Butch's court ordered classes
Posted by Wendy Branum (+55) 8 years ago
It's interesting that here we are, the 1st week of King Butch's reign, and the threads are already starting here. I had asked a question during the race regarding court ordered training that was required of him in order to be Mayor again. I googled "butch grenz" and got lots of info on his restaraunts and all the settlements. The one below is from the Gazette. Does anyone out there know if he ever completed the training?

A female building inspector's complaint was settled in January 2007 for $20,000 plus attorney's fees. It also required training for Grenz and city supervisors

Read more: http://billingsgazette.co...z1ie9y9vLH
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Posted by Kelly (+2592) 8 years ago
Wendy-

To my knowledge, the answer is "no" he did not complete his court ordered classes. Can anyone confirm?
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4458) 8 years ago
I give Butch two weeks before he publicly slams milescity.com.
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Posted by Gene Keller (+43) 8 years ago
Having been raised in Miles City I know that the Winters are long and boring but you folks really do need to find something else to do besides Butch "Bashing" to idle away your time. Any questions you might have should have been answered during the campaign not after the election. Evidently the majority want him as Mayor or he would not be there so let him do his job. Just a thought.
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Posted by Mary B. (+199) 8 years ago
The majority of Miles Citians did not necessarily want him as mayor. I have heard this said too many times. 1,122 voters wanted him as mayor. There is a difference.

This is what apathy gets you.

[This message has been edited by Mary B. (1/6/2012)]
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Posted by Dona Stebbins (+817) 8 years ago
Yes indeed - apathy rules! I think the question that prompted this thread needs to be answered. Did he complete those classes? As a general rule, when classes of this type have been completed, a certificate of completion is given. Has anyone seen Butch's?
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Posted by Colette Butcher (+402) 8 years ago
If people don't think it is important enough to go vote then don't complain on who gets voted in.
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Posted by Frank Hardy (+1437) 8 years ago
Just have one of Richard's Snow Bunnies walk by his office in one of their bikinis. That will show you pretty quickly if he's certified or not.

FH
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14303) 8 years ago
DID SOMEONE SAY SNOW BUNNIES???

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Posted by Gene Keller (+43) 8 years ago
Hell, if those walked by and he didn't react somebody better take his pulse because he must have croked.
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Posted by Gene Keller (+43) 8 years ago
By the way, Let's hear an AMEN for Colette. She hit it right on the head.
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Posted by Mary B. (+199) 8 years ago
Yes, let's all hear an AMEN for Butch Grenz, the man looking toward the future. The man who wants an across the board LARGE reduction in water rates. Sounds great does it? Sounds brilliant to me with this supposed large influx of people moving to the city in the next few years, stressing an already outdated, antiquated sewer and water system. Yes siree, let's just watch it all collapse under the additional strain, with no resources to make improvements because we were incredibly short-sighted and cut water rates by 25%.

Let us also not forget what Butch Grenz wants to do with the police and fire departments. Yes, let's not forget that. Because we all know how North Dakotan towns are not facing increased crime rates due to the influx of people. Nope. Let's cut forces now, and hope for the best. The foresight to see Miles City through the coming growth period is almost divinely inspired. Yep. Good job voters. Because 300 more of you voted for Grenz must mean you are so much smarter than the rest of us. Let's see your pride in your choice in a few years, when the choices made adversely affect our community. Until then, AMEN FOR BUTCH GRENZ!!!!!
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Posted by Herbie (+113) 8 years ago
I see Mary that your not happy with Butch.

Any way I find it funny that people are Butch bashing, however, very few people got out to vote. My theory is if you dont't vote, don't bitch people.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4458) 8 years ago
MC is going to rot on the vine.
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Posted by Mary B. (+199) 8 years ago
I happen to agree with you Herbie. Good thing I voted and live in a society where I am free to voice my displeasure with the outcome.

I stated this before. Do those of you who voted for Butch (the "majority") who also voted for McCain (the "minority") practice what you preach? Once the majority had spoken in the federal election, did you shut your mouth to what you considered to be poor policy and say, "Well golly gee, the majority spoke so we should all just sing Kumbaya and get together for the good of the country?" If that was so, there would be no "ObamaCare" or constant (incorrect) use of "Socialism" or "Marxism".

If you vote, you have the right to voice your displeasure at bad policy. Plain and simple. I want just one of you who voted for McCain, and voted for Butch, to have the guts to stand up and say that you unequivocally support Obama. It won't happen. What is the difference?
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Posted by SeptyTwo (+648) 8 years ago
Y'all have good points... but...

To say that those who posted here who are "hatin'" against the new mayor should have voted..

Or basically.. before you bash or flame the new mayor you should have voted...

How does ANYBODY know that the people who posted flame posts DIDN'T vote?

Maybe they DID vote... and in that case they can say whatever they want..

I get the feeling that some people are believing that those who voiced their opinion on the new mayor did not vote...
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Posted by Frank Hardy (+1437) 8 years ago
I voted. He was defeated in MN by a final tally of 1 - 0.

On the counterside, it was much closer than Romney Santorum.

FH
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Posted by Wendy Branum (+55) 8 years ago
I have talked to many people who couldn't bring themselves to vote for either candidate. If there was a "none of the above" box on the ballot, i would think we would have had a 90% turnout. But since we can't have that box, we have voter apathy.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4458) 8 years ago
The electoral college has been especially cruel to you, Frank.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2741) 8 years ago
Mary B - you are right on! Excellent point and valid prediction.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+14873) 8 years ago
I have talked to many people who couldn't bring themselves to vote for either candidate. If there was a "none of the above" box on the ballot, i would think we would have had a 90% turnout. But since we can't have that box, we have voter apathy.


...and you wonder why Miles City remains a loser burg, falling way behind Glendive in terms of industrial, cultural, and artistic might???
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Posted by Maryann McDaniel (+259) 8 years ago
Maybe this should be a new thread. But it deals with lack of election choices.

Okay, have to admit, I am already tired of the 2012 presidential campaign and even did not capitalize Presidential Campaign here. Cannot see any GOP nor Democratic candidate who will make me happy.

So what does this MSU government graduate do?

Ignore the election? No.

Join someone's campaign? Can't see anyone I would support. (Have in the past and raised over $40,000 for one presidential candidate in the 1980s).

Vote "against" a candidate because I do not like their proposals? Tempting because that seems like where I am.

Not vote? That seems worthless.

The current political climate, system, candidates are presenting some very uncomfortable decisions for those who care about our country, its future, and our citizens.

We need to avoid polarization and see if we can come together no matter the results.

Tough, touch decisions ahead.


By the way, I personally like Butch (he graduated from CCHS in 1966 like I did!). I hope he surprises some of you on here...mayor is not an easy job...

[This message has been edited by Maryann McDaniel (1/6/2012)]
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2741) 8 years ago
It may be hard to believe, but I like Butch, too - as a person because he was kind to my elderly father on a few key occasions, and as a businessman because I like eating at his restaurants. On the other hand, I heard so many horror stories from civic leaders and city employees alike that it is hard to imagine how anyone could admire Butch's governing style.

Regarding Joe, there is no doubt he can be frustrating and difficult to like as a person, but I always admired his conduct as a mayor, including when he offered to resign over the driver's license issue (which was blown up into a much bigger issue than it was).

Perhaps a major reason our government is so lacking in good leaders these days is because so many folks vote for someone they "like" when they should be considering characteristics that are much more pertinent to the ability to govern and lead.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4458) 8 years ago
I think it's really more:

Cleaning up poop in Shipley's yard = progressive = pinko commie

Butch got elected because the people of MC saw Whalen as an outsider. Another word for outsider? Pinko commie.

If there is truly any sort of economic boom about to go down, you can bet it's going to be a disaster for a town that refuses to change even under a court order.
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Posted by Herbie (+113) 8 years ago
Someone in the above statements said, they would have voted if there was someone running that was worth a crap. "Well not in those exact works", however, it is our obligation to either find someone to run for office that will make a difference or run for the office ourselves. I know people will attack this post and say that they don't have the time, well make the time. I guess I am just tired of people in general, "not saying just Miles City, Glendive, I'm talking people in the country as a whole", who like to complain and NOT do anything about it. Sometimes voting is just not enough.

I have run for political offices and held seats even though the meetings were at night, during my lunch breaks or at times that took away from my off times. Sometimes we just have to make that extra effort to make our community and lives better.
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Posted by Montana1 (+29) 8 years ago
This guy is a class act! He is the same man that back in the early 70's threw a local business man who was having diner in the 600 Cafe on his birthday, out on the street. The man was chocking on a piece of meat and he didn't want him to get sick in the restaurant. The man died out on the sidewalk.

There is what your mayor is all about! So any of you Butch fans, knock yourselves out. The guy is a piece of poop and always has been.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1902) 8 years ago
Sounds like urban cowtown fiction to me, Montana1.
I think Butch won because he pledged to do what most Miles Citians want. Nothing.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2741) 8 years ago
Er... If I thought Butch would do nothing, I wouldn't be concerned about Miles City. But he will do things - probably the wrong ones. Miles City is a quiet little town on the Verge of Boom or Doom. And that means there's plenty at risk and with Butch at the helm, there's plenty to be worried about.

I love MC and would like to return someday. I expect it to be different because, after all, you can never go home again. But it would be nice if it changed for the better. I hope I'm wrong, I really do --- but something tells me "better" ain't gonna happen under Butch's reign.
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Posted by Montana1 (+29) 8 years ago
Bob, I think that it is more than cow town fiction. What's weird about it is that the man's father was a former state senator and raised his family in a house on Merriam about a block away from the old Holy Rosary Hospital. That's where the man grew up. And guess who purchased the house and lived in it (may still), the honorable (piece of poop) Mayor Butch. Talk about ghosts walking around in the house. But alias Bob, it is true. So careful when you challenges others that you know more about the facts.
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Posted by tax payer (+354) 8 years ago
Will ask the family, as that is not the story they told.

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Posted by Montana1 (+29) 8 years ago
Interesting, it's now gone from a cow town legend to tax payer going to ask Mayor Butch's family? So tax payer I take it that you have heard the story?
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Posted by Levi and Destiny (+166) 8 years ago
Let me set the record straight MY UNCLE PAUL FEASTER stepped outside of the 600 because he had coughing fits and didnt want to disturb other patrons..Stopped breathing and fell on the sidewalk, a vet from Forsyth gave him a trac to breath until the ambulance could get there...upon arrival at the hospital, they found that his heart was totally ingulfed with a tumor!! The Grenz family was very good to my family after before and still are after this!! HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM CHOKING ON ANY TYPE OF FOOD AS FOR SOMEONES ASSUMPTIONS!! THANKS Destiny Hardy Carlson

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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1902) 8 years ago
Like I said.
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Posted by Montana1 (+29) 8 years ago
Interesting..... Thanks for setting the record straight!

The only problem Levi is that I don't think Mayor Grenz moved into your grandparent's house. He did move to mine. But thanks for the story!

Oh and he was pronounced dead at the hospital.

Bob, like I said........

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Posted by Levi and Destiny (+166) 8 years ago
Pretty sure I Destiny signed that..Not my husband!! Since I dont have a problem stating who I really am!
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Posted by Montana1 (+29) 8 years ago
Destiny I am pretty sure that I don't care if it was you or Levi that wrote the note. The fact is that we are not talking about "YOUR UNCLE"! The year was 1973 and the man we are talking about was my dad. So I think I have earned the right to think the mayor is a piece of sh_t. If you want to know who this is, it's not tough to figure it out. I carry the same first and last name as the man. People like Wendy and Gunnar could open their year book and figure it out pretty quickly. Butch doesn't have to struggle that hard to figure it out.

The problem about politics is that ghosts come out of the closet...
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2741) 8 years ago
I'm confused. So let me try to get this straight.

We are now talking about two different men who died soon after collapsing on the sidewalk in front of the 600 Cafe.

One man went to the sidewalk on his own accord out of courtesy to other restaurant patrons and later died of causes completely unrelated to choking on food.

The other was allegedly hustled out to the sidewalk by Butch to prevent a scene in the restaurant and died soon after from choking on a piece of food?

Is that the case?

(And by the way, Montana1; Destiny clearly signed her name and was only stating the facts known to her; there is no need to take such a rude tone with her. I can understand your anger given the loss of your father, but it's unfair to take it out on her.)
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14303) 8 years ago
The good news here is that we only have 11 year to wait before this incident appears in Stardust.
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Posted by Montana1 (+29) 8 years ago
Steve,

Sounds like the case of two deaths out there.

Richard,

Sounds like that'll be past your 40th class reunion. And that'll make Butch the fry cook a piece of sh_t for 50 years.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6175) 8 years ago
Keep me out of this. I have no idea who you're talking about.
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