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Posted by howdy (+4945) 10 years ago
Does this mean he goes from Penn State to the State Pen??? Certainly hope so and they throw away the key...

http://www.ktvq.com/news/...innocence/
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Posted by LM (+23) 10 years ago
I agree!
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Posted by mule train (+1057) 10 years ago
Wow...I just heard about this and I want to puke. Penn State will never recover. What a horrible scandal. What a horrible group of people. These people are a reflection of the school, the program, everything. Joe Pat needs to go. The entire coaching staff...everyone associated with the old regime need to go. Just sickening.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14969) 10 years ago
Now if some one will do something about a man named Michael Huntington that was principal at Sacred Heart Grade School that did something similar to this to altar boys. The people who do this kind of crap to kids have no idea how much they screw up the kids life. I am tired of living with this information/experience.

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (11/8/2011)]
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4462) 10 years ago
He in hell yet?
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Posted by Bridgier (+9201) 10 years ago
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Posted by Jeff Denton (+753) 10 years ago
I don't yet understand how a college football coach has access to ten year olds.
This is why we have such strict regulations regarding who can be a coach, and the process of becoming certified.
You gotta be so careful who you let near your kid nowadays. Seems like there's a new story every week about the activities of a teacher, or scout leader, or clergyman, or coach.
But this isn't anything new, is it? Maybe just more common. I wonder why.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1672) 10 years ago
This isn't any more common than it used to be. It was just too shameful to speak of in the past. The stigma is slowly (and I mean slowly) disappearing.
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Posted by Jeff Denton (+753) 10 years ago
I guess. And I found the answer to my first question, lo and behold. It was in the article given.
Nice way to help troubled kids.
Burn in hell indeed!
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2733) 10 years ago
The events in State College,PA are disgusting. What's terrifying is that things like that are happening in every community across the country (world). It's the great invisible plague.

Only it isn't invisible at all. I worked in social services for three years in Grand Junction, CO - which at the time (1980-83) had a population of 60,000 people. It was amazing how prevalent sexual abuse was even then, when public awareness was much lower than today. And in almost every case, we'd hear AFTER the fact from a neighbor or aunt or uncle or teacher or someone... that they "knew something was wrong" but either
1) they didn't know what to do about it
Or
2)they just weren't sure enough to say anything.

Well, here's what to do. Call 9-1-1.

and if you aren't sure, call anyway. It isn't your job to confirm the abuse. It is everyone's responsibility to report what may be abuse. Err on the side of the helpless child.

I understand the reluctance to report someone who may be innocent. The same media that is hanging the Penn State pedophile and the men who failed their moral duty to report him is the same media that so often acts as judge, jury and executioner of people who are later found to be innocent. Nobody wants to ruin an innocent person's life.

But here's the reality. Child abuse gets reported every day. Very very few investigations ever become public. There are professionals who are very skilled at discerning whether a child is being abused or has other mental or emotional problems that also may need treatment. And they do it very discreetly.

The only time a child protection investigation will become public is if charges are filed against the alleged perpetrator. And if there is enough evidence to file charges, then who in their right mind is going to question the motives of the person who reported the abuse. On the other hand, look at what has happened to those who failed to report the abuse. Lost jobs. Lost reputations. And the prospect of lost freedom.

In short, the downside to reporting a suspicion is very shallow. The upside is huge, especially for the health and well-being of the truly innocent child.

Look at it this way: If the big shots at Penn State had been thinking straight and done the right thing, they'd still have their jobs today and several children would have been spared abuse at the hands of someone they looked up to and trusted. That's the important lesson that Penn State is teaching the world today.

[This message has been edited by Steve Craddock (11/9/2011)]
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Posted by Jeff Denton (+753) 10 years ago
Where I live we're having a controversy over how to handle a case of teenage sexual assault/bullying. Because it was a sports team and a bus trip and involved star players it had to be minimized and poo-pooed as typical behavior, after all "boys will be boys." The victims don't agree and neither do I based upon what little information is made public.
Well some of us might think it reminds of something that happened on the Cowboys bus years ago. It makes me wish that these things were taken a little more seriously, enough to at least report immediately and then investigate thoroughly. From there analyze it and work on preventing it from happening again. Sweeping it under the rug and forgetting it doesn't help much, does it? Make it a big hairy deal worldwide please.
Myself, I think it all boils down to good parenting. Good parents will discuss this with their kids. I'm not leaving it up to any school system to cover what kind of behavior is beyond acceptable. Whatever makes a perp want to do this has to be figured out. When the perps ARE kids I really worry.
Good job, Penn State administration. Fire everybody who failed to protect those kids and future victims worldwide.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11792) 10 years ago
http://www.mail.com/sport...subhero1-0

Let me get this straight. People are upset because a child molester was allowed to continue molesting children.

No, wait. People are upset because the repeated molestations and rapes of CHILDREN as young as 10 YEARS OLD interfered with their football games.

This is why I think sports fanaticism is a bad thing. Anytime a human being thinks a game is more important than the assault of a child, that human being needs to do some more thinking.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3713) 10 years ago
They're teenagers Amorette. They're supposed to be idiots. The problem is not them, it's the grownups who put their school's reputation and their own ego (in the case of the coach) above the well being of children.

[This message has been edited by Levi Forman (11/11/2011)]
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11792) 10 years ago
These are college students. Which makes it ever more worrisome.

I wonder if the rapist had been attacking a ten-year-old girl, would the response have been different? Did teh gay scare the jocks more than anything else?
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Posted by Steve Allison (+982) 10 years ago
My opinion on this is everyone, from the first witness to all the school officials who were told, are guilty of being an accessory after the fact that crime and before the fact on all the rapes he committed after and need to do some prison time as such. Not near as much time as the one committing the crimes but some. This is the only way other officials in the same positions will start thinking people and the law are more important then a game.
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Posted by Kelly (+2713) 10 years ago
Heard something about Sandusky (sp?) actually pimping out the little boys to donors.
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Posted by Jeff Denton (+753) 10 years ago
Apparently what has to start first is make sure kids know they must speak up. Sandusky's victims were afraid to tell.
This is getting worse by the minute.
The case in Kalispell isn't getting any better. Felony sexual assault has been watered down to misdemeanor assault.
Would you have a problem with that if your kid was the victim? I would.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11792) 10 years ago
Boys being boys. Jocks getting special privileges. Sad. Especially for the victims.
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Posted by Kelly (+2713) 10 years ago
Moody's now says that they may downgrade Penn State from Aa1.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4462) 10 years ago
I hate to get off topic, but I know the story Jeff is talking about and I'd like to hear what he thinks probably happened. I had my ideas of what must have happened, but that was all based on news reports and my wild idea of the sort of thing that gets somebody a felony harassment charge. If you hear the truth you'll about puke at the thought of the suggestion of labeling a boy being a boy a sex offender. The media is no friend to common sense.
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Posted by Cory Cutting (+1274) 10 years ago
If he's you are referring to that thing in Kalispell, the paper there printed the whole story and posted the court documents on line. It was, to say the least, very disturbing. I cannot believe that all happened on a bus with adults sitting right there. Something is not computing on that whole thing.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4462) 10 years ago
You couldn't have possibly read that stuff and considered it sexual assault instead of hazing. Yeah, they kids are obviously stupid and deserve punishment, but it's not in the same universe as a sex crime. The adults on the bus deserve worse than the kids.
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Posted by Jeff Denton (+753) 10 years ago
I don't want to put into words what I think happened. It angers me to have to go that far! And I'm just disgusted that people, whether they be famous football coaches or freshman football players, even priests or day care workers, would get the notion in their heads that it would be fun, or funny, or okay, or satisfying or whatever, to do anything (within this topic) like that to a little kid, or a fellow team mate, or anybody. What is wrong with a person who would do that? How do you screen them out of the program or prevent them from getting in?
From there we worry about the victim. That's a whole 'nuther ball game. What do they get out of it? They could be scarred for life. Why did Billy Joe jump off the Tallahatchie bridge, anyway?
The bus rides are crazy, Buck. That's problem number one. There has to be some serious discipline, law and order on the bus. Good luck, huh. All I know is our high school swim team is not gonna like my bus policy this year. Gotta crack down. We had some trouble last year, not gonna go there this season. It's incredible how sneaky the kids are. You can't trust even the ones you just KNOW are such nice, honest kids.
It's good to have a serious discussion now and then. You people can do that, and put some level-headedness into such an issue. Thanks. On the other hand, where's Aaron? LOL

[This message has been edited by Jeff Denton (11/12/2011)]
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2733) 10 years ago

Why did Billy Joe jump off the Tallahatchie bridge, anyway


This is just a guess, but.... wait for it




To get to "the other side."

[This message has been edited by Steve Craddock (11/12/2011)]
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Posted by Kelly (+2713) 10 years ago
The judge let's him walk on $100,000.00 unsecured bond. Turns out she has volunteered for Sandusky's charity.


Sandusky is being interviewed by Bob Costas tonight on Rock Center.

[This message has been edited by Kelly (11/14/2011)]
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11792) 10 years ago
Can you say conflict of interest? And do we really need accused pedophiles defending themselves on TV? Ugh.

I feel sorry for the other folks at Penn State, the students, staff and faculty, who are as appalled as the rest of the world. I wouldn't want to admit I had any connection to pedophile central if I were them.
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Posted by Jeff Denton (+753) 10 years ago
Check out the buzz in Great Falls now. Apparently some kid on the Bison football team thought it would be a good idea to stick his thumb up an underclassman's butt, and the complaint was ignored. Bad news.
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