Montana's Own Dennis Rehberg
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Posted by Kelly (+2820) 11 years ago
Pell Grants are welfare of 21st Century...

http://politics.netsimpler.com/?p=5402
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Posted by howdy (+4945) 11 years ago
How about all the tax breaks Rehberg gets in Billings for his housing development or all the subsidies for the ranchers...Start to budget at home, Congressman, not with poor kids needing an education...budget and do without at home and show me you will no longer accept government help and I will agree with you about pell grants...Your kids will have a paid for education because of your government help etc over the years...poor families don't have that chance...Poor families cannot write off the costs of trucks against their ranch income etc etc...why do the poor always have to pay for the tax breaks for the rich?? ya want to call pell grants "welfare"?? Well I call all your tax breaks for your housing developments in Billings and your ranch welfare also...so Mr. Congressman, get off welfare!!
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+12383) 11 years ago
Poor Denny. He is one of the richest men in Congress and still he has to have tax breaks and subsidies to help him get by. I bet he sobs on his way to bank with his welfare checks.
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Posted by aaron bruce (+195) 11 years ago
isnt he sueing his constituant taxpayers in billings also? well the fire dept, but since they are payed by the tax payers...
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Posted by Maryann McDaniel (+251) 11 years ago
I am having trouble with these postings because I went to college before Pell grants meant only for undergraduate students, worked two jobs during my own undergraduate college school years on campus and one in Miles City summers. I did not get any grants/handouts when I went to Rice University to get my masters nor have I received any support in my work towards my doctorate. I am paying (painfully each month) for all of it. I work full time and financial struggles occur. It has been a difficult process yet I am committed to my goal. Some young college student -- and even their parent -- need to grow up.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6167) 11 years ago
I didn't get any grants when I went to college but I sure don't begrudge those who did. I graduated with $25,000 of debt but I took it on knowingly and paid it all off years ago (with help of a debtless husband). I know that many students would not be able to afford college unless they received Pell grants. As far as I'm concerned the more educated folks we have in this society the better for all of us.

[This message has been edited by Wendy Wilson (4/3/2011)]
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Posted by Stewart (+151) 11 years ago
I worked three jobs putting myself through Division 1 college. No Pell grants for me. I did develop a heck of a work ethic that continues to benefit me. I know students who were getting pell grants that bragged about getting "paid" to go to school and spent a lot of time doing anything but going to school. While pell grants have their place maybe Rehberg is right in saying there needs to be some accountability. Maybe they should pay back the money if they don't graduate. I think that's fair enough.

Also, just have to bite on the whole rancher welfare bit. Subsidies paid to farmers benefit everyone who eats. It costs way more to produce our food than we Americans pay in the grocery store. That is due to subsidies. Without the subsidies we would have to charge more for food. I don't care either way. Pay for it in subsidies or pay for it at the grocery store. Just don't think it's "welfare" for the farmers. They're being paid what they should be paid (actually way less than they should be paid) for doing the most important job in the world...feeding everyone.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+12383) 11 years ago
Subsidies to help farmers grow food: good.

Subsidies to help people buy food: bad.

Got it. Problem is, it all comes from the same source and if you truly, truly believe that cutting federal spending is of utmost importance, than everything, including your personal government checks, should be on the table.

Heard the latest from Congress? Dems want to freeze pay if the gov't shuts down. Reps are horrified and said no, no, we must be paid.

The word, in case you've forgotten it, is hypocrite.
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Posted by Kelly (+2820) 11 years ago
Farm Subsidies = Socialism
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Posted by howdy (+4945) 11 years ago
budgeting and thrifty should begin at home...that includes the congress...cut their paychecks, freeze their subsidies at home or cut them too...no give outs whatsoever to anyone...that's fair...what is not fair is to cut only the budgets to the poorest of them all while keeping your own subsidies...that includes no write offs income tax wise for any new pickups etc etc...do that and see how ya like it pal...ya won't...then imagine a poor kid trying to get thru college with no help whatsoever in an economy where jobs are hard to come by...fair?? I think not...the more well educated kids we have in our nation, the wealthier we all are...they have tons more to contribute to society, IMO...the only way to try to wipe out the poorest class and welfare is education...not just kicking them to the curb...
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Posted by Mary1 (+148) 11 years ago
Pell Grant do not cover all your tuition. Anyone who was "getting paid to go to school" must be on some other program. I received Pell Grants all 4 years I went to college, I graduated in 1997. I worked part time the entire time I was in school and still ended up with $15,000 in loans that I have paid in full by making double payments each month. Even a local community college tuition is not fully covered by Pell Grants unless the kid lives for free with a relative. Dorms or apartments cost you, books are at least $400 a semester now but often times more than that; I have clients who are students so I have seen their bills.

Also my father was a farmer until he was in his 70's, that is why I was eligible for Pell Grants to begin with, any subsidies he received were small because we were a family farm. I am sick of all the agribusinesses collecting money that is suppose to "save the family farm."
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Posted by howdy (+4945) 11 years ago
Totally agree Mary...Agribusinesses have taken over!!

Read chapter 13 in this book about this subject...it is allowed without buying the book thankfully...here is the link...

http://books.google.com/b...es&f=false

[This message has been edited by howdy (4/3/2011)]
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Posted by Bridgier (+9470) 11 years ago
Yes, it was possible to pay for a year's tuition by working a summer job and possibly a minimum wage job while you were in school... 40 years ago.

Something's changed: I'm sure it's the lazy students these days.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6167) 11 years ago
I got a free ride scholarship to any Montana school I wanted to go to but I didn't want to stay in Montana. Even though I got a half tuition scholarship to Tulane it wasn't enough. So I used loans to finance what I couldn't pay. I have no regrets.
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Posted by Stewart (+151) 11 years ago
It is still possible to work your way through school. I took three part-time jobs during the school year and a full-time job during the summers. (all of the minimum-wage variety) And I graduated in this millennium, not 40 years ago. Just saying, where there's a will, there's a way--with or without Pell grants. I did graduate with some debt, but it was a very manageable number, less than what most spend on a used car. I'm very grateful for my education, partly because I worked so hard for it.

Like I said before, I'm not against Pell Grants, I'm just saying you CAN get by without them. And, if those given Pell Grants were held accountable for finishing school maybe there would be more money available for those who truly want to better themselves.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9470) 11 years ago
And where did you go to school? In state? Out of state? Private? Public? Did you have a family to support at the same time?
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Posted by Mindy B (+71) 11 years ago
Stewart, I think some of the responses you see on this forum are based on your words of getting "paid" to go to school. Getting paid to me says you are getting take home money; which is way different than having part or even all of your tuition paid for by a program or other person. Tuition is just one cost of going to school, probably the biggest cost but most certainly not all of it. I did a web search and the highest amount you could qualify for in Pell Grants (poorest of the poor students) is $5550 in 2010/2011 for the entire year.

I agree that most people can work their way through school but even you admitted to taking out some loans so your work did not cover all your expenses. I do however find that some people with disabilities cannot work and go to school at the same time. I don't mean SSI/SSDI disabilities either think of learning disabilities, mental health issues, and those kinds of issues that I know others struggle with but can complete school if they have a chance to try.
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Posted by howdy (+4945) 11 years ago
plus if they even complete a tech school situation, they can at least find gainful employment in that field and be off the "disability roles"..Higher education might be costly at first but our country gets back many times more in benefits after that person completes a degree and goes to work as a tax paying citizen...an educated citizenry is good for our nation...Remember Kennedys famous saying "ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country"...well in this case, you can take advantage of a higher education and find work and be a middle class citizen contributing to our tax base...
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