"In such a world of conflict, a world of victims and executioners, it is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners." Albert Camus


These lines and sides (referred to by Camus) are no longer clear to me.

"If we're not supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat?"

--bumper sticker.

While dining at our home, friend Rex Mongold, informed us that "vegtables are what food eats", after having declined the salad that had been offered him.

He also gave us the "other" definition for PETA. "People eating tasty animals".

Do you ever wonder why vegetarians try and make their vegetables look like meat (soy links, tempeh, garden burgers, etc.)? We don't try and make our meat look like vegatables do we? I guess the one exception woud be a Dachshund, but who would want to eat one of those anyway? I really doubt they would taste like weiners, but I can't really be sure since I have never tried one (that I know of). Pigs and Cows are really good for just about any meal. Most other critters are good eating also.
You should never eat a dead cow that has bloated on a hot summer day. Shooting it is not a good idea either. They tend to explode in every direction rendering the trigger-person slimey and smelly.
People Eat Tasty Animals............Yum!

"This idea of weapons of mass extermination is utterly horrible and is something which no one with one spark of humanity can tolerate. I will not pretend to obey a government which is organizzing a mass massacre of mankind."

Bertrand Russell (April 15th, 1961)

I believe in compulsory cannibalism.
If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war.
Abbie Hoffman

One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Vice President, and that one word is "to be prepared."

Dan Quayle, December 1989

We are not going to be able to operate our spaceship Earth successfully nor for much longer unless we see it as a whole spaceship and our fate as common. It has to be everybody or nobody.

R. Buckminister Fuller

A vegetarian with the runs is a salad shooter.

Laciate Ogni Speranza Voi Ch' Entrate

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Heath, please translate

did you mean to say

Lasciate Ogni Speranza Voi Ch' Entrate

abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

it's Italian.

It is a warning written on the gate to the third Canto (ring of hell). The third canto is where people apathetic or indifferent to good and evil reside in hell. Virgil tells Dante "We to the place have come, where I have told thee Thou shalt behold the people dolorous Who have foregone the good of intellect." Where it was believed the good of intellect is the knowledge of god.

excerpt from The Divine Comedy: Inferno-Camto III by Dante Alighieri

And he to me(Virgil):"This miserable mode
Maintain the melancholy souls of those
Who lived withouten infamy or praise.

Commingled are they with that caitiff choir
Of Angels, who have not rebellious been,
Nor faithful were to God, but were for self.

The heavens expelled them, not to be less fair;
Nor them the nethermore abyss receives,
For glory none the damned would have from them."

And I(Dante): "O Master, what so grievous is
To these, that maketh them lament so sore?"
He answered: " I will tell thee very briefly.

These have no longer any hope of death;
And this blind life of theirs is so debased,
They envious are of every other fate.

No fame of them the world permits to be;
Misericord and Justice both disdain them.
Let us not speak of them, but look, and pass."

Deetes aint one to quit on a garment just becuse it shows a little age. Lonesome Dove

Sorry, it was getting to intellectual for me.

Dun Scotus

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Pulmonade,

Thank you for the translation and the source info.

"Human history becomes more an more a race between education and catastrophe".

H. G. Wells, 1920

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

Aristotle-

"It did not take atomic weapons to make man want peace, a peace that would last but the atomic bomb was the turn of the screw. It has made the prospect of future war unendurable."

-J. Robert Oppenheimer, Creator of the A-Bomb, 1946

Tis a shame that Jim Bob isn't alive today. He would have some crow to eat with those egocentric words.

Albert Einstein was more realistic when he stated on his part in developing the atomic bomb, "If I had only known I would have become a watch maker."

"How many roads must a man walk down?".................

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Thomas Jefferson



"I say don't drink and drive. You might spill your drink"

Fat Mike (Burkett)

I don't know the exact quote, but I think it comes from Frank Sinatra. It goes something like this:

Here's to hell. May the stay there be as fun as the trip.

What is the difference between a northern zoo and a southern zoo?

A southern zoo has a description of the animal on the front of the cage along with...." a recipe"

Navajo saying:

"If you don't turn around,
you just might get where you're going."

Karen, is that the equivilent of "every where I go, there I am".

Actually, there is a significant difference. "Everywhere you go" may be where you want to go or need to go. The need to turn around may or may not present itself as you go everywhere or anywhere. It depends on where you are going and if it is indeed your heart's desire or at least a worthy goal.

I heard a 10 year old offer this reassurance, "If you are ever worried about where I am...don't worry...I know where I am."

So! Do you know where you are? Are you where you are? Are you there when you are everywhere? Do you need to turn around? Or do you want to get where you are going? Only you can answer these questions for yourself, Tucker!!
-Karen

Oh, for God's sake, Weeding, it was esoteric.

He who farts in church sits in his own pewwwwwwwwwwww!

she who farts in church shares her Pewwwwww!

Would ya like to go to church with me.

The walls would cave in,the ceiling would
fall down,we'd all be killed.

But we'd be in church.

:What do you call an Irishman than sits in the back yard?

A:Paddy O'Furniture

What do you get if you cross a four-leaf clover with
poison oak?
A rash of good luck.

PS .... Karen, I love where your going! Sometimes I wonder where I am.

a poem by Betty Stoffel "For those who have no place to go"

Lord, in Thy mercy's tender care
Hear an urgent, earnest prayer
For all who wander to and fro
And have no special place to go.

Who see the windows warm with light
In other people's homes at night,
And feel their loneliness the more
That others hurry to some door
Where love expectant warms the air,
And one is loved by those who care.

Bless those who rootless, restless roam
And have no place to be at home;
Remember those we may not know
Who have no special place to go.

Have a great day

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"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle

"Nobody who has invested much time down
a blind alley likes the messenger who shines
a light at the brick wall up ahead."

I was so poor growing up ... if I wasn't a boy ...I'd have nothing to play with.
--Rodney Dangerfield

If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.
Hermann Hesse

In reflection of what he called his hometown and having moved so much that he wondered what it meant, Wallace Stegner writes this:
"There is only this solid sense of having had or having been or having lived something real and good and satisfying, and the knowledge that having had or been or lived these things I can never lose them again. Home is what you can take away with you."
from the book, "The Sound of Mountain Water - The Changing American West"

Nice quote, Karen. I fear that our home, earth, is in grave danger and needs attention from careful, thoughtful people. Deferred maintainence can only continue for so long before it becomes blight. I'm not sure that the current caretakers are not looting the larder before they leave. I hope we can fire them all before the home our lives depend on falls in around our ears.

This seems to echo what Brady Stone wrote:

"We see people and things not as they are, but as we are." Anthony DeMello, Jesuit priest.

We judge others by their worst behaviors, and ourselves by our best intentions. Origin unknown.

Behind every argument is someone's ignorance.
Louis D. Brandeis

Behind every ignorance is someone's argument.

"Arguments over grammar and style are often as fierce as those over IBM versus MAC, and as fruitless as Coke versus Pepsi and boxers versus briefs."

Jack Lynch

But if at Church they would give us some ale,
And a pleasent fire our souls to regale,
We'd sing and we'd pray all the live-long day,
And never once wish from the Church to stray.
William Blake

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"

John Stuart Mill 1806-1873



"You cannot be saved by.....devotion to your ancestors. To each generation comes its patriotic duty, and upon your willingness to sacrifice and endure, as those before you have sacraficed and endured, rests national hope."

Charles Evan Hughes, Supreme Court Justice

For those who fight for it,
freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
- Scrawled on the cover of a "C" Ration box.

"We must live together as brothers,
Or die together as fools."

- Martin Luther King, Jr.

A Soldier's Mission

I drop to one knee, the mission is long...
All around there is darkness just before dawn.
I take a deep breath my mission at hand...
For God and country please let me stand.

I will always push forward a mission to do...
A soldier is dedicated, professional, and true.

These people we help will one day see...
The battle we fight is for them to be FREE.

By Mike Erickson

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
--John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address Washington, D.C. January 20, 1961

Freedom is not merely the opportunity to do as one pleases; neither is it merely the opportunity to choose between set alternatives. Freedom is, first of all, the chance to formulate the available choices, to argue over them -- and then, the opportunity to choose.


C. Wright Mills

Wish You Were Here.


"For all the free people that still protest.
You're welcome.
We protect you and you are protected by the best.
Your voice is strong and loud,
but who will fight for you?
No one standing in your crowd.
We are your fathers, brothers and sons,
wearing the boots and carrying guns.
We are the ones that leave all we own,
to make sure your future is carved in stone.
We are the ones who fight and die.
We might not be able to save the world,
Well, at least we try.
We walk the paths to where we are at,
and we want no choice other than that.
So when you rally your group to complain,
I take a look at the back of your brain.
In order for that flag you love to fly,
wars must be fought and young men must die.
We came here to fight for the ones we hold dear,
If that's not respected, we would rather stay here.
So please stop yelling, put down your signs,
and pray for those behind enemy lines.
When the conflict is over and all is well,
be thankful that we chose to go through hell."


Written by, Joshua Miles and all the boys
from 3rd Battalion 2nd Marines, Kuwait.

It takes a village to raise a child

African Proverb

There never was a good war or a bad peace.


Benjamin Franklin

It Takes a Village

Hillary Rodham Clinton

"Shoo be do, beee do be do be do be"

Frank Sinatra

WHAT IS GREATER THAN GOD,
MORE EVIL THAN THE DEVIL,
THE POOR HAVE IT,
THE RICH NEED IT,
AND IF YOU EAT IT YOU WILL DIE?


NOTHING!

Upon this he saw that when he was of anger or knew hurt or felt fear, It was because he was not understanding,
And he learned compassion.

Yes, madam, I am drunk. But in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
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Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.
___________________________________________

A love of tradition has never weakened a nation, indeed it has strengthened nations in their hour of peril; but the new view must come, the world must roll forward.

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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

_____________________________________________

I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me.

______________________________________________

The power of man has grown in every sphere, except over himself.


....from the creative mind of Sir Winston Churchill

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened."


Sir Winston is the author of many of my favorite quotes. This is my favorite of the ones I've found so far.

"Going to church on Sunday does not make you a christian anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car"

Billy Sunday

All the really good ideas I ever had came to me while I was milking a cow
--Grant Wood

I learned something about our town
That I didn't know before
It isn't very pretty:
Miles City has a whore!

I found out about her
In a most unusual place,
On a pillar in a river
Named for something in your face.

If her business is successful,
I'd find that quite surprising.
Couldn't she'd find a better place
To do her advertising?

NO SEX IN THE CHAMPAGNE ROOM!!


PENNY POOJJ

The French-Algerian writer Albert Camus, who won a Nobel Prize for Literature in 1957, wrote, "There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide."

"We're spreading democracy, are we? Same way European explorers brought Christianity to the Indians, what we now call "Native Americans."

-Kurt Vonnegut

"The missionaries came to Hawaii to do good and did very well indeed."

Aubrey Weeks, armchair philosopher, 1979

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

From "The War Prayer", by Mark Twain

Bridgier,

Thank you for sharing this Mark Twain quote. It couldn't be more timely. My fear is that some of the participants on MC dot Com would pick up this cry literally and agree with it in whole.

What do you do when both sides subscribe to the same "God on our side", "Might makes right" mentality? I am heartsick.

Somewhat off topic for Mr. Bolton - does Rex still live out on Broadus Stage? I lived on the farm between his place and the highway when I lived in MC...

Okay, back to our discussion - I would suggest the "Politics of Jesus" by Yoder (Actually, I'd suggest anything by Yoder, but this is probably the best known of his stuff). "Comforting" might not be the right word, but it's certainly crystalizing...

Yoder, yup.

Rx, is living on the dry land across the road from the old sheep residence. He spends a lot of his time these days traveling around the country on one of his two verrry sweet BMW bikes. He has a 1960 R-50 w/ sidecar and a circa early 80's R-900.

He is in Arizona on the R-900 at the present and I think he is planning a trip to Chili in the not to distant future.

Apropos of nothing of course....

Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.

- Herman Goering

"During a nuclear incident, it is important to avoid radioactive material, if possible." -- A US Homeland Security Department web site providing businesses with advice on how to prepare for possible terrorist attacks.

"Eternity is not something that begins after you are dead. It is going on all the time. We are in it now." Charlotte Perkins Gilman (Pax - GS)

Never rely on a person who uses "party" as a verb

"The basic freedom of the world is woman's freedom. A free race cannot be born of slave mothers."

C.M. Russell
Montana artist 1864-1924

Life is what passes you by if you sit around and wait for it to happen.

1. If you have anything really valuable to contribute to the world, it will come through the expression of your own personality - that single spark of divinity that sets you off and makes you different from every other living creature.

Bruce Barton



2. There is no such thing as an average man. Each one of us is a unique individual. Each one of us expresses his humanity in some distinctly different way. The beauty and the bloom of each human soul is a thing apart - a separate holy miracle under God, never once repeated throughout all the millenniums of time.

Lane Weston

"Take me down to Paradise City
Where the grass is green and the girls are pretty"
--Axl Rose

Wow - thanks! That was really nice. - GS

Those who chose to sing will always find a song

Measure twice, cut once.

"If we're not supposed to eat animals, how come we were created with the wrong kind of teeth?

Somebody backeast's say'n Why don't he write.

Put that in your book!

Timmons
Dances with Wolves

It's not a "Hot Flash"
It's a "POWER BURST"

Bad spellers of the world UNTIE!

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--"WOW!! what a ride!"

-Anonymous

"Work is the curse of the drinking class."

Oscar Wilde

If the automobile had followed the same evolution as the computer, a Rolls Royce would cost $100.00, get 1000 miles per gallon, self destruct every two years and kill everyone inside.

the road to hell is paved with good intentions

"We have to come to grips with the fact we're feeding a cow that we can't milk."

-Lee Akers

With you I have found peace. Now you say you are going crazy?

Some things need to be believed to be seen.

"The safest car is one you can control" - Ferdinand Porsche.

"Things used to be pretty simple.Hundred years,just hanging out,feeling gulty.Really honed my brooding skills.Then she comes along".Angel- from Buffy The Vampire Slayer

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88 Lines About 44 Women- The Nails c1984
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Deborah was a Catholic girl
she held out till the bitter end
Carla was a different type
she's the one who put it in
Mary was a black girl
I was afraid of a girl like that
Suzen painted pictures
sitting down like a Buddha sat


Reno was a nameless girl
a geographic memory
Cathy was a Jesus freak
she liked that kind of misery
Vicki had a special way
of turning sex into a song
Kamala, who couldn't sing,
kept the beat and kept it strong


Zilla was an archetype
the voodoo queen, the queen of wrath
Joan thought men were second best
to masturbating in a bath
Sherry was a feminist
she really had that gift of gab
Kathleen's point of view was this
take whatever you can grab


Seattle was another girl
who left her mark upon the map
Karen liked to tie me up
and left me hanging by a strap
Jeannie had a nightclub walk
that made grown men feel underage
Mariella, who had a son,
said I must go, but finally stayed


Gloria, the last taboo
was shattered by her tongue one night
Mimi brought the taboo back
and held it up before the light
Marilyn, who knew no shame,
was never ever satisfied
Julie came and went so fast
she didn't even say goodbye


Rhonda had a house in Venice
lived on brown rice and cocaine
Patty had a house in Houston
shot cough syrup in her veins
Linda thought her life was empty
filled it up with alcohol
Katherine was much too pretty
she didn't do that poop at all


Pauline thought that love was simple
turn it on and turn it off
Jean-Marie was complicated
like some French filmmaker's plot
Gina was the perfect lady
always had her stockings straight
Jackie was a rich punk rocker
silver spoon and a paper plate


Sarah was a modern dancer
lean pristine transparency
Janet wrote bad poetry
in a crazy kind of urgency
Tanya Turkish liked to procreate
while wearing leather biker boots
Brenda's strange obsession
was for certain vegetables and fruit


Rowena was an artist's daughter
the deeper image shook her up
Dee Dee's mother left her father
took his money and his truck
Debbie Rae had no such problems
perfect Norman Rockwell home
Nina, 16, had a baby
left her parents, lived alone
Bobbi joined a New Wave band
changed her name to Bobbi Sox
Eloise, who played guitar,
sang songs about whales and cops
Terri didn't give a poop
was just a nihilist
Ronnie was much more my style
cause she wrote songs just like this
Jezebel went forty days
drinking nothing but Perrier
Dinah drove her Chevrolet
into the San Francisco Bay
Judy came from Ohio
she's a Scientologist
Amaranta, here's a kiss
I chose you to end this list.

________________________________

I heard this on the radio today and it was a great tune in the Lou Reed style, I cut and pasted it in, pardon the profanity.



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Chad,

Don't worry about the profanity. I think it is OK to say New Wave

I see the host has an automated profanity changer- half the words were changed and some deleted. That's ok for here, but not for my albums or CD's.

It's a song written by two musicians about thier former girlfriends and lovers. 88 lines about 44 women. Each woman got two lines.

Amusing.

Two broken hearts
Lonely
Looking like windows in houses
where nobody lives
Two people both
having so much pride inside
Neither one forgives
The angry word spoken
In haste
Such a waste
Of two lives
It's my belief pride
Is the chief cause in the decline
In the number
Of Husbands and wives.

Roger Miller "Husbands and Wives"

Tucker, and all the other songwriters (including myself will probably identify with this:

"The human mind is a wonderful thing, It starts working from before you're born, and doesn't stop 'till you sit down to write a song."

Roger Miller

I used to think the human mind was a wonderful machine untill I realized who was having the thought.

A waste is a horrible thing to mind.

I do then with my friends as I do with my books.Iwould have them where I can find them,but seldom use them....Ralph Waldo Emerson

It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part.

If men were angels, no government would be necessary.


James Madison
"The Federalist"

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....Yeah, they were dancing'
and singin'
and movin' to the groovin'
and just when
it hit me
somebody turned around shouted
Play that funky music Right Boy!
Lay down and boogie
and play that funky music 'til you die!

-Average White Band

There was a young woman named Jenny,
Whose limericks weren't worth a penny.
Her rhythm and rhyme
Were perfectly fine
But whenever she tried to write any,
She always had one line too many.