2011 Denver Broncos
Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
How can the fans of a team that went 4-12 ask $100 a piece for tickets for nose bleed seats? The Bronco ticket exchange ticket holders are asking for some lofty prices for tickets to see one of the worse teams in football. I will wait until mid season before buying any tickets this year. I'd imagine ticket prices will come down quite alot once the team is 2-6.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Two words: Tim. Tebow.

It's gonna be great, just like when Flutie played for the Bills - Tebow does ANYTHING and the pundits will go CRAZY! Gonna be fun to watch. Timmy better learn how to throw an out - not holding my breath.


I was hoping the Vikings would get Neck Beard in a trade from the Donkeys, no such luck.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
Apparently, management in Miama and Tennessee don't have their heads completely up their asses. Stupid Seahawks, stupid Broncos, and stupid Vikings.

Wait, did I say that about Miami? I take it back. Reggie Bush?

[This message has been edited by Buck Showalter (7/28/2011)]
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
And with post #7500 let me say that I think the Broncos go at least 8-8 this year. I am excited to get this show on the road. It is going to be fun! GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (7/28/2011)]
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Posted by Patrick Petroff (+69) 10 years ago
I think when the season ticket holders are the only ones with the tickets the prices can be steep. I would wait until August 2nd when the single game tickets go on sale through the Broncos. You can probably get them cheaper through them or I usually go to Stubhub (I think there is a 10% fee thrown on there too through Stubhub). Prices will fall especially coming from a team who will maybe win 5 games this year.
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Posted by Shu (+1794) 10 years ago
there was a certain game at Invesco last year that still makes me shed tears of joy to this day...I recall the final score was, like, 59-14. Twas SUCH a beautiful thing!

...and even without Tom Cable, my beloved RAIDERS shall dominate again. Both Times. Bank on it!
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Shu:

On 7-Nov-11, I will send you a six pack of your favorite adult beverage if the Raiders beat the Broncos twice this season. If the Broncos beat the Raiders twice this season you can send me a six-pack of Guinness Extra Stout or Polygamy Porter. If they split the season.... well better luck next year.

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (7/28/2011)]
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
I'm thinking that Brady Quinn will be the starting QB for the Donkeys by week 8.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
I'm ready to see what Tebow can really do, but more importantly I'm ready to get back to a defense we don't have to hang our heads in shame over. I really hope Elvis comes back to form after missing last season and can't wait for Mr Miller to get his NFL legs under him.

Wouldn't really mind seeing them pick up McGahee for some redzone running or another veteran receiver to make up for the loss of Stokley and now Gaffney.

Being typical fairweather/bandwagon fans though, I have no doubt that they'll all be calling for Fox and Tebow's head after the 1st loss of the year.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
I'm thinking that Brady Quinn will be the starting QB for the Donkeys by week 8 week 1.


Fixed your post.
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Posted by Shu (+1794) 10 years ago
You've got yourself a bet there, Richard. BTW, my favorite adult beverage is Fat Tire...if that's not available in your area, I'll settle for Foster's.

Be sure to enjoy your upcoming family reunion and say hi to your folks and siblings for me, okay? In-particular: Suzanne, Greg, Duncan, Randy and Mary are the ones I spent the most time with growing-up.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
If Brady Quinn ever starts, the Broncos are high on Andrew Luck.

That's a double entendre.

[This message has been edited by Buck Showalter (7/28/2011)]
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Infragard Gunnar wrote:
I'm thinking that Brady Quinn Powlus will be the starting QB for the Donkeys by week 8.



There. Fixed your post.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
If Brady Quinn ever starts, the Broncos are high on Andrew Luck.


Buck, that is your best. post. ever.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
Well so far they've used 1/2 of my advice. Sign me up coach, I'm ready!!! Now we could use a receiver, and maybe another defensive lineman.

p.s. CHOOSE A QB ALREADy!!! (NOT Brady Quinn)
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
If you'll take 4 tickets- I'll sell you mine at face muley. Dont want to split em though. So far I know the bengals lions and chiefs are still open. The rest I've gotten verbal commits on (or I'm using) but more could open.

Section 231. $77 ea. I'll sell at face to anyone I know or from MC. If I have to resort to the exchange or ebay Im not sure what Ill do.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
Or if you know anyone who wants preseason tickets you can make an offer
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
Thanks for the offer Rick, but my Bronco guardian angel came through this morning when I was told through a text..."you get my extra raider ticket --snakebite." WHOO HOOO!!!!! FREE TICKET!!! MONDAY NIGHT!!! PRIMETIME!!!!

Should be a great game...I totally expect a Raider victory.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Recognizing that it is preseason and the opponent was the Buffalo Bills, it is none-the-less great to get that first home win.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
Kyle Orton looked pretty sharp, didn't he?

And I do believe the case can be made that Quinn has passed Tebow on the depth chart.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
Tebow will probably get his "make it or break it" game the week after next as next week will probably feature Orton for at least a half, if not into the 3rd quarter. The last game of the preseason should showcase just who will be #2 and #3 at Qb. I've always been a Tebow supporter, and do believe his time will come, IF he accepts the fact that for now, despite what the media hypes, he has to be patient. Wait for your time young man, and it will come. Just ask Aaron Rodgers.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1905) 10 years ago
Tebow's chance may come sooner than you think. Aaron had to play behind a slightly more accomplished QB than either The Mighty Quinn or Orton. Certain experts don't think Tebow is ready, however:

http://www.onionsportsnet...nfl,21167/

[This message has been edited by Bob Netherton II (8/21/2011)]
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Bob: Thanks for the laugh!
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
Kinda hard to "get ready" if you never get the chance to play. IMO
According to Mr. Fox on Denver's sports report last night, there is no clear cut #2 or #3. He said Quinn was #2 this week because he was #3 last week. We'll see if THAT holds true for week 3.

All in all however, I don't think it would be nearly such a "big deal" if the media weren't always looking for the next Hard Copy news story.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Tebow's a much better athlete than Neck Beard, but Tebow won't be a very good NFL QB.

Neck Beard is a better QB than Tebow now and will continue to be for the next 5 years.

Brady Powlus is even better than Tebow at the QB position. Twas a bad draft pick by Mr. McDaniels.

I'll take an a-hole who can throw the ball downfield over a "devout Christian" who can't. Every day.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago






[This message has been edited by Bob L. (8/23/2011)]
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
I've always liked Neck Beard - he's not a great athlete, but he knows how to hand the ball off and minimize TOs. Minnesota should have sold their right leg to get him. By the time Ponder is ready (never), Peterson will be on old knees.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
So use use the "athlete" in Tebow and make him a "slash" or option QB down in the redzone. He CAN throw the ball, he can definatly run the ball, and word on the street is he can catch too. Use him in the wildcat (which I doubt John Fox would ever do) and leave Orton in the backfield a few plays with him. Orton could pass, hand off to Tebow who could run or pass, Tebow could split out at flanker like a tight end and then run for the house, etc etc.

Athleticism isn't the problem for Tebow so why not make the most out of what you have.

Just a thought
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
John Fox is the troubling thing. John Fox is a "what have you done for me lately?" guy and lately has hasn't done anything. The D was awful last year and maybe it was the lack of Dumervil or maybe it wasn't, but it better be really good this year. McDaniels is going to haunt the Broncos for a lot of reasons, one of them might be Tebow, the other is that they canned him way prematurely.
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
2 weeks away from Raiders v Broncos Monday night and I have been thinking about what to expect out of that first game of the season. Fox vs. Jackson. I think Fox has an advantage for the simple fact that Jackson has never been a head coach before. Plus, Bronco Mania will be in full effect. I hate to say it, but right now the Broncos are poised to win this game. If they don't...if they flop at home vs. the hated Raiders...it's going to be a long, long season for Bronco fans. I hate to say it's "must-win" for week 1, but it sure is starting to look that way.

Prediction:

Broncos 24
Raiders 13
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
Raiders were also fools to part with Cable. More power to Pete.

[This message has been edited by Buck Showalter (8/26/2011)]
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
Bob L....where did that pick of Orton come from??? That's Jim Beam??
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Posted by bc8907 (+68) 10 years ago
That's not Orton, just some other piece of white trash...
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
what are you saying bc? White guys who drink Jim Beam are trash?

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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
Woody Paige summed up why there's still a QB controversy pretty well.

http://www.denverpost.com...i_18752495

Orton has lost eight of nine, 14 of 17 and 17 of his past 22 starts.

Much has been made of Orton's lack of a running game and a miserable defense in such starts as Oakland (59-14), San Diego (35-14) and Arizona (43-14). Tebow had the same backs and defense at Oakland (39-23) and at home against Houston (24-23) and San Diego (33-28).

In the 13 games Orton started, the Broncos scored touchdowns inside the red zone on 17 of 104 trips (one on a Tebow run). With Tebow as the starter, the Broncos scored touchdowns 6-of-8 times inside the 20.


I do owe Bob an apology though.

http://www.thedenverchann...etail.html

Coach Fox thinks it was the cook, not the laundry boy, so I was mistaken.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
Rick that's pretty easy to distort the facts on Woody's part given Tebow has started 3 games and Orton has started how many??

I think they should work together. I believe Orton to be a great fit in John Fox's system but Tebow has potential to be as well just in a smaller role.

Fox is a run first, pass second kind of guy, and with the addition of McGahee, a healthy Moreno and a healthy off. line (hopefully), Orton can play to his forte of "pass it to here".

The defense will be a work in progress and I know you can't tell much from preseason games, but so far I'm liking what I see.

Where's Delhomme playing now? And J. Fox helped get him to a Super Bowl?? I think I like our chances with Orton.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
Sure there's only 3 Tebow games to go on, but that also reaffirms what the right decision is.

Remove Tebow from Woody's equation. Orton's point production (really the only 'stat' that matters) is atrocious.

Now add back in the fact that 2 of Tebow's 3 games were against common opponents and the fact that he almost doubled up Orton's point totals against those common opponents.

And then look at those 3 games a different way... these were Tebow's first three NFL games... ever. So even if Tebow's not the best thing since sliced bread... he's terrible in the pocket, can't throw an out, will never 'make it' in the NFL, yada yada. How does he come in as a rookie and outplay Orton? Either Tebow deserves some credit, or Orton is so terrible (as a veteran with one year left on his contract) that the only smart move is to play the kid to see what he can do. If it doesn't work out, at least now you know.

Either way, Orton isn't the guy.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
It's good that weird, circular reasoning is useful for something other than politics.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
It's good that weird, circular reasoning is useful for something other than politics.


IMO, "good", "weird", and "useful" shouldn't appear in the same sentence with "circular reasoning".
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
Nothing circular about it.

With Orton - on pace for 22nd in the league in points per game.
With Tebow - on pace for 7th in the league in points per game.

If you want to say the sample's too small, that's fine. But since that 'sample' is comparing a Rookie's first three NFL games to those of a longtime NFL veteran, I'd say the small sample probably helps Orton more than Tebow.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
Here is the horrible flaw in your logic:

Tebow having more PPG than Orton = Tebow outplaying Orton (your words)

I don't know if it's circular, but it's definitely you.

[This message has been edited by Buck Showalter (8/27/2011)]
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
mule: It's from deadspin.com. Orton was with the Bears. There are more like it.


Rickenhawk: Woody Paige is an idiot. Even you must know that. Oh, and you're an idiot for using ppg as the metric for a QB's success. Just sayin'

[This message has been edited by Bob L. (8/27/2011)]
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Montage of Orton pics:


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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
What the heck - one more:

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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
Orton's parties are way better than Tebow's.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
Right right. Points don't matter. Take down the scoreboard.

The former 3rd string backup to Rex Grossman and Brian Griese (at the same time!) is the franchise's future.

It's all clear to me now
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
Does it make more sense to say the franchise's future is the 3rd stringer to Orton and Brady Quinn?
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
But, But, But

THEY are holding back Tebow because he's a devout Christian.
Everyone discriminates against the Christians, dontchaknow!
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Or the fourth stringer behind Neck Beard, Brady Powlus, AND SHOREVIEW, MINNESOTA'S FAVORITE SON, THE INCOMPARABLE ADAM WEBER?
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Or would that be THE VERY CAPABLE ADAM WEBER?
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
Easy there Capslock Mcghee. That's only according to Michael "paid per click" Silver.

Fox laughed it off. Tebow's playing second tonight.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Rickenhawk, always attacking the source when he can't effectively refute the content.


Here's a pro-Tebow article from Mr. Silver:

http://sports.yahoo.com/n...sday032310


Of course, I'm sure Mr. Silver was just looking for clicks.

BTW, Marc Trestman, a St. Louis Park, Minnesota native and a starting QB for YOUR Moorhead State University Dragons, isn't a very good coach - he hardly ever lasted more than one-two years for any NFL team at the coordinator level.

[This message has been edited by Bob L. (8/28/2011)]

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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Gosh, I guess I was wrong. Tebow must really be the real thing!

Here's an article from the Denver Post: http://www.denverpost.com...i_18773909


Premise of the article: if Bill Walsh weren't dead, he'd LOVE Tim Tebow.

The author's rationale: Because Walsh really liked Lucy Bradlee Van Pelt, he would have also liked Tebow.

Unfortunately, Lucy Bradlee Van Pelt also sucked.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
I didn't say PPC Mike wouldn't write nice things about Tebow if it got traffic. The problem is once it was settled that Orton would start, a person had to get a little more creative to stir up enough controversy to get noticed.

As for Mike's credibility, someone pointed this out on a Broncos board, from way back in 2007. Pretty funny.

http://sportsillustrated....index.html

Apparently Mike used to do yearly mock drafts where he'd pick the best 32 active players in the league. He could pick any players he wanted out of the whole NFL. Here were his top 5 QB's.

1. Carson Palmer
2. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
4. Vince Young
5. JaMarcus Russell

Needless to say, watching him pass over names like Roethlisberger, Brees, Favre, Rivers, McNabb, and Eli Manning in favor of Vince Young and JaMarcus Russell tells you all you need to know about Mike's acumen for judging raw talent.

[This message has been edited by Rick Kuchynka (8/28/2011)]
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Rickenhawk: Look at Mr. Silver's archive. Two articles on your savior. Two.

Wouldn't there be more if he was just looking for clcks? Few players are generating more discussion than your boyfriend Tebow.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Hey Rickenhawk: Who cares how Mr. Silver ranks QBs? In case you didn't notice, Mr. Silver is quoting OTHER PEOPLE in his articles. Therefore, it doesn't matter how Mr. Silver rates QBs, douche.

Tebow will be a waste of a 1st round pick and $$$. I bet Denver mgmt would rather have 3rd round pick Colt McCoy on their roster instead of your boyfriend.

[This message has been edited by Bob L. (8/28/2011)]
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Van Pelt showed a lot more promise than Tebow.

The frustrating thing here is that if McHoodie wanted to draft a QB he could have taken Josh Freeman who is now the starting QB in Tampa. Instead he took some defensive player that didn't make the team. And he also traded away Tom Branstater who showed a lot of promise.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
In case you didn't notice, Mr. Silver is quoting OTHER PEOPLE in his articles. Therefore, it doesn't matter how Mr. Silver rates QBs, douche.


Hehe. That's ok, I'm paraphrasing some people myself.
http://profootballtalk.nb...criticism/

"All media, all types and levels, desperate for headlines that will move product," Saccomano said. He added that, due to the pressure to generate headlines, "sometimes the tabloid mentality overtakes objectivity, at expense of some great journalists." Saccomano thinks that the work of "[h]it and run journalists" will "speed development of team-only media."


I'd say picking JaMarcus over Roethlisberger or Brees is more of an issue of judgement. Somewhat that utterly confused might, for instance, see someone in a Broncos hoodie standing around the field and assume that he's talking to the head coach.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
Van Pelt showed a lot more promise than Tebow.


Long version:

I'm sure are the NFL talent guys were thinking to themselves "Well Tebow's not really our thing, what with the 2 national titles, the 2nd highest NCAA passer rating in history, the Heisman, the SEC scoring records, etc etc, but what happened to that Van Pelt kid from that Mountain West Conference team back in 2003? I think they were almost ranked. Anyway, man that kid could run!"

Short version: Put the crack pipe down, Richard.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
I don't remember VanPelt tripping on the 20 yard line pulling away from center. In reality, arguing who is the better between VanPelt and Tebow it is like deciding a two way tie for last place. At least a first round pick wasn't wasted on VanPelt. I could be more accepting of Tebow if the draft pick weren't so high and such a waste.
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Posted by Jim B (+232) 10 years ago
FYI
Dennis Pluhar 234-9734
Had TWO Denver Bronco vs. Oakland Raider tickets for sale.
Monday night game September 12th.

Give him a call if interested and see if he still has them.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
A little late in the decade to start gnashing teeth over 1st round pick quality.

At least Tebow's still on the team.

And I should hope you never saw Bradlee trip. The guy had 8 career passing attempts. But I'm sure even Manning and Brady trip every now and again.
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Posted by Shu (+1794) 10 years ago
Oh, Richard Jr.???

This wasn't the beautiful 59-14 shallacking at Invesco last year, but I'll take it.

I can taste that Fat Tire already...we'll see what happens in Oakland in November.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Here is hoping that you stay thirsty. Actually, at half-time I was ready to just send it to you. We will wait until November. At least it wasn't a blowout score wise.
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Posted by Kelly & Danelle Walker (+80) 10 years ago
SO SORRY TO ALL DONKEY FANS! RAIDERS DO IT AGAIN!
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
With God as my witness, if I ever run into McHoodie in a dark alley I will punch him in the nose. The 30 days in jail is a small price to pay for the many ways he screwed up this team.
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
What a crappy game. McFadden looked like the real deal Holyfield that he is. Bronco receivers??? Llyod and that was it. Neck beard inconsistent. The Bronco fan??? One Word: pathetic...chanting "Tebow" in the 1st half?

Raiders win the division and make the playoffs if McFadden stays healthy.
SeaBass is my fantasy kicker...he won my game for me last night.

[This message has been edited by mule train (9/13/2011)]
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
"Inconsistent"

Heh. 10 points that he had anything to do with. 10 points off of his turnovers.

And then of course...

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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
If memory serves correctly (and it does) I bet you could find at least a half dozen pictures of the same thing happening to another Bronco's QB and the only difference between the pictures would be the #7 vs. the #8. Elway couldn't hold a wet ball for chit and freely admitted to it after his retirement.

Now don't get me wrong, this is NOT a comparison between Orton and Elway. Orton had some bad plays undoubtly! He probably did cost us around 10 points. Add those points to the ones that our O-line, our run defense, penalties, and the lack of ANY run game whatsoever, and you've got a good ol'fashioned loss. I don't doubt that Tebow will get his chance this year, but last night was neither the time or place as the Raider's front 4 just might have killed him!

Was it the 2 weeks off for the starters that set us back or what the heck happened from the first half of week 3 preseason (yes I said preseason) when we actually looked pretty dang good against another 1st string off./def. and now??

Hopefully Fox puts them in full pad practice all week and works all the "idiocy" out of them!
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
But from what I've heard, one trip-up behind center and you're certified non-NFL material.

This was far beyond that level of ugly.

In all seriousness though, this is hardly Kyle's first game-blowing 4th quarter turnover. In some ways, Kyle is an artist, and throwing away games is his medium.

A poor man's Tony Romo, if you will.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
A poor man's Tony Romo, if you will.


Hell must be freezing over...I'm agreeing with Rick on this one.
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
Just a few more facts about the Raiders v. Broncos rivalry:

The Broncos would need to win the next 18 games straight in order to even the series up between the two teams.

When I moved to Denver in July of 2001...all the locals bragged and bragged about how Denver NEVER lost to the Raiders at home! Since I came to Denver, The Broncos hold a 6-5 series lead at mile high.

The Broncos have now dropped 4 straight and 6 of 8 against the Raiders.

Bronco fans...it's only going to get worse.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW!!!!!!!!
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
When I moved to Denver in July of 2001...all the locals bragged and bragged about how Denver NEVER lost to the Raiders at home! Since I came to Denver, The Broncos hold a 6-5 series lead at mile high.


So YOUR the problem!!!! In another life I would have blamed the appearing of "Apollo". But, now that we know this, we need to grab your sorry butt and move you to Whitehall, MT and have SportyA field ceremoniously cleansed by the medicine man in Sheep Springs, NM.

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (9/14/2011)]
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
I'd move to Whitehall. But that won't help the Broncos this year. I am a little sad Brandon Llyod is hurt...I have him on my ff team...he's the best receiver I have.

The Broncos are really banged up this week.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
If you play with a bunch of idiots, watch for Colston to hit the wire. Pit's Sanders or Jabar Gaffney might be available, too. I'm semi-sold on Grossman and the 'Skins not being completely terrible.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
Here's a clip from game 2 of Kyle's current 5-18 streak, way back in 2009.

The Broncs get the ball back with 8 minutes to go, miraculously only down 14-10 after Orton had already thrown a pick 6 and another INT. The one touchdown Denver had was defensive. Somehow the defense kept Denver in the game to give Kyle one last shot at redemption. Let's go to the clip.

http://www.nfl.com/videos...lamalu-INT
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
So why does the Broncos 24-22 win over the "bungles" feel like a loss?
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
Kudos to Decker with the "mile high salute" twice!
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Get over it, Rickenhawk. Your boyfriend (Tebow) is not NFL QB material.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 10 years ago
I think they should look to trade Orton to Indy. Everybody wins: Orton can go someplace that he's appreciated (at least for a year) and the Donkey fans can get what they deserve demand: Tebow under center.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 10 years ago
Last game of '09. 4th quarter. Possible playoffs at stake. Broncos still within reach, despite an Orton pick-6 late in the 3rd keeping KC in the lead... Can Kyle redeem himself?

http://www.nfl.com/videos...or-Johnson
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
Hmmmmm not a bad thought actually.... throw in a #2 receiver or a 1st rd. pick in '12 and we've got a deal!
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
Probably be more like a 5th round pick. David Garrard still needs a job and was that the game where Orton shovel-passed to Moreno who ran it in from 80 yards out and the stupid referrees ruled Orton down even though he was clearly not? There were about three plays last year that turned a respectable year into garbage.
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
I went out and picked up Decker for Fantasy this weekend. No Eddie Royal, Banged up Llyod...Decker appears to be the main man in Denver.
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Posted by Patrick Petroff (+69) 10 years ago
Don't forget Orton is a Purdue product, wouldn't be a bad fit in Indianapolis having gone to school 70 miles from there.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
mule train wrote:
I went out and picked up Decker for Fantasy this weekend. No Eddie Royal, Banged up Llyod...Decker appears to be the main man in Denver.



Is this the same ERIC DECKER who was born in COLD SPRING, MN, matriculated at COLD SPRING ROCORI HIGH SCHOOL and THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA? The same Mr. Decker who, while in college, was the favorite target of SHOREVIEW, MINNESOTA QB PHENOM ADAM WEBER????


Wow! It appears to be the same guy!
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
Well I missed Decker on the Waiver wire...appearently someone else watched him in action last week as well. That's okay though....Lloyd should be back and the last thing in the world I would ever want is to have TWO Denver Bronco RFeceivers on my ff team.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
Living in MT I am at the mercy of several thousand die-hard Broncos fanboys. Thusly, I was robbed of Decker during last nights waivers. I was even going to give Plaxico the boot for him.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
Well, Tebow looked pretty sharp in the second half, didn't he?

I didn't see the game, but I listened to it on the satellite radion driving back to Helena yesterday from Miles City, and saw the highlights on SportsCenter. Not a bad performance on the highlight reel, though listening to the play-by-play, it did sound as if he had some McNabb-like moments.

DO THE DONKEYS HAVE A QUARTERBACK CONTROVERSY??!!????
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
DO THE DONKEYS HAVE A QUARTERBACK CONTROVERSY??!!????


No more than the Eagles do.

++++

I don't know if Tebow is the long-term answer for the Broncos, but I know that the bearded-statute-of- liberty-interception-and-tackling-dummy is not. The Broncos should take Orton to Miami and leave him there to play for the "dullfins".

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (10/10/2011)]
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
DO THE DONKEYS HAVE A QUARTERBACK CONTROVERSY??!!????

No more than the Eagles do.


Ummm....Richard...the Eagles have a lot of things wrong, but I can't say I have heard a single Eagles fan say we should bench Vick and play Vince Young.

Just sayin'.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
Well, we know who WON'T be the starting QB for the Donkeys on October 23....that would be the "Best Boyfriend"...

http://sports.yahoo.com/n...nfl-wp9131
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Well, Tebow has been named the starter. Not sure what to think... either we will start winning or continue losing but with a lot more enthusiasm. Either way it will be an improvement.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
Well you get a shot at Miami and two at KC, but no Indianapolis. The schedulers were not terribly kind this year. He has enough legs to open things up more and beating the Jets, SD, or MIN seems plausible, there is 5-11 potential. Orton is still a better QB, but Cam Newton is laying the blue print for how a guy that should always be double covered gets wide open.
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
Tebow for president.
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Posted by Cory Cutting (+1272) 10 years ago
And now....Jesus will save the Broncos! I hate Tebow.
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Posted by Big Dave (+434) 10 years ago
Wow, quite a game today. Up until the 5 minute mark of the 4th quarter, I was thinking about taking up a collection for a Brady Quinn billboard in Denver.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
It's win... against the dull-fins dudfins. The Broncos got very lucky. If Tebow can throw the ball throughout the whole game like the last five minutes, he stands a chance to become a decent quarterback. But the first 53 minutes of that game were pretty sad.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
I found CBS' comparison of Tebow to Bobby Douglass particularly apt.

I also feel bad for you Broncos fans. With Tebow at QB, you're watching an offense that more closely resembles a rugby team than a football team. Brutal.

Joe Procreating Kapp threw a better looking ball than Tebow does.
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Posted by JCF (+393) 10 years ago
Tebow should convert to linebacker.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
I was in Denver last week, and after a heavy night of debauchery, I took a cab back to the airport. On the way, I saw this giant blue horse.... and it spaketh thusly:



"Tebow is my chosen quarterback now, my precious...."
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Is that John Elway?
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1905) 10 years ago
The "Suck for Luck" campaign in Miami is now in full swing.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
Yes it is, Bob...although after watching a bit of the Colts game last night, the Fish have some serious competition.
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Posted by Wayne White (+255) 10 years ago
I guess nobody remembers Elways start
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
I sure do. It was not pretty.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
I remember Elway's start. He threw spirals.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
Not that they're anything similar in style, but Elway's stats in '83 weren't all that impressive either.

123 of 259 attempts for 1663 yards and a completion % of 47.9
7 TD's passing vs. 14 picks
28 sacks and not a single pass completed over 20 yards.

In '84 in 15 games, he went 18 td's and 15 picks with almost 2,600 yards and still no completed passes over 20 yards.

Again he's not anything like John Elway, but give the kid a chance to develop!

One of many stats that do stand out in Elway's profile,
From 1983 to the start of the 1991 season, he never fumbled the ball. What happended in '91 I'm not sure but he made up for it in the next few seasons! lol
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1905) 10 years ago
Elway didn't lead with his skull quite as much.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Ummm... IMO this is ridiculous.

Broncos Tim Tebow Rookie Game Worn Used Pants Team COA

http://www.ebay.com/itm/B...3cbd4c53f2
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
Tebow will be alright. He just need to start to listen to a lot of Led Zeppelin, and start hanging out with Jerry Lee Lewis.
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Posted by Red Neck Girl (+59) 10 years ago
For what it's worth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Tebow


[This message has been edited by Red Neck Girl (10/27/2011)]
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
Tebow!!! TEBOW!!!! TEEEE - BBBBBOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!

The sun is shining here in Denver, Colorado this glorious fall morning. Some say it's God's Country...and his 2nd born is getting ready to stick it to the Lions today for years and years of eating his children!!!!

If I could take back all my years of sin so that Tebow could win today, I would. But I can't, and Tim Tebow can't either...but he'll try and just maybe, just maybe....i'll be reborn a Tebow fan today?????? God (and Tebow) only know.

GO DONKS!!!!
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
that was a bad...really bad...1st half
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Holy crap! Can we put Craig Creamer in...
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 10 years ago
You're telling me that Brady Quinn is worse than that? Yikes.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Both Denver and Detroit have NFL-caliber QBs on their rosters. Sadly, only Detroit played theirs today.

Tebow looks like someone trying to throw a balloon. Sad.
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Posted by Shu (+1794) 10 years ago
Holy crap! Can we put Craig Creamer in...


I may very-well be the only one who knows whom you are referring to, Richard.

The correct spelling would be Cremer, I think...Craig's little brother Marc was the one who won the State Championship - are you sure you don't mean him?

Anyway, if it makes you feel any better, the Broncos aren't the ONLY NFL team having issues at QB - my beloved Raiders lost their starter to a broken collarbone a couple weeks ago and the Raider O hasn't been able to do diddly since that happened...I don't think Carson Rosey-Palm is the answer, either...

...but, oh, I SO want that 6-pack.
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Posted by Cory Cutting (+1272) 10 years ago
Shu how the hell did you become a Raiders fan?

I went to that lousy game today. Last minute decision, 60 bucks for the ticket. The braut was good.... the sun was amazing and shined on my face the entire game. It was an amazing day to spend outdoors.

Of course, that was the only thing that was good about being at the game. It was amazing that 72,000 people can be that quiet when in one large group. At times it was like being all alone in the stadium it was so quiet.

And no chanting "Tebow Tebow" now.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
I think...Craig's little brother Marc was the one who won the State Championship - are you sure you don't mean him?


I think either one of them would have done no worst. I think that much of the problem today was the play calling. The coaches didn't do much to help Tebow have any success. They need to go find the playbook they used with Jake Plummer. Roll Tebow out and let him throw on the run. I also would have played the whole first half in a hurry-up mode. Wear those big defensive linemen out.

The guy I feel bad for is Brady Quinn. I would like to see him get some playing time. He can't be worse than what we saw today. He really hasn't had a fair shot.

Sad, sad, sad.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
Well, I know NO ONE cares how I lost in FF today.......

116.7 to 115.8

One can dissect that score all they want, but what it boils down to is:

Lions DST (My opponent): 32
Giants DST (me): 12

Tebow sucks.
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
I feel your pain big bro....I played against the Lions Def. as well...they put up 29 in my league. I need KC's D to score me 21 tonight...probably not going to happen
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Posted by Jim B (+232) 10 years ago
FOX on line sports has a writer than said he feels the coaches
sabotaged Tebow with the game plan knowing he could not do it.
DUH!! How ridicules that statement sounds. I am not a Tebow fan
but why would someone say that?
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Probably because it might be partially true. I made the very same comment while watching the game. Fox wants a pocket passer that can run his dinosaur-style run-heavy offense. The coaching staff did very little to help Tebow. Right now Fox is on a mission to prove to the Ricky K's of the world that Tebow isn't going to cut it while at the same time keep fans in the seats.
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
Tebow could write his own script and it just isn't going to work. The guy can't throw a pass. Run yes. Pass no.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
"Can you believe `15'?" one Detroit Lions defender asked after his team's 45-10 immolation of Tebow and the Denver Broncos. "Come on - that's embarrassing. I mean, it's a joke. We knew all week that if we brought any kind of defensive pressure, he couldn't do anything. In the second half it got boring out there. We were like, 'Come on - that's your quarterback? Seriously?'"


From Yahoo Sports - Ricky's buddy Michael Silver.
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Posted by Cory Cutting (+1272) 10 years ago
Denver TV sports guy Drew Soicher said on the news last night "There's a joke already going around that you should dress up in a Tebow jersey for Halloween, and when the kids come to the door you should throw the candy 20 yards past them over their head."

Now THATS funny!!!

(Sorry to my mc.com peeps who saw that on my Facebook page... had to share it with everyone!)
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
I've got it!


Tebow just didn't show up to play.
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
Raiders will take their 4th straight win over the Broncos on Sunday. When was the last time that happened?
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Or........................... maybe not. Hey, it could happen.
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Posted by Shu (+1794) 10 years ago
Well, no six pack for me, I guess.

Oh, well.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Stay thirsty my friend.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
Any win over the Raiders > Tebow..... BUT nice 2nd half their young man! I'm betting that one is just a little tough to swallow for all the Raider fans out there.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Cool!! They beat the Chiefs!!!
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
Tebow > Raiders and the Chiefs
I'm cool with that
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
Given the way the Jets are playing tonight, I'd give Timmy an excellent chance for another win Thursday night.
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Posted by Heavychevy (+44) 10 years ago
bahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhahaahaahahahah
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
J-E-T-S. -4.5 will be the play, even with a short week. Single wing prolly won't work this time... Maybe the horsies can bring back the T formation.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
Appropos of nothing, lyrics to Bears fight song, written in 1941:

Bear down, Chicago Bears, make every play clear the way to victory;
Bear down, Chicago Bears, put up a fight with a might so fearlessly.
We'll never forget the way you thrilled the nation, with your T-formation.

Bear down, Chicago Bears, and let them know why you're wearing the crown.
You're the pride and joy of Illinois, Chicago Bears, bear down!!!
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 10 years ago
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
I have my Jet ticket in hand for tomorrow night....should be a good time.
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Posted by Big Dave (+434) 10 years ago
Wow - who da thunk?

Oakland Raiders > < Tebow
Kansas City Chiefs > < Tebow
New York Jets > < Tebow

With some luck, Denver could lead the AFC West come Sunday Evening. Anybody pick it that way? What an interesting NFL season on a whole bunch of fronts.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
Author: Gunnar Emilsson Posted: 11/13/2011 9:42:01 PM From: - MT
Given the way the Jets are playing tonight, I'd give Timmy an excellent chance for another win Thursday night.


I'm a helluva prognosticator. Note that I have NOT predicted any Iggles victories here on mc.com this year.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Wow... back to .500 football.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
I wonder if Elway is worried about his record for 4th quarter comebacks yet! lol

Nicely done Mr Tebow. 6 more wins like that and SOMEONE in the media might give you an ounce of respect! I don't know if I'd hold my breath but it could happen.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Interesting fact: Tebow has a better win record this season than Michael Vick.
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Posted by Big Dave (+434) 10 years ago
For everything else that has happened, young Mr. Tebow has certainly made it interesting - and fun to be a Bronco fan again. In the Kyle Orton era, the Broncos always lost the 4th quarter (or at least it seemed they did). Now you're compelled to watch, because you never know what Tebow will pull out of his butt in the end if it's close.

I'm not sure how long it will last, but it is great fun for now.

Evidently God is a fan of the unlikely 4th quarter comeback.
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
Interesting Fact:

The Broncos have a better defense than Philly.

I was at the game Thursday and sweet Tebow if it wasn't one of the best games that I have ever seen. Sparked with the pick 6 and capped by a holy crusade through 95 yards of hostile country to the holy land. Delivered with a bow...a tebow?
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Gunnar said:
Ummm....Richard...the Eagles have a lot of things wrong, but I can't say I have heard a single Eagles fan say we should bench Vick and play Vince Young.


Umm... how about now
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 10 years ago
Best quote about Tebow yet:

Jake Plummer, "Tebow, regardless of whether I wish he'd just shut up after a game and go hug his teammates, I think he's a winner and I respect that about him. I think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ then I think I'll like him a little better. I don't hate him because of that, I just would rather not have to hear that every single time he takes a good snap or makes a good handoff.like you know, I understand, dude, where you're coming from ... but he is a baller. He knows how to win and when your teammates believe in you that you can do good things and that's what they are doing. They are winning. That's fun to see."

BTW...I don't see Denver beating SD this weekend.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
The Orton era in Denver is OVER!! I envision a scenario where the Broncos will play the Bears with Orton as the QB. How weird will that be...


http://www.denverpost.com...i_19391873
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
If Denver doesn't beat SD, I still expect it to be close. SD's ability to play to the competition is matched only by the Bobcats.

My fantasy season is riding on Tebow's shoulders after some unfortunate drafts and trades (Jamaal Charles, Chris Johnson for Mike Wallace), but all I can think when I watch him is that Ronnie Brown was a better passer out of the wildcat.
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Posted by Cory Cutting (+1272) 10 years ago
I have totally given up on my fantasy team. I picked Chris Johnson as first draft pick this year instead of Brady thinking that Johnson was the man based upon what every flapping gum said before the season, and no one was going to take Brady in the first round. Well, Brady was gone and Johnson has turned out to be a fantasy flop.

No one in my fantasy league will touch Tebow... the way our league is scored, he would kill a team off with only 8 passes a game.

I still think they should put Quinn in and lets see what he's got.

And I TOTALLY agree with Plummer. I don't want to see them praying every time something happens and in a big prayer circle after the game. Play football, get beat up a bit, and shut the hell up. He said on every interview in Denver last week "First and foremost I want to thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ for the win."
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
Ok since no one else has brought this thread back around, I'll stand up and take it this week!

Say what you will (myself included), love him or hate him, he's STILL winning games. Does Mr Tebow have help in that feat? Absolutely. Thanks to a revived running game, and a defense that is actually stepping up and playing ball, we have a legitimate chance to be in the hunt. Those $#@%# Raiders are still a game ahead of us, BUT they're the Raiders. They will find a way to mess that up!

With any luck at all, A.P. won't play again this week for the Vikes, and looks like they're sticking with Heine in Chicago. Once again there are 2 more games we at the very least we have a chance of winning.

If Tebow could have the time in the pocket that San Diego gave him, he might just start to look like a "real" QB. Critics can say what they want, but I have as of yet to hear ANT of them truely explain why the Option/Triple Option/Wishbone won't continue to work. I see it as an offensive scheme the same as the West Coast, 2 back set, etc etc that are played today. Every team knows what offense the other team is going to run, and even in knowing that, THAT offense is still used and successful, so why not the Option?? IF you can defend McGahee/Royal/Tebow and do it every single down, then I want to see it. Not a single team out there defends the West Coast offense every single down to the point of critics saying "it won't work" so what makes the Option offense different? So far the only reason I've heard anyone come up with is thst Tebow will take too many hits? Really?? I think he's big enough to take a few hits here and there. Big Ben has taken more sacks/hits then most all QB's in the league and he's still under center.

I wouldn't yet compare our defense to theirs, but this team remind me a lot of a team back in 2000 that everyone said would never win the Big One BECAUSE of their quarterback, but last I checked, Trent Dilfer still has a ring to wear. A long shot? Hell yes! Possible? yes
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
At least it is fun to watch. We will have a better idea of where we are after playing the Viqueens and the Bears which is hard to do playing other AFC-West teams. I think both games are winnable.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
I think Tebow is an amazing quarterback, and I'm not even an atheist.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
November '11
Denver weather fine
It was business as usual
At Mile High

Oh Tebow, Tebow, because Tebow
Oh Tebow, Tebow, because Tebow
Yihla Moja, Yihla Moja
-The man wins again
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
You can't blame the guy for the butterfinger plays last week. The defense is good enough and the schedule weakened enough by injuries they might sweep the rest of the season.
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Posted by Mathew Schmitz (+284) 10 years ago
Tebow has shown me nothing that makes me believe he can be a big time qb in the NFL. But, if you give me 22 guys with his drive and will to win, we will never lose a game. The option does not expose him to a few hits now and then. He is fair game on just about every play. Another week or so of film on him, and he is gonna get layed out on every play. The thought that somebody posting here is that much smarter than NFL coaches and defensive players is ridiculous. If the option was a legitimate offense, it would have been the rage in the NFL several decades ago. Don't get me wrong. It's fun to watch, but why do you suppose the Patriots don't run it? Or the Packers? Because they value their quarterbacks, and the option is certainly gonna put your multi million dollar man in the hospital. Once he pitches the ball, he is fair game for any defender to make a name for himself. It's just a matter of time until NFL defenders decide to crush him, on every play. He just won't last long once that starts.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
Unless they invent new rules. It's 15 yards for messing up Tom Brady's bangs.

[This message has been edited by Buck Showalter (11/30/2011)]
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
Mathew- I'm certainly not trying to imply that I'm smarter then NFL coaches and/or their defense. All I'm asking here is for an explanation as to WHY the option can't be successful if for no other reason then exposing the QB to big hits. From an Elway/Fox perspective and not that either of them would admit to it, but do you honestly think they're worried about Tebow taking big hits? It seems to me that neither of them asked to have him, so why not use his talents to "win games" now, and worry about finding a franchise QB later. Tebow is a product of the McDaniel's draft and all they're trying to do is give the people what they want, AND hopefully win games while it's happening. I honestly don't see Tebow having more then a 2 year future in Denver at the most anyway, so they're getting what they can, while they can.

To my original point though, other then hits on the QB, why can't the option offense work?
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 10 years ago
According to the idiots playing for NYJ, it's because defensive backs are too fast and running backs and QBs can't beat them to the edge. They said something to the effect of, "Unless it's Mike Vick and Chris Johnson, the fastest guys in the game..." Man the Jets are some idiots...
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 10 years ago
And here we are once again with another win under our belts amd the #1 spot in AFC West!

What a mail biter amd yes it probably would have been different with A.P. in the game but the same could be said for Mr. Miller also. Great game Tebow, McGahee, D. Thomas, Mario Haggan, and everyone else.

Never want to see anyone injured (ok maybe Rivers) bur we seem to be catching the competition at just the right time. The Bears are next with no Cutler, and now no Forte. What are the odds that Tom Brady could get a bum throwing shoulder and have to sit out when we play them?
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 10 years ago
Wasn't there a couple of chuckleheads here at mc.com who last week were trying to tell me that Tebow is not an amazing QB?
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Chris... you actually chew on postage stamps?

Was a good game. I was most impressed with running a more conventional offense in the second half. Tim made some nice throws.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 10 years ago
Have the Broncos played a really good defense yet? I have a feeling if they play Baltimore in the playoffs Tebow will leave on a stretcher.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1905) 10 years ago
Levi. They played Detroit before the Lions imploded. Not pretty.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 9 years ago
Richard, yes unfortuantly I do tend to chew on the mail every once in awhile. Usually it's the Figi's catalog with all the meat and cheese trays as they're too expensive to buy, so I try to go for the next best thing.

Levi, if we should happen to beat the Bears this weekend, would that answer your question of defenses? As for top rated defenses, I don't think we've had that oppurtunity yet, but the Chiefs, Jets, and even the Vikings are all at least middle of the pack. Depending on how you rate a defense, the Packers are the #1 team in football overall, but their defense is certainly not a juggernaut. They are oppurtunistic in the takeaways much like the Saints of a couple years ago, but they definatly have their flaws. The Saints are much the same this year.

I forsee an offensive superpower from the NFC going up against a defensive superpower from the AFc in the Superbowl this year. The old saying goes "Offense wins games, but defense wins championships" may just ring true again this year. I did pick the Packers to repeat this year before the season started and have them going against Houston. Time will tell

To the Broncos however, I say if our defense keeps playing the way they have (minus the 350 yds in the Minn. game), we have a legitimate chance against anyone.
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 9 years ago
Check out my new tattoo...

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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 9 years ago
Chris,

Levi, if we should happen to beat the Bears this weekend, would that answer your question of defenses?


Chris, I will be at this game. You really think, with the state of injury the Bears are in, that the Broncos shouldn't be expected to win the game? This will be no miracle win.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 9 years ago
Tebow doesn't have to beat the Bear's offense Denise (where all of the Bears major injuries are at). Tebow plays against their defense and their defense is as good and healthy as they've ever been. I don't see this game as a "miracle win" either way, but Tebow's performance can still be gauged against a defense that's pretty dang good, win or lose.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 9 years ago
The Bears are ranked 20th in total defense right now, so no.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 9 years ago
The Bears are ranked 20th in total defense right now, so no.


Exactly. Combine that with a devastated offense, and this should be one in the win column for the Broncos.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 9 years ago
I feel so... dirty... picking the Broncos this weekend.

At least my hatred of Elway was pure and uncomplicated - he kept beating my Browns in the playoffs.

Tebow asks me to be complicit in my own degradation - my decision to hate Denver forever must be set aside for considerations of filthy filthy lucre.

On the other hand, the guy who can catch me in the pool is a HUGE Bears fan, so this will hurt him far more than it does me.
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 9 years ago
If I win this week in FF...I am in the playoffs. I play against the Bears Defense....GO TEBLOW!!!
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Posted by Barb Holcomb (+406) 9 years ago
. . . and, he does it again thanks to Marion Barber being asleep at the wheel and poor pass receiver coverage from the Bears. Nice job from the field goal kicker. Exciting ending anyway. Hope you had fun at the game, Denise.

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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 9 years ago
Honestly, I did not. The entire game, until 4th quarter, Broncos fans would tell any Bears fan to sit the "F" down or shut the "F" up or some other lovely instruction, including my children who would cheer for their team. I politely asked one such fan to stop dropping F bombs to my kids, to which she replied shut the F up bitch. Cut to the first Bronco touchdown, and all these same fans are standing up, screaming and taunting Bears fans, including my kids, with more swear words. I was surprised I hauled my husband out without an arrest after one Bronco fan put his face within an inch of my husband's and taunted and screamed at him, even though my husband said not one word the entire game.

Quite honestly, I expected this not to be a close game. The Bears offense is devastated and the defense is so-so. The Broncos should have won this game. And yet all I heard yelled throughout the stadium and the tunnel was "Tebow, Tebow". Prater won that game, plain and simple, yet no mention of him. I actually had a woman behind me say "Please, Jesus, guide Tebow". Ridiculous. Like the Holy Trinity gives two rips about American football.
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Posted by Wayne White (+255) 9 years ago
Watch next week Mr. Brady will do some of his magic. The defense has been holding the team up, are they good? Timmy is not the QB of the future for Denver, he has the worst case of happy feet I have ever seen. Wasnt there but apoligise for the rudness, the same people will be saying the same thing about Tim when they start losing, which they will.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 9 years ago
I loved the shots of Mr. Ed in the booth, looking like someone next to him just passed gas. High comedy.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 9 years ago
I loved the shots of Mr. Ed in the booth, looking like someone next to him just passed gas.


Probably has to do with the unpleasant task ahead of Elway telling the fans that Tebow is not the franchise QB of the future.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 9 years ago
Denise:

Sorry about your less than stellar experience in Denver. I've always found it prudent to not wear the colors of the visiting team.

The lone exception is Green Bay, never have had any trouble there.

Too many angry, drunk people at NFL games.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 9 years ago
Yeah, the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on all of the brand new, shiny Tebow gear sported by Broncos fans will be seen swirling down the drain soon. Could someone point out to me one single thing Tebow did in yesterday's game that any college-level QB, and even many high school-level QBs, wouldn't have done? I saw nothing spectacular, other than some super awesome field goals, and some really terrible defense. Even Broncos fans around me, as Tebow would throw another pass ten yards past/over the receiver, would say, "That's okay Timmy, you're getting closer." Yet, they would scream at their receivers for not catching the ball. Why are Tebow's very obvious shortcomings overlooked? It was a surreal experience.

I really liked when the Broncos fan asked us where our cheering was now, after the first Bronco touchdown. Uhhh....exactly where yours was 90% of the game. Beating mediocre teams in the closing minutes of each game week in and week out is not going to translate into a Super Bowl, people. Just in case you were wondering.

Bob, actually my son and I wore our BSU game gear, so I was a little concerned that I would be confused for a Denver fan. Lol.

[This message has been edited by Denise Selk (12/12/2011)]
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 9 years ago
I can't believe there are people on this thread downplaying the accomplishments of the MILE HIGH MESSIAH!
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1905) 9 years ago
How can anyone not love Tebow. To listen to the FB talking-heads, you'd think he kept the "vaunted Bear's offense" at bay, caught the very passes he threw, designed the offense for himself and kicked the tying and winning field goals(averaging about 54 yards) himself.

The sad thing for me is, the Broncos are in the AFC West,crappiest division in the AFC, if not in the whole NFL. Two of their next three games are very winnable, for anybody. Outside of Oakland, San Diego has two tough games and Oakland has to play Detroit before they play SD and KC. The Broncos will be in the playoffs this year, but next year year, except for the AFC West, they'll have to play a tougher schedule.
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Posted by Shu (+1794) 9 years ago
Sorry about your less than stellar experience in Denver. I've always found it prudent to not wear the colors of the visiting team.

The lone exception is Green Bay, never have had any trouble there.


Actually, I've found that Vikings games at the Metrodome are pretty civil to fans in opposing apparel, too. I recently took my daughter to the Vikes vs. Raiders and I was wearing Raider gear...as were a pretty good number of the fans in attendance. I didn't get any hostile treatment or attitude from anyone at all.

As to all the Bronco fans out there who are praising Tebow as the Messiah - enjoy his present success while you can. That's all I have to say.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 9 years ago
I don't envy John Elway. At some point he will have to tell a fan base, drunk on Coors light and Tebowism, that Tebow is not the Broncos franchise QB of the future. That message is not going to be well received. You cannot build a dynasty on 58 minutes of garbage offense and 2 minutes of the other team playing prevent defense or blitzing out of a prevent defense.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 9 years ago
Shu:

Vikings/Packers games at the Metrodome are pretty bad (I'm a Vikings fan.)

At the last Viking/Packer game I attended, a melee broke out in our section (end zone bleeder seats). Ugly. Luckily, I was four rows down and no drunk guys fell on me...
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Posted by Wayne White (+255) 9 years ago
Watch Eli Mannings feet when he drops back to pass, then watch Timmys....HAPPY FEET.k He must have learned that move from Stevfe Martin.
You are right Richard, number 7 will fall from the grace of God when he has to make that announcement.
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Posted by cbadnmb2001 (+37) 9 years ago
Fisrt to the Selk Family, I am sorry that you all were given a rough time by the Donco...I am sorry Bronco fans, nice to hear they finally win a game against a depleted team and they all shout for Teblow...UGH...STUPID!!
A true football fan knows that Teblow has done nothing but ride the defense's hard work and efforts, funny thing the Broncos offense sucks the enitire game for oh say the last 7-8 weeks...teams go soft on defense, make stupid mistakes and Teblow gets the credit beciuse Denver steals the game in the fourth...well Donco fans good luck against Mr. Brady and company.
As for the comment about not wearing opposing teams gear to games, I have been to many NFL games and I proudly wear my Bears gear and the only place I have ever taken crap is Denver...classy real classy...NOT!
In closing, lets see all you donco and Timmy Teblow fans out in force after the Brady led Patriots kick your ...lets say donkey...you will then play the terrible Bills and Chiefs make the playoffs and get drummed out. To the Denvcer fans...at least to the classless group...get a freakin life trying to intimidate someone who is there with children trying to enjoy the NFL
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 9 years ago
Wow, Cbad I take it you're not a fan of the Broncos. I could say "sour grapes" but then again as a Bear's fan, what do you have to be sweet over since 1985? The best thing the Bears did was to take Cutler off our hands. You can deal with the Cannon Arm that's more likely to pout then pass when it comes down to trying to make a play against a tough defense.

For those of you following this thread, you know good and well that I started out far removed from any Tebow bandwagon, and haven't given much more credit then he's due. That being said, give credit where credit is due. Tebow, much like every other starting QB in the league, will be given the chance during a game, to play against a prevent defense. It's not anything specific to Tebow, or the Broncos, or Mile High. If you don't like how he does against your prevent defense, DON'T PLAY IT! In the Bears game, he was 3 for 16 in the first 3 quarters. One point that always seems to get left out by the Tebow critics is the fact that there were at the very least, 5 catchable balls that receivers dropped. One was an almost guarenteed 6 points, and 2 others were drive extending 1st downs in Bear's territory. That puts him at .500 and a game total of 20 f0r 40 for 200+ yds, a TD, and a pick. I'm thinking there's at least 16 to 20 teams out there that would take that kind of day from their QB amd be ready to play him again the next week.

Will the Broncos beat the Pats? In my heart I think yes. But if I had to put money on it, I'd probably put it in on the Pats based on Brady and he ridiculous ways when it comes time for Dec./Jan. football. The kicker is, you have NO IDEA what Tebow and the Broncos will do against the Pats. Brady is Brady and always will be. With Welker and Gronk, and an unselfish offense, it's hard for anyone to keep up with in points. Their defense however is so absolutely horrible that they made the Redskins look good, so in that I say Tebow and company have all the chances in the world to exploit it. Hopefully we can run the ball down their throats, chew up the clock, and won't have to throw 40 times. The Bronco's defense will be the biggest key in how we play Brady. I say unleash Miller for the 1st quarter and if he's in Brady's face keeo it up. If we can't get to Brady then we sure as hell better keep the ball out of Gronk's hands.

As for Tebow's future in Denver, I'll bet my paycheck that WHEN we make the playoffs, Tebow's future will be safe in Denver for at least another season after this one. QB of the future? Who knows. QB of the next couple of years? I'm betting so.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 9 years ago
Umm... Tom Brady is 1 and 6 against the Broncos. Denver leads the series 25-16. Just sayn'
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 9 years ago
Brady vs. Tebow:

http://espn.go.com/espn/s...-your-pick

John Fox is a defensive genius. He will take Welker and Gruntkowski out of the game, and Brady will be left with nothing. This will give Tebow his opportunity.

My prediction: Broncos 17, Patriots 13.

.....if the game is played fairly.

If Belichick finds a way to cheat:

Patriots 34, Broncos 6.

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Posted by SeptyTwo (+673) 9 years ago
Super Bowl:

49er's vs Broncos

It will be a repeat of their previous matchup in the Superbowl

Niner's win 55 - 10

mmmmmmm..... sounds good


(waking up now, am I dreaming?)
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Posted by cbt (+94) 9 years ago
Whether Tebow's success is short term or long term...I'm lovin' the enthusiasm he's bringing to the game and I'm not a Bronco's fan. It is such a nice change from self-proclaimed diva's such as T.O or Ochocinco, and the awful M. Vick and his unspeakable acts. I don't ever see me being a Bronco's fan but I hope Tebow is around a long time.

[This message has been edited by cbt (12/17/2011)]
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 9 years ago
Why, dear Lord, hath thou forsaken Tebow????

Why hath thou given thy blessing to one who consorts with harlots????

WHY?!??!!!!?????

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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 9 years ago
From a friend's FB status....

Tom Brady, after living a full life, died. When he got to heaven, God was showing him around. They came to a modest little house with a faded Patriots flag in the window.

"This house is yours for eternity Tom, said God. "This is very special; not everyone gets a house up here."

Tom felt special, indeed, and walked up to his house. On his way up the porch, he noticed another house just around the corner. It was a huge 3-story mansion with Orange and Blue sidewalks and drive ways, a 50 foot tall flagpole with an enormous Broncos logo flag waving, a swimming pool in shape of a horse, a Broncos logo in every window, and a Tim Tebow jersey on the front door.

Tom looked at God and said "God, I'm not trying to be ungrateful, but I have a question. I was an all-pro QB, I won 3 Super Bowls, and I even went to the Hall of Fame."

God said "So what's your point Tom?" "Well, why does Tim Tebow get a better house than me?"

God chuckled, and said "Tom, that's not Tim's house, it's mine."
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 9 years ago
NOW that is funny!
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Posted by Herbie (+115) 9 years ago
The Donkeys are just good enough to beat the bad teams. Loved the game yesterday. Denver is way over rated!
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 9 years ago
Since the 49ers are on Monday night this week I watched my first full Broncos game of the year and I have to say that Tebow would make a very good running back. Possibly a tight end if he can catch.

Watching him run backwards half the length of the field and then Phil Simms saying "I wasn't fast enough to ever lose 29 yards" was a definite LOL moment.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 9 years ago
Not hating on Turbo, but the BEST THING EVER would be Neck Beard coming into Mile High and beating the Donkeys in two weeks.


That will be a tall order, especially with Romeo Crennel calling the plays. They showed a closeup of the laminated card Crennel was using yesterday, it was actually a Gates BBQ menu.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 9 years ago
[This message has been edited by Bob L. (12/19/2011)]
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 9 years ago
Levi I just wanted to say I'm sorry that the first full Bronco's game you watched this year was this last one. Despite what the "Donkey Critics" would have you believe. the 1st quarter was more to what we've seen this year versus the other 3 quarters. Anyone who watches football knows that against New England you might get away with one turnover and still win, 2 is a long shot for the best of teams, and 3? Well let's just say even Devine Intervention wasn't bringing us back from that one. It should be noted that only one of those 3 turnovers was the fault of Mr Tebow. I know it will always be this way in any sport, but sometimes I do wish people could learn to just sit back and enjoy watching a young kid with plenty of RAW talent, develop into something that all his critics continue to say he'll never be. All it takes is time
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 9 years ago
Chris wrote:
Despite what the "Donkey Critics" would have you believe. the 1st quarter was more to what we've seen this year versus the other 3 quarters.



Are you high?

Did you watch the Chicago game? You do remember that Denver scored exactly zero points until the Bears started playing their safeties 30 yards from scrimmage.

To quote Rick Reilly, "Driving your team downfield for a 59 yard field goal is like taking your pregnant wife half way to the hospital."
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 9 years ago
To quote Rick Reilly, "Driving your team downfield for a 59 yard field goal is like taking your pregnant wife half way to the hospital."


And to quote Al Davis... JUST WIN, BABY!!!!
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Posted by SeptyTwo (+673) 9 years ago
It doesn't matter anymore...

All the above posts are now moot...

Last night the Superbowl has been decided...


dang... could I still be sleeping... dreaming?
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 9 years ago
My favorite quote, so far, by Charles P. Pierce...

The available evidence indicates that Tim Tebow can control a game just well enough to put his kicker in position to nail one from 59 yards to tie a team that yesterday lost by 24 points to the Seattle Seahawks. Compelling? Not as a player. Not yet.
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 9 years ago
now taking bets for denver vs. kc in two weeks....I'll say neck beard wins!
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1905) 9 years ago
"I'll say neck beard wins!"

Which would be totally ironically procreateing awesome!
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Posted by Herbie (+115) 9 years ago
Oakland will win the division....
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 9 years ago
So this is setting up just the way that Mr. Elway planned. Tebow against Orton. It will be a clear demonstration of why Tebow isn't the long term answer at QB and that Denver needs to draft someone who will be better than either of these two.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 9 years ago
I cannot believe, that on this day, of all days, you have lost your faith, Richard.

Halleluja Mile High Messiah!
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Posted by mule train (+1055) 9 years ago
I'm with Herbie
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 9 years ago
What a great win for Mr. Elway today.

It was clear that dismissal of Orton was justified and that the Broncos can now go pursue a real quarterback to replace Tebow. Tebow flat hasn't gotten it done in the last three games. Adam Weber has to be better than Tebow.

Winning the division has a rather hollow feeling to it.
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Posted by Big Dave (+434) 9 years ago
Tebow was afraid to throw the ball. They showed at least a half dozen times where receivers were wide open and he never threw it. One other interesting point from the talking heads. They were at Broncos' practice and had never seen a practice where a quarterback had spent so much time throwing the ball. 1,000 passes every day in practice and this is the result???

On the bright side, it has been a much more fun and interesting season than I thought it would be. The Broncos winning more than 4 games seemed like a pipe dream. Defense was good for the most part, offensive line has been great, there are some pretty good skill position players, now if we can just get a quarterback who can complete a pass on a somewhat regular basis.

And who knows, they still have one more game to play and I've yet to see a game won or lost on paper (or Milescity.com for that matter). Maybe they have another surprise or two in them. Go Broncos
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 9 years ago
As long as Denver keeps Turbo, their biggest need is a receiver or two that can beat press coverage. That probably won't be enough, however, as Turbo can't throw the ball downfield with any accuracy.


Because I'm not a Donkey fan, I'm rooting for them to keep Turbo as the starter in 2012. He's not an NFL QB. By next year, the other AFC West teams will do an even better job stopping Denver's simplistic offense.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 9 years ago
Yesterday did prove one thing, though....

Tebow > the Raiders
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 9 years ago
Whatever happens to the Broncos in the playoffs, at least they have this:

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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 9 years ago
I could watch THAT for hours.
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Posted by Shu (+1794) 9 years ago
Yesterday did prove one thing, though....

Tebow > the Raiders


ummm...no, it did not prove that at all.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 9 years ago
True.... it prooved that Raiders < winning
better?

Awww for as much as I dislike the Raiders (though anymore I dislike the Chargers even more so), I do have to say that losing their starting Qb amd their starting Pro Bowl caliber running back, didn't exactly do them any favors. Al Davis finally kicking the bucket ALMOST offset that, but not quite!
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 9 years ago
They did say today that Elway has talked to Tebow and pretty much told him to forget about everything else and just "go out there and pull the trigger!"

In other words, I'm thinking the cheerleaders should probably wear helmets this week as balls may be flying everywhere!
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 9 years ago
+1 Chris
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 9 years ago
Forget the Tea partyRepublican primaries.....Tebow for President!!!!

Go Donkeys! Kick Brady and The Cheater's arse!
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Posted by Big Dave (+434) 9 years ago
WOW

Great day to be a Bronco's fan.

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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 9 years ago
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!




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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+385) 9 years ago
Well if nothing else, that outta shut em up for a couple of days!
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 9 years ago
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Posted by SeptyTwo (+673) 9 years ago
49ers...

'nuff said
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 9 years ago
Best quote of the game so far..."The only way the Broncos come back in the second half is if Brady goes to play for the Broncos." Good one Marino. Lol. What a difference it makes to play a healthy, fully intact team.
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