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Posted by Tom Masa (+1831) 8 years ago
I assume someone will post today's election results tonight on MC.COM?
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9661) 8 years ago
I think that's probably going to be a given.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+9778) 8 years ago
There's an election?
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Posted by JCF (+396) 8 years ago
i predict Whalen, 54%, Grenz 46%. you heard it "hear" first.
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Posted by cori schock (+188) 8 years ago
I'm not in Miles City, so am curious........Well?????
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Posted by Kelly (+2581) 8 years ago
Polls haven't closed, so nothing yet.
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Posted by howdy (+4946) 8 years ago
Polls close at 8PM I believe...
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Posted by Toni Rentschler (+1508) 8 years ago
Any news yet?
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Posted by Kelly (+2581) 8 years ago
Went down about 10 min ago. Nothing yet.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2734) 8 years ago
OK, this ain't funny anymore. Where are the procreatin' results?
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Posted by howdy (+4946) 8 years ago
pins and needles here as well...
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1907) 8 years ago
The ballots have been loaded on the ox team. The octogenarian vote counters have been assembled. Any minute now............
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Posted by howdy (+4946) 8 years ago
Hey watch it Bob II...You're getting kinda close to my age group LOL...
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Posted by howdy (+4946) 8 years ago
I cannot believe we are already getting actual entire state results in other states but not in Miles City Mayors race...WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW
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Posted by Vince (+222) 8 years ago
KING BUTCH
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Posted by howdy (+4946) 8 years ago
you are kidding me??? Butch won??? OMG... Say it ain't so...surely Miles City residents aren't that dumb...
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Posted by klew (+88) 8 years ago
Billings Gazette is reporting Butch 1122 and Joe 806
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Posted by klew (+88) 8 years ago
Gazette also has both Ronnings and Meidinger defeated.
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Posted by howdy (+4946) 8 years ago
Unbelieveable!!! Sadly, Miles City doesn't deserve the results that will happen to the town...Joe, you are deeply loved and did a great job for a long while...
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2734) 8 years ago
Is anyone really surprised? I'd like to express my sincere sympathy to the loser - the City of Miles City. God help ye!

A prayer also for Ms. Galbraith. A very difficult job just got immensely more difficult. Hopefully the people of Ward 4 will support her voice of common sense. Unless there are some upsets in the other races, she's likely going to be singing solo in the Council Chambers.
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Posted by Vince (+222) 8 years ago
Glad you can have our opinion, and the voting public can have thier's. Wonderful to have the opportunity to be able to vote for a candidate of one's choice.

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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2734) 8 years ago
Yep. Too bad those who didn't vote for him will have to suffer the consequences alongside of those who did. But that's the American Way, and as they say at weddings.... for better or worse.

Hopefully for all involved, from City employees to MC's taxpayers in general, those consequences will come in the relatively painless form of a lost opportunity for what might have been, and not in the form of more lawsuit settlements.

(Correction to above post: I meant to say Ward 1, but I'm pretty sure Susanne's actual constituency will be progressive-minded people throughout the City. Congratulations Susanne - and may God bless you every day throughout your term in office.)

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Posted by bigsky (+85) 8 years ago
now for obama...

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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14082) 8 years ago
Unbelievable. IMO, this is very sad news. I am stunned that less than 2000 people voted.

Looks like there is work to do holding the "old-boy" network accountable.

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Posted by Stacie Miller (+245) 8 years ago
Well I have to say I tried to vote 3 different times yesterday and was turned away all 3 times. I guess having proof of current address and on-site registration are not compatible. I was told that I had to have registered by 12:00 noon Monday to be able to vote yesterday. Whoever heard of such a thing? On site registration means being able to verify proof of person and address and THEN allowing the person to vote. That was my understanding anyway. I can understand wanting to have proof of current residence, and I made sure to bring that with me, but denying a person the right to vote because it's not "in the computer" is wrong. I believe things like this were used to deny others the right to vote a few short years ago in other parts of the country. This is absurd! And by the way, I would have voted for Mr. Grenz! Congratulations Butch!

Stacie Miller, Miles City city resident, and U.S. citizen
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4463) 8 years ago
I'm sure he'd appreciate your vote, sweatermeat.
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Posted by Mary B. (+204) 8 years ago
Just make sure all of you Butch supporters tune in here to get your "I told you so's" when your decisions cost the rest of us. Yes, you have the right to your vote, but yes, there should be consequences for your actions.

Unfortunately, "I told you so" will be about the only remedy the rest of us have. I just can't wait to see Butch fulfill all of his promises. I especially liked his advertisement by the underpass about city-county consolidation. Like he can get that baby done on his own. But, wait, doesn't that take the voters? Small little details.
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Posted by Kelly (+2581) 8 years ago
Mayor:
Butch Grenz 1122
Joe Whalen 806

Ward I:
Leroy Meidinger 109
Susan Galbraith 194

Ward II:
Jerry Partridge 430
Mary Elizabeth Irion 212

Ward IV:
Leif Ronning 187
Roxanna Brush 236

Arvid Ronning 157
Dwayne Andrews 258

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Posted by Mary B. (+204) 8 years ago
Boo on Partridge as well. Since when does falling asleep during council meetings mean effective ward leadership?
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Posted by Herbie (+118) 8 years ago
Mary B., it really sounds like non of your canidates won. This is what an election is all about. I sure hope you got out and voted for how your complaining.
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Posted by Dona Stebbins (+821) 8 years ago
They say that people get the government they deserve. I am sad for Miles City. Joe Whalen did an excellent job and really worked at being an effective mayor.

Now you have an incompetent blowhard at the helm. Good luck, Miles City - you are going to need it!
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Posted by Mary B. (+204) 8 years ago
Your ASSumptions would prove incorrect Herbie. My vote for councilperson of my ward was successful. I happen to be an active participant in the political process, so I know first hand what I am talking about. Does falling asleep at meetings seem like effective leadership to you? If I made this not personal and removed the name of the councilperson in question you would without a doubt say no, that doesn't seem like effective leadership. How can anyone say otherwise? But, throw in the name, and all the sudden people get defensive. Poor leadership is poor leadership, regardless of the name behind it.

To "This is what an election is all about," did you vote for McCain? If so, were you happy the day after the election with the result? Being upset at the result is just as much a part of the process as the vote, as long as you vote, which I did. To say you have to shut up and accept it because it didn't go your way is absurd. If that was the case, I shouldn't hear a single Nobama, Obamacare comment anywhere. Absurd. I will not shut up because like I said earlier the only recourse of those who voted for Joe is to shine the light on Butch for his tenure. He's a big boy. He should be able to handle it if everything he does is above board. Also, the people who voted for him need to be held accountable as well. There are consequences for all actions.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2734) 8 years ago
Last night's election was like watching the movie Camelot and halfway through, switching to Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail.
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Posted by Sharlene (+1201) 8 years ago
I am very dissappointed in the results in the outcome of mayor. I wasn't really impressed with either candidate. It wasn't a personal thing.

It made it hard when my oldest who is learning about the political process asks questions as to why you vote for one over the other. What do you say to today's younger generation when they ask those questions? She was with me when I went to vote last night. I have to say the gals there were awesome. They explained to her the process of voting. Thank you ladies in Ward 4.

It was very sad when I was in an establishment of one of the candidates to have lunch when the owner who was sitting in the table across from mine asked ME to move my table back away from the stairs so that my friend who was having lunch with me didn't fall off. WTH. Why should I do it. Seems to me that he should have done it if he saw it first. Oh well. Didn't care for either candidate but I had to vote for one.

As for Roxanna and Dwayne, congratulations to you both. About time we had a female on the council.
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Posted by CK (+854) 8 years ago
Interesting how the people truly deserve what they get when they vote. You just had a very effective mayor who ran things with some common sense. Quit throwing out the baby with the bath water voters. Use your head and do some research.
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Posted by Rafe Danger Stewart (+241) 8 years ago
It was very sad when I was in an establishment of one of the candidates to have lunch when the owner who was sitting in the table across from mine asked ME to move my table back away from the stairs so that my friend who was having lunch with me didn't fall off. WTH. Why should I do it. Seems to me that he should have done it if he saw it first. Oh well. Didn't care for either candidate but I had to vote for one.


This seems to be a common problem in Miles City. People support candidates based on redundant personal issues, rather than qualifications. If your reason for supporting, or not supporting someone is because of the way you were treated in a restaurant, you shouldn't be voting. It's damaging to the system. I would be perfectly happy with last night's results if someone could actually articulate why they voted for Butch over Joe. I would equally be unhappy if Joe won based on votes from people like this. It's a shame to see emotion prevail over logic.
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Posted by Kelly (+2581) 8 years ago
About time we had a female on the council.


Now we'll have two!
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Posted by Kristi (+21) 8 years ago
I am glad Butch won. "I told you so's" go both ways, so let's not be snotty. We all have to work together to make our community great.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4463) 8 years ago
Socially conscious = Socialist (and a bunch of other scary words)

That's why Joe lost.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14082) 8 years ago
I am glad Butch won. "I told you so's" go both ways, so let's not be snotty. We all have to work together to make our community great.


It is very difficult to rise to new heights and soar with the eagles when you are being lead by a group of headless turkeys.
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Posted by howdy (+4946) 8 years ago
If this election isn't a perfect example of the "dumbing down of America", I don't know what is.....

http://www.rense.com/general75/court.htm

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Posted by Sharlene (+1201) 8 years ago
Oh my! LOL
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Posted by Bridgier (+8278) 8 years ago
I've still to see a convincing argument made for Butch on this website. Lots of personal testimony regarding what a great guy he is, and how he is Miles City down to his bones and so on... but nothing particularly substantial on anything policy related.

Good luck.
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Posted by Tucker Bolton (+3083) 8 years ago
Last night's election was like watching the movie Camelot and halfway through, switching to Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail.

Lets not go to Miles City after all. It is a silly place.

Two thousand people, really?....REALLY? That's all that voted? You bunch of apathetic, uninformed, twits. Especially you young people. You should be ashamed. BTW, yes, that was name calling. Not because my candidate lost but because only two fricken' thousand people cared enough to go to the poles.

Progress, dedication, intelligence and hard work verses aw shucks, he's a good old boy and only two thousand people voted. I am so disappointed. I really wish that I'm not more surprised.
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Posted by CRK (+106) 8 years ago
Sharlene, ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
I witnessed that conversation and I am shocked you are criticizing his concern. You were standing there next to the chair so why wouldn't you help your friend out and move it. I would suggest you eat elsewhere.
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9661) 8 years ago
It wasn't my election, so I don't really have much to say. Other than from afar Joe was a good mayor in a thankless position and now you folks are going to be stuck with the assclown back in control who he replaced.

That's a whole bunch of you shoulda, woulda, coulda - but no matter the end-result, it's a damn shame that so few actually showed up to vote. You would have thought a few more someones, a few more anyones might have cared a little bit more, but I guess it is what it is.

On the bright side, I'm sure Mayor Grenz will end up driving lots of new traffic to MilesCity.com. Thanks in advance Butch.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6016) 8 years ago
+1 for Tucker.

+1 for Larry.

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Posted by Josh Rath (+2308) 8 years ago
I agree with Larry.

Also, I give him a week of being in office before the suit is off and the greasy apron is on at work.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5040) 8 years ago
Only in ........
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Posted by howdy (+4946) 8 years ago
how many registered voters in Miles City?? Anyone know??
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Posted by Shea (+4) 8 years ago
Butch winning the election is not entirely bad news. Miles City will now reclaim its former title of "most laughed at city in Montana".
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9661) 8 years ago
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Posted by Sunny (+379) 8 years ago
To CRK:
The proprietor should have moved the table and chair. It is called customer service and assurance that his liability insurance doesn't receive a claim.

To the populace:
Why did you choose to make the same mistake twice?!!

The attitude shown in this election explains why Miles City still doesn't have a swimming pool. Better start thinking ahead! Williston has had several years to plan, prepare, initiate, and develop to meet its growing needs. They weren't ready. Miles City won't have problems as big as Williston's, but you had better have some vision and get ready.
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Posted by ocne (+480) 8 years ago
I agree with the folks who are disappointed that only 2000 people showed up to vote. That's pretty sad. Come on people.

However, maybe someone can clear something up for me: in talking with coworkers, there were at least two who would have loved to have been able to vote but due to where their residences are, couldn't. One lives in the vicinity of Bender Park (closer to downtown than the park itself) and the other in the addition behind Walmart (within just a few blocks of Walmart). Both claim that those areas are considered to be "county" and not in city limits, so they were ineligible to vote.
Has the city limits of MC not been evauluated in recent years or how were they established? Seems to me that neither location is truly that far from "city" that they're out of city limits. I can see where someone on Airport Hill or perhaps even in the Aye Addition may be considered out of city limits, but the previously mentioned locations puzzle me. Obviously in the last 50, or even 25 years, the actual city of Miles City has expanded. Perhaps the definition of MC's "city limits" should have been expanded to follow suit.

I wonder how many people were excluded from voting because of these circumstances...?
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Posted by MRH (+1419) 8 years ago
Please keep in mind that some of us would rather live out of the City limits and not be able to vote.
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Posted by bigsky (+85) 8 years ago
way to go butch...good job...

now to the rest,,do you think that he will try to do things to create a tea party? what about an occupy wall street mob?? do you think that he will be sued by nine or ten of the fifty seven states in the country? do you think that he will hire someone that will sell guns to drug lords and have u.s. citizens killed? do you think that the people in city hall would have paid all their taxes? compared to what obama has done to the country, why do you care what butch does...it sure couldnt be any worse.

congrats first lady gloria, love all the grenzes........


BRIDGIER....i will tell you why butch is the right guy for the job.

because the only reason he ran is because he felt that his tax dollars werent being used properly...and aparantly the majority of the voters felt the same way...so once again i say to you..

SOMETIMES I SMILE IN SIDE...at you bridgier and amorette and bob l and number 2.........
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Posted by Wendy Branum (+48) 8 years ago
If he was so concerned about his tax dollars being spent wisely, maybe he should pay them first.
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Posted by Frank Hardy (+1425) 8 years ago
The right to vote also includes the right to not vote. There could be many reasons for this including:
apathy, not being concerned with who wins,
dissatisfaction, not liking either candidate,
satisfaction, liking either candidate,
ignorance, either to the election itself, polling places, the issues, etc.

It really just makes your vote count that much more.

FH
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1673) 8 years ago
If he was so concerned about his tax dollars being spent wisely, maybe he should pay them first.


Love ya, Wendy.
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Posted by ringin10 (+71) 8 years ago
$300k in settlements is wisely spent?
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Posted by Pati Kuehl (+14) 8 years ago
Congratulations to Miles City! Way to go Butch !
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Posted by Kacey (+3162) 8 years ago
Whalen is apparently going to do his best while still in office. He already is messing with the animal rescue variance that was already approved overwhelmingly!
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9661) 8 years ago
@Kacey. And exactly how is that actually occurring. Educate me.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1673) 8 years ago
Does it not bother you at all, Kacey, that the recommendation of the police department was against the variance? You act like this is a one-man vendetta.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6016) 8 years ago
bigsky (lowercase): Not that this question has a thing to do with anything relevant to this thread, but I have to ask:

What's the average yearly taxable income of a professional troll, anyway?
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+9778) 8 years ago
Kacey is over in the dog variance thread throwing accusations of bribery and professional malfeasance around like water. She doesn't like the vets at East Main and has decided to extend that hatred to anyone in the city who deals with pets. If this were a big city, the lawyers would be on her like white on rice.

Considering that she no longer lives in Miles City, she is obsessively concerned with our pet issues.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+388) 8 years ago
It's too bad no one went the Monty Brewster route and ran under the party of "none of the above" for Mayor. It might have been a landslide vote! If I still lived around MC, they would have had my vote hands down.

Why only 2,000 voters turned out you ask? Why vote on the lesser of two evils? Someday when we're done voting republican/democrat, or white/black, or man/woman, and instead vote for the common sense middle of the road person not tied to any one political direction, then and only then will I ever cast MY vote. Word on the street is that's MY rights.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2734) 8 years ago
To Ocne - the boundaries of the city limits have very little to do with what makes sense politically and a whole lot with how utilities and public services are provided and paid for -- and who wants to pay for them and who doesn't. In other words, a lot of Miles City residents aren't citizens of Miles City - and that saves them money in some ways and it costs them dearly in others. Most folks who live in the areas you describe have no idea that they aren't actually in the City because they bought their properties long after the decisions were made. And annexing those parts into the City is very complicated financially and raises all sorts of equity issues... and so it doesn't get done.

As for the election, those Miles Citians who could vote and chose to do so have spoken. Miles City had a clear choice: Move ahead or slide back. Slide back won.

It will be interesting to watch and see how that works out.

Edit to Chris G: Miles City Council races are non-partisan. The candidates don't designate by any party, so in a way they are all "none of the above." You're going to have to find another flag to hoist on your petard, cuz that one won't fly in MC.

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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+13661) 8 years ago
You people of Miles City are idiots.

I am certainly glad I helped my mother move out of your backwards deadwater burg last month. Now I have even less reasons ever to come back for a visit.

I will look forward to the ascendency of Glendive in the near future, and their strong super-albino children beating you all at various and sundry sporting events.

I am the 1%. You are the 99%. Deal with it.
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Posted by bigsky (+85) 8 years ago
if we vote butch in for president will you move out of the country?
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Posted by bigsky (+85) 8 years ago
miles city is better off without police chief powers on the pay roll.
what ever butch cost the city in law suits he saved on her salary.

she was an abusive power hungry, mean spirited woman that had issues with men it seemed. why did she fire hagamiester? because he couldnt pass the fitness test? well neither could she. and hagamiester was a good cop. he knew that the people of miles were his neighbors and friends...and treated them with respect and even in hand cuffs gave them the dignity they deserved. if it cost miles city a million dollars to get rid of powers it would have been worth it...

in my opinion butch made a great sacrifice and did what ever it took to get rid of a bad cop...

i looked at some of the old posts and it seems that many of you did not like her either...
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+388) 8 years ago
Thankyou but I'm well aware of the political platforms behind local elections. THAT part of my post would fall under the voting for the lesser of two evils. Not Repub's vs. Demo's. I chose not to use names for examples of this part of my thread, as it seems whenever the dreaded "B" word or "O" word is used, the thread gets hijacked by those who will remain nameless. I really could care less for either of them and don't need to be informed of their highlights/lowlights. All of thar <-------- is < Tebow. Just my opinion
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Posted by Bridgier (+8278) 8 years ago
bigsky's kind of like rick, only not nearly so adept with the red herrings and the strawmen. Keep trying there buddy! It's not like they're hiring you for your brains on the pipeline, so you should have plenty of time to practice.
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Posted by bigsky (+85) 8 years ago
hey bridgier, for as dumb as i am, as uneducated as i am,,,how is it that no matter what the economy is doing,,,i maintain my income level? how is it that i dont have time to join an occupy wall street mob? how is it that all these educated people in this country cant find a job,,,yet i do well...how is that?

maybe i am not as dumb as you think...

articulate does not equal intelligent.

common sense and desire will take you alot further than a degree in this world.

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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9661) 8 years ago
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9661) 8 years ago
You know what. Done with it. Bye.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4463) 8 years ago
I love Larry like a child.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6167) 8 years ago
NOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Don't ban bigsky. He's arrogant and an asshat but quite entertaining.
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Posted by Herbie (+118) 8 years ago
This is better than Prime Time TV. Wow, what idiots!
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Posted by redmondroughneck (+48) 8 years ago
As a former resident of Miles City, I want to thank the people for electing Butch as the new mayor. Reading the Miles City Star on-line has been really boring since Butch left office several years ago. Now I will have something to look forward to each time I go on-line to read the Star and see what Butch has done next. You might consider raising your taxes to cover the lawsuits that will be coming down the road. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Posted by Kelly (+2581) 8 years ago
hey bridgier, for as dumb as i am, as uneducated as i am,,,how is it that no matter what the economy is doing,,,i maintain my income level?


My guess would be that you are a prostitute or drug dealer.

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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2734) 8 years ago
To "Redmond" and "Kelly" - thank you for getting my day started with some big ol' belly laughs! +1s to you both!
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