A Church you Probably never heard of...
Posted by James Lynch (+206) 10 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfEdJNn15E

I found this link to be quite interesting and somewhat surprising that I had not heard more of this kind of information before...

Guess I can thank the good ol' public education...thought it was worthy of sharing...

U.S. Capitol Tour with David Barton

http://www.youtube.com/
Watchmen on the Wall Pastors are standing in the gap for America. Visit

http://www.WatchmenPastors.org/ and click on Briefings for details.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
Uh-oh
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Posted by Christen LeBlanc Ramsey (+271) 10 years ago
did you know these people are listed by the slpc as a hate group? that's how i've heard of them; and no i do not support their mission.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 10 years ago
Someone's education doesn't include how make URL links work.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 10 years ago
definitely not worthy of sharing...
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Posted by Bill Freese (+479) 10 years ago
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Posted by Mellow (+81) 10 years ago
That was great, thanks for sharing!

Sometimes the replies on this site amaze me.
Lies can be so loud, it's hard to hear the truth.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 10 years ago
That American flag shirt is pretty sweet.
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Posted by Bill Freese (+479) 10 years ago
Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." He and the rest of the founding fathers then created a nation that at its inception was wildly biased in favor of white male landowning Christians.

We could do what David Barton does to prove that the founding fathers meant America to be ruled by whites, meant America to be ruled by males, and meant America to be ruled by people who own property, including slaves. The fact that the founding fathers and early presidents were all Christians does not mean they intended us to be always governed by Christians, any more than the fact that they were white property owning men means they intended us to always be governed by white property owning men.

The founding fathers were aware of the fact that the nation they created did not yet live up to the principles of equality they espoused. The history of America has been a steady movement toward the equality that was promised. To look back to the past and say that our founding fathers practiced various prejudices is to study history. To conclude that they intended us to forever practice those prejudices is to ignore history.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
The fact that the founding fathers and early presidents were all Christians does not mean they intended us to be always governed by Christians, any more than the fact that they were white property owning men means they intended us to always be governed by white property owning men.


Most of them were deist which isn't the same as Christian.

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (2/15/2011)]
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Posted by Bill Freese (+479) 10 years ago
Whether they were Christians, or deists, Muslims or Hindus, they proposed a nation in which all people are treated equally, and that is the goal we are moving toward. Progress is slow, but worth waiting for. Backsliding into prejudice, as David Barton would have us do, is something which must be resisted.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 10 years ago
Apparently, these Hole in the Wall pastors are just the usual garden variety homophobes. Yawn. Oh, and they believe in "conversion therapy," too. Nothing new or intelligent there.
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Posted by Steve Allison (+981) 10 years ago
The founding fathers put in the section on religious freedom not because they were brilliant and foresighted, but because they lived with the opposite. Remember each of the colonies was founded by a religion looking for a place to practice THEIR religion and they were not open to others in their area of influence, practicing theirs and these were all Christian religions. In one colony, if you were not a member of that state's religion you could not bring legal charges of any kind against someone who was. (State & church not mentioned to avoid that becoming the subject of conversation) The founding fathers saw that the only way to get diverse states with diverse religions together into a country, was to take religion out of the mix.
It may sound good to now narrow religions down to Christian one, but the lesson from the past is then it breaks down into one Christian group against another until it is an internal Christian war ripping the country apart. (not unlike the Muslim sects against each other fighting for power in Iraq, Iran & other Mideast countries) If you want a country to be stable and survive from one generation to another, religion must be left out government. Government officials can and should take their personal ideals with them when serve, but they must be left out of official laws, policies and doctrine.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 10 years ago
I can see why you married this man Amorette. LOL
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. (+14950) 10 years ago
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