Posted by Kacey (+3161) 9 years ago
Biden did a great job tonight. Ryan still didn't answer the questions he was asked. So for those friends of mine who read MC.com and are Romney/Ryan supporters...those people who are middle class on a good day..remember Romney and Ryan plan on taking away YOUR tax deductions for home mortages, education funds, etc...to allow the rich to keep their tax deductions.

Slaves for Romney and Ryan, get in line and take a number. The 47% will be handed out jumpsuits after the Inauguration if our country is stupid enough to vote them in.

That includes all the people on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, student loans, military benefits, etc....

AND all those who have jobs because of the elderly, students and military.

And the stores who get their business from these 47% who will no longer have money to spend.

And...enough. I think you should get the point by now.
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Posted by Ag (+58) 9 years ago
I only saw the last half of the debate, but I thought it is an equal match. Both sides did a good job of presenting their ticket's viewpoints, and people just need to decide which viewpoint resonates best with their personal beliefs on the economy, foreign policy, the role of govt., etc. The debate did a pretty good job at highlighting those differences, and the moderator did an excellent job.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17485) 9 years ago
I would have to concur with Ag, and call it a tie.

Joe Biden did a great job of calling on the Romney/Ryan BS, but Paul Ryan did an equally commendable job of taking it in, as seems to be the current GOP stance of not letting facts stand in their way.

I would give the edge to Biden, but I do not think his way of chuckling to himself and shaking his head while Ryan was speaking and lying through his teeth endeared him too much to the undecided voter.

So I will call this one even.
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Posted by Elizabeth Emilsson (+787) 9 years ago
Right on, Kacey. You picked up right away what's at stake. When Ryan said there weren't enough rich people to pay the bills.He forgot to mention that the 1% control 93 % of our nation's wealth.

The republicans are trying to replay that old ploy Ronald Reagan used in making the middle class believe thay were getting a tax break when they took away the deduction of the interest on their credit cards. At that time the interest rate was running from 17 to 24% and the banks who collected it no longer had to pay tax on
it.
How's that for fair, taxpayer.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14970) 9 years ago
Umm... not so much. I was disappointed in Joe's performance. I thought he was obnoxious, condescending, and failed to point out the hypocrisy that is Paul Ryan.

Ryan wants to run around the country talking about how government needs to be cut, creating a false dichotomy between the public and priviate sectors, and how small business build this country. The VP had an opportunity to expose Ryan and IMO he failed to deliver the knockout punch. Consider the following:

BY SALLY KOHN
TUESDAY, AUG 14, 2012
Abstract:
His family built its fortune on the public-works projects that Romney's "You didn't build that" campaign mocks.


When Paul Ryan took to the stage in Mooresville, North Carolina, as Mitt Romney's running mate, he attacked President Obama's "you didn't build that" remark about the role of government in supporting private innovation. But while Republicans have been clamoring to make this election a false dichotomy between the private sector and the public sector, Paul Ryan - heir to a private fortune made by building public highways - is a gaping pothole in that plan. Paul Ryan is a living, breathing GOP example of how public infrastructure and private entrepreneurship work hand-in-hand.

Paul Ryan's great-grandfather started a construction company to build railroads and, eventually, highways. According to the Web site of Ryan Incorporated Central, the company was "founded in 1884 with a single team of mules building railroad embankments in Southern Wisconsin." And in the 1800s, railroad construction was subsidized by the federal government. Mid-century, President Lincoln signed the Pacific Railway Act into law, providing taxpayer dollars to fund the construction of a transcontinental railway. All railroads thereafter connected to, and benefited from, that public investment.

At the turn of the century, Ryan Inc. turned to road building. A subsidiary family corporation, Ryan Incorporated Southern, states on its Web site, "The Ryan workload from 1910 until the rural interstate Highway System was completed 60 years later [and] was mostly Highway construction." The $119 billion spent by the federal government on the Interstate Highway System was, by one account, "the largest public works program since the Pyramids."

And, according to the Ryan Inc. Web site, the company completed "some of the original work at what would become O'Hare Airport" in Chicago. Originally, O'Hare Airport was a manufacturing base for World War II transport planes. In other words, it's likely that construction project, too, was paid for by tax dollars. A current search of Defense Department contracts suggests that "Ryan Incorporated Central" has had at least 22 defense contracts with the federal government since 1996 , including one from 1996 worth $5.6 million.

When President Obama said that we succeed in America "because of our individual initiative but also because we do things together," he was actually speaking in more general terms - about manufacturing companies that ship their goods on our railways and highways and thus indirectly benefit from that public infrastructure. With a net worth of up to $3.2 million and ranking as the 124th richest member of Congress, Paul Ryan very directly and very significantly benefited from the federal spending he now rails against.

Or does he? What's funny is that Mr. Anti-Spending secured millions in earmarks for his home state of Wisconsin, including, among other things, $3.3 million for highway projects. And Ryan voted to preserve $40 billion in special subsidies for big oil, an industry in which, it so happens, Ryan and his wife hold ownership stakes. Yet Ryan wants to gut financial aid for college students, food stamps for hungry families, Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security - the very things that have, historically, helped poor families climb the ladder of opportunity in America.

And this is precisely the problem with the Romney-Ryan vision for America: It takes the ladder of opportunity and public infrastructure that helped the previous generation and yanks it up for the next generation. Your grandfather went to college on the GI Bill? We're not even going to give you measly Pell Grants! Your grandmother lived independently thanks to Social Security? We're giving yours to Wall Street to crash with the rest of our economy! Your great-grandfather got rich building public railways and roads? We're going to cut taxes for the rich to historic lows and raise taxes on the struggling middle class to barely cover the cost of plugging potholes!

It's "I Got Mine, Now Screw You!" economics. This kind of hard-heartedness may appeal to the extreme fringe base of Republican voters, but it is as repulsive to mainstream voters as it is corrosive to the American dream. The Romney-Ryan budget focuses 62 percent of its cuts on programs that help the poor - in order to pay for more tax breaks for the already-rich and, incidentally, raise the deficit.

"Of course we believe in government," Ryan said to the New Yorker's Ryan Lizza. "We think government should do what it does really well, but that it has limits, and obviously within those limits are things like infrastructure, interstate highways, and airports." In other words, the government spending that helped Ryan's family get ahead falls within the proper role of government. The government spending that helps other families get ahead .? Fortunately, Ryan Inc. also builds landfills, so we'll have somewhere to bury all that wasteful spending on the poor and middle class.


http://www.salon.com/2012...singleton/
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Posted by SD (+1527) 9 years ago
I cringed at Biden`s JFK remark. He was annoying and obnoxious. He interrupted Ryan at least 82 times , and the liberator interrupted also. Obama attended the liberator`s wedding.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9224) 9 years ago
"He just wouldn't let Ryan tell all of the lies he wanted"

butthurt fail.
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Posted by howdy (+4945) 9 years ago
But SD you liked it when Romney interrupted Obama a zillion times in their debate...You cannot have it both ways ya know...Style or substance...
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Posted by SD (+1527) 9 years ago
Bill Clinton said if you do not like how history was just make up what you like and believe it.

I see you follow his wisdom in other ways howdy.

I did not see the Romney/Obama debate. But just keep making things up and believing them if it works for you.
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Posted by howdy (+4945) 9 years ago
SD, go ahead and insult...if it makes ya feel better, cause it doesn't bother me whatsoever...ROFL...When all else fails, insult...I think you also accused the liberals of doing that as well...ROFL

Here is an example of your insults about the other debate SD...you can deny all you wish but here it is..

http://milescity.com/foru...56/#275172

[This message has been edited by howdy (10/12/2012)]
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Posted by howdy (+4945) 9 years ago
Then you lied and said you didn't see the other thread on the debate altho you had already posted on it...

http://milescity.com/foru...62/#274969

http://milescity.com/foru...56/#275176

[This message has been edited by howdy (10/12/2012)]
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11808) 9 years ago
Who was the liberator? And what was liberated? Paris? I've never been to Paris but I gather the food is good.
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Posted by Mathew Schmitz (+285) 9 years ago
Those of you bitchin about the "liberator" need to remember one thing. "The winning side never complains about the referee".
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Posted by howdy (+4945) 9 years ago
if you read carefully, they weren't bitching about the referee, but laughing about the term liberator...
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Posted by tax payer (+346) 9 years ago
Joe sure had his share of lies!
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Posted by David Schott (+17178) 9 years ago
Was I the only one annoyed when the moderator would ask a question of Ryan and rather than answer the question he would launch into some canned, feel-good or tug-at-your-emotions story? He came off as being insincere about the story he was telling and insincere about participating in a meaningful debate. His performance in the debate seemed much more rehearsed than Biden's.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1906) 9 years ago
Biden kicked his ass,especially in substance. Most of the griping I've heard about Biden was about his laughing and supposed condecension. I've heard very few complaints about substance. He portrayed the GOP ticket as the phonies they are. Now if Obama...
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Posted by David Schott (+17178) 9 years ago
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Posted by howdy (+4945) 9 years ago
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Posted by Cory Cutting (+1274) 9 years ago
I made it 45 minutes. Ryan was giving a stump speech and not answering questions or bringing any clear ideas/plans. I felt that Biden was on the defensive most of what I watched, but he was so wrapped up in trying to say how F*ed up what Ryan was saying was that he couldn't get into the meat of an actual debate.

I do agree that Biden wins for the "Sit down little boy and shut up" factor. Ryan was just "but, but, but... Democrats are bad!"
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