I really can't wait for the legislative session to be over.

No poop.

Over here in God's country, some stupid procreateer introduced a bill to require married couples attend 20 hours of marriage counseling and wait a year before they can get divorced.

Guess which party that dumbass is from?

Its a good thing that all Democrats are reasonable and intelligent individuals.

I spent a few hours watching the House, and can't say that I was very impressed with either political party.

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I love the Repubs saying keep government out of my healthcare, then turning around and requiring a woman to have an intrusive and unnecessary medical exam, which she will no doubt pay for, if she wants to terminate a pregnancy. Lord knows, that is the government intruding in medical care.

If I run onto that stupid roostersucker who introduced the NoDak marriage bill, I'm going to mock him. I'll do it, too.

I know where those dumb bastards drink - he probably isn't that hard to find...

Idiotic bills are introduced in every legislature. They are often intended to appease a specific group of morans who vote. Sometimes they are just intended to make one reality challenged donor happy. Do not panic when you see one of these bills. I only hold the legislature responsible for what they pass, not the nonsense they propose.

I feel your pain, Gunnar. They take all the tables in the good restaurants.

Wendy: That is very true. At least they no longer frequent my favorite tavern...

You know it, Wendy.

As Governor Schwietzer put it, the restaurants of Helena are crowded with legislators eating thick steaks and drinking old whiskey paid for by lobbyists.

he probably isn't that hard to find...

His last name's not Wingenbach is it?

His last name's not Wingenbach is it?

Nope. I know where that guy lives.


It is some procreateer from BFE.

"Procreateer" is a pretty cool word, BTW.

Here in Montana, it costs about $2500 for a bill to be heard. So when they are advancing an idea, knowing it is going nowhere, they should be required to pony up their own damn money. In his first year in Helena, John Sinrud from Bozeman proposed 23 bills, admitting that he knew all of them were destined to fail. Thats over $50,000 of taxpayer money he wasted, just to advance his deranged ideas. Same moran that ran an architecture firm here in Bozeman, with no licensed architect on the staff. And he got shut down, of course blaming liberals that were out to get him. What a butt munch.
If they are spending our money to advance an idea that is destined to fail, them and their backers should pony up the cash, instead of us taxpayers footing the bill for their little games. If the bill gets out of committee, they get their money back. If not, I hope it was worth their cash to make a point, cause they ain't seeing it again.

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Ooo, I like that idea. Make them pony up actual bucks when they present some piece of nonsense about paper towels in rest areas or whatever craziness is in their little pea brains.

Then only the rich get to introduce loony bills. Which would be a little bit different than it is now. Sort of.

Dems are even loonier. Nuff said

My Dad can beat up your Dad

I like "procreateur" - it has a frenchy feel to it.

Last week the legislature spent a session discussing "The Code of the West". I am not making this up. "Ride for the Brand" was one of the key phrases. I guess in the old days, when we all followed "The code of the West", no horses were ever stolen, they always hung the right guy when one was stolen, and I'm guessing no one got pregnant out of wedlock because no one had sex out of wedlock. Apparently, one of our legislators read a book. Now that IS something. Both parties were guilty of wasting time on that bunch of poop.

http://hosted2.ap.org/MTB...fd9410fc7f

Today they were discussing getting the US out of the UN. I'm thrilled to see how much time they're all spending on jobs.

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I can produce the actual trial records from early Miles City in which people were regularly arrested for displaying their gun. Seriously. These guys have NO grasp of history. Or reality. Or their oars.

Yeah. If the state lege of Montana says the whole US should pull out of the U.N., that will just make everything better.

Stop wasting time and do something useful. On second thought, considering what dumb *ass ideas those morans have come up with this time around, maybe wasting time is a good idea.

Oi. Vey.

We have to adopt "The Code of the West" as law because Wyoming did. And if Wyoming jumps off of a bridge, you know we have to jump off, too. I can't wait for this to become law. Then, then every time I see someone failing to "Live Each Day with Courage" I am calling the cops.

What the hell does "Ride for the brand" mean anyway? Have any of those nutjobs in Helena noticed the book was written as a metaphor for Wall Street shenanigans and has NOTHING to do with actual western history.

ARGH. THE STUPID!! IT BURNS!!!!

Every day, I learn something new that makes me think even less of my fellow voting citizen.

Between willful paste consumption such as this and the jingogasm that was the Superbowl pregame show, I have a hard time seeing the US as anything but an empire in decline. We had a good run, until the Boomers screwed everything up.

Amorette,
Believe that "rideing for the brand" is indeed an old western cowboy saying. It means when you were hired on you pledged your allegence to the outfit,right or wrong. An "esprit de corps" if you will. For a better understanding read WE POINTED THEM NORTH by "Teddy Blue" Abbott.

I have read "We Pointed Them North" but the point is that the "Code of the West" these idiots are promoting is a waste of time and money and is an empty gesture on the part of politicians to make themselves "look" as if they doing "something" when they are actually doing nothing.

And remember, you were loyal to your employer while you were employed. When you reached the end of the trail, you were unemployed and your loyalty to your boss stopped. So, loyal to your job as long as you have it is not some big philosophic statement.

Plus the idea that you back your employer even if he is doing something unethical, immoral or illegal is a bad idea. You shouldn't have to sell your principles, and that is what this whole "Ride for the Brand" idea is, for money. Loyalty based on a paycheck is loyalty bought and paid for.

AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOVERNING THE STATE!!!! It is political grandstanding. NOT GOVERNANCE.

Please, please, please, would politicians stop with the dog and pony shows and actually try to solve some problems. Is that too much to ask?

All those dopey legislatures have gotten their view of the "Code of the West" from westerns, not from reality. I blame John Wayne.

Sadly,for some injecting political ideology into a discussion of the old west phrase "Rideing For The Brand" is somehow skewed. Is there something wrong with old time values? Must we continue to read something that isn't there nor intended? Cynicism for cynicism's sake.

Actually, the book quoted is COWBOY ETHICS by James P. Owen also the author in the same vein, COWBOY VALUES and THE TRY. By chance he is also a Wall street veteran. Maybe,actually reading the book or books will set your mind at ease. The Miles City library may have them or at least will be available thru inter-library loan. Believe they are also available if you have an ipod.

This "Code of the West" stuff is modern and even if it were authentic, the State Senate is supposed to be governing the state, not engaging in time wasting political posturing. Stop spending the tax payers money on admiration for a book and GOVERN THE STATE.

Bob L.
The name of the legislature here in ND that introduced that bill is Oley Larson. He is a very young republican (teapartier) from Minot. Everybody is quite upset with him and he is really catching a lot of flack on the radio talk shows. They invite him to come on but he won't.
I just read that today he testified against an anti-bullying bill and people are upset with him about that also

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I think that while we were not looking, the republican legislators from MT,WY, and ND had a secret meeting in Jellystone national park with Yogi and boo-boo....

From a Facebook friend...

"Hey, if any of you missed the Montana Legislature today, it was a lot like this:"

Tom wrote:

Bob L.
The name of the legislature here in ND that introduced that bill is Oley Larson. He is a very young republican (teapartier) from Minot. Everybody is quite upset with him and he is really catching a lot of flack on the radio talk shows. They invite him to come on but he won't.
I just read that today he testified against an anti-bullying bill and people are upset with him about that also

Interesting. Thanks for the info!

Oh, and sorry about inadvertantly referring to Minot as "BFE"

I like the Magic City. I used to hit Penguins (RIP), Belle's Club, The Blind Duck, and The Pour Farm on a regular basis back in the day...

God bless havre........

I use to hangout at Eddies/Arnys with all the attornies, judges and newspaper people. I also liked Belle's Club and all the previous verisons..... It is now the Chicago Club. Belle's Lounge on Broadway sponsered my softball team for a few years. Never did go to the Pour Farm. Use to hit the 52 Club but it burnt down several years ago. Geez come to think of it I use to hang out in just about every bar, bistro and dive in Minot. LOL

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I liked the small neighborhood bars.

But I wasn't a local and hung with the Zoomies, so I avoided some of them...

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Zoomie?>wingnut aka AF

Affirmative.

Minot resident = Local/townie/NoDak, etc....

AF personnel = baser/wingnut/zoomie, etc...


I was in the second group...


Way back in the day, Zoomie = AFA grad...

I'm babbling, sorry...

Hey Tom - what was the name of the little steak house between Minot and Minot AFB. It had a stream in it, I think??? That joint must be closed by now.

Bob
Field and Stream. They went out of business a few years ago. Friends of mine bought it and remodeled and are living it as a home. Kind of strange. Their children are all grown and gone. So the two of them live in this huge house.
What is your last name. I wonder if I know your older sister and brother.

Tom:

I can't divulge that information.

I'm sure my bestest buddy Ike would be disappointed if I were to lose my psuedo status.

BTW, the Field & Stream bldg would be a really cool house.

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Has this thread drifted a little off topic? That's OK. The activity keeps the phrase "Republicans are loony wingnuts" high on the newest activity list, and I enjoy that.

Just trying to get things back on track:



There's an mc.home thread that's just crying out for Rep. Taylor's input...

She says herself she will think of the right thing to say five minutes after she sits down. Maybe the legislature needs some kind of "let me think before I speak" option.

Bob L.
Marty & Mitzi?

And then there's this:

http://www.northernbroadc...geted.aspx

I'm a little confused by the concept of "misapplying" the first clause of the 14th amendment:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I asked the learned constitutional scholars on mc.home this question as well, but it may be a while before they reply, so I'll bring it up here: where's the confusion? It looks pretty straightforward to me.

you are as ignorant as the day is long bridgier.

yall should investigate eldridge cleaver, he is one of the founders of the black panthers.. a devout communist, and a radical...

here is a quote for you socialists..." I would rather be in jail in america than free any where else." you need to know that he was exiled to communist countries, one of them cuba..

he then went on to say this..."I was wrong and the black panthers were wrong....we are inside the system and I feel that the number one objective for black america is to recognize that they have the same equal rights under the constitution as ford and rockefeller, even if we have no blue chip stocks. but our membership in the United States is the supreme blue chip stock and the one we have to exercise."

this man thought along the same lines you liberals do, and after living in the countries that yall think the united states should become he came to realize his errors in his thinking...so why dont you communists move to one of these great nations you want the united states to emulate and then decide...your ideology is going to destroy, what he realized through experience to be true, the greatest nation to exist on the earth... you STUPID traitors....stupid stupid stupid

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Well then, I'm all ears. Please educate me in my ignorance.

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there is no helping you bridgier, you got your hand out and you want what you want...MOVE TO CANADA...AND GET WHAT YOU WANT, dont change my country...

Wait wait wait wait...

You want to amend the constitution, but I'm the one who wants to "change your country"?

I'm still waiting for illumination, fyi.

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ok, how do i want to amend the constitution?
i edited my post bridgier...so what do you think about elderadge cleaver? someone that has lived the life you want???

So, why should I care about "elderadge cleaver[sic]" with respect to the 14th amendment?

I really am ignorant on the connection - please enlighten me.

well he is a black man, privy to socialistic governments.

so why was the fourteenth ammendment enacted? bridgier?

Who the heck is elderadge cleaver and what does an a cooking implement with an old edge have to do with the 14th amendment?

Seriously, calm down, write what you mean to say, edit it, look it over for spelling and grammatical errors, then try to determine if what you are saying is comprehensible to someone else. If we can't understand an argument, how on earth can be judge it?

I'm not calling you names or judging you. I'm just trying to UNDERSTAND what you mean. In plain, correct English that is not open to confusion. I realio trulio cannot figure out what the heck you are talking about.

amorette, i talk to people occasionally that escaped governments that you want to impliment here in the United States...and they ask me why i dont do something...their complaint is that it all starts out like you socialists desire and ends up out of control...that is why elderidge cleaver is relevant...did you understand that?? can you and your finite brain comprehend that?

What my poor finite brain hasn't been able to grasp since we started this "discussion", is what connection any of your rambling has had to do with the 14th amendment - you know, the topic that started us down this particular rabbit hole, the one that inspired you to observe that I'm "as ignorant as the day is long"?

Because I get the feeling that I'm trying to talk about "X", but you're talking about "!X", and therein lies our confusion.

well answer the question then...why was the 14th amendment enacted?

Off the top of my head... to establish beyond a doubt what constituted citizenship, and to remove it from the vicissitudes of political feeling?

But regardless of the WHY, what does the first clause SAY, and how could it be misapplied? I don't want a diversion into a history of the black panthers, or an excerpt from Ayn Rand or whatever. Just an example of how the 14th amendment, as written, could be misapplied. That's it.

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Bridgier,

Surely you have something better to do on a Friday night than argue with a block of wood.

well i went to the home site, and you know damn good and well why the amendment was enacted. it had nothing to do with illegal alliens you door knob..so i guess republicans are right, abortion should be illegal because it is against the law to murder someone. according to you..letter of the law versus the spirit of the law....stupid girl


and windy, conversating with me is the most important thing this ding bat could do,,you and amorette are included in the ding bat clause....stupid girls

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hey bill freese....hope i helped you out a little..keep on smiling commie....

conversating????????? LOL LOL LOL


Urban Dictionary: conversate A word used by backwards, ignorant, illiterate inner city trash who mean to say 'converse'.

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hehehehe....you comedican with me beeotch??????

I still don't understand what Eldridge Cleaver has to do with the 14th amendment. Everything Mr. Bruce says is clear as mud. Why won't he just say straight up what the h*ll he is talking about? Is it because he doesn't have any idea what the h*ll is talking about.

Oh, yeah. That would be it.

As Emily Litella said. . .

"well i went to the home site"

From what planet does the "home site" originate, aarhead?

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The "Republicans are loony wingnuts" thread had devolved into name calling! I am shocked.

The Republicans think the 14th amendment is misapplied because its not being applied the way they think it should be applied. They think that the children of illegal aliens born in this country should not be citizens. The 14th amendment has no exceptions, so in order to deny citizenship, they'll have to amend the constitution.

At least the House came to its senses (sort of) and admitted that requiring a woman to undergo a medical procedure she didn't need while complaining about government interference in medical care was a bit hypocritical. The ultrasound measure failed! A little bit of sanity prevailed. Yay!

Mathew Schmitz, it appears that you anger towards Republicans is just seething out of you. First of all Sinrud didn't have 23 bills he have 7 and passed 4 it is really easy to get the correct facts. However it appears that you are not well educated on the issues and love to exaggerate or make up the truth. This is why politics is wicked and people are sick of it. Grow up get a life and get your facts straight.
Michael Johns!

My facts came right out of Sinruds mouth. He was on local radio all the time here, and those were the numbers he gave himself, more than once. If you have a problem with my facts, then you too should have a problem with Sinrud. If those numbers are wrong, then he is obviously a liar, trying to inflate his importance. He is the definition of a loony wingnut, and I will stand by that all day long.

More idiocy from the Republican morans:

http://www.billingsnews.c...Itemid=116

Thanks. That was a great column!

I have a suspicion Mr. Gunnar that we may read some of the same blogs... http://mtcowgirl.com ?

I also loved that article. I am almost in awe at the amount and assine quality of the legislation that has been brought up and approved by the republic majority in Helena since they convined. I am amazed also that they think they know better than the majority of the voters and voted to appeal an inititive that was passed by almost a 2/3 majority of the state. I am not stupid. I know what I voted for and would do it again. I feel these republicans should opoligize to the voters of Montana for insulting us. Leif

That is correct, Bridgier. I bookmarked that blog after our Republican Tea Party candidate in Helena (WHOM WE DID NOT ELECT) showed up in that blog holding a gun and wearing a t-shirt saying "Jihad this!" It's a pretty good site to keep up on Montana politics.

Contrary to what Mr. Bruce and Mr. Allen say on the milescityhome.com website....you are pretty smart for a girl.

No offense, but Bridgier is among the homeliest girls I've ever met.

So I guess it's good that Bridgier is smart.

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Wow, so i'm suppose to believe that you and take verbatim your word now, since Sinrud has been out of the legislature since serving in the 2007 session. Schmitz, I think you are just a angry person and have taken Sinrud's comments and misrepresented them and now you are maligning him and his record. This is the typical political garbage that angry people like yourself uses to misinform people. Get a life and in fact maybe you should talk to former Speaker Mathews about Sinrud. I'm sure they have a good relationship and are friends, however it appears Schmitz that you are well uninformed and over opinionated without facts for grow up and talk about the issues of today not the past and if you want to malign someone maybe you should malign yourself.

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Sinrud aside Mr. Johns... what do you think of the current crop of Republicans? Are you pleased with their performance? Are you happy to see the state legislature waste your time and money tilting at the nullification windmill? Sinrud is irrelevant beyond serving as an illustration of past intransigence.

I'm liberated woman Bob - I haven't shaved my legs or indulged in bulimia in years.

From the MT Cowgirl's blog: "A slate of backwoods-ers appears to have been flown in from out of state to support the bill."

Nope. Unfortunately they're from right here in Montana.

On another note...Five or six years ago "The Balyeat Family Band" played Montana Fair in Billings. They were a Jesus band but they played like hell, sounded like poop and were weeeeiiiiiirrrrdddd!
Their even weirder, crazy eyed uncle is now a part Montana's legislature. He was on the news the other day supporting the death penalty, citing Biblical references. Jesus would be proud.

He's been there a few terms now Bob. Another fine example of right wing lunacy from here in Bozeman. He's the same legislator that was fined by FWP for shooting an elk on private property without permission. "That fence"? I didn't know THAT fence was the boundary! The rules just don't apply to these wing nuts. When we all learn and understand that, the entire state will be better off.
Disclaimer - The above post is in no way shape or form intended to disparage those with wings or nuts.

I'm liberated woman Bob - I haven't shaved my legs or indulged in bulimia in years.

Thanks for the nightmare fuel.

That is not how you throw an atalatl.

HEHEHEHE.......TEACHERS CALLIN IN SICK SO THEY CAN PROTEST...THAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE STUDENTS AINT IT...LOL...LOONEY WING NUT LIBERALS.....

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Not only are Republicans loony wingnuts, they are also idiots. Aaron Bruce is a classic example.

Go crawl back to milescityhomo.com and whine about the Bilderberg conspiracy some more, dumbass.

Here's one for aaron...

hey guys, i take it you did not approve of my refulgent post.
here is another one for you commies..

DEMS THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE MONEY IN THE COFFERS TO FUND PUBLIC WORKERS PENSIONS AND HEALTH CARE AFTER THE LOONEY WING NUTS SPENT 4 TRILLION DOLLARS IN TWO YEARS...LOONEY WING NUT DEMS...

hey gunnar, guess what. I am tough enough to CRAWL any where i want.

Dumbass.

Soooo.... your post is "refulgent" because it is in all CAPS? Strange choice of words.

How about Sen. Joe McCarthy...another republican to be proud of that ruined many lives while he was in action IMO...How scary a man was he...WOW...

Careful Howdy... you're dating yourself.

Howdy may have baby-sat him.

"The only good republican is one that is not in office"

Well, I was born in 1945, so doubt I babysat him, but always regarded him as completely despicable...

Please, can we restrict this thread to current in-state examples of Republicans being loony wingnuts. That will provide more than enough material to post. For example:

http://scienceblogs.com/t...ks_glo.php

I did love that article, Bill. Why, it stands to reason if sea level rises 20 feet and vast coastal areas are flooded, then all those displaced people will have to move to Montana and our property values will consequently go up. Its a win-win for everyone!

The mtcowgirl site has a nice countdown of the wingnut bills:

1. Legalize hunting with hand-thrown spear (Senate Bill 112)

2. Create fully-armed militia in every town (House Bill 278)

3. Allow legislators to carry weapons in the Capitol (Senate Bill 279)

4. Create an 11 person panel with authority to nullify all federal laws (House Bill 382)

5 Allow guns in schools (House Bill 558)

6. Eliminate educational requirements for persons seeking job of State Superintendent of Schools (HB 154)

7. Lift nuclear ban for purpose of building a nuclear reactor in the Flathead Valley (House Bill 326)

8. Withdraw the United States of America from the United Nations (Senate Joint Resolution 2)

9. Eliminate all state incentives for developing wind power (House Bill 244)

10. Omit Barak Obama's name from the 2012, ballot because his father was born outside of America (House Bill 205)(this guy was on CNN this week)

11. Compulsory marriage counseling for people seeking a divorce (House Bill 438)

12. Give sheriffs authority over the federal government in terror investigations (Senate Bill 114)

13. Legalize hunting with silencers (House Bill 174)

14. Lift the prohibition on carrying concealed weapons in bars, churches and banks (House Bill 384)

15. Eliminate law that requires landlords to install carbon monoxide detectors (House Bill 354)

16. Require the federal government to prove in court that the National Parks were lawfully aquired. (House Bill 506)

17. Officially designate the "Code of the West" as the "Code of Montana" (Senate Bill 216)

I really think they should introduce a bill requiring legislators to undergo intelligence and sanity tests before they are allowed to serve.

That would drastically reduce the pool of qualified people available to serve. But maybe that's a good thing.

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I really think they should introduce a bill requiring legislators to undergo intelligence and sanity tests before they are allowed to serve.

There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don't know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president.
-Kurt Vonnegut

I sometimes read the threads here for a good chuckle and sometimes get overly annoyed, that's when I hit that little "x" at the top right hand side of the screen and walk away like some others should do but never post anything. TIL NOW, sorry its super long but I have a few things to comment on.

Aaron, your comments on 2/11 about, Eldridge Cleaver are rather confusing and I am not sure if you know much about Mr. Cleaver or if you are just vomiting information you've heard hoping it all comes together. Regardless,This is what I know. Mr. Cleaver was arrested in 1957 for committing rape and was convicted of assault with intent to murder. While in prison he wrote numerous essays, which later were published as "Soul on Ice", in these essays he acknowledges committing rape on black women, in which he considered practice for rapes he later committed on white women. This was a sick person. In other writings, after he served prison time, he comments on joining the Black Panther Party due to their commitment to armed struggle (aka guerrilla warfare). Cleaver later jumped bail and fled to Cuba, after ambushing Oakland police officers. He later went to Algeria. Cleaver didn't leave the "communist" Black Panther Party; he left the armed Black Panther Party because he didn't want to put down the weapons, while the rest of the party leaders felt the need to in response with government sanctions against other radical groups. The violence was the primary motive behind Cleaver joining the Black Panther, and the primary reason for him splitting with the party. Cleaver then returned to America and became a "born again" Christian, and repudiated his radical past which helped in his sentencing of only probation for the assault in which he fled the country to Cuba.
So Aaron you think because Mr. Cleaver said the Black Panther Party is wrong, that he was no longer a communist? Do you think he actually told the truth once he came back from Algeria or was he just appeasing the courts hoping for no jail time? I believe he talked bad about the Black Panther Party and other communists groups just as many of us talk bad about any relationship or group that we split up with due to conflicting philosophies of achieving a goal, not mentioning helping him with his court case. And in response to your comment "so what do you think about elderadge cleaver? someone that has lived the life you want???" I really don't know anyone on this thread but doubt anyone wants to live the life of a violent serial rapist. Correct me if I'm wrong people. I know this convo is irrelevant now but I see where Aaron was going with it (Cleaver was a commie went to a commie country hated it and came back not a commie. Right?), just a bad example though.

What does everyone think about the Unions in WI??

"Top 10 Shocking Attacks from the GOP War on Women"

"1) Republicans not only want to reduce women's access to abortion care, they're actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven't.

2) A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to "accuser." But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain "victims."

3) In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.)

4) Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids.

5) In Congress, Republicans have proposed a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.

6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids' preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.

7) And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool.

8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens.

9) Congress voted yesterday on a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country.

10) And if that wasn't enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. (For humans. But Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses. You can't make this stuff up)."

As a woman, I am angry and baffled. Why are we hated? Do all these guys have bad relationships with their mothers or something?

What is appalling is that in the 21st century, the Republicans are determined to turn back the clock and make women second class citizens whose only purpose is to breed and obey.

Seriously, I would like a Republican to explain WHY women are deserving of this abuse. Why poor women and children are to be treated as if they were a scourge upon the earth? Are men so threatened by women that they must go back to treating us like chattel in order to affirm their pitiful egos?

Only a "True Believer" could read that list and think it sounds credible.

Question... did you actually look any of that stuff up and/or try to get a broader perspective on what's actually going on?

Or is a copy and paste from a left-wing website all that's required? If so, I think a simple link would cover it.

http://pol.moveon.org/waronwomen/?rc=fb

We get it. Moveon.org hates Republicans. The more shrieking the better.

Much to much here to read in detail.

As for my opinion on democrats it is as follows....

Having served in the Viet Nam war I have not voted for a democrat since......not one! Of course sometimes I am obligated not to vote for the republican either but for different reasons.

Rick as you know we used to banter back and fourth on certain issues until we were blue in the face. I now see people banter back and fourth five years later on the same issues that we covered. So I find it much more civilized to copy and paste and move on with my time than to rehash arguments that neither you or I could solve years ago.

How about them Packers.

Only a "True Believer" could read that list and think it sounds credible.

Then he posts the link to the original, which cites all the sources. Yup. It is credible. Thanks, Rick.

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He's such a rick.

So which items on that top ten list aren't credible, Rick? Which ones don't you agree with? Do any items on the list seem a little embarrassing?

I wonder why these zygote loving Republicans so hate women and children. Why do they want to turn women into breeding chattel? Are they that afraid of us?

All of them are pure hyperbole, but this one's my favorite

6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids' preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.

One, is a county now obligated to fund preschool? Is any county that doesn't really saying "Women should really be home with the kids, not out working?" If so, I'd think some of you progressives are living in the wrong place. I doubt there are many counties that fund preschools. If one felt it could no longer afford to do so, that's hardly worth national attention, which brings me to

Two, this is one county among thousands in the US. I could make a top-10 list just of crap that came out of the People's Republic of Berkeley in the last year that could outdo what moveon.org spent countless hours researching nationwide.

I do believe Custer County has pre-school programs at Highland Park, Jefferson and Garfield schools, not sure if county helps with funding at Head Start or not. That said, there may be different definitions of pre-school programs here and that may be part of the misunderstanding. I suspect that is part of the conflict in ideas. We all have our own vision of what others are talking about and they may not be close to what the one talking is envisioning.

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Rickenhawk wrote:

I could make a top-10 list just of crap that came out of the People's Republic of Berkeley in the last year that could outdo what moveon.org spent countless hours researching nationwide.

Yes, Rickenhawk, because Cal-Berkeley has the power to pass laws.

http://www.contracostatim...ci_8120433

As far as COUNTY funding goes for preschool, I'd be pretty surprised if our county offers any. That's not to say preschool doesn't exist in the county. But the Maryland county in question isn't preschool-free either.

But now the standard is if any county doesn't pay for pre-school, it's sending its women back to the virtual kitchen. Seems like the progressives better get busy liberating most, if not all, Montana counties.

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Here's another one that's great.

5) In Congress, Republicans have proposed a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.

Is there any evidence this has ever actually happened anywhere? Is a hospital obligated to perform an abortion under current law? I would doubt it.

But I doubt there's any real evidence of mothers needing an immediate abortion to save their life.

You might as well say

In Congress, Republicans have proposed a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion to save the galaxy from threat of Alien invasion.

But I doubt there's any real evidence of mothers needing an immediate abortion to save their life.

Apparently Rick missed this little gem wherein a nun, a high-level administrator of St. Joseph's Hospital, was excommunicated for allowing an abortion on a woman who would likely die if she continued her pregnancy.

http://www.politicsdaily....hers-life/

Perhaps Rick thinks that pregnancy is akin to having a pimple.

Actually, I know someone personally who had to have an abortion to save her life because she would have bled to death without it. But I suppose she should have bled to death, along with her fetus, in order to prove a politician's point.

She could've easily found another hospital willing to do the procedure. Hospitals turn away patients outside of their areas of practice all the time. The idea that all facilities should offer abortion, even from a strictly medical (if not ethical) standpoint isn't credible.

What if a doctor feels medically or ethically unable to perform an "emergency" abortion? Are you going to strip their license? Maybe a little jail time?

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In other words, the life of a woman isn't worth caring about. Just push her down the road and if she dies on the way, bitch deserved it.

Uh ok.

More like, it's one thing for you to make a choice for your own health.

It's another for you to force someone to enact your choice in violation of their conscience.

Seriously... what if a doctor says "No, I don't do abortions"

Are you going to make that illegal?

What if the woman dies awaiting medical attention? What do you say to the survivors? Gee, I'm glad your high standards weren't compromised but this woman is dead. Is that murder? Allowing a person to die for lack of medical attention? Hospitals used to turn people of the 'wrong' race away and allowed them to die for lack of medical attention and we eventually saw that as wrong.

This is not a case of a woman wanting an abortion. This a case of a woman who will DIE without an abortion. She will die and the fetus is already dead or dying. So, what would you say? Let her bleed to death on my floor because I will not use my skills to save her?

Extreme? Yes, but these cases do occur. And when you say it is okay to allow a woman to die because you are offended by the procedure necessary to save her life, then I wonder just how highly you judge life.

Hate to tell you Amorette, but what moveon.org is accusing Dirty Republicanses of is basically already the law of the land.

I think almost every, if not every, state in the Union has a conscience clause to prevent just the kind of thing you're demanding.

Even President Obama's proposed new federal Conscience Clause revisions don't go so far as to demand Abortion from those who don't want to provide it. Where's the moveon.org outrage there?

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You guys are so tough arguing over the Internet. I wish I was as tough as a democrat. Obama is a Muslim

The idea that all facilities should offer abortion, even from a strictly medical (if not ethical) standpoint isn't credible.

What if a doctor feels medically or ethically unable to perform an "emergency" abortion? Are you going to strip their license? Maybe a little jail time?

If this is what you thought I was proposing, you are mistaken. I simply meant to show you that there are indeed cases where an abortion is required to save the life of the mother. You had stated doubt about that fact. I have no problem with doctors who don't want to do abortions due to their belief systems. I do however think that if the doctor on call in the ER won't do the procedure there should be a back-up doctor on hand who will.

I didn't say I doubted that women in some situations risked their lives by going through with a pregnancy. Pregnancy in and of itself has risks.

I mostly doubted that there were many scenarios where an immediate abortion would help, and couldn't wait to be transferred to a facility that did them.

I think Catholic Health Care is the largest private health care provider in the country. And for the most part, none of them do abortions. And I think most of them would rather shut their doors first.

She could've easily found another hospital willing to do the procedure.

It appears that there are two clinics that perform abortions, one in Livingston and one in Missoula. Perhaps it is not so easy to find another hospital.

On television this evening, a statistic was given that only 13% of US women have easy access to these procedures.

She was in Phoenix. Shouldn't have have been a problem.

As for Montana, that's just the nature of rural health care. We're all at risk for lack of access to certain procedures. Every time you hear the medevac flights coming in to town, you'll hear another example.

On television this evening, a statistic was given that only 13% of US women have easy access to these procedures.

Actually, Kelly, the statistic is that only 13% of all U.S. counties have abortion providers. That's different than saying only 13% of all women have access. I would assume that the more populated the county the more likely there is an abortion provider.

If a woman is bleeding to death, minutes count. I realize that the life of a woman is nothing compared to the principles of a man so she deserves to bleed to death because she had a undetected uterine deformity that was causing the placenta to detach and bleed. In that case, of course she should die so that no man is forced to do something against his will. Fortunately for my friend, the hospital she was rushed to was willing to perform the necessary procedure and she is alive today.

hey guys, can we talk about dumbass teachers in wisconsin? two thirds of the eighth grade students in that state cant read at a proficient level. teachers aparantly dont know simple math or economics, and their ethics are in question to boot...stupid looney republican teachers in wisconsin..

aaron is pulling a Rick K. Suddenly the illiterate are very concerned about education. Remember when Rick wanted to save those poor, mistreated women in Iraq? What a procreateing joke.

After Aarons last comment, this seemed appropriate...

Very True!

Thanks for posting howdy.

what gets me is that our looney republican president wont allow drilling in the united states in regards to what is going on in the middle east...

fuel prices are gonna kill us economically
public sector unions are gonna kill us economically
entitlement programs are gonna kill us economically

the communist protestors in wisconsin, new york, indiana and who knows where else...are you sure you want to support that? did communism ever benefit those not in the government loop? hell no it did not...what happened in egypt? the google guy, who instigated the protests was kicked out and the muslim brother hood took over...
wasnt code pink involved in the egyptian protest?

cmon ladies and gentlemen.....poop is about to hit the fan economically and you are bitching about abortion. i remember what you commies were saying when bush was in office and gas hit 3.00 a gallon...where is your outrage now?

Yawn...another Rick K. change of the subject.

Why don't you start a new thread in National News, Politics & Issues about fuel prices and energy crisis?

gunnar you are a punk and always have been and always will be..

let me put it to you like this..how in the hell is that darling young lady that needs an abortion so bad gonna be able to drive to an abortion clinic to get it if fuel prices hit 5.00 a gallon? does that work for you wimp?

Apparently, aaron is part of the club that believes oil comes from the corpses of magic ponies buried beneath the permafrost.

We hit peak oil in the US a long time ago - the only time it will become truly economical to drill for oil in the US is... after gas is already at $5 a gallon.

But musrims. scary.

douchebag says what?

Well, of course oil comes from the corpses of magic ponies. That is all part of God's master plan. Didn't you read the CliffsNotes?

http://www.huffingtonpost...24312.html

great, it is aparant that yall are capable of self colonoscopies, and if you head up there with a mouth full of toothbrushing spit you are capable of givin yourselves deep cleansing enemas......you hypocrites...enjoy the fruits of your actions woosies...

hey muletrain, my number is 2856642...if you got a problem with it

aaron...what do you want to talk about? Do you usually go around posting your phone number on the internet for the entire world to see? That is offically one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. It automatically discredits everything that you have said on this website. "Oh, listen to me everyone...I'm aaron bruce and I am highly intelligent...I understand all there is to know about politics...I have a very informed opinion"

Nope...you are just a bozo who posted their phone number on an internet blog site. Congratulations.

Call me what you want, but you're a bozo.

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Remember when Rick wanted to save those poor, mistreated women in Iraq?

Or as I like to say of our more left-leaning friends "Crying Gitmo Tears"

Anywho, I know shouting "Look, Wall Street CEO!" in a crowded theater passes for an argument around here, but really... what does that have to do with a flat-broke Wisconsin and it's failing pension system?

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So what is the condition of the cracked wheat bread out at WalMart? Is it now "unmouselested" and just loafing around?

I realize that the life of a woman is nothing compared to the principles of a man so she deserves to bleed to death because she had a undetected uterine deformity that was causing the placenta to detach and bleed. In that case, of course she should die so that no man is forced to do something against his will.

I'm really not sure what you're getting at with the 'principles of a man' or 'no man' stuff. I'm not sure if that's the 'only men are pro-life' stereotype or the 'doctors are men' stereotype coming through.

But lately, I think women as a demographic have trended more pro-life than men.

And women are definitely the vast majority of new OB/GYNs. I'm guessing they probably have a large majority overall in the field, but if not, they will shortly.

Or are you saying that most 'Women' doctors would never object to performing an abortion like a 'Man' doctor would?

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hey muletrain, my number is 2856642...if you got a problem with it

Some night soon, probably during some sort of Emilsson homebrew family reunion, you're really going to regret that one.

Now that we've got his phone number, we can sign him up for all kinds of great poop. HAHAHAHAHAHAh

Some night soon, probably during some sort of Emilsson homebrew family reunion, you're really going to regret that

Rick, you forget....our dear mother, who turns 75 tomorrow, taught us always to be compassionate towards "the special ones" amongst us.

While it has been hard, we Emilssons will reserve our intellectual barbs and jousts for you....as since Richard apparently has defected from the loony wingnut side, you apparently are the only somewhat intelligent individual who keeps up the wingnut banner....albeit in your always fluent Rickspeak, which has already been discussed ad nauseum on this forum.

I already regret some of my earlier comments towards Mr. Bruce. You will note my last comment was a simple entreaty to redirect his post to another, more appropriate, forum on this website.

Perhaps you can direct us to a wiser forum defending said Republican lunacy, as all the Republican boards addressing the current Montana legislature are either: (A) appalled at the idiots they elected, mistakenly thinking they were going to work at creating jobs; or (B) are posters more of Mr. Bruce's sophomoric mentality.

We await.

lol...you commies are sackless....

I'll make sure to be less sackless around 3 am

If households budgeted like the G.O.P.
http://editorialcartoonis....cfm/96146

Thanks Bill! You just made my day.

Lord William, that is a good one!

I wouldn't mind $5 per gallon. I drive about 4000 miles a year in my Prius. I think that's what needs to happen to wake us up about oil consumption.

sheeple.............mindless little cowards..............i think you idiots can best be described as lemmings.......you are traitors to the constitution and your country.......friggin little communists...pathetic

I see aaron got his period.

Well, I am somewhat relieved with that news....I was afraid, that due to the current inclement weather, that WalMart did not get its shipment in from the Tampax Corporation.....yet aaron is alive and posting.

I called you a lemming first, fool.

sheeple.............mindless little cowards..............i think you idiots can best be described as lemmings.......you are traitors to the constitution and your country.......friggin little communists...pathetic

Give it up, folks. You cannot hope to argue with logic like that.

Gunnar, I think I'm a day late, but tell your mom Happy Birthday for me, unless she reads it here first.

As for finding better spokespeople... my feeling is many of our best and brightest are probably much smarter than me and might view this mutual brick-wall head-banging we do here as a huge waste of time.

I can't really argue with that point of view. Maybe I'm just more of a glutton for punishment.

Ahh Newt. You are a hoot!

http://www.washingtonpost...1022503108

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Somebody is running for president.

Woo hoo! The Legislative session is OVER! The loony wingnuts are on their way home!

Way to go, friggin' WINGNUTS!!!! You have embarassed this state with your nutjobs and stupidity. We are now the laughing stock of the country thanks to you!

I love the irony that they refused to pass the bonding bill, the ONLY bill that would directly create jobs. 2,700 jobs.

People, remember these idiots and vote them out of office in 2012.

The other day my mom and I had a "My idiots are stupider than your idiots" competition. We decided it was a tie.

This is by far the worste legislative session I have seen in my life.
I also hope the voters remember how this bunch wasted this session and embarressed the state on the national scale with the retarded legislation they came up with. They created no jobs and in fact got rid of the medical marijuana industry that actually had created some jobs and grew and sold a montana product to people who now have to go back to buying it imported from the drug cartels who really are the criminals. But my biggest hope is we have a large turnout at the next election and send some reasonable and intellegent people to Helena next time. Leif

I forget who said this, but it certainly sums up this last legislative session. "Those who are too smart to engage in politics are destined to be governed by those who are dumber."

Plato said something like that.

Bad decisions and goofball politics are occurring on both sides of the aisle at all levels of government (check out your local School District Board for an example) and in all communities of all states across our country.

This is not only evidence of an electoral system that is in imbalance now with Birthers and Death Panel Paranoics turning out in droves while more rational people stay home and ---- RATIONALIZE that their vote doesn't mean anything. It is a serious threat to the economic health of our nation and the well-being of future generations.

And whose fault is all of this? My guess is the fault lies in three arenas:

1) Lack of True Leadership: We need statesmen & women, NOT politicians and certainly not celebrities pretending to be politicins whose ego-stroking only further muddies the waters, making it ever harder to have a productive conversation about real issues.

2) A Mainstream Media that no longer has the intelligence to distinguish news from rumor-mongering and focuses way too heavily on entertainment vs. education. Put another way, media mogus are far too concerned with generating profits for a few instead of creating value for all involved.

3) The age old problem of American voter apathy, made all the more evident by witnessing people in Egypt and elsewhere lay their lives on the line for the privilege of self-governance. As the nation that created Democracy, we have been shamed by those who have never enjoyed it.

Just sayin'

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fabulous comment and oh so true!!!

While in general agreement, the only problem is that we are not the nation that created "Democracy". Ironically, Plato may have something to add.