why will no one allow pets in rentals
Posted by Rachel Long (+106) 8 years ago
There are a lot rentals in miles city but no one will allow pets will no one allow pets with a deposit for pets so people don't have to give up there pets they love just to live somewhere
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Posted by Jarrod (+155) 8 years ago
Buy a home is my only solution.
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Posted by Mrs. M (+717) 8 years ago
Many people are very irresponsible with pets. They don't clean the yard, the pet scratches the door or carpet in front of the door, cat pee is just about impossible to get out, and some tenants have allergies. I could go on but you get the idea. I allow pets for a monthly fee and upon my approval of the pet, but I have no rental openings. By the way, the presentation you make on the landlord is important. Are you clean, is your vehicle clean, do you look and act as a responsible adult? Can you write a simple sentence? Your posting is three long lines with no punctuation or periods. When your teachers said first impressions count they were right.

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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 8 years ago
You need a note from your doctor that the pet is a companion that provides emotional stabilization. It's almost bulletproof.

I'll never understand a place that won't allow pets, but will allow human children.

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Posted by Rachel Long (+106) 8 years ago
I do know my punctuation, grammar exc.! Grammar and spelling have nothing to do with the simple question I asked. I am very clean presentable, and work and go to school full time. My dog stays inside his kennel during the day when I am busy. He gets let out several times, and during the evening is home with me. Just because you had few bad renters does not mean everyone is a bad renter.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
I allow pets into my rental, but don't live in Miles City area...I even allow horses LOL...but in the pasture not the rental...
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Posted by Mrs. M (+717) 8 years ago
If you will reread my post you will see that I do allow pets. I was also giving you some hints on how to impress a landlord as well as answering why some landlords will not rent to tenants with pets. I consider many things when interviewing a prospective tenant. When you are renting you are not even paying one hundredth of the cost the landlord has invested. Wouldn't you try to protect your investment? Present yourself in the best possible light just as you would for a job interview. At this time in Miles City, landlords can be pretty selective.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+10047) 8 years ago
I can understand why a landlord would forbid animals. What I don't understand is the popularity today of buying a pet and keeping it in a cage when it is not a parakeet or a hamster.
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Posted by Skye (+375) 8 years ago
Buck,

Human children? You have never had kids?
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+14132) 8 years ago
Buck is right on the money with that post.
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Posted by Laura Sevier (+1759) 8 years ago
I can understan why landlords do not allow pets, I had to remove my carpet in the house I rent because of the dogs, I now have hardwood floors that were under the carpet in the living room and hallway, the bedroom and computer room all ready had hardwood floors. I removed the old carpet in the kitchen and paid to have the floor scraped and linoleum put in the kitchen and my landlord removed the carpet out of the bathroom because the seal under my toilet was leaking and I paid to have linoleum put in the bathroom, I even bought the linoleum that was put in the kitchen and bathroom, so I paid for my dog's mistakes, I have decided if I ever get a house of my own, I want a house with no carpets anywhere, having no carpets is best when you have pets, floors with no carpets are easier to clean if pets have accidents or get sick. So if I were a landlord and had carpets in the house I rent out, I would not allow pets. If the house had no carpets, I would rent to someone with pets.
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Posted by t.anderson (+96) 8 years ago
No offense to anyone, but I completely understand why landlords do not allow pets.
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Posted by nevets (+358) 8 years ago
Having worked for a property management company in havre for 4 years basically doing what they refered to as rental reclamation or getting the place back in order in between tenants I can understand 100% why a landlord would deny pet owners. I learned 1 cat in a house for 1 year can do about 20 times the rent in damage and 1 dog that had 6 puppies that are kept only for eight weeks can be just as bad. Rental property is an investment I can understand a property owner wanting to protect thier investment. Even the most responsible pet owners with the most well behaved pets can have one little incedent cost more than a pet deposit will cover. For example we had a renter very profesional person who sold radio ads go 26 miles out of town to chinook to close a deal when a bridge was taken out by a semi she was delayed 5 hours with no cell service. Her normally well behaved well trained lab not wanting to poop on the rug tried to get out of the house on his own destroying both the front and back door and the lynolium in one room and carpet in the other. Pet deposit $500 total cost of repairs over $4,000.
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Posted by Trent Lehner (+25) 8 years ago
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Posted by Bernice (+45) 8 years ago
I understand your frustrations very well. I myself have a great golden retriever who is has been part of our family, but has made it impossible to find a rental for the past two years in both this town and another. I do understand the damage they can possibly do and the risk the home owner is taking. It seems to be a lose lose situation. I am currently buying a home instead of renting due to this problem and the high cost of rent in this town. My home will have a great fenced yard and the payment is 100-200 less than any rental I have found anyways. As long as your credit is good you can get a rural development loan with no down payment to get into your own home. Good Luck!
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 8 years ago
NOTE FROM DOCTOR!!!
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Posted by t.anderson (+96) 8 years ago
So if you have a note from a doctor, a landlord has no choice but to say yes to a family with a pet? I've never heard of that before.
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Posted by Rachel Long (+106) 8 years ago
Thanks everyone for your replies. I agree with some people but not everyone, which is fine everyone is entitled to there own opinion. As for my dog he does not,live in a cage , yes he is a human kid. Hershey only stays in his kennel a total of two hours at the most when he cannot be with me at school, he runs free with me while we are at work. He has traveled around Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado with me. He is very well behaved dog, that has never caused me any issues in rentals. He is a kid in my life, I value my dog very much. I myself would rather take my business, and education somewhere else to have hershey with me, than be somewhere I cannot have him in my life.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 8 years ago
It's probably not that a landlord can't say no, it's that there are enough laws in place that it's not worth the fight.
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Posted by Grim Reaper (+77) 8 years ago
I call complete B.S. on the doctors note. Nice try though.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
http://www.ehow.com/about...n-dog.html

http://www.mtcan.org/Rent...imals.html

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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
The second link addresses Montana and service dogs...It absolutely is true that it trumps the no pets rule...
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Posted by Grim Reaper (+77) 8 years ago
There is definitely a difference between a service pet for the def and blind, and a lap dog.

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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
It says dogs for the mentally ill and elderly that have trouble walking (like myself) as well...Would be easy to get a doctor (in my case at least) to say I need a dog to help me out if only for helping me walk steady, etc. and to sound the alarm if needed...
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+10047) 8 years ago
So, lie to your landlord and abuse the law designed to assist the handicapped. Yeah, that's good advice.
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Posted by nevets (+358) 8 years ago
My thoughts exactly Mrs. Allison!
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
For your information, Amorette, I am legally handicapped...I walk with a walker and I have a dog that assists me to steady me from time to time..never thought of her as a service dog but one could make the argument...the national handicap bill is for all handicapped people in America...there are far too many court houses that have yet to comply...for example Mussleshell County has three very long steps of stairs to go up before you can get any help there...I deal daily with all sorts of places that don't comply...like the Wells Fargo Bank bldg in Roundup as well...One would think that elevators would be easier to come by...anyway, I am not lying to get my dog into my rental, as I own my property and have a rental of my own where I allow animals...

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Posted by nevets (+358) 8 years ago
I think she thought what I did. That you were encouraging the person that started this thread to lie not that you were.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
Not at all, but the subject had gotten down to whether or not the "no pets" rule was ever voided, and someone had suggested a service or companion dog so I looked it up and posted the links...turns out according to the handicapped federal law it is addressed...I hate when non handicapped people claim otherwise...makes me really angry...one town I lived in was so many "handicapped" folks, I used to call it crippled creek...but the geniunely handicapped folks need all the breaks they can get and I also get steamed up on that subject...I am also an enormous animal lover and rescuer as Steve Craddock can attest to, so anyway a person can keep a beloved pet I am for...

You will notice that I said "would be easy IN MY CASE AT LEAST, to get a doc to attest to my being handicapped...that is NOT LYING...

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Posted by poisonspaghetti (+287) 8 years ago
Amorette, Grim Reaper, etc... you're assuming that a doctor will lie to assist someone who has no legitimate reason to get a service animal. Give me a break! If Howdy or whomever has a service animal in an otherwise pet-free residence or work space, it's because it's therapeutic and needed. Thank God, the people who crafted and passed the ADA were more compassionate and insightful than you.
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Posted by Grim Reaper (+77) 8 years ago
@poison, every good business owner has to seperate compassion with fiscal common sense. I would take this one to court if i had to. Take your compassion with you when you cash your welfare check.
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Posted by Mary1 (+152) 8 years ago
As someone who works with people with disabilities, not "the handicapped", I work with HUD and below is what they say about service animals. The terms we use at work are service animal for animals that have strict training and help most often with people who live with a physical limitation. We use the term companion animal for those used as emotional support most often for those with mental health issues.
HUD: An assistance animal is one that works, provides assistance or performs tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability. Page 4 of the Glossary in the handbook gives a full definition of an Assistance Animal. Part of which is ".providing emotional support to persons with disabilities who have a disability related need for such support." See paragraph 2-44 and 3-38 for additional information on determining if a resident meets the definition of a person with a disability that makes them eligible for an assistance animal as a reasonable accommodation and how to verify the need for an assistance animal.
The need for an assistance animal has to be directly related to a disability, and the services performed by the animal must alleviate one or more identified symptom of that person's disability.



Just aside noted. parking spots and bathroom stalls are not "handicap" either; they are accessible. I understand a lot of people get use to the old terms but handicap is really out-dated and demeaning to people who are as capable as anyone else with a little accommodation.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
well being an old lady, I guess I still use old terms and I don't feel demeaned whatsoever but thanks for the correct phrase...

Borrowing a quote from a wise lady on facebook....
Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not be bent out of shape

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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14239) 8 years ago
Borrowing a quote from a wise lady on facebook....
Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not be bent out of shape


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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 8 years ago
And you'd go to court and look like an asshole and walk out a loser. Tough nuggets.
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Posted by Grim Reaper (+77) 8 years ago
No reason for profanity Bucky! Was it the compassion comment, or the welfare comment that set you off? Possibly both.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 8 years ago
Just stating the facts, ma'am.
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Posted by Jan Warn (+205) 8 years ago
Rachel if you have rented elsewhere while having your dog, the landlords should be willing to give you references if your dog did not cause any damage. This might go a long way towards making your case for pet ownership in rentals. Just a suggestion.
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Posted by Mary1 (+152) 8 years ago
I don't mean to be a pain in the butt Howdy, but I have heard the same thing about the n word, the r word, and terms about homosexuals. I would just like people to thing POV, point of view; just because I don't mind something doesn't mean a whole lot of other people do or don't. With that said, all language is a matter of how others interpret it....so I am no more right than anyone else.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
My Goodness, this thread has more issues than Rick Perry....
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14239) 8 years ago
this thread has more issues than Rick Perry


Not possible.
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Posted by Mary1 (+152) 8 years ago
Only when people bring up good points and you don't like it. I work with persons with disabilities everyday...Normally Howdy, I agree with a lot of your points on MC.com. I wouldn't think that someone trying to educate would be a problem with you but I guess you don't want a open conversation about this topic.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
My dear Mary, I am tired and just got out of the hospital...Under normal circumstances, I would welcome an open discussion but have no strength lately for other than my occasional comments...thanks anyway...
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Posted by Mary1 (+152) 8 years ago
Sorry to hear you have been sick lately, I hope you fee better.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
thanks Mary, I am trying to recover and perhaps next time you wish to discuss the proper terminology for the disabled, you should start another thread so as not to confuse the renting to folks with pets thread...which is why I said that thread had so many issues...Nothing more nor less...
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Posted by Grim Reaper (+77) 8 years ago
Howdy, maybe you shouldn't have hijacked the original thread. I don't remember the original poster being handicapped, or needing a service dog.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
Mr Reaper, you are aptly named, I think....Your reading and comprehension skills need improving obviously, otherwise no comment...

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Posted by Mary1 (+152) 8 years ago
Back to the rental thing: you must have a diagnosed, documented disability that your doctor agrees to write a prescription for a service or companion animal. So if you happened to be one of the people who have such an animal talk to your doctor.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
thanks Mary for restoring the original thread subject and you did it well...plus I agree you must have everything you just mentioned...
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Posted by Jeff Denton (+757) 8 years ago
The landlord might not allow smoking in his house, either. But the same doctor that writes you a pet prescription might give you a MM card. Now we can party there all we want. LOL

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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14239) 8 years ago
Now we can party there all we want. LOL


.... AND sing "who let the dogs out".
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Posted by Mindy B (+75) 8 years ago
Probably not since it is not legal federally but only in certain states; in Montana you can still be fired for testing position for marijuana because it is against federal law.
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Posted by little brother (+71) 8 years ago
My dogs have destroyed my house. carpet twice and lots of chewed up things. besides hair,slobber. Anyone who rents out a house with pets won't have the same house when they get it back.
Oh and besides ALL DOGS DIG!
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
I have 5 dogs in my home and they don't destroy whatsoever as long as my housekeeper keeps up with the vacuuming with the Dyson plus dusting etc etc...we have a doggie door that works with magnets that also is great and doesn't let any outside wild animals, such as skunks, inside...if someone is a responsible pet owner, there shouldn't be any issues...I have found with most renters, if they aren't responsible pet owners, they also aren't terribly responsible folks that take care of anything...Either way you will probably have damage of some sort IMO...

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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 8 years ago
It takes a family of raccoons a month to do what a toddler can in a day.
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Posted by little brother (+71) 8 years ago
I smell BS howdy. and also any dog.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
Probably your upper lip you are smelling...
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 8 years ago
BURN
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Posted by little brother (+71) 8 years ago
Howdy, you are the only person that I know with a dog that don't make messes.
bitch
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
wow, and you kiss your Mom with that mouth...
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6171) 8 years ago
I doubt he kisses anyone other than his dogs, howdy.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
LOL, Wendy.....
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Posted by Rachel Long (+106) 8 years ago
If you are responsible with your dog trained it, and give it the attention and love it needs you would not have a problem with your dog. My dog does not dig, chew, or make messes in the house. This is just a suggestion but could a landlord take the pet deposit, and sign an agreement when you move out if there is more damage than the pet deposit covers, than they are responsible for all damages. Then also take pictures when you move in and move out. All damages if any then would all be covered on the tenants behalf for there pet. This post has gotten out of hand, there is way to much negative going on, medical marijuana had nothing to do with pets in rentals. As far as the doctor note to have a companion there are people that need the emotional support, or stability of an animal in there life, I am not one of them, but why put hate and disorder on people that do need those medical assistances.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 8 years ago
Agree with you Rachel, a properly trained dog with proper attention and love will never make messes...Like the old southern saying about children, "some kids get raised and other kids just get bigger"...I think the same could be said of your pet...we are big animal lovers and rescuers and hate to see dogs that are ignored or abused or worse...which is why we allow pets in our rental, as we believe a good dog is the same as a good child...Our current tenants have a cat and a bearded dragon LOL plus two small children...they are quite responsible with all...
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Posted by Mary1 (+152) 8 years ago
How do you train them not to dig? I adopted a pup back in January and he is wonderful, doesn't chew anything, never messes in the house (doesn't even like to mess in his own backyard if he can help it, holds it until one of our walks) but he has dug several holes in the backyard. I took him to training, he listens well...come, sit, heel, wait (at the cross walks), off, all that good stuff but he digs. He is a black lab mix, if that matters.

I grew up with working dogs if they were digging somewhere I wasn't aware of it, so any help would be appreciated.
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Posted by Mary1 (+152) 8 years ago
Sorry, that last post was off topic.
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Posted by Rachel Long (+106) 8 years ago
Mary if your dog respects you as master as it would sound he does, he is a good listener like my lab mix as well, it will take time but you have to catch the pup digging and yell there name tell them no, and take them back to the spot after they come to you point at the spot he has dug at keep running it through there head that it is naughty. Then afterwards play fetch or do a trick so they know they were in trouble but there still a good dog and you love them. A lot of dogs dig because they get bored as well, so leave bones in the yard or other toys to help entertain them, there less,likely to dig. I hope this helps
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Posted by luckycharms (+53) 8 years ago
My daughter is renting a house that is a 'no pet' rental. And yet it reeks of pet urine. She has rented a carpet cleaner to try to eleviate the smell with no luck she has treated the areas she has located to smell the strongest with vinegar, lemon juice, baking soda, Arm & Hammer Carpet stuff. All to no avail. All she can do to cover the odor is glade plug-ins and candle warmers. THAT is why people don't want pets in their rentals.

I love my dog and cats. Fortunatly, I own my home, but I understand fully why rental owners do not trust PEOPLE with pets.
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Posted by Mrs. M (+717) 8 years ago
Take one bottle of peroxide with two teaspoons of soda and saturate spots if you know where they are. It may take several treatments..test in small in conspicious spot and do not use on natural fabrics. If you don't know where the spots are, a black light will show them. They glow... You can also put some inexpensive mouth wash in your shampooer which seems to help if it is a large area and you don't know where to treat. You have to do this several times. My sis just tried this and swears by it. You may smell a little minty for a while but that's a big improvement.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 8 years ago
Insert joke about luckycharms smelling enough pee to know the difference between human and animal urine.

Sorry, I just can't formulate the words.
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Posted by abbeyb (+37) 8 years ago
Well Buck, having farmed, ranched, AND worked in healthcare, I DO know the distinct difference between human and animal urine. Any idiot can tell the difference. I guess you don't rank high enough on the intelligence scale to hit 'idiot', or you would not have gone there.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 8 years ago
Only in Montana.

I dare anyone to try to rationalizing eating (and enjoying) testicles in any place but Montanta.

Pee sniffer.

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Posted by abbeyb (+37) 8 years ago
1) What the h*ll does that have to do with anything? What have you been drinkin'? Or smokin'?
2) ND, SD, Colorado, and Wyoming are other states that also partake in the eating of bovine testicles. Montana can not solely lay claim to this disgusting practice.

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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 8 years ago
I'm trying to open your eyes to the fact that you're under the mistaken impression it's normal to sniff pee. I tried pointing that out by illustrating how many of us are under the mistaken impression it's normal to eat balls right up until we leave Miles City and experience civilization. It's a lesson I learned the hard way.

Anyway, you sniff pee. In Miles City everyone is going to be like, "Well I sniff pee, too - who doesn't?" If you ever happen to reach civilization, do yourself a favor and don't volunteer your pee sniffing ability, it's not normal.

P.S. It must have been difficult being a cat rancher.
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Posted by Glenn Shelhamer (+77) 8 years ago
This here thread sure has gotton crazy. Question had to do with pets in rentals. I can break that down for you, cause I used to rent a house. The idea of renting, is so that the owner of the rental can generate a "return" on his orgional investment. I allowed a dog in mine, and ended up way in the red, after replacing every yard of carpet in the place. That cured me of being understanding. Last time I checked, this was America. Some freedoms still exist. If the landlord doesn't want a pet in his property.....sounds real fine to me. Don't say anything in the Constitution that "under achivers" suffering from a "pet dependency" have the right to call the landlords shots for him. Of course, we still have a year and a half left of Obama's term, so anything still could happen.
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Posted by Grim Reaper (+77) 8 years ago
Well said Glenn.
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Posted by mckee (+383) 8 years ago
I have 7 rentels and yes I allow pets but only 2 have dogs and 2 have cats. One of rentels with a dog has done damage, but the kids have done more damage to the house and the yard then the dog has. We have asked for damage payment but haven't gotten any yet. The houses with cats have been fine. It's really not the animals but the people, some of them don't care about the rental it's not their's and they just don't care.
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Posted by Kacey (+3153) 8 years ago
I have always had pets and when I was renting simply paid an additional deposit for the privilege of having my dog in someone else's property. I found that it wasn't the animal that the landlord questioned, but the renter. If you are neat and clean and respectful you will have a better chance of getting a rental where you can have pets.
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Posted by vinson (+15) 8 years ago
THERE ARE NO BAD PETS. JUST BAD OWNERS
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 8 years ago
Exactly.
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