Dog variance Veto by Outgoing Mayor
Posted by BD (+338) 9 years ago
Here we have a situation where all the council members were in line to give a Dog variance so we could have basically a free shelter to help dogs find homes. It was passed a few weeks ago now the Outgoing mayor for his own reason veto it. How sad it was saving the city a lot of money. Now we have to start all over. Shame on YOU Mayor!
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Posted by Mary B. (+197) 9 years ago
Per the Miles City Star (Tuesday, November 8, 2011):

Janet Young, president of Custer County Fund for Animals, expressed concern that this will be like "opening a can of worms."

She said Grutkowski did a good job in caring for pets, but she asked how the city would monitor others who also want a variance, noting that there are local animal hoarding problems.

Police Chief Doug Columbik said Animal Control Officer Brian Certain is against a variance because he also believes it may lead to problems.


It seems like the Mayor was NOT making this decision "for his own reason." Sounds to me like he is not the only one who finds this variance to be a potential problem and was listening to the recommendation of the police department, the ones who will have to deal with the repercussions.
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Posted by MRH (+1486) 9 years ago
Mary B. thanks for pointing out the other opinions. I also read about the 'other side' in the Miles City Star.
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Posted by RA (+644) 9 years ago
Correct me if I am mistaken, but didn't this variance involve only ONE individual?? And, wouldn't any future variances also be considered on an individual basis?? If that is the case, the thoughts that this would open a can of worms, etc. would seem to be null and void ~ in my humble opinion.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1666) 9 years ago
But, using what justification would you grant it to one citizen, but not another? I believe that is the "can of worms" of which they speak.
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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
The fact is that it was a done deal until Whalen lost. Perhaps he's getting some extra income to do this. It seems to me that Janet Young works with East Main and according to her own words..she only saves "the good ones". The other animals are all put down without delay. The city pays that vet a LARGE amount of money every month to kill dogs and cats!!! Perhaps someone should investigate that little deal they have going with Brian Certain.

Diane has saved many many animals lives. They are in good homes now. She has done it all with her own resources which are limited. But the animals come first.

Maybe Whalen is just mad because Diane won't look at him twice!
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1666) 9 years ago
Wow!
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11610) 9 years ago
Jesus Christ, Kacey. I know you have a personal bitch against the vets at East Main but you are really stepping over the line with this crap. I don't know what your problem is but the time has come for you to get it taken care of and stop with this insane character assassination before somebody calls a lawyer.

[This message has been edited by Amorette Allison (11/9/2011)]
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Posted by Julie (+415) 9 years ago
Amorette for Mayor!
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1666) 9 years ago
+1 Amorette
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Posted by Laura Sevier (+1774) 9 years ago
I don't blame the Mayor for vetoing the dog variance for an abused and abandoned pets, because the person who wants the variance has more than 3 dogs of her/his own at her/his house, and there is a law that if your in the city, you are only allowed to have 3 dogs, if you have more than 3 dogs you should have a kennel license. In the article in last night's miles city star, the person wanting the variance said she/he would have no more than 8 dogs, having more than 3 dogs of her/his own, then add 8 more the neighbors would have to put up with 12, 16, who knows how many barking dogs, which would not be fair to the neighbors, if the person want's the variance then she/he should get rid of some of his/her own dogs, so he/she would only have 8 dogs at a time. The person wanting the variance should have to build a warm kennel building with kennel runs, that have drains, so the dog potty can be rinsed of with hot water from a hose, Is the person wanting the variance going to be home full time to take care of the pets in the shelter, because in a shelter the kennels should be cleaned 4 or 5 times a day, when the pet goes potty, or does the person wanting the variance work somewhere else full time and won't be home to care for the animals at the shelter, A shelter is a full time job itself.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2739) 9 years ago

The fact is that it was a done deal until Whalen lost. Perhaps he's getting some extra income to do this. etc. etc. etc.


Holy tranquilizers, Kacey, get a grip.

I enjoy many of your posts, but I've noticed when it comes to animals you just plain lose all control and any semblance of rationality.

Before you go hurling baseless accusations at people and questioning their morality and motivations (as you did with the very good people who were working to solve the feral cat problem at the Depot), PLEASE do yourself and the rest of us a favor and count to ten, take a deep breath, run around the block, and then keep repeating those steps over and over again until the compulsion to post your ridiculous rants has passed.

[This message has been edited by Steve Craddock (11/9/2011)]
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Posted by Bridgier (+9071) 9 years ago
and then keep repeating those steps over and over again until the compulsion to post your ridiculous rants has passed.


Amen.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6022) 9 years ago
I have used up my daily allotment of +1's. Do you have change for a +5, Steve?

Ah, screw it. Keep the change. It's was worth it.
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Posted by Dan Mowry (+1433) 9 years ago
I add a 2#d6 multiplier and a +3 Epic Weapon Mental Blast to the above posts.
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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
Thank you for the veto Mayor. At least someone is using their head.
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Posted by K.Duffy (+1790) 9 years ago
While I believe Diane's heart is in the right place, and she truly sacrifices many things ~ not to mention personally funding her endeavor ~ I also believe Miles City is not ready for what this variance would start.

A previous post mentioned this is a variance for "just one individual.." however, at the Council Meeting, Diane herself confessed to having a "network" of secret fosters keeping extra dogs, and that she hoped this would open the door for them also. That's what scares me.
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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
K.Duffy +1
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Posted by howdy (+4951) 9 years ago
I am sure the mayor (Joe) could work on a compromise but the new mayor (Butch) is a bit of a bully and doesn't appear to have the ability to think of a compromise much less work closely with a female...so it is not a win/win for anyone...so sorry to the person trying so hard to help pets...I understand your problem and I personally try to foster whenever I can too...Prayers for a solution for you soon...
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Posted by Mayor (+133) 9 years ago
November 5, 2011

VETO
Variance to Sec. 4-30, Miles City Code of Ordinances


During our regular meeting on October 25, 2011, the City Council passed an amended motion to accept a recommendation from the Public Safety committee that a variance from the Animal Control ordinance (Sec. 4-30 - Kennels, Code of Ordinances) be granted to Diane Grutkowski for the purposes of maintaining an adoptive and foster care shelter for abused and abandoned animals. The motion was carried by Councilman John Uden and passed by a majority vote of 7-1, with Councilman Leroy Meidinger opposed.

Such a variance was offered as a precedent for considering like variances on a case-by-case basis by the city council. As passed, the variance would provide Ms. Grutkowski an exception from the kennel ordinance allowing her to feed and care for a kennel of twelve dogs within a residential neighborhood. It also holds out the potential for other petitioners to own and maintain an equal number of animals in other residential neighborhoods.

While the Miles City Code of Ordinances provides for variances against Sec. 3-63 (Open Container in Public Places) by the mayor and against Sec. 24-10 (Conditional Zoning Variances) by the city council, it provides no authority to either the mayor or the city council for issuing an Animal Control variance. Further, because there is no authority granted to the city council to issue a variance to the Animal Control ordinance, by either statute or City code, the denial of other variance petitions submitted by other persons now or at a later date would constitute a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

Therefore, this recent action to grant a variance against Sec. 4-30 (Kennel ordinance) to Ms. Grutkowski is contrary to law. Please consider this notice to be my veto of the motion granting said variance. Finally, our city attorney advises us that the city council may not override this veto, since doing so would sustain an illegal action.

Mayor Joe R. Whalen
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Posted by Steve Allison (+977) 9 years ago
Miles City has a three dog limit without a kennel license. As a way around this limitation the people involved could get a license, then they could house more then 3 dogs. I am not sure of the cost of a license. The easiest way to help this situation might be to help those involved get license by donating towards the cost of a kennel license.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2739) 9 years ago
This is far from the first time the current City Council approved by a clear majority an ordinance that was contrary to Montana Statutes or the City Charter (read: illegal). Let's hope the incoming Council members are more strident in their pledge to uphold and defend the laws of the land.

It will be interesting to see if the next mayor will be anywhere near as good as Joe has been at keeping the Council from doing illegal things just because they are either ignorant of the law or assume they know more than Mr. Huss (who I hold in very high regard, by the way - he's certainly one of the best city attorneys I have ever come across).
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Posted by BLT (+86) 9 years ago
Kasey is Kay Carlson who was raised in Miles City but lives in Billings and really should just limit her ranting in Billings where she lives and pays her taxes.
I don't know why that these people who have left Miles City need to engage and complain about our local issues when it really does not effect them.


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Posted by David Schott (+16722) 9 years ago
Kacey wrote:
"The fact is that it was a done deal until Whalen lost. Perhaps he's getting some extra income to do this."

It seems the veto happened before the election? If so, it appears the "fact is" Kacey doesn't know the "facts" as well as she thinks she does.
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Posted by howdy (+4951) 9 years ago
thanks Joe, for spelling it out for us and clearing up the illegality of the matter...as usual you are right on target providing correct information for your constituents ..thanks, we will miss you...
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1666) 9 years ago
Kacey, why do you always, always disappear once you've stirred the pot, and the stink it emanates fills the forum? You seem to have no problem whatsoever flinging unsubstantiated accusations, and never apologizing for them. Not cool.
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Posted by BD (+338) 9 years ago
Diane would get a kennel license except MC doesn't allow it,( she was told that you cant have a kennel license in city limits.
Joe W. he did this for his own agendy what it is I'm sure we will find out sooner or later. He sights the law when it suits his purpose. Why then do other cities in the state allow safe house for dogs and cats to help them find new homes? If it is against the Law. Last they said at the meeting that Janet Young works with East Main and she get around $1000.00 a monthe to put down the dogs from the city. This is according to her own words..she only saves "the good ones". While Diane asks for no money to board them and fixes them and finds home for them. Her yard is cleaned daily of the mess the dogs make. Her house is clean, she said she would only have 8 dogs in her yard at one time that includes the count of her own dogs. Not 8+ whatever. So maybe everyone needs to reconsider the facts not what you think you hear and go to the meetings.
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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
Yawn.
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Posted by K.Duffy (+1790) 9 years ago
+2 for Kelly

First of all Billie, the $1,000.00 per month is an approximate figure, based on $10.00 per animal. It is paid by the City to EMAC for euthanasia of unclaimed, and abandoned animals from the pound, NOT to Janet Young.

Janet is a volunteer who takes many, many of EMAC's overflow of stray dogs to save them ~( btw, also paying for their care from HER own pocket)

She has gone through the proper channels and done the extensive paperwork to get a 501 (c) non-profit for the organization she presides over.

[This message has been edited by K.Duffy (11/10/2011)]
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9993) 9 years ago
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4456) 9 years ago
Kay Carlson


So good to put a face to the crazy.
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Posted by Laura Sevier (+1774) 9 years ago
The person wanting the variance said she/he would only have up to 8 dogs, so if she/he has 5 of her/his own dogs, he/she should only be allowed to have 3 foster dogs, for the total of 8 dogs in her/his yard. It is not fair for the neighbors to have 8 foster dogs, + the person's own 5 dogs for a total of 13 dogs disturbing the neighborhood. 8+5=13 Again I ask is the person wanting the variance going to be home full time, so he/she can call the dogs in every time they bark, so the dogs don't disturb the neighbors, or does this person work somewhere full time and won't be home to stop the dogs from disturbing the neighbors. Again this person should have to build a building with kennels with drains, so the dog potty can be rinsed with hot water from a hose. Again I stress taking care of an animal shelter with 12 dogs is a full time job itself. If you let this person that wants the variance keep 8 foster dogs + her own dogs, then everyone who has over 3 dogs will want a variance so there is no limit on how many dogs they have, counting their own dogs, so the count should include the person's own dogs and the person can not go over 8 dogs with her/his own dogs in the count.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4456) 9 years ago
It's okay Laura, you can't argue with crazy. Joe must have an "agendy" to open a licensed kennel.
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Posted by Laura Sevier (+1774) 9 years ago
I am wondering where the person who wants the variance will keep the foster dogs if they don't get along with her/his own dogs? Will she/he leave the foster dogs outside all day this winter? Will he/she put the foster dogs in crates in the house if the foster dogs don't get along with her/his dogs, it would not be fair to crate the dogs, if he/she works full time. What is her/his facility like. These are just a few questions that need to be answered.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11610) 9 years ago
BD--Other cities have different laws. That is why what is legal in one city may be illegal in another. For example, urban chickens. Some cities have them. Some cities don't allow them. It is up to every community to determine what works for them.

The variance is illegal and kennel licenses aren't allowed in the city limits under Miles City law. Therefore, if you want these things to happen, you need to alter the current city laws. Just like the chicken folks are doing.

There is no conspiracy theory, no crazy back room plots, just the law as it is written in Miles City.
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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
I happen to spend a LOT of time in Miles City. I wonder why Mayor Whalen's buddies spent the time to find out my name...or did your illustrious mayor tell you puppets to post it? Either way I don't care....BECAUSE...2 years ago I posted it myself when I put my father's obituary online.

And yes, I know what I'm talking about as I am still very close to many people in Miles City.

Denise..you are no better than you claim me to be! Your comments make me sick to my stomach. I have spent three days having my mother diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and a blood clot in her lung. I have been in the hospital the majority of the last 2 days. Feel proud for what you wrote.

You can all take a flying leap. Life is too short for your bullpoop. Last post by me on milescity.com
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Posted by Tom Masa (+2017) 9 years ago
Yeah!!!!!
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1666) 9 years ago
Wait a minute...you are the one spewing libelous statements, yet you are the injured party here? I've got to figure out how to work that angle.

You really do have a thing or two to teach me. I humbly bow before you.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2739) 9 years ago

Last post by me on milescity.com


Kacey, the only thing lost with your departure is your opportunity to show some class by apologizing to the people you tried to defame with your first post in this thread. That should have been your last post.

Btw: You admit that you posted your name on here before, yet in the same breath you accuse others of researching your identity... Lady, as I said once before, get a grip!
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16969) 9 years ago
Well, at least one thing positive got accomplished by this thread.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6022) 9 years ago
Using your sick mother as an excuse is surprisingly sh***y, even by your standards, Kacey.

OWN your statements. Don't hide behind your mother's illness. It's pathetic and pitiable.

Don't let the proverbial door hit you on the ass on the way out.

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Posted by bigsky (+78) 9 years ago
character assassinations, unsubstaniated alligations, bitch, crap...

pots are calling kettles black and ladies are being ladies....

dont you guys think that her neighbors should be the ones to have the final say on her kennel liscense?

kacey...i hope that your mother recovers...i will pray for her.

aaron bruce
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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
dont you guys think that her neighbors should be the ones to have the final say on her kennel liscense?


NO! The Law has the final say.
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Posted by Herbie (+111) 9 years ago
Amorette, since when does "Jesus Christ" have anything to do with it? Wow....
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6173) 9 years ago
I don't think Kacey was using her mother's illness as an excuse. I think she was just addressing Denise's query about her whereabouts on the thread. I agree that she did "stir the pot" but I'm going to cut her some slack. I know how stressful an illness in the family can be.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1666) 9 years ago
I absolutely agree, Wendy. However, I was pointing out Kacey's prolific history with this same m.o. Here is just one example:

[deleted old reference.....dawned on me bringing up this old ridiculous thread is not much better than starting it in the first place.]

There are many, many, many examples. While the situation with her mother is most unfortunate, there exists without a pattern of this same behavior of which I speak. It is this tendency with which I am concerned.

Apologies are often times a neat way to right a wrong. She should try it some time.

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Posted by Doxie (+25) 9 years ago
Diane, We are praying for you. No matter what God is in control. Remember those that try to take us down are actually lifting us up, Causing us to fight and stand for what is right. Your enemies will be your footstool. Whalens actions and attitude speaks loud and clear and the hole he tried to dig for you he will fall right into! You have our love and support, and prayers. Remember no weapon formed against you shall prosper. Ps. Sully says hi and we thank you for rescuing him. He is a joy. Love, The Parkers
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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
No matter what God is in control.


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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6022) 9 years ago
"Doxie" - such an ironic pseudonym.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11610) 9 years ago
My mother died recently after a long bout with cancer. I did not tell lies or attack innocent people in an on-line forum while she was dying. Using that as an excuse is obscene. As for her name, hello! Small town. We know everybody.

Kacey's behavior is inexcusable. Period. I don't care who she is, I don't care who in her family is ill. I just know that her insane screed against various people in Miles City is offensive, libelous and WRONG. You don't accuse people of accepting bribes and then blame YOUR mother for YOUR lies.

I sincerely hope she does withdraw from this forum until her sanity returns. I feel for her suffering with her mother but it DOES NOT EXCUSE her offensive behavior.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2739) 9 years ago
Amorette says it perfectly, so no sense repeating it - just support it 100%.


Apologies are often times a neat way to right a wrong. She should try it some time.


Kacey, you've obviously read Denise's words before. I hope you read those and take them to heart. An apology to those you wronged in your first post is certainly called for upon your return - and I, for one, hope you do as long as you refrain from defaming others.

And yes, I hope your mother's condition improves soon.

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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
"Doxie" - such an ironic pseudonym.


Yes... she manages a janitorial service that specializes in the removal of infectious diseases. She is also know known to let out little gasps of air as she deals with such messes.

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Doxie-sigh-clean.
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Posted by Frank Hardy (+1512) 9 years ago
I thought you might call her a doxie-moron.

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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
When she studies her prayers its...

Doxie-ology.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2739) 9 years ago
If she's a twin, would you call the two of them a Pair-a-Doxie?
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6022) 9 years ago
Oh, there's more ...
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
If she is studying weed killers she might be

Ortho-doxie.
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Posted by Dillpickle (+30) 9 years ago
If she rides a bike, she could be Doxie cyclin!
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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
If she jumps out of an airplane, she could be para-doxie.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
Amateurs!

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So maybe a way to solve the too many doggies issue is to dress several of them up in a suit like this



and call them urban chickens! That would allow nine critters without a permit.

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Posted by Laura Sevier (+1774) 9 years ago
If anyone would like to voice their concern on how many dogs everyone in the city limits can have, come to the Public Safety Committe meeting at City Hall on Friday November 18, 2011 at 6:00 p.m. to say what you want to say about the Dog Variance the Mayor vetoed
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16969) 9 years ago
Kacey really, really needs to be at this meeting.
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Posted by Laura Sevier (+1774) 9 years ago
I called the clerk at City Hall and told her the Public Safety Meeting was not listed in the Miles City Star, and the clerk got my name and number and called the Miles City Star and then the clerk called me back and said the Miles City Star missed the meeting and so the Public Safety Meeting scheduled for Friday November 18,2011 at 6:00 p.m. at City Hall concerning the dog variance will have proper notice the meeting is canceled and will be rescheduled so the meeting can be advertised in the Miles City Star newspaper.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11610) 9 years ago
I believe there was also an issue of not being able to obtain a quorum, which made canceling the meeting logical.

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Posted by Laura Sevier (+1774) 9 years ago
The Public Safety Committe meeting will be at noon on Wednesday November 30, 2011 at the City Hall conference room and the Committe wil look at establishing wording and restrictions for ordinance relating to private animal shelters, so anyone interested in hearing how many pets people are allowed to have in the city, come to this meeting to voice your concerns.
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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
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Posted by Laura Sevier (+1774) 9 years ago
Bump
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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
Darn, I completely forgot about the meeting until too late. How'd it go?
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Posted by Laura Sevier (+1774) 9 years ago
The Public Safety Committee did not make a decision, there will be another meeting, watch the Miles City Star for when the next meeting will be. And watch this post for when the next Public Safety Committee is concerning private foster homes.
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Posted by BD (+338) 9 years ago
I think that Laura Sevier misses or doesn't understands what we are trying to do. We know that only 3 dogs are allowed per house in Miles City, We are only trying to help the animals that people drop off on the side of the road or leave in town for someone else to care for them. (Otherwise the city will fine you up to $500.00 if you pick them up and have over the 3 dog limit, why don't we have a 3 cat or 3 bird limit?) The point is we have a few people in town that will go to bat to help the animals out FREE. Not taking money for any actions they help to fix the animals up if there health is bad, find them loving homes this is all done for FREE. They don't take money to have dogs put down as some do from the city. They save us $1000.00 a month (the amount we Pay to certain ones who say they are there to find homes for the animals). They are only asking for time to help these little creatures out. Shame on anyone that is against helping the animals. They don't want to have a puppy mill this is only in the minds of the ones that are receiving the Money to put the puppys down! Yes I will be at the meeting and I hope others will come to see the greed we have in this city.

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Posted by annie221 (+252) 9 years ago
Once again East Main has adopted out in 2009-60 dogs and 84 cats---in 2010 36 dogs and 48 cats---and 2011 to date 43 dogs and 42 cats. I don't think you can say they put down everything! You can't adopt out an injured, sick, wolf hybrid or mean animal. And what do you do when you receive 45 feral cats in one week? Are you ready to adopt those cats? Have you been able to adopt out that many animals per year? What do you do when people don't step up to adopt an animal? Where are all the people willing to foster homeless animals? I know that everyone in town doesn't have their limit of animals-so why not become a legal foster home under the present law?
Why not spay and neuter your pets to eliminate some of this problem? If a community would have a spay/neuter ratio of only 70% then the pet population would remain the same (this is according to national research)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by annie221 (+252) 9 years ago
Also some of these shelters in the city now take in dogs from out of the city and state. That is not helping the city to save money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by K.Duffy (+1790) 9 years ago
I'm wondering, Billie, if you're so mortified at the thought of any animal being put down ~ why aren't YOU and your network volunteering to foster/rehabilitate them for East Main? They've begged for years to have volunteers take in the neglected dogs and help rehabilitate them. How about all your loving and compassionate pals stepping up to the plate and 'saving lives' legally??

How on earth will more Miles City people become responsible for the pets they get, if just dumping them off when they're tired of them, (or they have puppies) no longer involves possibly being fined?
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Posted by Laura Sevier (+1774) 9 years ago
BD I do understand what is trying to be done with private animal shelters and foster homes.

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Posted by Merry DeAnda (+1781) 9 years ago
From my understanding dog variance is going to voted on tonight at the city council meeting. In speaking with the people in my neighborhood (Ward 4), they are all opposed to this dog variance.

I called the two people who represent Ward 4 and voiced my opinion about this. One listened to my comments and the other did not.

I hope that anyone else that is against this will call their council members and voice their concerns.

For me, living next door to someone who is housing/kenneling 8 dogs sound like a recipe disaster and for a lot of sleepless nights.

I hope the council members listen to the voice of their ward members.
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Posted by Olive (+1774) 9 years ago
Go to the meeting tonight Tuesday June 12, 2012 at 7:00 p.m. at City Hall and voice your concerns in person.
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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
Olive..or should I say Laura Sevier? You need two different names on here now in order to try and make it look like there are more concerned citizens?
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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
ok..Merry DeAnda you're next.

From the article about your mom retiring from the liquor store business:
In 2007, after decades in the liquor store, Mentikov decided it was time to think of retiring and doing something different. Her husband had gotten out of the ranching business in 1999 after fracturing his back in a horse accident. Their children were all grown and scattered around the country, including one son who is currently building golf courses in Pakistan. Besides, at age 77, she figured it was time to retire.

She says she and her husband plan to do some traveling, as well spend more time at home. She also enjoys gardening and painting.

She didn't have to look far for someone to take over the business. Her daughter, Mary DeAnda, a military retiree and civilian employee for the Department of Defense in Europe, and her husband, Armonda DeAnda, a computer consultant, thought that this was an opportunity to come back to her home town.

So we can all assume that your posts on here are on behalf of your sister Suzanne Gilbraith, one of only two council people opposed to the ordinance One would wonder whether your opinions are actually yours or you are simply being a mouthpiece for your sister.
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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
Now for my own opinion. I have a rescue dog from Diane. She does amazing work saving animals. Unlike those taken in by animal control, her animals are given a future. They are loved and provided with needed medical care. They are given approved homes with people who will treasure them. Diane has stated many times that she has never received a barking dog violation in all the years she has done this. NEVER. She didn't get a ticket for barking dogs this last time either! She was ticketed for having more than three dogs!

Thirteen of her immediate neighbors (she only has neighbors on three sides)have signed a petition saying they have no objection to her having her shelter. They also have stated they have NO problem with the dogs. None of the dogs are dangerous. The neighbors take their kids to Diane's and let them play with the dogs.

I don't see how these few dogs can pose such a threat to people. What type of insecurity does this stem from?

The majority of towns in Montana have rescue shelters just like Diane is proposing.

Instead of lining the pockets of East Main for euthanizing animals at $1000 or more a month (according to Columbik at a council meeting)we need to be focusing on saving these animals. Diane is willing to put her time and effort and money into something that Miles City desperately needs.

Support her and help those who can't help themselves.
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Posted by K.Duffy (+1790) 9 years ago
Very moving, Kacey. Do you also have the statistics on how many of the poor,doomed dogs put to death by EMAC have been 'sheltered' for even a busy holiday weekend to spare their life(s)? Where are all of you that are so against euthanasia of uncontrollable dogs during these peak boarding times? I know EMAC has sent out pleas many times to encourage people to foster strays, until openings in the kennels are available. It's very misleading to the public to insinuate Diane or any of her associates are involved in 'saving' the dogs picked up by animal control. That's my MAIN issue with this whole facade.

I have no problem with what Diane has been doing, even if it's been against the law. She's far from the only person living by their own set of rules. At least what she's been doing has been a great sacrifice that comes from the very core of her heart and soul.

I also don't like the premise of using words like 'shelter' or 'foster care' instead of calling the change of the Kennel Ordinance what it REALLY is. It's REALLY a license for soft hearted dog lovers to provide a permanent home for more than 4 dogs. I believe very few people can or should take on something like that ~ especially in city limits. It's not fair to the dogs as well as neighbors.
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Posted by Merry DeAnda (+1781) 9 years ago
Kacey, I am glad you took the time to research our past.

My comments have nothing to do with my sister, as you ass u me.

However, they do have to do with dogs in our ward barking all night long. Which I do not appreciate and that is why do not support this dog variance.

If this is happening now, what will be like when these so called "kennels" are allowed up to 8 dogs.

And BTW, Kay Carlson who was raised in Miles City, but lives in Billings, why are you so concerned with this dog variance, you don't even live here! How about we take all the rescued dogs to your home in Billings? A least I don't have to use an alias.

Why don't you mind your own business and let the people of Miles City decided on this dog variance.

What dog do you have in this fight?


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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
Merry,
Sorry if I hit a nerve. And NO..not an alias as I've posted on here about my family so those who have been on MC.com know who I am and have for a long time.

As for what dog do I have in this fight? HOW APPALLING!!!

Dog fighting is the worst sport on the planet. For people to even use that expression is offensive to those who truly love and care for dogs.

I have seen dogs that Diane has rescued. I have watched her take a dog that was supposedly "aggressive" and was going to be put down and turn him into the sweetest lap dog that my grandchildren have played with!

As for dogs barking all night and bothering you...IF you have neighbors with barking dogs where you live perhaps you should concentrate on that problem. DIANE has never been ticketed for barking dogs.

DO YOU GET THIS NOW? ONE MORE TIME>>>

The ticket was for having more than three dogs. NOT for them barking.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11610) 9 years ago
This is not an ordinance to grant one particular person a license. This is a general kennel license that will allow ANYONE who follows the procedure to have a rescue kennel. The city cannot legally write an ordinance that applies to one person. It must write it to apply to everyone.

If it were for one person, it would be less controversial. However, it is for anyone who applies. Please remember that when expressing an opinion.

We are aware that Kay Carlson does not like the vets at East Main but that is irrelevant to the issue. The issue is:

SHOULD ANYONE BE ALLOWED TO HAVE UP TO EIGHT ANIMALS.
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Posted by BD (+338) 9 years ago
I would like to let everyone to know that I am for the Dog variance, we need people to help these animals. They have information on the proposal and I hope people will realize that we have many dogs-cats that people drop off on the streets or their owners die and the animals are put to sleep. There are a few good hearted people that find homes for these animals, they are asking to be allowed to have more them 3 dogs up to 8 dogs(no more then 8) at a time so they can do this. They are loving people and do it with no money involved. I commend them for there work and hope you will think serously about how they are helping the community out finding homes for these animals.

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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
There is a strict application process to get a kennel variance. Diane has jumped through numerous hoops to get to this point. It was said that anyone else who wanted a kennel variance would have to do the same things. It has been a long drawn out process and entails way more than simply filling out a form. Most people would have given up long before now. This has been going on since last August.
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Posted by BD (+338) 9 years ago
I think that before you say someone is against something you need to check out who you are refereing to. I have never heard any of the people listed say they were against it. There are some that are against it because it takes money out of there pocket. It was stated at one of the meetings that they put many of the animals down and this person who won't mention gets around a $1000.00 a month for all the animal she puts down. So be careful what you say and to whom you telling these lies to. Oh by the way the we are paying for this charge monthly.

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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
WOW Kacey! What an A$$hat.
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Posted by howdy (+4951) 9 years ago
Kacey, whatever happened to "my last post on MC.COM" said last November?? Just curious that's all...
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Posted by Bridgier (+9071) 9 years ago
I'm pretty sure you never hear about these sorts of problems in more enlightened places such as Singapore or South Korea....
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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
It was stated at one of the meetings that they put many of the animals down and this person who won't mention gets around a $1000.00 a month for all the animal she puts down.


How many dogs has Diane taken from said thief to keep them from being put down? I know for a fact the answer is a BIG FAT ZERO.
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Posted by Merry DeAnda (+1781) 9 years ago
Amorette, Thank you for clarifying this. Is there anywhere we can read the complete dog variance? Thanks

This is exactly what my point is. If one person can go through the "Strict Application Process", then anyone can.

Again I will let my feelings known, I do not support this ordinance. Next thing you know there will be a kennel on every corner.

Kacey, Are you telling me that Diane's dogs don't bark. Does she let them outside or are they kenneled inside her house. In case you did not know, dogs bark.

Come on, as far as using the term what dog do you have in this fight, get real. Again I ask, if you live in Billings, why are so concerned with this ordinance? are you related to Diane?

Bridgier No there is definitely not a problem in Korea. I spent a year in Dongducheon and you never saw stray dogs or cats running around. The only time you saw them is when you went to a restaurant and ordered Gaegog (dog) or Goyangi-tan (cat).

Hum, maybe someone needs to open a Korean restaurant in MC.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9071) 9 years ago
And it could be in the Train Depot.

That's called synergy...
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11610) 9 years ago
This is the final reading of the ordinance. It has undergone several revisions over the months. You could ask at City Hall but they do not generally have the complete ordinances under consideration available for the public at meetings.
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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
Kelly,
Go roll another one.

Merry,
I am NOT related to Diane. In case you can't understand plain English I will say again..I HAVE A DOG DIANE RESCUED. That dog has given me so much love. I can never repay Diane for putting this wonderful dog in my life. There are many more dogs out there needing help.

READ THE STAR ARTICLE ABOUT THE LAST RESCUE.
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Posted by BD (+338) 9 years ago
Kelly what you said is true, I am sad to say this person does not give out these dogs away if she can't help them she puts them down. However I am happy to say that Diane has helped in the hundreds to save dogs that are brought to her or if she can help someone find a home for the dogs she does, but Diane pays for these dogs to have a clean bill of health and there shots. The other person depends on donations to save the animals and of course our Tax dollars, I do not think this other person is bad I just think that if we can save the animals and have someone like Diane to help us out why not take advantage of it.
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Posted by BD (+338) 9 years ago
Yes Amorette (forgive me if I misspell your name) But Diane dogs do bark, but the law says it must be continually barking if you read it over, but like all dogs if someone comes to your house your dog will bark, but once they see who it is they quiet down, she houses all her dogs in her house, her yard is half 8 ft wooden privacy fence and half chain link. She is trying at this time to get the yard completely in a privacy fence. But for now If Diane is not home most of the time her dogs are in the air conditioned house. She lets them out in the morning, comes home for lunch from work and is home at 5pm and sits most the time outside with them so they don't bark unless a person drives up to her door they will give a warning to Diane. I was there yesterday and they gave a small warning and Diane was outside and we visited for several hours, I heard her dogs bark one time when a stray cat ran on her lawn. She is very loving and careful of these animals. I only wish more people were like her.

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Posted by BD (+338) 9 years ago
Laura, Diane has said over and over that she will only care for 8 dogs, she has 5 dogs, 3 of these are dogs that were given to her because they are in poor health and she can't get anyone to take them. She will care for them until they die which she has lost several of these dogs that she cares for this last year to health problems, 2 of these dogs were droped on her door step and she is in the process of getting rid of one today, it will have surgery today and a lady will be picking it up and taking it home. Another person she has placed a dog with. Will she have 4 dogs maybe today 4 tomorrow maybe 3 and so on. Will she have 5 dogs next week depends on how many are dropped off to her. Don't condemn someone for caring to much. She wants just to find these dogs homes. She has said she will only house 8 dogs at one time. She is a women of her word, I know she turned down a dog not to long ago because she had 8 dogs. So maybe you need to check out the facts before you say anything.
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Posted by K.Duffy (+1790) 9 years ago
I am sad to say this person does not give out these dogs away if she can't help them she puts them down. However I am happy to say that Diane has helped in the hundreds to save dogs that are brought to her or if she can help someone find a home for the dogs she does, but Diane pays for these dogs to have a clean bill of health and there shots. The other person depends on donations to save the animals and of course our Tax dollars, I do not think this other person is bad I just think that if we can save the animals and have someone like Diane to help us out why not take advantage of it.


Still attempting to translate that 1st sentence..it appears to be referring to the shelter dogs? Once again, the magic question I keep asking people like you and Kay ~ why is it such a big,heart wrenching tear jerking ordeal for all of you to know un-adoptable dogs/cats will be euthanized when the room runs out, yet you're not stepping up to take THEM? All these wonderful acts you praise Diane for doing, are not saving the dogs on Death Row in Miles City..what up with that??
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Posted by annie221 (+252) 9 years ago
East Main Vet Clinic DOES NOT get $1000.00 per month to euthanize animals! Check to records at City Hall! Also they try to get dogs and cats adopted out to new homes, but what do you do when you get 25 cats in one week!!! Will anyone out there foster them? Or if you get 4 dogs in one week. They take good care of dogs until they are rehomed or foster out. Will people be willing to foster dogs from the city pound with the new ordinance goes into law? Just like any one else in town when the clinic is full and no one volunteers to foster what do you expect the clinic to do with the animals? We won't have this problem if people were responsible pet owners and took care of their pets including rehoming them when necessary instead of letting them get picked up by the pound!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by BD (+338) 9 years ago
My meaning is the person who puts the dogs to sleep does not ask for help (if they did I would line up to help) they determine after a period of time which dog get put down. I am not for putting the dogs down, I do understand reasons to do so. But I am for doing as much as we can to save these animals, that includes all animals. I don't understand you for thinking it so great to kill these animals instead of trying first to save them. I would rather be known as a kind hearted person instead of a _____I will leave that up to your imagination. But for now I vote lets help the animals we can and give them a chance for a new home.

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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11610) 9 years ago
This ordinance is not about one person.

THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT ABOUT ONE PERSON.

This ordinance is not about one person.

This ordinance is not about one person.

This ordinance is not about one person.

I am willing to start putting it in other languages besides English if that would help.

It is not about one person. It is not about personal vendettas. It is about allowing anyone who applies to be allowed up to eight dogs for years and years to come.

THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT ABOUT ONE PERSON.
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Posted by BD (+338) 9 years ago
Annie221, you maybe right, it is hard to care for so many, that is why there are people that are willing help. I would do so and have helped before to save animals I however will not kill them, as for the $1000. a month that is what was stated by the animal shelter said was paid out at the first meeting last year this was spent to kill the animals or to pay for there care. I never mention where or who got this money you did. I don't know for a fact that what place they were speeking about. As for the clinic I know they are good people and try to help the dogs also.
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Posted by BD (+338) 9 years ago
Amorette, but truly right now it is about one person, so don't loose you head over it. Live with and control is good.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11610) 9 years ago
No, it is NOT ABOUT ONE PERSON. A city CANNOT write an ordinance for one person. Yes, only one person has currently stepped up and said I want this to apply to me but once it passes, it will apply to EVERYONE. For YEARS TO COME. As a history buff, I try to think long term. And long term means that this ordinance IS NOT ABOUT ONE PERSON.

If you support the ordinance because of one person, you are supporting it for everyone who applies. I can't understand why people do not want to grasp that simple fact.

No city ordinance is about one person. It is about the city as a whole and what is best for the city as a whole today and in the future. Stop being short-sighted and think about the future, future applicants, future populations.

I am do not have an opinion on the matter but I do want people to grasp the concept that

repeat after me

THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT ABOUT ONE PERSON.

Sigh.

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Posted by Merry DeAnda (+1781) 9 years ago
Amorette I get it! So, Here let me help you out.

La presente ordinanza non si tratta di UNA PERSONA.

Diese Verordnung ist nicht um eine Person

? ?? ? ?? ??? ???

THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT ABOUT ONE PERSON

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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
For the first time in 8747 posts, I have no opinion.
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Posted by BD (+338) 9 years ago
Lets just agree to disagree,one person at this moment, tomorrow someone else willstep up. So I don't agree it can't be the first time. Have a good night and take a chill pill.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11610) 9 years ago
So I don't agree it can't be the first time.


I have no idea what you mean. Yes, this will be the first time such an ordinance will be passed, if it passes. Yes, Diane will probably be the first applicant. But I don't know why it can't be 'the first time.'

All I am trying to get through is that this ordinance, if it passes, will apply to people OTHER than Diane. Do you understand that? That you are not voting for Diane per se but for all applicants in the future?

I care about the city and its laws so that part of the whole discussion bothers me. That people do not understand what they are supporting or why.
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Posted by Merry DeAnda (+1781) 9 years ago
Amorette +10
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Posted by Olive (+1774) 9 years ago
Kacey, I am not Laura Sevier, I am her friend, so do not say I am somebody I am not, my friend Laura quit posting on milescity.com because she got tired of people making comments when she posted things on milescity.com and getting mad at her, she has not posted anything on milescity.com in months now, I am just her friend, again I am not Laura Sevier, so Kacey you need to get your facts straight before posting something on milescity.com My real name is Olive so be sure you know who you are talking about.

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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4456) 9 years ago
I don't know why anyone is bothering with a permit. I remember plenty of people with more dogs than anyone needs and no one seemed to give a rip. It's Miles City, rules are for everyone else.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16969) 9 years ago
Buck +100
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Posted by Dillpickle (+30) 9 years ago
I want an ordinance. How do I get one?
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
Soooooo...... what happened. Did the ordinance pass?
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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
Yes, the ordinance passed.
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Posted by annie221 (+252) 9 years ago
Good now we will have more people willing to foster dogs and cats that come through the pound!
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4456) 9 years ago
No, now you'll have one honest person with a permit and the rest of the world ignoring a stupid ordinance no one has time to enforce. Sounds like the same thing you had the day before yesterday, except this one woman's bitchy neighbors will have to shove a sock in it.

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Posted by snorkie (+111) 9 years ago
Yes, I agree that Diane is trying to help. However I live down the street from her and if my dog was out of the yard as much as hers have been in the last 18 years, I would have a ticket...multiple times. And sorry but I don't agree with her little ankle biters roaming the corner loose. Ya have to keep the dogs in the fence. And please don't holler at me that she does because she had to gather them twice last week just so i could drive down the alley to my house. No leashes either. We have a leash law. And just because she used to work for the drivers examiner doesn't mean she should get special rights like when I would call and complain that the dogs were out and the dog catcher and police would call and have her go home and put her dogs back in the yard. That has happened way too many times. Write the ticket. The dogs chase the mailcarriers and anyone that walks by. I wouldn't have a problem with her finding the dogs homes if she would put more effort into keeping them in the yard. I have a fence, my dog stays in the yard. Dog is safe, people are safe. Q.E.D. and just for the record, all those immediate neighbors that said they didn't mind if she has those dogs ??? No body asked me and lemme tell ya, I'm really easy to find. Bet it wouldn't take somebody even 10 seconds to find me.

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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
Olive..as in Laura's dog's name Olive? Hmmm...
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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
The Animal Control officer has written many, many tickets, all over town. The problem is once it goes up the ladder, the tickets get dismissed. Not a very effective system.
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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
snorkie,

the ONLY time the dogs are out of the yard is when Diane takes them on HER OWN PROPERTY...yes..she owns the property beside her home

UNLESS someone who has been trying to keep her from getting the ordinance goes by and opens the gate when she isn't outside.

And yes, that has happened more than once in an attempt to make her look bad in hopes that the ordinance wouldn't pass.

So perhaps Diane should be looking into trespassing charges for those who feel they have a right to come ONTO her property and open her gate.

By the way, it is chained now.
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Posted by snorkie (+111) 9 years ago
Dear Kasey, go take care of your mom...keep yourself busy. You need something to do with your time. I live down the block from the zoo. I see what goes on. All the time, all day. And I don't have to apologize to anyone for the fact that I can see what goes on. And how she lets the dogs out for outta the yard time. Sorry put the dogs on a leash for their outta the yard time. Oh that's right...she doesn't have to because none of the neighbors mind.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
Kasey sure is doing an awesome job of making sure nothing sticks to the bottom of the pan.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
Will
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
to page six. YES!
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16969) 9 years ago
You can all take a flying leap. Life is too short for your bullpoop. Last post by me on milescity.com


How so very long ago November 10, 2011 seems.....

Yesterday....
All my troubles seemed so far away
Now it looks as though they're here to stay
Oh, I believe
In yesterday
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Posted by Olive (+1774) 9 years ago
Kacey, my friend Laura does not have a dog named Olive, you need to get your facts straight before posting things on milescity.com, my friend Laura had a dog named Moses but he passed away in December 2010, my friend Laura does not know who you are, and you do not know her, so don't spread rumors about people you do not know. Spreading rumors about someone you don't know could get you sued, that is why my friend Laura does not post anything on milescity.com anymore. So Kacey who ever you are be very careful what you say on milescity.com I had a grandma named Olive and I am named after her.

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Posted by Dillpickle (+30) 9 years ago
I find it odd that MC passed an ordinance pertaining to just one person.
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Posted by David Schott (+16722) 9 years ago
Olive wrote:
"Laura had a dog named Moses but he passed away in December 2010, my friend Laura does not know who you are, and you do not know her, so don't spread rumors about people you do not know."

"Olive" and Laura must be really close friends as it seems "Olive" knows Laura as well as Laura knows Laura.
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Posted by Olive (+1774) 9 years ago
Yes I am very good friends with Laura, because I also live in Miles City. As friends Laura and I call each other on the phone and go to activities together, I knew Laura's dog Moses before he passed away and I took care of him when she went out of town, if Kacey needs to be so nosey, she has a black female dog named Oreo, not Olive, and I also take care of Oreo when Laura goes out of town. It is nobody's business who I am friends with or who Laura has for friends. So do not spread rumors or say things about people you do not know, maybe do not post anything on milescity.com anymore if it is not true. I commend my friend Laura for only reading the comments on milescity.com now and forever and not responding to comments posted on milescity.com to keep other people from getting mad at her. Everyone should take her example and just read the posts on milescity.com and keep their opinions to themselves then there would be no hard feelings toward anyone.

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Posted by Ashley Earley (+381) 9 years ago
Snorkie,

First of all, I'm trying to figure out what business you even have driving down the alley by Diane's house. You aren't one of her immediate neighbors so wouldn't it be out of your way to drive down the alley? Sounds like maybe you're driving past to antagonize the dogs.

Secondly, those little "ankle biters" don't cause harm to anyone! I have a 4 y/o, 2 y/o and baby who play in the grass with them all the time and they have NEVER ONCE even been nipped at.

A dog is, of course, going to bark if someone comes to close to their property, its their nature. Ask the mail carrier how many dogs bark at him on his route. I bet he will say just about every dog he passes. I live directly across from Diane and these are the only times I ever hear her dogs bark. Its not as if they are constantly barking at nothing.
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9993) 9 years ago
Olive wrote:
Everyone should take her example and just read the posts on milescity.com and keep their opinions to themselves then there would be no hard feelings toward anyone.

You do know that there is this thing called Google, which can be used to search the site for something like "Laura Sevier", which then shows posts that link to her profile, correct?

Perhaps "everyone" needs a better example?
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Posted by snorkie (+111) 9 years ago
Hey I can drive down my alley if I want to. I live on the other end of the block that makes me an immediate neighbor. We share the alley. Who made it anyone's business to tell anyone which alley they can drive down? And just exactly which immediate neighbor are you? I really don't care if you let your kids play with wolverines while they have tbone steaks draped around their necks. I can't walk my dog around the block on his leash because of her herd. Cause heaven forbid if my dog is on a leash and one of those sausages with legs comes out and bites him...it must be the fault of the dog on the leash. If you want to do something to help the strays, spay and neuter and go volunteer your time to help the shelter that exists. Don't give an excuse to put too many dogs on one property...be the solution.
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Posted by SeptyTwo (+667) 9 years ago
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Chianti - Walmart Grocery - 750ml - 10.00

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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11610) 9 years ago
Anyone notice what Mark Ahner said last night? This was not about one person. No one has applied for a permit. When someone does, take your concerns to the council about that specific person.
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Posted by Dillpickle (+30) 9 years ago
I can't wait to get my own ordinance.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
Dillpickle wrote:
I can't wait to get my own ordinance.


And would that be the ordinance where it becomes illegal for grasshoppers with wooden legs to kick all of the seeds out of a dillpickle?
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Posted by Diane Grutkowski (+212) 9 years ago
Snorkie
Wow, imagine my surprise to find your knife in my back. You are always so full of smiles & so nice when you interact with me in person.
I have also wondered why you drive slowly by my house & thru the alley. Since it is a dead-end street there is really no place to go but thru the alley and back to your house. Contrary to what you posted earlier, we DO NOT share the alley, as there is a house & property behind the house you live in; that house & property share the alley. I have heard from several neighbors that they are uncomfortable & suspicious about your obsession with driving thru our alley for no apparent reason. Funny thing is, when a couple of them suggested you were doing it to torment the neighborhood dogs, including the ones at my house; I defended you, saying that I did not believe that you were that mean- hearted. These same neighbors told me about your postings on here. Thank you for the wake up call. You may now feel free to uncover your horns and remove your nice smiling mask.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16969) 9 years ago
Cat fight! Break out the popcorn!
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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
Karla Duffy....

Once again, the magic question I keep asking people like you and Kay ~ why is it such a big,heart wrenching tear jerking ordeal for all of you to know un-adoptable dogs/cats will be euthanized when the room runs out, yet you're not stepping up to take THEM? All these wonderful acts you praise Diane for doing, are not saving the dogs on Death Row in Miles City..what up with that??



I HAVE RESCUED 6 DOGS personally. I have helped dozens more find new homes. You have no idea what I do. Or all the work I put into animal rescue. Arrogant. Just plain arrogant to make that statement about me.

Time to check in with reality.

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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
Merry-

In speaking with the people in my neighborhood (Ward 4), they are all opposed to this dog variance.


Today I had the pleasure of visiting with a friend of mine here in Billings. Imagine my surprise to find my friend is a VERY CLOSE neighbor of yours. A neighbor who supported the kennel ordinance 100%! NO you did not speak to this neighbor. And NO this neighbor was NOT opposed to this variance.

It's time for people to stop lying.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9071) 9 years ago
Isn't it about time you quit <redacted> this dead <redacted> Kacey?

Surely there's a poor starving cat out there who needs a home and indoctrination in the perils of Sarah Palin that you could be searching for RIGHT NOW.
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Posted by K.Duffy (+1790) 9 years ago
I HAVE RESCUED 6 DOGS personally. I have helped dozens more find new homes. You have no idea what I do. Or all the work I put into animal rescue. Arrogant. Just plain arrogant to make that statement about me.

Time to check in with reality.


These 6 DOGS YOU HAVE RESUED personally came from East Main, in an effort to save them from euthanasia?? Then yes, I am humbled...(doubting it..but humbled.)

You keep skipping over MY POINT which is: If you and Billie want to keep using the fact EMAC puts un-adoptable dogs to sleep to make all those 'Big Bucks' then why aren't you stepping up and volunteering THERE to take the dogs no one wants???

Of course, once again, if you bother to answer at all..you'll evade that question..I'll be so, so surprised
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Posted by Mandi (+359) 9 years ago
The teenage-like, Jerry Springer redneck crazy drama on this thread is so darn entertaining, I'm going to bump it just for fun.
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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
Karla Duffy!


These 6 DOGS YOU HAVE RESUED personally came from East Main, in an effort to save them from euthanasia?? Then yes, I am humbled...(doubting it..but humbled.)


First of all, how do you resue a dog????

As for the RESCUED dogs I have...

I took a stray dog that LINDLEY personally told me was NOT WORTH SAVING!! That poor little girl had been abused and her joints would not even stay in place. Lindley wanted to put her down. I said NO! I took her home and cared for her. I had her sleep on a heating pad on my bed. She got stronger. She lived to be almost 17. So Lindley does not know who should and should NOT be saved!

I kept several dogs from even ending UP at Lindley's last stop depot!
They found homes instead of being deemed UNADOPTABLE by Lindley.

Since moving from MC I have rescued dogs from here in Billings. Plus one rescue from Diane.

I'm sure more people would take another dog but the city has a limit on three dogs. Hopefully what has happened with Diane is opening people's eyes and letting them see there are other options than the animals needing to die.

Of course, once again, if you bother to answer at all..you'll evade that question..I'll be so, so surprised


Wow, must be your day for surprises Karla!
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Posted by Jessica Culver (+71) 9 years ago
I took a stray dog that LINDLEY personally told me was NOT WORTH SAVING!! That poor little girl had been abused and her joints would not even stay in place. Lindley wanted to put her down. I said NO! I took her home and cared for her. I had her sleep on a heating pad on my bed. She got stronger. She lived to be almost 17. So Lindley does not know who should and should NOT be saved!


Now, I don't care one way or another how many dogs people are allowed to have.

I don't care whether you've chose to save dogs from whatever situation.

But I'm guessing that a LICENSED VET knows more about dogs than you do. Sometimes, "miracles" can happen and things that are the least likely scenario possible end up working out just fine, like your dog there. That doesn't mean she's some kind of terrible person, it just means you and your rescued dog got lucky.

If you're SO adamant that she knows nothing about what should or should not be saved, I suggest you go pick up all of the animals she's got in there that she doesn't believe will make it and prove the lady who went to school for this wrong - maybe then people will want to listen to you. Sheesh.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
I think that some of you (you know who you are) should post "Beware of people" signs on your front gates. You are more vicious than the dogs at the "hide and fly" house.
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Posted by Julie (+415) 9 years ago
Richard, you are ALWAYS spot on!
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16969) 9 years ago
+1 to Mandi.

Bump.
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Posted by K. D. (+358) 9 years ago
I took a stray dog that LINDLEY personally told me was NOT WORTH SAVING!!


As we all know, money grows on trees . Where do you think she gets the money to house, feed, and care for these "NOT WORTH SAVING" animals? Only a few people donate money to help, and when that runs out, then what??? Old blind Sparky goes down, thats what! Deal with the reality of it, not your made up unicorn ride of an imagination.

Second of all, Diane opened up a big can of worms with this. Now anybody and everybody any animal hoarder can apply, and apparently, be approved for a kennel license. I seldom agree with Amorette's opinions, but I fully agree with her on this. For those of you who support Diane, think about your neighbor that now can have 8 dogs that may not care if they run loose, and bark or yap at all hours of the day.

[This message has been edited by K. D. (6/17/2012)]
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4456) 9 years ago
K. D. wrote:
For those of you who support Diane, think about your neighbor that now can have 8 dogs 6 kids that may not care if they run loose, and bark or yap at all hours of the day.


Stupid neighbors...
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Posted by snorkie (+111) 9 years ago
Dear dianne. I do not go down the alley to harass your dogs and I would think you know better. I have also told you to your face to keep your dogs in the yard. I think it is flatly rude to say that none of the neighbors mind that you have the dogs. We do and have said so to your face that there is a leash law and to contain the dogs. Theuiy have run out into the street and alley for years now. Yes I'm pleasant to you and will continue to do so but I have told you to your face for years that I do not approve of loose animals in town. And if you have a problem with the fact that I am being honest about my feelings to your face and on a public forum, then you just feel free to march yourself down and we can talk. So kindly pull your own horns in.
And why do i drive slowly down the alley? With the loose dogs down the street, someone would have had flattened sausages if I would have driven any other speed. Honestly, you know better!

[This message has been edited by snorkie (6/18/2012)]
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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
Snorkie,

Why did you just walk down the block, stop in front of Diane's house and then turn around and go back toward your house????? HMMMM???????

Trying to get the dogs to bark so you could turn in a complaint?

Too bad for you it didn't work!

[This message has been edited by Kacey (6/18/2012)]
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Posted by AllenCoe (+138) 9 years ago
I wish one of you that are threatening to sue each other actually would, now THAT would be entertainment.
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Posted by snorkie (+111) 9 years ago
Hey Kasey...Dianne is the one I was going to talk to. Is your name Dianne? Stay in your lemon OK? And let the adults talk.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9071) 9 years ago
Is there a safeword or something that someone's forgotten that would just LET THIS THREAD DIE?
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16969) 9 years ago
I think the safeword here is "anklebiter"
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Posted by nativemc (+907) 9 years ago
SAUSAGE
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Posted by Exalted Buckaroo (+244) 9 years ago
Pentobarbital.
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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
snorkie,

I am an adult. And NOT under the influence.

Getting nervous?

Video cameras..that's all I'm saying. Video cameras
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4456) 9 years ago
Plastic bag and a brick?
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Posted by Evalyn Harding (+177) 9 years ago
I think mr dog pound guy should check and follow throu with the 3 dog limit and the neglect of animals....
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16969) 9 years ago
Oh sure, throw this whole thread/catfight back on Officer Certain's shoulders....
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Posted by Diane Grutkowski (+212) 9 years ago
It is a matter of record that Officer Certain did not attend one City Council meeting or City Council public hearing to speak in opposition of the variance or ordinance and out of the 8 or 9 committee meetings regarding the variance & ordinance. he attended one. At that one meeting a member of the committee merely asked him to answer a few questions.

I do believe that if Officer Certain were as opposed as some people seem to think, he probably would have attended the meetings & public hearings and voiced his opposition.

[This message has been edited by Diane Grutkowski (6/18/2012)]
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Posted by Kelly (+2647) 9 years ago
You keep living in your cotton candy world. Officer Certain was certainly against it, all the times I spoke with him about it. Did it occur to you that maybe he didn't attend the meetings because he didn't want to leave a forehead scar from banging his head against the wall, knowing the clowncil would pass it no matter what he said?

[This message has been edited by Kelly (6/18/2012)]
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4456) 9 years ago
Why would anyone want to avoid this stupid discussion?
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago


THE END.
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Posted by snorkie (+111) 9 years ago
Hey that's cool Kasey, I appreciate that..now when I have to go do things I know that my house is safe because I have someone as wonderful and caring as you to look out for things. That's great! I just got a free security system! Lol!
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
Please replace the word "song" with "thread".



THE END
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Posted by howdy (+4951) 9 years ago
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Posted by Bridgier (+9071) 9 years ago
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Posted by Smiley (+843) 9 years ago
Well, I was talking to my boyfriend about this psycho lady that called me when my dog ran away, and was very weird about the whole thing. I remembered her name was Laura, remembered this site, looked here.

Haha, now she is posting as "Olive" claiming to be Laura's friend. Just a little investigative work, and bam!

http://milescity.com/foru...07/#262785

21 or 22 posts down she writes as herself then corrects it on the next post. Laura Sevier, you are a liar and a fraud. Good thing this is only MilesCity.com, and it doesn't matter. Glad I could solve this "mystery" in my boredom (Xbox+boyfriend=extreme boredom)

And for that time you called me 11 times in one day about my dog, that couldn't be tamed, bit my child, and ran whenever the door was open asking why I didn't put up signs and make an effort, procreate you. Seriously, you are pretty effing psychotic. You make PETA's actions look normal.
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Posted by Kacey (+3155) 9 years ago
Even East Main got tired of Laura posing as Olive and posting!
http://milescity.com/foru...07/#261813
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14880) 9 years ago
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Posted by Olive (+1774) 9 years ago
East Main thanked me for my help and said if you want me to set a live trap in the area to catch the dog let me know, I just love animals and like to help animals in need. I do pet sitting for a number of customers in Miles City. A business let me have a live trap and I am willing to let the community of Miles City use the trap if they need to catch a lost animal that is hard to catch, I am sending the business that let me have the trap, a Wal Mart gift card in appreciation of them letting me have the live trap, I am also putting a thank you ad in the Miles City Star Newspaper on Friday to the business for letting me have the live trap. It is up to the community of Miles City to decide if the community would ever like to borrow the live trap when Animal Control is not working. From now on I will post only my pet sitting business on milescity.com and nothing else, because the community of Miles City seems to get mad when different people post their opinions on milescity.com
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Posted by Smiley (+843) 9 years ago
Posting an honest opinion once- OK
Posting your honest opinion over and over with no replies- NOT OK

I think that's pretty simple
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16969) 9 years ago
because the community of Miles City seems to get mad when different people post their opinions on milescity.com


You need to develop a thick skin. I am one of the most opinionated and despised posters on milescity.com, and really could not give a fig.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9071) 9 years ago
I'll be honest - I think that roughly 75% of the pet related posts here reflect an level of obsession verging on mental illness.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6173) 9 years ago
Gunnar, you are everyone's snugglebunny!!
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