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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+480) 11 years ago
?"The $$ issues have been agreed to. At this point THE holdup is funding for women's healthcare. NOT abortion, which the federal government hasn't paid for for decades.

The Republicans want to shut down America in order to keep American women from getting health care. Don't ever forget this. "


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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4457) 11 years ago
Or so the Democrats say. Republicans say it's still about the dollar amount.

Mostly a matter of whether you want to believe Harry Reid or John Boehner.

In all likelyhood both sides are posturing. Democrats will keep saying it's all about Planned Parenthood. Republicans will keep saying it's about needing to cut more spending.
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Posted by howdy (+4949) 11 years ago
and god forbid they cut the military and bring our guys home, but instead cut planned parenthood and health care to seniors...what a great idea...NOT...
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17668) 11 years ago
...and it ain't gonna happen.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11902) 11 years ago
Planned Parenthood is part of the 12% of the budget that is "discretionary spending," which means it can be tinkered with. Cutting PP makes almost no difference to the budget but does give conservatives a way to boast that they are being all moral and noble by denying basic health care to low income women.

They can't touch the major part of the budget--the military, the entitlements--on short notice. Those things take long term planning and are big and scary.

I love Ron Paul or is it Rand Paul's idea. Cut health care and social programs by $42 billion and then turn around and give $42 billion in tax cuts. How does that accomplish anything towards the deficit?

I am sick of the posturing but nobody in Washington has the nerve to do the right thing because the American people aren't willing to admit that sacrifices will have to be made and taxes will have to be raised and maybe some folks working on military pork barrel projects in their districts will lose their jobs.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3718) 11 years ago
It's way easier to point fingers at the other side and hope the people who voted for you are dumb enough to believe it than to actually do your job.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17668) 11 years ago
Yeah, Levi, keep trying to rationalize why you're still a Republican. Just like your daddy and his daddy before.

Is that still working out for you?
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3718) 11 years ago
I am most certainly not a Republican.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6171) 11 years ago
Well, my understanding is that the amount of money the Repubs were haggling about was a mere .008% of the total budget. So it was about the money in the same way closing profitable liquor stores here in Utah was about the money.
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Posted by korky II (+614) 11 years ago
The dems don't have a leg to stand on. The had their chance to come up with a budget when they controlled both houses and failed to do so. They were derelect in their duties as congressmen and women. They were more worried about getting re-elected than doing what was required of them. Say what you want about planned parenthood but they perform abortions more than any other healthcare for women and low income people. They say they use private funds for abortions and not federal funds. All I can say is prove it. I personally don't want my tax dollars going to pph for abortions. I think this budget is a start, but we need to cut more. Were spending 3 billion dollars a week on 2 wars and who knows what were spending on Libya (we don't need to be there). These all sound like little cuts, but they all add up.
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Posted by White (+16) 11 years ago
Well said, korky II.
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Posted by Jeremy Orthman (+440) 11 years ago
The military has been going through massive cuts while still deplooyed in two countries.
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Posted by Tom Rhoades (+32) 11 years ago
War in the middle east????? Looks like a war right here between the dems and reps.

None of you actually know EXACTLY whats going on anyway, so why even speculate?

It was so much nicer in the old days when the two parties were much much closer together on things instead of insanely diametrically opposed!

So do you want to hurt each other? Maybe even kill each other? Thats how wars get started!

So maybe each side is a little right and a lot wrong. WHATEVER!

Unfortunately the machine hasn't been invented that could measure my indifference to politics. For those that wish to participate have fun being ridiculous!

If people spent as much time looking for solutions as they do arguing about it, maybe we could get somewhere!

My indifference is requesting that I not post this, but I feel other wise, so there you go.

I think those that don't use their real name on posts, are for lack of a better term "Chicken-squat" and actually have no opinion, since they won't take responsibility for their posts.

Responsibility is KEY for everyone citizens, especially for politicians. No one, it seems wants to take responsibility for anything anymore!It's always the other guys fault, justify justify justify!

For future reference, I don't care about your opinion of this post.

I more than likely won't even come back to this thread... oh my I'm falling asleep... THUD!

PS Barely awake...There is a life out there, so go get it!
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11902) 11 years ago
Korky, they have proved it repeatedly. But it is like the birthers. The evidence is plainly out there but people ignore it because it will interfere with their belief system and their belief system outweighs any facts.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3718) 11 years ago
It was so much nicer in the old days when the two parties were much much closer together on things instead of insanely diametrically opposed!


I disagree with this. I think the only thing diametrically opposed about the R's and D's is their rhetoric. They have a few polarizing, lithmus test issues where they have to be 100% opposed, but they are typically not issues that make up the core of the job of government.

Health care? Democrats want a half-assed plan that makes their insurance company campaign contributors lots of money. Republicans want an even smaller plan that also makes their contributors lots of money. Both of them are ignoring the fact that the country is spending an outrageous amount of money to deliver sub-par performance in order to maximize profits for insurance companies and health care technology companies.

Economy? The Republicans want a half-assed plan that doesn't even come close to solving the country's budget problems, the Democrats want an even smaller one, with the tiny, pointless cuts going to the stuff that they don't like instead of the stuff the R's don't like.

Foreign Policy? Tell me that the situations in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya would be significantly different had McCain been elected.

They are all in the same boat, rowing the same way, at slightly different speeds, which means that they are required to scream even louder and point their fingers even harder in hopes that we won't notice it and keep blaming the guys that aren't on our side for the direction that the boat is going.
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Posted by Steve Z (+1002) 11 years ago
You can say what you want about planned parenthood. I personally think it is a woman's choice to have an abortion. She is the one to answer for it in the end. A little more forward thinking though... I would rather a couple hundred of my tax dollars go toward some crack whore having an abortion than a few tens of thousands supporting the poor crack baby. Just my opinion. Defunding PP could in this sense raise the deficit.
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Posted by aaron bruce (+198) 11 years ago
budget should existo pondera. publicus debitum should redo. superbia of persona should existo tempero, quod suffragium ut extarius terrs should existo velum lest rome decoctum. cicero 55 bc
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Posted by Cheryl Pieters (+480) 11 years ago
Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in TARP money, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes? Yeah, me neither.
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