Something Has Started......
Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
Something Has Started": Michael Moore on the Occupy Wall St. Protests That Could Spark a Movement

http://www.democracynow.o...l_moore_on

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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 10 years ago
The whole 99% vs 1% thing is nothing more than just another sad conspiracy theory.

Even the poorest person posting on this board is insanely wealthy by world standards. And yet still we play the victim.

Because if there's someone poorer elsewhere, we should just shut up and accept our lot.

Please don't take this the wrong way rick, but that's pretty procreating stupid. I'm going to suggest you eat a bag of salted dicks now, it would distress me to no end if you should choke, so I hope you remember to chew before swallowing.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 10 years ago
all of the republicans in the senate and two democrats (Testor was one of them) just voted no on the jobs bill http://www.addictinginfo....jobs-bill/
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 10 years ago
Oh, they didn't vote no on the jobs bill... and it wasn't even a cloture vote to end debate... it was a vote to end debate upon whether or not to begin debate upon the jobs bill.

This is why our nation is ungovernable, and, credit where credit is due, reinforces Levi's contention that voting R or D is for suckers, as real Tester voted the same as a hypothetical Rehburg or Burns. I don't know how it's possible to hold red state D's accountable in this situation, where the best you can say is that he'll vote the way you want slightly more often then the other guy.

Grumble grumble.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 10 years ago
Sorry Bridgier, I thought it was and obviously was the victim of bad information...I had already emailed Testor begging him to vote yes on the bill, as it is better than nothing...thanks for the correction...
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 10 years ago
Well, that's what I'm getting at - the bill is dead, so it was essentially a no vote, but it wasn't even brought up for debate.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 10 years ago
so sad, as so many folks were holding out hope for a job because of it...:-(
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
?48 Republicans voted against even DEBATING the Jobs Bill. Share this if you remember when the GOP ran their campaigns on how much they'd do to restore jobs! Any senator who voted no should have to look you in the eye and tell you what exactly they're opposed to.

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Posted by howdy (+4943) 10 years ago
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
TRUTH-It's the new Hate Speech.

During times of universal deceipt
telling the truth
becomes a revolutionary act.

-George Orwell

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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
Funny. All you need to do to pass a bill nowadays is put the word "Jobs" on it somewhere.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 10 years ago
Thanks Brian for finding this quote:

"G.E. doesn't pay any taxes and we are asking college kids to take on even more debt to get an education, and asking seniors to get by on less. These aren't just economic questions. These are moral questions." - Elizabeth Warren
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
Because if there's someone poorer elsewhere, we should just shut up and accept our lot.


vs

As long as there's someone richer somewhere, we'll put guns to their heads until we get ours.

Straw on Straw

But seriously, if you look around your neighborhood and find that everyone you know is in the top 10% of the world in terms of income, one might start to think to themselves "Wow, this system really works. Am I lucky or what."

Others, however, while already near the top, say "I'm gonna tear down the 1% until I'm in the 1% too!" Unfortunately, without the system we've been blessed with, none of us would likely be near the top in the first place. We destroy our system at our own peril.

Perspective
http://www.globalrichlist.com/

None of this is to say there's nothing that shouldn't be adjusted or fixed. People who can't find decent work have every reason to be frustrated. But at the end of the day if the end goal of your 'fixing' is income equality, you're doing far more harm than good.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 10 years ago
This is why our nation is ungovernable, and, credit where credit is due, reinforces Levi's contention that voting R or D is for suckers,


I might have expected this to have a positive feeling to it but instead hearing someone else say it makes me feel a little sick.

Looking like OWS is going to get co-opted by the unions and by extension the Democratic party. Next thing you know the story will be that these protests are about Obama's jobs bill.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 10 years ago
these protests are about everything wrong with the middle class destruction process...so many things involved, you can't just narrow it down to the jobs bill...

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Posted by Georgina Phipps (+20) 10 years ago
You are wrong they are a bunch of socialist college kids and trustfund kids that have never had to work for a liveing and do not want to start. Ben Phipps
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
LARAMIE - Former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev offered both sympathy and caution to the protest movement against poverty, corporate greed and injustice that has sprung up in the United States and elsewhere.

"Had I been there, at Wall Street, I would be with them," Gorbachev said in a speech to about 6,000 people at the University of Wyoming on Friday. "And let me tell you that we share the same message of protest in Russia as well."

Still, the Nobel Peace Prize winner warned against extremists who incite violence.
"Let us not allow that protest to be exploited by extremist elements," Gorbachev said. He did not elaborate.

He also noted that there are social and economic problems in other parts of the world that are much more severe than conditions in the United States.
Gorbachev, 80, is popular in the West for the role he played in ending the Cold War but is disliked by many in Russia for the collapse of the Soviet Union and the years of social and economic turmoil that followed.

Much of Gorbachev's speech Friday dealt with his experiences as a leader of the Soviet Union and his interactions with former Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush and former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

Wearing a gray suit, light blue shirt and blue striped tie, he participated in a question and answer session with former Wyoming U.S. Sen. Alan Simpson, who said "this guy took more risks and changed the world." The two also entertained the audience with some banter.

When one student asked Gorbachev what he would do if he were elected president of Russia next year, Gorbachev responded that it wasn't a realistic question because "this question comes too late."
Simpson noted the student was the first to "stump the president'" this year.
"I answered it; it didn't stump me," Gorbachev shot back through his interpreter.

But Gorbachev gave a nod when Simpson remarked "you can't hate politicians and love democracy."
Gorbachev said Russia was about half-way in its transition toward democracy, and he advised youths to read more.

Gov. Matt Mead presented Gorbachev with a brown cowboy hat that Gorbachev donned and posed with on stage, craning his neck slightly. He took it off after stepping down.

UW spokesman Jim Kearns said Gorbachev was paid $125,000 for the appearance. The University of Wyoming Foundation is covering the cost with money from private donations.



Read more: http://billingsgazette.co...z1aom423Gd
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
I've seen a couple of you name calling instead of using a rational argument, so I imagine you get all of your "information" from Fox news.


14 Propaganda Techniques Fox 'News' Uses to Brainwash Americans

The good news is that the more conscious you are of these techniques, the less likely they are to work on you.

http://www.alternet.org/n...ns/?page=1

There is nothing more sacred to the maintenance of democracy than a free press. Access to comprehensive, accurate and quality information is essential to the manifestation of Socratic citizenship - the society characterized by a civically engaged, well-informed and socially invested populace. Thus, to the degree that access to quality information is willfully or unintentionally obstructed, democracy itself is degraded.


It is ironic that in the era of 24-hour cable news networks and "reality" programming, the news-to-fluff ratio and overall veracity of information has declined precipitously. Take the fact Americans now spend on average about 50 hours a week using various forms of media, while at the same time cultural literacy levels hover just above the gutter. Not only does mainstream media now tolerate gross misrepresentations of fact and history by public figures (highlighted most recently by Sarah Palin's ludicrous depiction of Paul Revere's ride), but many media actually legitimize these displays. Pause for a moment and ask yourself what it means that the world's largest, most profitable and most popular news channel passes off as fact every whim, impulse and outrageously incompetent analysis of its so-called reporters. How did we get here? Take the enormous amount of misinformation that is taken for truth by Fox audiences: the belief that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and that he was in on 9/11, the belief that climate change isn't real and/or man-made, the belief that Barack Obama is Muslim and wasn't born in the United States, the insistence that all Arabs are Muslim and all Muslims are terrorists, the inexplicable perceptions that immigrants are both too lazy to work and are about to steal your job. All of these claims are demonstrably false, yet Fox News viewers will maintain their veracity with incredible zeal. Why? Is it simply that we have lost our respect for knowledge?


My curiosity about this question compelled me to sit down and document the most oft-used methods by which willful ignorance has been turned into dogma by Fox News and other propagandists disguised as media. The techniques I identify here also help to explain the simultaneously powerful identification the Fox media audience has with the network, as well as their ardent, reflexive defenses of it.


The good news is that the more conscious you are of these techniques, the less likely they are to work on you. The bad news is that those reading this article are probably the least in need in of it.


1. Panic Mongering. This goes one step beyond simple fear mongering. With panic mongering, there is never a break from the fear. The idea is to terrify and terrorize the audience during every waking moment. From Muslims to swine flu
to recession to homosexuals to immigrants to the rapture itself, the belief over at Fox seems to be that if your fight-or-flight reflexes aren't activated, you aren't alive. This of course raises the question: why terrorize your own audience? Because it is the fastest way to bypasses the rational brain. In other words, when people are afraid, they don't think rationally. And when they can't think rationally, they'll believe anything.


2. Character Assassination/Ad Hominem. Fox does not like to waste time debating the idea. Instead, they prefer a quicker route to dispensing with their opponents: go after the person's credibility, motives, intelligence, character, or, if necessary, sanity. No category of character assassination is off the table and no offense is beneath them. Fox and like-minded media figures also use ad hominem attacks not just against individuals, but entire categories of people in an effort to discredit the ideas of every person who is seen to fall into that category, e.g. "liberals," "hippies," "progressives" etc. This form of argument - if it can be called that - leaves no room for genuine debate over ideas, so by definition, it is undemocratic. Not to mention just plain crass.

3. Projection/Flipping. This one is frustrating for the viewer who is trying to actually follow the argument. It involves taking whatever underhanded tactic you're using and then accusing your opponent of doing it to you first. We see this frequently in the immigration discussion, where anti-racists are accused of racism, or in the climate change debate, where those who argue for human causes of the phenomenon are accused of not having science or facts on their side. It's often called upon when the media host finds themselves on the ropes in the debate.


4. Rewriting History. This is another way of saying that propagandists make the facts fit their worldview. The Downing Street Memos on the Iraq war were a classic example of this on a massive scale, but it happens daily and over smaller issues as well. A recent case in point is Palin's mangling of the Paul Revere ride, which Fox reporters have bent over backward to validate. Why lie about the historical facts, even when they can be demonstrated to be false? Well, because dogmatic minds actually find it easier to reject reality than to update their viewpoints. They will literally rewrite history if it serves their interests. And they'll often speak with such authority that the casual viewer will be tempted to question what they knew as fact.


5. Scapegoating/Othering. This works best when people feel insecure or scared. It's technically a form of both fear mongering and diversion, but it is so pervasive that it deserves its own category. The simple idea is that if you can find a group to blame for social or economic problems, you can then go on to a) justify violence/dehumanization of them, and b) subvert responsibility for any harm that may befall them as a result.


6. Conflating Violence With Power and Opposition to Violence With Weakness. This is more of what I'd call a "meta-frame" (a deeply held belief) than a media technique, but it is manifested in the ways news is reported constantly. For example, terms like "show of strength" are often used to describe acts of repression, such as those by the Iranian regime against the protesters in the summer of 2009. There are several concerning consequences of this form of conflation. First, it has the potential to make people feel falsely emboldened by shows of force - it can turn wars into sporting events. Secondly, especially in the context of American politics, displays of violence - whether manifested in war or debates about the Second Amendment - are seen as noble and (in an especially surreal irony) moral. Violence become synonymous with power, patriotism and piety.


7. Bullying. This is a favorite technique of several Fox commentators. That it continues to be employed demonstrates that it seems to have some efficacy. Bullying and yelling works best on people who come to the conversation with a lack of confidence, either in themselves or their grasp of the subject being discussed. The bully exploits this lack of confidence by berating the guest into submission or compliance. Often, less self-possessed people will feel shame and anxiety when being berated and the quickest way to end the immediate discomfort is to cede authority to the bully. The bully is then able to interpret that as a "win."


8. Confusion. As with the preceding technique, this one works best on an audience that is less confident and self-possessed. The idea is to deliberately confuse the argument, but insist that the logic is airtight and imply that anyone who disagrees is either too dumb or too fanatical to follow along. Less independent minds will interpret the confusion technique as a form of sophisticated thinking, thereby giving the user's claims veracity in the viewer's mind.

9. Populism. This is especially popular in election years. The speakers identifies themselves as one of "the people" and the target of their ire as an enemy of the people. The opponent is always "elitist" or a "bureaucrat" or a "government insider" or some other category that is not the people. The idea is to make the opponent harder to relate to and harder to empathize with. It often goes hand in hand with scapegoating. A common logical fallacy with populism bias when used by the right is that accused "elitists" are almost always liberals - a category of political actors who, by definition, advocate for non-elite groups.


10. Invoking the Christian God. This is similar to othering and populism. With morality politics, the idea is to declare yourself and your allies as patriots, Christians and "real Americans" (those are inseparable categories in this line of thinking) and anyone who challenges them as not. Basically, God loves Fox and Republicans and America. And hates taxes and anyone who doesn't love those other three things. Because the speaker has been benedicted by God to speak on behalf of all Americans, any challenge is perceived as immoral. It's a cheap and easy technique used by all totalitarian entities from states to cults.


11. Saturation. There are three components to effective saturation: being repetitive, being ubiquitous and being consistent. The message must be repeated cover and over, it must be everywhere and it must be shared across commentators: e.g. "Saddam has WMD." Veracity and hard data have no relationship to the efficacy of saturation. There is a psychological effect of being exposed to the same message over and over, regardless of whether it's true or if it even makes sense, e.g., "Barack Obama wasn't born in the United States." If something is said enough times, by enough people, many will come to accept it as truth. Another example is Fox's own slogan of "Fair and Balanced."


12. Disparaging Education. There is an emerging and disturbing lack of reverence for education and intellectualism in many mainstream media discourses. In fact, in some circles (e.g. Fox), higher education is often disparaged as elitist. Having a university credential is perceived by these folks as not a sign of credibility, but of a lack of it. In fact, among some commentators, evidence of intellectual prowess is treated snidely and as anti-American. The disdain for education and other evidence of being trained in critical thinking are direct threats to a hive-mind mentality, which is why they are so viscerally demeaned.


13. Guilt by Association. This is a favorite of Glenn Beck and Andrew Breitbart, both of whom have used it to decimate the careers and lives of many good people. Here's how it works: if your cousin's college roommate's uncle's ex-wife attended a dinner party back in 1984 with Gorbachev's niece's ex-boyfriend's sister, then you, by extension are a communist set on destroying America. Period.


14. Diversion. This is where, when on the ropes, the media commentator suddenly takes the debate in a weird but predictable direction to avoid accountability. This is the point in the discussion where most Fox anchors start comparing the opponent to Saul Alinsky or invoking ACORN or Media Matters, in a desperate attempt to win through guilt by association. Or they'll talk about wanting to focus on "moving forward," as though by analyzing the current state of things or God forbid, how we got to this state of things, you have no regard for the future. Any attempt to bring the discussion back to the issue at hand will likely be called deflection, an ironic use of the technique of projection/flipping.

In debating some of these tactics with colleagues and friends, I have also noticed that the Fox viewership seems to be marked by a sort of collective personality disorder whereby the viewer feels almost as though they've been let into a secret society. Something about their affiliation with the network makes them feel privileged and this affinity is likely what drives the viewers to defend the network so vehemently. They seem to identify with it at a core level, because it tells them they are special and privy to something the rest of us don't have. It's akin to the loyalty one feels by being let into a private club or a gang. That effect is also likely to make the propaganda more powerful, because it goes mostly unquestioned.


In considering these tactics and their possible effects on American public discourse, it is important to note that historically, those who've genuinely accessed truth have never berated those who did not. You don't get honored by history when you beat up your opponent: look at Martin Luther King Jr., Robert Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln. These men did not find the need to engage in othering, ad homeinum attacks, guilt by association or bullying. This is because when a person has accessed a truth, they are not threatened by the opposing views of others. This reality reveals the righteous indignation of people like Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity as a symptom of untruth. These individuals are hostile and angry precisely because they don't feel confident in their own veracity. And in general, the more someone is losing their temper in a debate and the more intolerant they are of listening to others, the more you can be certain they do not know what they're talking about.

One final observation. Fox audiences, birthers and Tea Partiers often defend their arguments by pointing to the fact that a lot of people share the same perceptions. This is a reasonable point to the extent that Murdoch's News Corporation reaches a far larger audience than any other single media outlet. But, the fact that a lot of people believe something is not necessarily a sign that it's true; it's just a sign that it's been effectively marketed.


As honest, fair and truly intellectual debate degrades before the eyes of the global media audience, the quality of American democracy degrades along with it.
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
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Posted by bigsky (+82) 10 years ago
well i guess 2 thessalonians 3:10 is my rebuttal to that one and maybe all you DRD4 tards should read the eleventh verse also.

cheryl, this eat the rich scheme is the same tactic that put cuba in the hands of castro. their anti jew sentiment is what delivered the jews into the hands of hitler. some of these people are anti federal reserve, and that is a good thing but blame the rich, that thought is sophomoric at best. this countries problems stem from corrupt politicians. period..for every halliburton there is a solyndra, for every contra scandal there is a fast and furious scandle...people need to MAKE government their servent, not be the servent of the government....otherwise, we just choose to be red and blue surfs.

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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
well i guess 2 thessalonians 3:10 is my rebuttal to that one and maybe all you DRD4 tards should read the eleventh verse also.


I guess you don't understand the concept of context


6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching[a] you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat."
11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13 And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.

14 Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15 Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.


With the unwillingness of the fat-cat CEO's to take some of that corporate profit and invest it in the economy to create some jobs where are these people supposed to turn? We all need to eat. The point of the protest is people who want to work but can't find jobs. That is very different from the people Paul is addressing who are unwilling to work.

What is odd is the apparent conflict between this passage and most of what Jesus taught. But that is its own 200 post thread.
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
"Now it is time for all of us to join in a global non violent protest. The ruling powers work for the benefit of just a few, ignoring the will of the vast majority and the human and environmental price we all have to pay. This intolerable situation must end."

http://today.msnbc.msn.co...pmbr5xSn6A

Day of global Occupy protests gets under way

Some 100,000 protesters were expected a day after Premier Silvio Berlusconi barely survived a confidence vote. Italy, with a national debt ratio second only to Greece in the 17-nation eurozone, is rapidly becoming a focus of concern in Europe's debt crisis.
"People of Europe: Rise Up!" read a banner in Rome. Some peaceful demonstrators turned against the violent group and tried to stop them, hurling bottles at them, Sky and the ANSA news agency reported. Others fled, scared by the violence.

A day of worldwide protests inspired by the Occupy Wall Street movement in the United States began Saturday with the hundreds of people gathering in cities from Japan and South Korea to Australia.
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
It's not MY protest, guys. Don't kill the messenger. Millions of people around the world are protesting.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 10 years ago
Cheryl, you are doing a great job of keeping the spirit alive...don't let one or two out of many others sour you on your mission...I applaud your efforts and am trying to help in any way I can...I notice there are many posters on here that are agreeing with the OWS efforts...if a man wants to work and can't find a job, that is a problem...I have a friend that is a PHD that was laid off from big Pharma, and cannot find a job and she is in her 50's, so now here she is beyond middle aged and over educated for most jobs..what is she and many like her to do...she has joined the protest in NYC...
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 10 years ago
Occupy Wall Street: More popular than you think
By Brian Montopoli Topics Economy .



The conservative criticism of the Occupy Wall Street movement is that it is a "growing mob" (House majority leader Eric Cantor) of "shiftless protestors" (The Tea Party Express) engaged in "class warfare" (GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain) whose grievances - whatever they are - are far outside the political mainstream.


The polls don't back that up.


A new survey out from Time Magazine found that 54 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of the protests, while just 23 percent have a negative impression. An NBC/Wall Street Journal survey, meanwhile, found that 37 percent of respondents "tend to support" the movement, while only 18 percent "tend to oppose" it.


The findings suggest that the right's portrait of the movement as a collection of lazy hippies who need to stop whining - to "take a shower and get a job" (Bill O'Reilly) - isn't resonating with most Americans.


That's because while the protesters' aims are vague - Bill Clinton said Wednesday that they need to start advocating specific political goals - their frustrations are easily identifiable and widely shared. The Occupy movement may be a big tent (one with room for opposition to fracking, calls for campaign finance reform, and a host of other positions), but nearly everyone involved says they are angry that a small group of wealthy Americans have grown increasingly rich while "the other 99 percent" have been left behind.


That's a belief that seems to be shared by Americans across the political spectrum. In 2010, as CBSNews.com reported in a story on the income and wealth divide last month, researchers and Harvard and Duke asked Americans how they thought wealth is spread among income groups, as well as how they thought it should be spread. Overwhelmingly, Americans said they wanted a more equitable distribution of wealth; they also underestimated just how large the wealth divide has grown. (See chart below.)










As the study's authors noted, "All groups - even the wealthiest respondents - desired a more equal distribution of wealth than what they estimated the current United States level to be." Republicans, Democrats, independents, as well as rich, middle class and poor all said that wealth shouldn't be so concentrated among the highest earners.



That goes a long way toward explaining the Occupy movement's potential staying power and cultural resonance. While most Americans wouldn't camp out in the freewheeling quasi-society that has sprung up in Lower Manhattan, the vast majority seem to share the protesters' sense that the economic deck is stacked. They've seen the government bail out the banks that helped create the economic crisis, seen corporate profits hit all-time high after all-time high, seen CEO pay balloon to 350 times that of the average worker. They've seen average hourly earnings (adjusted for inflation) stagnate for half a century while CEO pay increased 300 percent since 1990. They've seen social mobility decline and friends and neighbors join the ranks of the long-term unemployed while the wealthiest Americans have had their tax burden reduced and have increased their share of the nation's wealth. (For the details behind these statistics, see the extraordinary valuable graphics put together by Business Insider.)



There's no denying that some of the protesters fit critics' characterization of them - many, though certainly not all, of the most committed demonstrators are the sort of outspoken young leftists that O'Reilly seems to disdain. And there's no question there is a wide variety of opinions about how to move forward - both within the movement and the public at large. But the polls and the data suggest that the protesters' underlying concerns resonate widely. Occupy Wall Street may have an uncertain future - demonstrators in New York may be de facto evicted Friday morning - but it clearly seems to have tapped into a widespread sense that the economic system is out of whack. And that makes it far more difficult for critics to blithely dismiss the protesters as outside the American mainstream.

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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
Thousands gather in Times Square, NYC as part of the Occupy Wall Street movement. The estimate is 50,000+. And the numbers continue to rise...

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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
Occupy Wall Street more popular than Obama

http://rt.com/usa/news/oc...obama-869/

While politicians and the mainstream media waited weeks to acknowledge Occupy Wall Street, it looks as though the public hasn't ignored the movement. A new poll shows that more Americans favor the protests than they do President Obama.

A new poll released on Thursday from Time assessed Americans' opinions of all things current events, only to reveal that the general public's favor of the continuing Occupy Wall Street movements exceed that of their own commander-in-chief. Approaching its fifth week now, the ongoing protests that originated out of New York's Zuccotti Park that have since spread internationally have managed to garner more support than Barack Obama himself, with 54 percent of those polled favoring the demonstrations to the president's measly 44 percent.

And although conservative critics have largely shunned the Occupy Wall Street protests as being an disorganized and chaotic attempt to recapitalize on the Tea Party's success from yesteryear, the same poll from Time shows that the approval rating of the populist-geared GOP gang is only half that of Occupy Wall Street.
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
Ann Coulter and Kim Silver (and probably a ton of dittohead Wingnuts) Circulate 2007 Anti-War Photo to Smear Occupy Wall Street


Here's something interesting: I noticed referrals coming from Reddit, from a discussion of a new anti-Occupy Wall Street smear circulating on Facebook, a photograph of some anarchists with a sign that says, "Procreate the Troops."

http://littlegreenfootbal...all_Street

But it's almost 5 years old; it was posted in March 2007 at Little Green Footballs. And it was nowhere near Wall Street; it was an anti-war demonstration in Oregon.

So when you see this photo start showing up at right wing blogs, now you'll know where it really came from.
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
Words Cannot even express how amazing this video shot in Madrid, Spain during "Occupy the World" yesterday. Beethoven's 9th Ode to Joy played live in Madrid. The crowd raised their empty palms chanting "these are our weapons," a sign of their peaceful resistance.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 10 years ago
thanks to Hal for this link to this wonderful article...

http://www.pubtheo.com/page.asp?pid=1635
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
Bill O'Reilly Admits That Fox News Is Waging A War Against Occupy Wall Street

By trying to defend the Fox News smear campaign against Occupy Wall Street as self-defense, Bill O'Reilly accidentally admitted that Fox is waging war on the 99%. The most interesting thing about O'Reilly's remarks is that he indirectly admitted that Fox News is engaged in a smear campaign against Occupy Wall Street. This is all part of the Fox News campaign to destroy Occupy Wall Street.

Fox News is at war with Occupy Wall Street. They consider this a battle.
Fox News isn't just smearing the left when they attack Occupy Wall Street. They are insulting the left, right, and middle. In their fantasy, Occupy Wall Street is only a movement of the left, but the reality is that there are people of all shapes, sizes, colors, backgrounds, ages, and political beliefs taking part in these protests, and Fox News has declared them all to be the enemy.

Occupy Wall Street is not only a threat to Wall Street. It is also a threat to media giants who make their money by feeding the American people an anesthetic of misinformation and fear. News Corp. owned by the Billionaire Australian Rupert Murdoch is the most powerful media company in the world.

http://www.politicususa.c...ly-fox-ows
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Posted by Cory Cutting (+1272) 10 years ago
You know.. Out of all the problems that are going on now... Occupy marches, good govt, bad govt, bad media, good media....

The one thing that is the most easy for one individual to fix is not being done. If you don't like the message being sent QUIT WATCHING THE TV!! People watch what the want to watch. They find those who are sending THEIR message.

Media has the power because we have allowed the power. Shut the damn TV off and quit listening to the bull. But that won't happen because people seek out what they believe.

So the next problem develops. Changing what people believe.

We may not be able to unseat the politicians immediately. We may not be able to get the budget balanced right now. But we can have an impact on the message by not feeding the media monster.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 10 years ago
I understand what that man means Gunnar, but I am against the bank bailouts while the middle class pays for it...there are very few jobs out there now for anyone IMO...I have a friend that is a PHD that got laid off after many years with big pharma...she thinks her age was against her(in her 50's) but I have no idea...now she is jobless and living off her 401K...surely something can be done to help this class of people that have never asked for a handout in their lives...
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
Not put to fine a point on it, but unless this guy is a more extreme version of Mark Zuckerberg he is most certainly part of the 99%. As for the notion that all it takes to be part of the top 1% is a little elbow grease, it is so patently absurd it is not worth discussing. Yes talent and hard work matter. However, neither is a guarantee of success. There are a whole host of factors at play. There are plenty of talented hard working poor people and I am not talking just about self righteous people who like to brag about their skillss and who were born two decades too late to ridicule grandpa for losing his farm and home in the great depression .

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The Middle Class in America Is Radically Shrinking. Here Are the Stats to Prove it (From The Business Insider)

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer at a staggering rate. Once upon a time, the United States had the la...rgest and most prosperous middle class in the history of the world, but now that is changing at a blinding pace.

The 22 statistics detailed here prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence in America.

http://finance.yahoo.com/...CXRT%2CDIA


(Don't read this part Levi):


The globalism and "free trade" that our politicians and business leaders insisted would be so good for us have had some rather nasty side effects. It turns out that they didn't tell us that the "global economy" would mean that middle class American workers would eventually have to directly compete for jobs with people on the other side of the world where there is no minimum wage and very few regulations. The big global corporations have greatly benefited by exploiting third world labor pools over the last several decades, but middle class American workers have increasingly found things to be very tough.

The reality is that no matter how smart, how strong, how educated or how hard working American workers are, they just cannot compete with people who are desperate to put in 10 to 12 hour days at less than a dollar an hour on the other side of the world. After all, what corporation in their right mind is going to pay an American worker ten times more (plus benefits) to do the same job? The world is fundamentally changing. Wealth and power are rapidly becoming concentrated at the top and the big global corporations are making massive amounts of money. Meanwhile, the American middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence as U.S. workers are slowly being merged into the new "global" labor pool.

What do most Americans have to offer in the marketplace other than their labor? Not much. The truth is that most Americans are absolutely dependent on someone else giving them a job. But today, U.S. workers are "less attractive" than ever. Compared to the rest of the world, American workers are extremely expensive, and the government keeps passing more rules and regulations seemingly on a monthly basis that makes it even more difficult to conduct business in the United States.

So corporations are moving operations out of the U.S. at breathtaking speed. Since the U.S. government does not penalize them for doing so, there really is no incentive for them to stay.

What has developed is a situation where the people at the top are doing quite well, while most Americans are finding it increasingly difficult to make it. There are now about 6 unemployed Americans for every new job opening in the United States, and the number of "chronically unemployed" is absolutely soaring. There simply are not nearly enough jobs for everyone.

Many of those who are able to get jobs are finding that they are making less money than they used to. In fact, an increasingly large percentage of Americans are working at low wage retail and service jobs.

But you can't raise a family on what you make flipping burgers at McDonald's or on what you bring in from greeting customers down at the local Wal-Mart.

The truth is that the middle class in America is dying -- and once it is gone it will be incredibly difficult to rebuild.
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22 Statistics That Prove The Middle Class Is Being Systematically Wiped Out Of Existence In America

This is what American workers now must compete against: in China a garment worker makes approximately 86 cents an hour and in Cambodia a garment worker makes approximately 22 cents an hour.

More than 40% of Americans who actually are employed are now working in service jobs, which are often very low paying.

61 percent of Americans "always or usually" live paycheck to paycheck, which was up from 49 percent in 2008 and 43 percent in 2007.

Approximately 21 percent of all children in the United States are living below the poverty line in 2010 - the highest rate in 20 years.

A staggering 43 percent of Americans have less than $10,000 saved up for retirement.

In America today, the average time needed to find a job has risen to a record 35.2 weeks.

For the first time in U.S. history, banks own a greater share of residential housing net worth in the United States than all individual Americans put together.

In the United States, the average federal worker now earns 60% MORE than the average worker in the private sector.

n 1950, the ratio of the average executive's paycheck to the average worker's paycheck was about 30 to 1. Since the year 2000, that ratio has exploded to between 300 to 500 to one.

The top 1% of U.S. households own nearly twice as much of America's corporate wealth as they did just 15 years ago.

83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people.

http://www.businessinside...010-7?op=1

[This message has been edited by Cheryl Pieters (10/26/2011)]
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Posted by tax payer (+344) 10 years ago
Protesting should be to get rid of free trade. Then maybe our jobs will come home. Check out the economy of North Dakota, lots of jobs, economy is great. But in my opinion people are too used to getting cheap clothes and etc. that are made by the cheap labor.

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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
Scott Olsen, a protester who's done two tours of duty in Iraq and is now involved in Veterans For Peace, was critically wounded during an Oakland police raid by police projectiles. When people tried to help him, an officer lobbed a flash bang grenade right into their group. Olsen is currently hospitalized with serious injuries and is reported to be in critical condition.



What happened to our constitutional right to assemble and protest? Is that another thing that has gone down the toilet along with jobs, homes and infrastructure?
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 10 years ago
Do we have the fortitude to step up and prevent the economic polarization of our nation?? The people still have the power but it is being diluted each day that goes by. Haven't you had enough, or are you content with watching as the middle class slowly fades into financial obscurity?





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Posted by tax payer (+344) 10 years ago
Yes, they have a right to protest, but they are costing the small business money that are in the area. No one wants to shop where they are protesting. They are costing the tax payers money for police, clean up and other services. They sit and chant like the old hippies, many have no idea what they are protesting to begin with. They need to vote and vote in people they feel will change what ever they are protesting. Wonder who is paying for all these protesters?
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 9 years ago
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 9 years ago
10 Signs That You're Fully Awake

Isn't it obvious that there is a significant global awakening happening? Just as the Mayans predicted so many years ago, the apocalypse would become apparent in 2012. But many misinterpret the apocalypse to be the end of the world, when in fact it actually means an "un-covering, a revelation of something hidden."

As many continue to argue the accuracy of the Maya
n calendar, it can no longer be argued that a great many people are finally becoming aware of what has been hidden from them for so long. Of course this awakening is not an overnight process. It takes time to peel away the many layers of lies to get to the core of the ultimate truths
It would be beyond pretentious for us to claim to know all of the secrets of the universe. We don't. Everyday we are humbled by what we don't yet know.

However, it is becoming clearer by the day what isn't true. And by that measure alone, it is possible to determine if you're one of the people beginning to wake up.

Here are ten signs you may be fully awake:

1. You know there's no meaningful difference between major political parties (Democrats and Republicans): It's so easy to get caught up the left-right debate and believe there's a difference between the two major political parties. However, debate is one thing, while actions are another. By their deeds you shall know them, and it is indisputable that there is no significant difference between political parties when it comes to action on the most important issues. Even hardened ideologues like John Cusack are beginning to wake up.

2. You understand that the Federal Reserve, or international central banking more broadly, is the engine of our economic problems: Debt slavery is the totalitarian force that threatens all of humanity, not some temporary political puppet or some greedy Wall Street trader. When a small group of people have the ability to create wealth out of nothing and charge interest on it, they have the ability to enslave the planet to their ownership despite what type of government a country claims to have.
3. You know that preemptive war is never necessary: When we realize that self-defense is the only acceptable form of violence, then we become awakened human beings. To suggest war because someone is different from you, or they may pose a threat in the future is simply ludicrous. And when did the idea of bombing civilians become humanitarian? No one wants war except for the immoral creeps that benefit from it.
4. You know that you're being systematically poisoned, how, by whom, and why: Admittedly, there's a lot to learn in terms of how we are secretly being poisoned. But the fact remains that we are being systematically poisoned, and it is likely for the deliberate purpose of dumbing us down and, ultimately, culling the population. Who could believe anyone is so evil to do that to innocent people, you may ask. Well, once you begin to seek the answer to that question, you're one step closer to enlightenment.
5. You understand that government can never legislate morality, nor should they: When you realize the role of government is only to protect your liberty and work for the well being of the citizens, you're awakened. There should be one simple law regulating morality: Do no harm. Thus, it's impossible for the government to enforce morality with guns, cages, and taxes because those clearly cause severe harm to your liberty and our well-being.
6. You know that the mainstream media is wholly owned and manipulated by the ruling elite: A dwindling number of people still actually believe what they hear coming from the establishment media as if it's gospel, even when they already accept that they are bought and paid for by the elite controllers. Yet, recognizing that they are nothing more than a propaganda machine and a form of mind control are the first steps in being able to critically think beyond the scientific messaging they broadcast.
7. You know that your neighbors are not your enemy even if you have fierce ideological disagreements: This is perhaps the most difficult thing to overcome in the awakening process. But it's vital to understand that your neighbors have been indoctrinated and hypnotized like the rest of the us, until someone helps shine a light on inconsistencies in our thoughts and beliefs. Most of their ideas are not their own. They are suffering just like the rest of us. It's okay to condemn their actions if they're harmful, but those who are awake will not give up on spreading information that can enlighten those who might still be in the dark. None of us were born "awake" and all of us can learn even more.
8. You know that the endgame is one-world control of planet Earth: Once you understand that the endgame for the ruling elite is to have complete control of all vital facets of society through a global government, one-world currency, international armed forces, and so on, it is simple to see through the lies and propaganda surrounding even the most confusing world events. You will never go back to sleep when you fully accept this reality.
9. You recognize that there are esoteric powers manipulating our physical world: Whether you're a religious or spiritual person, scientific or just plain curious, there are many theories about an invisible force at play in all of this. Obviously it's impossible to prove exactly what it is. You may not want to believe it, but the ruling elite takes their occult rituals deadly serious. And they likely know something we don't. Just by keeping an open mind about this possibility, you'll forever keep an open mind about the things we can actually see, hear, taste and touch. Current science has shown that we can only "see" what the visible light spectrum reveals, which amounts to the tiniest fraction of all that can theoretically be seen within the full spectrum of energy. Part of any awakening is realizing that there is much more that is possible than impossible.
10. The power to change the world rests with you and you alone: For too long people have believed themselves to be weak, or relied on others to change the world for them. You'll know that you're fully awake when you realize that you have infinite power to change the world by simply living the change you want to see. First, you have to identify the principles that you believe in and then go out and live by them. If just a small minority took steps to do this, it would shake the establishment to its core.

What kind of world do you want to live in?
http://www.activistpost.c...awake.html
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+474) 9 years ago
One year Anniversary!


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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 9 years ago
Think I'll watch football instead.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 9 years ago
Maybe throw in some hot wings and imagine the scent is pepper spray.
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