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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
Go Michele!




Pelican can't pronounce "chutzpah." And uses it in the wrong context. You can't make it up.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6172) 10 years ago
Come on. Give a little white girl from Minnesota a break. She probably never met a Jew until she went to Congress.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
The stupid just oozes out of Ms. Bachmann.

Once again, YOUR Republican frontrunner, ladies and gents!
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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
And Wendy...I grew up in Minnesota, and I knew how to pronounce "chutzpah" correctly when I was like, 8.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15082) 10 years ago
On what are you basing the claim that she is the "frontrunner"? Shrillness? I'd have to agree. If the choice comes down to her or Obama, (can't believe I am gonna say this) I'll vote Obama.

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Meanwhile: Gary Johnson Calls Family Leader Pledge "Offensive and Unrepublican"

July 9, 2011, Las Vegas, Nevada - Presidential candidate and former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson charged today in a formal statement through his campaign that the Family Leader "pledge" Republican candidates for President are being asked to sign is "offensive to the principles of liberty and freedom on which this country was founded". Governor Johnson also plans to further state his position against the Family Leader pledge this afternoon in Las Vegas, NV at a speech he will deliver at the Conservative Leadership Conference.

Johnson went on to state that "the so-called `Marriage Vow" pledge that FAMILY LEADER is asking Republican candidates for President to sign attacks minority segments of our population and attempts to prevent and eliminate personal freedom. This type of rhetoric is what gives Republicans a bad name.

"Government should not be involved in the bedrooms of consenting adults. I have always been a strong advocate of liberty and freedom from unnecessary government intervention into our lives. The freedoms that our forefathers fought for in this country are sacred and must be preserved. The Republican Party cannot be sidetracked into discussing these morally judgmental issues - such a discussion is simply wrongheaded. We need to maintain our position as the party of efficient government management and the watchdogs of the "public's pocket book".

"This `pledge' is nothing short of a promise to discriminate against everyone who makes a personal choice that doesn't fit into a particular definition of `virtue'.

While the Family Leader pledge covers just about every other so-called virtue they can think of, the one that is conspicuously missing is tolerance. In one concise document, they manage to condemn gays, single parents, single individuals, divorcees, Muslims, gays in the military, unmarried couples, women who choose to have abortions, and everyone else who doesn't fit in a Norman Rockwell painting.

The Republican Party cannot afford to have a Presidential candidate who condones intolerance, bigotry and the denial of liberty to the citizens of this country. If we nominate such a candidate, we will never capture the White House in 2012. If candidates who sign this pledge somehow think they are scoring some points with some core constituency of the Republican Party, they are doing so at the peril of writing off the vast majority of Americans who want no part of this `pledge' and its offensive language.


Gary Johnson Calls Family...epublican"

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Posted by Steve Allison (+976) 10 years ago
Richard, I think you will have trouble hearing anything from reasonable Republicans or reasonable Democrats. Too many people just want to hear the extremes scream at each other, achieving nothing.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6172) 10 years ago
I agree with Steve completely.

Bob L.,

My mom grew up in Minnesota also and knows not only how to pronounce "chutzpah" but could also list 25 synonyms.

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Posted by Denise Selk (+1665) 10 years ago
Hear, hear Gary Johnson.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11978) 10 years ago
http://www.mail.com/news/...ge-hero1-2

These religious extremist must not rule in our country or it will cease to be OUR country. I do NOT want to live under a so-called "Christian" theocracy. It is appalling that in the 21st century, this sort of bigotry should be on display, let alone supported by the ignorant and the frightened.
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Posted by Jan Cornutt (+270) 10 years ago
Our nation was founded on Christian principles and has existed on christian principles since it's beginning. No one says you have to believe in these principles to live in the U.S. The U.S. stands for freedom of religion and the persuit of happiness. I have no problem with muslims living here, but they must comply with U.S. law just as the Christians do and they can abide by sharia law except where it is in violation of U.S. law. If these muslims can't do that then they can leave. The radical extremist muslims can just not show up, there is no place in the U.S. for them. ...korkyII
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Posted by Kelly (+2745) 10 years ago
Our nation was founded on Christian principles and has existed on christian principles since it's beginning.


"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,-and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

PRESIDENT John Adams, Treaty of Tripoli, 1797

Christian nation, my a$$.

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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15082) 10 years ago
Our nation was founded on Christian principles and has existed on christian principles since it's beginning.


Yeah, I used to believe that rot. Then I did a bunch of research and figured out that it is not true. Perhaps you should study harder. First of all, the founders were mostly deists. How could they found a "Christian" country if they are not Christians?
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6172) 10 years ago
korky II,

You are exactly the type of person that the Constitution is meant to protect us from. Thank you for reminding me.
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Posted by Mellow (+76) 10 years ago
It scares me to read all the negative comments about Christians, not only on this site, but around the world!
Which one of the Ten Commandments bothers you so much?
What is wrong with "love your neighbor"?
What is wrong with "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?
What is wrong with live right and do good, and love the Creator of it all?
Did some self-righteous Christian, who didn't know any better, hurt your feelings? Did it make you rebel against God? Satan's goal = "The thief (Satan) comes only to steal and kill and destroy." John 10:10 - did he win your soul?
Christian principles - What is wrong with freedom of choice? I thought that was what this country was founded on. You can choose God, or not - it's your choice. If someone loves you enough to share his faith with you, consider yourself loved.

Partial note from: The Texas governor, Rick Perry

In 1774, at the Continental Congress when they got together and penned that first document, they talked about "life" and "liberty." Interestingly, the third thing they talked about was "property." A couple of years later, when they actually wrote the Declaration, they changed that "property" to "the pursuit of happiness." I just signed a piece of legislation today, the immanent domain legislation... I tell people, that "personal property" and the ownership of that personal property is crucial to our way of life. Our founding fathers understood that it was a very important part of the pursuit of happiness. Being able to own things that are your own is one of the things that make's America unique. But I happen to think that it's in jeopardy.
It's in jeopardy because of taxes; it's in jeopardy because of regulation; it's in jeopardy because of a legal system that's run amuck. And I think it's time for us to just hand it over to God and say, "God, You're going to have to fix this." (I think it was Herman Cain who stood up the other day and said, "How's that "Hope and Change" thing working out for you?") I think it's time for us to use our wisdom and our influence and really put it in God's hands. That's what I'm going to do, and I hope you'll join me. I hope you'll join us in Houston on the 6th day of August and really start a revival across this country.
Here's what I want to leave you with. I know from time to time, people will say something like, "There goes Perry. He wants to secede." But I love this country. We're a special place. We were created by God-fearing individuals who understood those biblical values and how powerful they could be and would be in the future. And I suggest that for our country, our best days are ahead if we'll get on our knees and ask God to take over and give us wisdom. I may wear the Lord out every day in prayer. I pray for this country. I pray for restoration for this country. I pray for our president every day. I pray that God turns buckets of wisdom out on his head, that God will open his eyes. We can change this country, but it requires our giving it to Him and letting Him guide us.
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Posted by Jan Cornutt (+270) 10 years ago
I agree Mellow. I have been staying out of all this jibberish nonsense on milescity.com but when I see them posting anti-christian articles, I can't help but say something. They really have nothing to good to say about anything and they are so negative about everything.....korkyII
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 10 years ago
You guys are procreateing terrifying. I'm glad I live in Montana - Schweitzer promised he'd "hand the reins over" to Cthulhu when the time is right.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15082) 10 years ago
It scares me to read all the negative comments about Christians, not only on this site, but around the world!
Which one of the Ten Commandments bothers you so much?
What is wrong with "love your neighbor"?
What is wrong with "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?
What is wrong with live right and do good, and love the Creator of it all?
Did some self-righteous Christian, who didn't know any better, hurt your feelings? Did it make you rebel against God? Satan's goal = "The thief (Satan) comes only to steal and kill and destroy." John 10:10 - did he win your soul?
Christian principles - What is wrong with freedom of choice? I thought that was what this country was founded on. You can choose God, or not - it's your choice. If someone loves you enough to share his faith with you, consider yourself loved.


Very few, if any, here at Milescity.com have anything against Christians, per say. Where most take issue is with claims that aren't true, such as "THE US was FOUNDED AS A CHRISTIAN NATION". If you research the history of the colonies, you will note that they are formed along denominational boundaries. If you were not a Baptist, for example, you were not welcome in Virginia. There were several groups, such as Catholicism that were hated by most all of the colonies.

The genius of the constitution is that it provided a way for all of these colonies to work together and form a national government, mostly for common defense purposes, without representing a particular denominational point of view or theology.

Most of the people involved in this process were actually deist. Deist believe in God, but not in the inerrancy of scripture, miracles, or the Trinity. Christians are required to believe in all these things. So you cannot say the "US was FOUNDED AS A CHRISTIAN NATION" and be truthful.

A couple of other things: the 10 commandments were actually given to the Jewish people first. Yes, Christianity has roots in the 10 commandments. But the 10 Commandments are not exclusively "Christian". There are many other peoples in the world who have a similar "code of conduct". Even the atheists believe that children should honor their parents, not tell lies, not steal, love your neighbor as you love yourself. None of your "list" requires the notion that one must be a Christian. The most precious freedom each of us has is that we are free to practice our "faith" as we see fit.

Further, AT THE ROOT of most of the "We are a Christian Nation" theory is an Augustin/puritanical view of sexuality being thrust upon people, "because the Bible tells me so" by people who don't really have a clue what the Bible actually SAYS about sexuality/morality. Most of what the Christian church teaches today as LAW on sexual matters is incorrect. The message of Scripture on this issue begin to be altered starting in about 150 AD. Augustin of Hippo further convoluted the message and convinced Catholicism to push forward his warped ideas. The Puritans further convoluted what the Bible says about sexuality. The Bible truthfully condemns only, rape, bestiality, incest, and pedophilia. That is it. I'd recommend a book entitled Devine Sex: Liberating Sex from Religious Tradition to learn more on this subject.

This country was founded on the notion that each man can worship or not worship the Deity of his choosing, free from the fear of an established state theology. Unfortunately, much of the current Republican party is TOO interested in establishing a theocracy that the founders did not intend. Much of the intent of that republican theocracy is aimed at telling people how they can behave in their own bedrooms. The founders never intended the establishment of such a theocracy and it is comments supportive of such actions that elicit the so-called "negative comments" from most posters on MC.com.

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Posted by Kelly (+2745) 10 years ago
Richard,
Thanks for the great post.


Korky II
How many times are god &/or Jesus mentioned in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence? ZERO
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6172) 10 years ago
I wonder how well Mellow and Jan Cornutt would do on the religion section of our quiz?
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Posted by Kelly (+2745) 10 years ago
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Posted by Jan Cornutt (+270) 10 years ago
Kelly, It is printed on our money and is in our pledge of allegance..One Nation under God, In God we Trust. Why is it mentioned there ?.....korkyII
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11978) 10 years ago
I scored 20 out of 21 and I knew the right answer but wavered and clicked the wrong one. Woot!

Nope, we are not a "Christian" nation. We are nation of all faiths, all creeds, all ethnic backgrounds and we should be PROUD of that.

I have nothing against Christians. Some of my best friends are. What I have a problem with is so-called "Christians" trying to create a theocracy in the name of their faith and claiming that is what the Founding Fathers intended.

The Pledge of Allegiance, which is NOT a government document in any way, shape or form, did NOT have the words "under God" in the original. That was added during the McCarthy days of the 1950's when we were all panicked over commies. Ditto with the printing on money. The Masonic symbols are old but the God thing is new.

Do your research, people, or you look ignorant.

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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6172) 10 years ago
Good quiz, Kelly. I only got a 16. Those damned Puritans tripped me up.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15082) 10 years ago
t is printed on our money and is in our pledge of allegance..One Nation under God, In God we Trust. Why is it mentioned there


The truth is that it hasn't always been there. One nation under God was added to the pledge in 1954. The phrase "In God we Trust" was added to coinage in 1864 and added to paper money in 1957. It became the National motto in 1956.

Putting such phrases on our money or in the pledge says NOTHING that "God"under which we are one nation allows for only the Christian concept. The addition of those phrases don't make us a Christian nation. The founding fathers would probably be appalled at the very idea.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11978) 10 years ago
Wendy--one of the reasons I knew those Puritan questions is I am a direct descendant of Roger Williams. Not the singer, the other older guy. If I ever to fire up my DAR membership, that's who I trace back to. So, I like to boast about ol' Roger, even if no one knows who I am talking about!
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 10 years ago
I still can't believe I'm the only one frightened by:

And I think it's time for us to just hand it over to God and say, "God, You're going to have to fix this."


He drove my car straight into an irrigation ditch.

These guys are bonkers.

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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
korkyII wrote:
Kelly, It is printed on our money and is in our pledge of allegance..One Nation under God, In God we Trust. Why is it mentioned there ?.....korkyII



Do other faiths not have Gods, korkyII???


BTW, loved your work in the TV series "Life Goes On"
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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
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Posted by Mellow (+76) 10 years ago
OK, so my test score was so bad, I won't tell..
Maybe I read too much attitude in these posts, but it sure seems like Christians (in general) are slammed a lot (everywhere).

Sorry if I miss read!
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6172) 10 years ago
Amorette,

I qualify for DAR status also, through Daniel Brackett, who served on the front line at Saratoga, Valley Forge, Monmouth and the New York Highlands. He went a bit bonkers afterward and became the leader of the White Indians, a group of unorthodox religious nuts who felt the End Times were upon them due to the economic and political climate in the early 1800s. They felt law enforcement officers were minions of the Anti-christ. The White Indians were basically terrorists.
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Posted by howdy (+4950) 10 years ago
I also am in the DAR thru my direct many times great grandfather Lemuel Hardy who was a private in a North Carolina Militia...that and a buck will get you a cup of coffee, but it is always interesting to know more about your family....
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Posted by Bridgier (+9307) 10 years ago
Mellow, most of the "Christians" (more accurately, "christianists") on mc.com are WATB who are upset that they no longer have the constantinian prerogative to dictate the bounds of acceptable behavior within an increasingly diverse society. It's not so much that they're pissed about Sharia law, it's that it's someone ELSE'S Sharia law.

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Posted by Denise Selk (+1665) 10 years ago
I also qualify for DAR status. Let's start up a milescity.com chapter of DAR and then when we are accused of being elitist, we will at least have an excuse.
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Posted by howdy (+4950) 10 years ago
LOL, Denise...
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6172) 10 years ago
Good idea, Denise. You can be the Grand Exalted Poobah.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 10 years ago
Elitist and sexist.
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Posted by howdy (+4950) 10 years ago
Not really sexist as my dad belonged to the Sons of the American Revolution...so there is one for the fellas too LOL...
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 10 years ago
Who wants to go to that sausage party?
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Posted by howdy (+4950) 10 years ago
LOL...
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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
I am not a DAR. My ancestors didn't arrive until the 20th century. And I am not a "D"
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Posted by howdy (+4950) 10 years ago
LOL, Bob L. are you an I ????? an I as in Independent...

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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11978) 10 years ago
Sometimes the stuff you turn up in the search for your ancestors is rather startling, to say the least!

For example, the Founding Fathers were opposed to theocracy and some of them owned slaves and probably did some naughty things with their slaves. They also cheated on their wives, filed for bankruptcy, drank too much and argued with their neighbors. They were not perfect and they knew it so they created a document that could be modified with the passing of time.

They did not say the pledge of allegiance, nor did their money mention anybody's god.

And they wore silk stockings and wigs! Wigs!!!!

And some of them were terrorists.

Have to do some research on "White Indians." They sound a bit like the whiskey rebellion boys. Not what we learnt in fourth grade from Miss Legrid.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4455) 10 years ago
Hmm, I do believe that I am a Founding Father.

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Posted by howdy (+4950) 10 years ago
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15082) 10 years ago
That video is pretty funny. Someone's dating themselves.
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Posted by howdy (+4950) 10 years ago
LOL, very true...my 66 yrs on earth are showing...
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Posted by loulee (+19) 10 years ago
Extremists of any race, creed, or philosphy are vile and despecible. Tolerence and acceptance of others is the spiritual base this country was founded on. More people have been killed in the name of one religion or another than any other reason. Live and let live. You stay out of my business and I will stay out of yours. I do not need Michelle or Rick telling me how to think and what is right. Whatever happened to God is love, reguardless of the philsophy you choose to attach to your God.
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Posted by howdy (+4950) 10 years ago
I scored 15 which I think is at least respectable LOL...great quiz, I enjoyed it...15 says I know more than most Americans...sad state of education in our country IMO...
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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
Thought I'd bump this since YOUR REPUBLICAN FRONTRUNNER won the Iowa straw poll over the weekend.

I was going to post a picture of noted heterosexual Marcus Bachmann eating a corn dog, but once again, I decided to take the high road.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17732) 10 years ago
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Mohandas Gandhi

Excellent article on El Whacko in the current issue of the New Yorker:

http://www.newyorker.com/...rentPage=1
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Posted by Chuck Schott (+1291) 10 years ago
Bad, Scary, Not a good thing. It will not last it will be Mitt all the way just because he looks the part and stands the best chance of over taking the #1 Czar of all things governmental.

But time will tell, seriously we need another change of leadership I'm just not sure there is a politician that can do the job.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4458) 10 years ago
http://www.nytimes.com/20...yt&emc=rss

Help us Obi Wan Christiobie, you're our only hope
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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
Fatass Chriistie could not run across the street, much less run for President.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4458) 10 years ago
Hey, it's not hard to golf and/or party in Martha's Vineyard while Rome burns.
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Posted by Gm. Bonine (+92) 10 years ago
I have nothing against Christians. Some of my best friends are.

this line always cracks me up. no matter the context. hands down, the best disclaimer..EVER.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6172) 10 years ago
I think we should import some Norwegian trolls.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
Here's a NY Post story about Rickenhawk's favorite blimp potential Presidential candidate using a police helicopter to attend his son's baseball game:

http://www.nypost.com/p/n...mNMQcaC5fM


The BEST part? Fat boy Christie had a limo waiting to drive his lardness the last 100 yards or so from the helicopter to the baseball diamond. No, you can't make it up.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
Here's an article referring to the limo ride:

http://www.nj.com/news/in...ons_h.html


Wow. Look at that picture of Lard Christie getting on the helicopter. Weight and balance had to be an issue for the pilot. They probably had to move all of the expensive medical equipment to one side of the helicopter prior to liftoff.

I bet Christie eats Redi-Whip right out of the can.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4458) 10 years ago
Fat Boy? Issues oriented as ever I see. Tell me, since I dont keep up on these things, who does Andrew Sullivan think is cute enough to be the next president?
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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago


Oh yeah, no one's more "issues-oriented" than the Rickenhawk.

I think you used the wrong "Star Wars" character in your earlier post.

Jabba the Hut is your savior...good luck with that!

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Posted by howdy (+4950) 10 years ago
Thanks Bob...:-)

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Posted by remoh1 (+38) 10 years ago
Why is it that people on here call people ignorant and stupid if thier opinion is different from what they believe? I think it is funny because the ones who are posting on here calling others ignorant are the ones that nobody in this town can stand. I guess this is thier only form of entertainment and it must feel really good to thier self esteem to hide behind a computer keyboard and put others down. At least they have an opinion and voice it. One of the major problems in this country is that more people do not get involed or care to learn about politics. We have people voting in this country who have no idea what platform the person they voted for even stands for. I think we should respect all sides of converstation because that is what this country was founded on....FREEDOM!!!! Don't forget that we are all Americans and on the same side even if we may disagree on some things, have some respect for your fellow Americans and just have a good discussion and voice all sides without calling people ignorant.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9307) 10 years ago
Why is it that people on here call people ignorant and stupid if thier opinion is different from what they believe?

But what if what you believe IS ignorant and stupid? Just because some people believe the world is flat, doesn't make them less ignorant or stupid.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15082) 10 years ago
Really??? Just the kind I want to trust with launch codes. As Bob L says "you can't make this stuff up". Today is the day Elvis died, not his BD.



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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
How about this one?

http://www.washingtontime...ohn-wayne/

"Rep. Michele Bachmann kicked off her presidential campaign on Monday in Waterloo, Iowa, and in one interview surrounding the official event she promised to mimic the spirit of Waterloo's own John Wayne.

The only problem, as one eagle-eyed reader notes: Waterloo's John Wayne was not the beloved movie star, but rather John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer.

Mrs. Bachmann grew up in Waterloo, and used the town as the backdrop for her campaign announcement, where she told Fox News: "Well what I want them to know is just like, John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That's the kind of spirit that I have, too."
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Posted by howdy (+4950) 10 years ago
She also said happy birthday to Elvis on the day Elvis died which isn't his birthday obviously...LOL...as Bob L says you cannot make this stuff up...LOL
http://politicalticker.bl...ore-171630

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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11978) 10 years ago
I can't decide if she is really that stupid or if her staff hates her. I suspect her staff, because they are ones who are supposed to fact check. Then again, maybe they are as completely surprised by the idiocy she spouts as we are.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
I've followed Ms. Bachmann's career since she was in the Minnesota State Senate. Sadly, I believe it's the former.
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Posted by tax payer (+351) 10 years ago
"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go."
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17732) 10 years ago
Yawn.

There is a significant difference, tax dodger, in misspeaking (saying 57 instead of 47) and acknowledging that said mistake later the same day, versus making gaffe after gaffe, then defending yourself against the "gotcha" media.

I wonder if Michele's followers are busy on Wikipedia this morning, trying to change Elvis' birth date?
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Posted by tax payer (+351) 10 years ago
47 +1 =48
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Posted by Bob L. (+5101) 10 years ago
I bet tax payer dodger pays 36% in Federal income taxes too!
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17732) 10 years ago
50 states - (Alaska + Hawaii) - 1 left to visit = 47 continental states.
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Posted by Kelly (+2745) 10 years ago
Damn you Gunnar! It's no fair using MATH.
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Posted by dlsmith (+232) 10 years ago
I agree that most of the entries or posts on this mc.com are mean and nasty to anyone who disagrees. Why is that? And what is wrong with debating rather than totally trying to bash everyone ? Also, what is the big problem with God? At least those who are believers know they have faults and need the grace of God because of our shortcomings? What other god forgives? And did all of you research online? Or read books by atheists for your references? did you cross reference your materials with books by Christians? Yes, Jesus was a Jew,God first sent him to the Jews,then sent the apostles and Jesus
to all Gentiles(nonjews). Whatever you all believe it seems you same few obviously think you are so much more intelligent and informed, maybe you are very informed as far as how to back up your own rhetoric, because like all humans, we tend to pick a point of view for various reasons and think we are right, then go to only references that back it up so we can point fingers. My mani point here is taask you all to quit grouping up to pick on anyone who disagrees adn try to look at the fact that maybe you don't knwo everything, and maybe even spend some time cross referencing with materials or people more. Like the one person said, we are supposed to be united as AMERICANS, not divided, bashing each other, but protecting what we have in the 'greatest nation on God's green earth'( Michael Medved)
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15082) 10 years ago
At least those who are believers know they have faults and need the grace of God because of our shortcomings? What other god forgives? And did all of you research online? Or read books by atheists for your references? did you cross reference your materials with books by Christians? Yes, Jesus was a Jew,God first sent him to the Jews,then sent the apostles and Jesus
to all Gentiles(nonjews). Whatever you all believe it seems you same few obviously think you are so much more intelligent and informed, maybe you are very informed as far as how to back up your own rhetoric, because like all humans, we tend to pick a point of view for various reasons and think we are right, then go to only references that back it up so we can point fingers.


And what references are YOU using as the basis of YOUR statement so that YOU can ALSO point fingers?

This country was founded on the notion that each man can worship or not worship the Deity of his choosing, free from the fear of an established state theology. Unfortunately, much of the current Republican party is TOO interested in establishing a theocracy that the founders did not intend.

Much of the intent of that republican theocracy is aimed at telling people how they can behave in their own bedrooms and live their lives. The founders never intended the establishment of such a theocracy and it is comments supportive of such actions that elicit the so-called "negative comments" from most posters on MC.com.

Here is an example:



[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (8/18/2011)]
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11978) 10 years ago
Why does the word "arrogant" keep coming to mind in these discussions?
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Posted by Kelly (+2745) 10 years ago
Also, what is the big problem with God?




Couldn't resist.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1665) 10 years ago
Or there is always Rick Santorum and his little nuggets of wisdom.

"Every speech I give, I talk about the Declaration of Independence, where rights come from God. That's where they come from in this country. It's different than any other country in the history of the world. We said our rights come to each and every one of us from God. That is the source of our power to govern. Yes, the consent of the governed, but where do the people get the power from which to exercise? It's in keeping and trying to pass laws that is consistent with God's law. God gives you the rights. He doesn't give them to you and says, 'Do whatever you want.' He gave them to you and said. Well, look at later on in the Declaration they refer to nature and nature's God. That we are to live by the natural law and God's laws."

"That is what when they talked about the 'pursuit of happiness.' If you go back and read the definition in Webster at the time of the Declaration, or certainly thereafter, what 'happiness' was defined as doing good. Doing good, doing what is moral. So the pursuit of something ordered and morally good is what our founders were saying."

"Which is in other words living your life consistent - taking those rights and living them consistent with God's law. That was the goal and the aim of America. Someone has to speak out and remind Americas who we are. Someone has to get up and we have to say that America, as I said last night, is a moral enterprise."


I wonder if he is lined up to teach in the public schools of Texas yet?
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+10014) 10 years ago
If you go back and read the definition in Webster at the time of the Declaration

Wouldn't that be kind of hard to do, given that Webster's first dictionary wasn't published until the 19th century?
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11978) 10 years ago
Happiness is defined as doing good????

What language does this twit speak, anyway. Not English as I know it.
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+10014) 10 years ago
FWIW, the 1828 first-edition of "Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language" does not define "happiness" as "doing good".

The closest definition is "agreeable sensations [...] from the enjoyment of good".

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HAP'PINESS, n. [from happy.] The agreeable sensations which spring from the enjoyment of good; that state of a being in which his desires are gratified, by the enjoyment of pleasure without pain; felicity; but happiness usually expresses less than felicity, and felicity less than bliss. Happiness is comparative. To a person distressed with pain, relief from that pain affords happiness; in other cases we give the name happiness to positive pleasure or an excitement of agreeable sensations. Happiness therefore admits of indefinite degrees of increase in enjoyment, or gratification of desires. Perfect happiness, or pleasure unalloyed with pain, is not attainable in this life.

2. Good luck; good fortune.

3. Fortuitous elegance; unstudied grace.

For there's a happiness as well as care.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+15082) 10 years ago
Does anyone know if Mr. Sanitarium's middle name is "putmeinthe"???
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Posted by howdy (+4950) 10 years ago
LOL, if not, it certainly should be...
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Posted by howdy (+4950) 10 years ago
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