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Posted by Kelly (+2736) 10 years ago
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/.../#44738360

[This message has been edited by Kelly (10/2/2011)]
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1664) 10 years ago
Christian Evangelical Sharia.....interesting.

Stand up, Mr. Romney.

Ordered the book now, Kelly. Thank you for the clip.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15076) 10 years ago
Wow, am I in an echo chamber??

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Thanks for sharing the link, Kelly.

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (10/2/2011)]
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 10 years ago
Wow, how well put in that interview!!! that's IMO, the most accurate description of todays republican party I have ever heard...thanks for the link!!
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15076) 10 years ago
I finished reading this book last night. I thought this quote was really well stated:

It strikes me that our American society, from kindergarten through old age, while talking about how great families are (especially when selling worried young mothers and fathers "parenting" products that they don't need) might as well have been designed to destroy family happiness. That's because both the religious fundamentalist and the higher-educationworshipping consumer/choice models of existence and everything that goes with both "dogmas" fly in the face of the reality of what we fundamentally are: tribal, communal, and family-seeking animals craving Unconditional Love and Continuity and Creativity.

We human animals seek out meaning that transcends the sum of our physical parts. I know only one thing: that any worldview-be it religious or secular-that doesn't start and end with the recognition of Paradox will become a tyranny.

Schaeffer, Frank (2011-05-31). Sex, Mom, and God: How the Bible's Strange Take on Sex Led to Crazy Politics--and How I Learned to Love Women (and Jesus) Anyway (pp. 278-279). Da Capo Press. Kindle Edition.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 10 years ago
I clicked the link, but then when the page loaded I realized I was probably going to have to hear Rachel Maddow's voice, so I closed it real quick before it was too late.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4454) 10 years ago
And you still didn't realize you're the only one that thinks that poop is funny.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 10 years ago
I know, I know Buck. Fox is faux, but Maddow is gospel...

I get it. Thankfully you don't really HAVE to watch either.
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Posted by Jan Cornutt (+269) 10 years ago
Frank is a faux. He doesn't have a clue about what the republican party is all about. As with some others, (I won't mention any names), the republican party doesn't fit into what he believes, therefore they (we) are all whacko's according to him. What Frank doesn't realize is the U.S. has always supported religion. It has never endorsed one church denomination (belief) over another. (separation of Church and State) The United States of America has always recognized there is a God and from that aspect it is a religious country. FYI the word religion does not appear in the Bible, the word Church does......korkyII
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15076) 10 years ago
Frank is a faux. He doesn't have a clue about what the republican party is all about. As with some others, (I won't mention any names), the republican party doesn't fit into what he believes, therefore they (we) are all whacko's according to him. What Frank doesn't realize is the U.S. has always supported religion. It has never endorsed one church denomination (belief) over another. (separation of Church and State) The United States of America has always recognized there is a God and from that aspect it is a religious country. FYI the word religion does not appear in the Bible, the word Church does......korkyII


Actually, unlike you, he does know what he is talking about. He helped create much of the mess that is the republican party right now. I'd encourage your own independent study of the matter. Start with his book "Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back".
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Posted by Kelly (+2736) 10 years ago
Thanks Richard. You saved me some time.
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Posted by Jan Cornutt (+269) 10 years ago
I have done my own study . It appears you don't much about the republican party of which I have been a lifelong member. Anyone can put their own definition on anything which is exactly what you have done with the republican party. .....korkyII
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Posted by David Schott (+17439) 10 years ago
Korky wrote:
"It appears you don't much about the republican party of which I have been a lifelong member."

You joined the Republican Party the day you were born? Wow the GOP recruits them young.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15076) 10 years ago
I have done my own study . It appears you don't much about the republican party of which I have been a lifelong member. Anyone can put their own definition on anything which is exactly what you have done with the republican party. .....korkyII


REALLY? 100,000 sperm and you were the fastest??

I was born and raised republican. I remember being 4-5 years old sitting in the hallway in the basement of the courthouse in while my dad and mom attended republican central committee meetings. I remember attending fly-ins for Gov. Tim Babcock. I remember attending campaign functions for Ron Marlanee, etc. I remember wearing the Barry Goldwater shirt my mom made for my dad, myself, and my brother and the dresses she made for herself and my sisters. I have voted mostly R straight party tickets since I was 18 years old or the last 32 years. I am still registered as a R in Campbell County, WY (although that is probably going to change this coming Tues morning).

I am very certain that I know plenty about the republican party. The R-party has left people like me behind. They have become a party that wants to protect this interests of their corporate donors. They have little compassion for people. The R party has been over-run by the proponents of "therapeutic decisionism" and all of the associated wedge issues such as abortion, who can have sex with whom, death penalty issues, proponents of the military industrial complex and bombing innocent people living in mud huts in beduin countries. Thirty years ago it was not this way. We are in the current mess because the R's under the "leadership" of GW Bush systematically dismantled many of the protections put in place to safeguard our financial system. The R-party went on hugh domestic spending sprees earlier in this decade for which we are now paying the price.

As a "life-long member" of the R-party, you have undoubtable heard the "give a man a fish you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime" mantra. I say that such thinking is a false choice. It shouldn't be either or, it should be both and. If someone is hungry it is the responsibly of "we the people" (i.e. the government) to feed that person today AND train him to care for himself tomorrow. The R-party wants no part of such situations; they don't want to feed people today and they purpose cutting funding for training people to care for themselves tomorrow. They don't want to spend any money on keeping the water clean so our grandkids can fish in that spot. And they will spend that money on some new weapon they need to institute their version of christian shariaism, while hypocritically keeping the nation poor and broke to wage war against "terrorists" and other religions they think are a threat. They are too stupid, selfish and greedy to look in the mirror and consider for just 30 seconds who the real terrorists might be.

You claim you have "done your own study". Well, education is a life-long process. We are never truly "done". If you have settled on the R-party as a life choice, you've been duped and are unaware. I am convinced that the likes of Ike, Barry Goldwater, and Teddy Roosevelt would be very appalled at the current state of affairs in the R-party. You really need to go learn the real history of the R-party and figure out how they became what they are today. The beginning of that study is to learn how Frank Scheaffer and his father worked with Jack Kemp and Bob Dole to foist the divisive issue of abortion on us for the purposes of building a collation to win elections.

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (10/8/2011)]
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 10 years ago
Barry Goldwater actually hated the "religious right"...
http://churchvstate.org/a...water.html
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Posted by Jan Cornutt (+269) 10 years ago
It appears that all of you just want to argue, and you will argue about anything. You have the right to believe the way you want. I also have the right to believe the way I want. When you attack people on here the way you do YOU are just showing your super intelligence. It seems if people don't agree with your way then they are idiots and morons (amongst other things). So you can go sit in a corner and argue with yourself because you are not accomplising anything that is going to make a difference in the end anyway.....korkyII
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15076) 10 years ago
What I am attacking is your assertion that I don't understand the R-party. I understand it and simply explained to you why I am moving on. You are correct that you are free to believe in whatever you desire. I will point out that you were the one that started this conversation by stating that Mr. Schaeffer doesn't know what he is talking about. That is simply not factual.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1664) 10 years ago
When you attack people on here the way you do YOU are just showing your super intelligence. It seems if people don't agree with your way then they are idiots and morons (amongst other things).


from the man who stated

It appears you don't much about the republican party of which I have been a lifelong member.


Korky, don't you think you come off a bit arrogant yourself with that second quote?
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 10 years ago
Here's the problem with your thinking, Richard. Following Roe V Wade, abortion was GUARANTEED to become a federal political issue.

Sure, you can find a scapegoat or three and try to blame them for manufacturing opposition. But that opposition was already there. The people you blame are really only representatives of that opposition.

The Supreme branch of the federal government stepped in and, overnight, legalized something that was illegal in the vast majority of states.

Sure you'll find various authors willing to cash paychecks feeding you conspiracy theories. But the fact that there would be widespread opposition to Roe V Wade was a no-brainer. Abortion was illegal in all those states for a reason.
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Posted by Jan Cornutt (+269) 10 years ago
Denise, I did not attack anyone by saying I was a life long republican. That just proves my point that all most of you are here for is to argue. If you want to call me arrogant thats fine I'll take that as a compliment.......korkyII
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1664) 10 years ago
Korky, please reread your statement. Your statement was not limited to simply being a lifelong Republican. The very clear implication is that you believe your knowledge of the Republican party to be superior to Richard's.

I fail to see how this proves or disproves any point. I am not here simply to argue with you, but to point out that you feel you are under attack, yet it is a two-way street. You have fired plenty of your own critical shots in the process. Frank Schaeffer "doesn't have a clue about what the republican party is all about", Richard "[doesn't know] much about the republican party", yet somehow you are an authority.

If you do not appreciate condescension by others, do not behave condescendingly.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 10 years ago
First insulting/condescending line of the thread...

Actually, unlike you, he does know what he is talking about.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1664) 10 years ago
Actually, no, that followed "He [Frank] doesn't have a clue about what the republican party is all about."

But I suppose that is irrelevant given Korky's clear mastery of all things Republican. I mean, really, it can't be considered condescending when it's true, right?

Thanks for the input though.

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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 10 years ago
Questioning the legitmacy of a source isn't the same as questioning the intelligence of the person sitting across the table.

Or should people be insulted every time they see the word faux?
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4454) 10 years ago
Every time you post, the collective intelligence of the world is insulted.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 10 years ago
Thanks coach. How 'bout those Rangers, huh?
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4454) 10 years ago
New ownership and a pitching staff will do that. Remember that maverick who used to own the Rangers and left them in a world of hurt? Think it's any coincidence?
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 10 years ago
Yeah yeah. Tell it to the Yanks. And the Dbacks.

Poor O's haven't figured it out yet. I'm surprised every team in the league doesn't make you 'manager for a day' each year and then finish it off with a big tribal firing ceremony to see if any of the lucky firebuck juju rubs off.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4454) 10 years ago
It is good luck to fire Buck. And the D-Backs got a pitching staff, but you've never seemed to understand sports.

[This message has been edited by Buck Showalter (10/9/2011)]
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 10 years ago
Makes sense.

"Hooo Boy. Guess that idea to hire Buck didn't work out. Guess there's no choice now but to go out and try to find some talent."

but you've never seemed to understand sports.


Well I will admit your expert KO analysis on the Broncos thread was pretty tough to compete with. /sarc
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4454) 10 years ago
You're procreateing retarded. Fortunately everyone has taken notice and your bullpoop goes 80% unacknowledged. (douchy, isn't it?)

And please, no one be offended by the term "procreateing retarded." I don't apply it to those with handicaps, it is specifically for Rick.

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