. Here's what you're proposing:

Cut 15% of state gov't revenue
Put 16,000 Casino employees out of work
Spend millions on new school district programs.

It's just not feasible.

I agree that we should provide lunches to our schoolchildren. I'm not sold on the bus transportation in Miles City. (I too walked or rode my bike to and from school) I'm open to the idea, but I'm not sure the high cost would be worth the benefit.

I totally disagree with any form of smoking ban. Businesses should be free to decide whether people can smoke or not. I feel the same way about closing the Casinos. Why do we feel so free to impose our will on others? Casinos and smoking are symptoms of our society's ills. Abolishing them is simply a feel-good solution.

"Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes."

-Abraham Lincoln
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Posted by tracy pask (+91) 18 years ago
Rick, so it's $80 million huh, wow do we pay our people on the Capital well don't we. Because it isn't going in to OUR community. If the Casino's are such a big help why don't I see it as a parent. The smoking thing, no big deal to me, the Casino's don't really matter to me either. But if what you said is true, why does our city offer very little in the community for our kids for transportation and for hot lunch programs? Someone is making a lot of money and we just sit back and let them instead of fighting for the things that we truely believe in and feel that our community needs. I mean look at the VA, look at the old Hospital, two buildings sitting there and nothing done to them. No one will lease them, to expensive thanks to the county. Does eveyone sit on there ass and do nothing about it. Grant it, I haven't done anything yet, but I just moved back about three months ago and didn't really know what was going on. I am REAL serious about the transportation thing and am thinking about taking it to Council or further if I have to. I just want to make sure I do my research so I know what I am talking about.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 18 years ago
Tracy, the state pays the Lion's Share of our school district's operating costs. That's how the money comes back into our community. You may feel that your child needs transportation. Others may or may not feel the same. My point is, either way, it isn't free.
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Posted by Tana Whicker (+15) 18 years ago
Rick said, "I totally disagree with any form of smoking ban. Businesses should be free to decide whether people can smoke or not. I feel the same way about closing the Casinos. Why do we feel so free to impose our will on others? Casinos and smoking are symptoms of our society's ills. Abolishing them is simply a feel-good solution."

Baloney. *I* should be free to go to a restaurant or watch my kids play soccer or stand on the street to watch the Bucking Horse Sale parade without having to put my health at risk. I should be free to breathe clean air in public places. It's sounds cliche, but the moment your smoke hits my nose, you're invading my rights. I'm sick and tired of this being sugar coated. Rick asks, "Why do we feel so free to impose our will on others?" Whose will is being imposed on whom? It is a FACT that cigarettes are dangerous. It is a FACT that second-hand smoke is dangerous. It is a FACT that our healthcare costs are skyrocketing for two primary reasons: obesity and SMOKING. When I have to suffer the repercussions of someone else's bad choices, their will is effectively being imposed on ME.

Abolishing public smoking is the future. I truly believe it will happen. California, Utah, and cities in other states are setting the stage and eventually, I think even Miles City will follow suit. Abolishing smoking in public places may not cure all of society's ills, but it's certainly a step in the right direction.

Grrrr. (breathe, 2, 3, 4, breathe, 2, 3, 4...)

Tana
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 18 years ago
Wow, I'm getting really popular

Anywho, I don't smoke, so my smoke isn't hitting your nose anywhere you go.

But stating a business is a public place is like saying your front lawn is a public place. The public does not own your front lawn. People may feel free to walk on your front lawn, or even sleep on your front lawn. You, however are free to tell them to go away, or let them do whatever they want. It's your call.

For me this has nothing to do with smoker's rights, it has to do with business' rights. If you don't like people smoking in an establishment, make it known to that establishment. A business will ban smoking if they know they lose more $$$ from non-smokers who leave than they get from smokers who stay. If the business doesn't respond, don't go there. It isn't your right to go into that person's establishment anymore than it's my right to sleep on your front lawn.

Tobacco has a history going back thousands of years, and it is mostly a problem when used beyond moderation. It is our excessive use of it that hits our healthcare budget. The same can be said about Coca-Cola, Mountain Dew, and many of the empty-calorie foods that cause obesity and diabetes. Maybe we should ban those too. The upcoming diabetes epidemic, if left unchecked, will cost hundreds of billions in healthcare dollars. Maybe we should ban most children's cereals and snacks, as well as candies and artificial fruit drinks.

My bottom line is that you can't protect people from themselves.
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3751) 18 years ago
Rick,

I agree with your assesment of our excesses that causes a majority of our problems in life.

I do have a question for you however.

My parents have often said that I am an excessive pain in the you know where to them for years.

Am I therefore banned from myself ?

Kyle :-D
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Posted by StoveGirl (+188) 18 years ago
Two words. Industrial Park. Miles City would benefit from an industrial park. The "Fathers" of our city however, would also like to keep Miles City the "way it has always been". I have since moved from Miles city and can tell you that I will never move back. There is nothing there for the kids to do besides hang out on main street and create problems after dark.
I found the statement interesting that the schools do not need a hot lunch program. Its interesting because this is coming from someone who has kids. I'm sure she would be leaning the other direction once her kids go from daycare to school aged.
As far as banning smoking from public places. AMEN! Our state has just recently passed that very law. Best thing they have ever done. Business has increased accross the state especially in restraunts.
Daycare, I am lucky enough to have a sitter who will pick up my kids from my house and drop them off after I return from work. I have a sitter like that because I shopped around and compared. And yes, when you decide to become a parent, you take on other hats. This is just the start for you and everytime something does not go your way, you can't just say........."and don't say that I took it on as a parent." Cop out!
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 18 years ago
That must be why kids in Los Angeles never get into any trouble. There's so much other stuff to do! I wouldn't trade growing up in Miles City for anything, and would have said the same thing back then (those many many years ago )
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Posted by StoveGirl (+188) 18 years ago
Our community, mostly businesses including Wal-Mart, helps to sponser dances for all age groups from Kindergarten up. They have them every two or three weeks. The only good thing I can say about growing up in Miles City is that as a kid you were able to play freely in the neighborhood with friends down the street without getting harrassed by bigger kids. Not the case anymore. Also, we did not cause damage to property as the middle school kids are doing now. I know one thing, if I moved back with my kids, they would be denied many of things which our community does here that Miles City does not provide.
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Posted by Carol Bean (+258) 18 years ago
I grew up here and still live here. (Moved back after college.) In fact, I think I probably graduated with you, Stove Girl. Granted, there are many things that a larger city has to offer kids that our community does not provide. But there are many things that are available if you look for them. I have young kids and I do look for opportunities for them socially. At Easter time, many of the churches provide Easter Egg Hunts which my kids love. There is story hour at the library. Although my kids are yet too young, I have heard WONDERFUL things about the R.O.C.K.S. program (after-school program.) Aside from these opportunities, I am glad to know that my kids are growing up in a safe community. We don't have the big city crime to worry about. I know that we do have sexual predators in our community. Many communities do. And like anywhere, these day, playing outside is scarier than it used to be. But Miles City is home and in my opinion, a great place to raise a family!!!
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Posted by StoveGirl (+188) 18 years ago
I'm glad you have found, in your Opinion, Miles City a great place to raise a family. I, in my opinion, find the city I'm in a better place to raise a family. But thats all they are, our opinions. It is what and how we go about it that really makes a community a good or bad place to raise a family.
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Posted by Carol Bean (+258) 18 years ago
Very true!
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