We need to protect our borders.....
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1905) 11 years ago
...from Arizonans.

http://helenair.com/news/...20da7.html

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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 11 years ago
I dunno about these guys. Who escapes from prison in Arizona and tries to make for the Canadian border?
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 11 years ago
There never is a grizzly or wolf when you need them...
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Posted by Frank Cory (+231) 11 years ago
< dunno about these guys. Who escapes from prison in Arizona and tries to make for the Canadian border?>

Maybe they know something about how mexico treats illegals. Think maybe?
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 11 years ago
Well, I think I have to agree with Frank on this one. I would rather rot in a Canadian prison than a Mexican prison, for sure.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 11 years ago
Maybe they know something about how mexico treats illegals. Think maybe?


I dunno. Mexico let a whole bunch of mormons illegally squat on its land in 1847. Nothing happened to them.
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Posted by Frank Hardy (+1606) 11 years ago
Except it was murder on their backs.
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Posted by Frank Cory (+231) 11 years ago
<I dunno. Mexico let a whole bunch of mormons illegally squat on its land in 1847. Nothing happened to them.>

1847???aahh whats a hunert an fity years? Like to see you try squatin down there right now. Think they'd point you to a sanctuary city, let you sign up for benefits and wave an american flag, give the finger to the Federales? Only in America can these people get away with such....and this is a a terrible terible country....shame on us for wanting to control our borders.

Those ragheads ( and sicko libs) trying to get that mosque in New York City are another example of the progressive sickness currently infecting this country. Funny aint it? They can fly our airliners into our landmarks slaughtering thousands, cut the throats of innocent people on video, beat and behead their women at will...and then say they want the mosque to help spread understanding of the peace that Islam brings. They can keep their peace and understanding...and the politcal correctness nonesense that allows this to happen.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 11 years ago
How do you think all the Central and South Americans get here, Frank? They come through Mexico.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 11 years ago
Frank, you are a retard. It must suck to have a soul as crabbed and stunted as yours. I know you think you've got the fast-pass to the pearly gates and all, but I certainly wouldn't want to have to explain to whomever greets me there how "freedom in christ" somehow equals "asshole".

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Posted by Tucker Bolton (+3677) 11 years ago
I don't know, Frank may have a point. I was camping at Lewis and Clark Caverns State Park last week and the place was absolutely crawling with Canadians. God only knows what those hosers were up to, ey?

I saw them playing a game with my grand daughters they called ladder toss. It looked dangerous to me. Well, I got them the hell out of there before they could start talking about the NHL and trying to corrupt them with loonies and toonies.
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Posted by Smiley (+847) 11 years ago
Frank (cory, not hardy) I hope you are gagged because of your extremely racist and insensitive comment. You are ignorant. If you are referring to a certain group of people, I'd hope you'd know not to use comments like the one you just did. Drive through Compton, CA and yell the "n" word out the window, then we can be rid of you.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 11 years ago
Mr. Cory, with which religion did Adolf Hitler associate himself?
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Posted by Smiley (+847) 11 years ago
SLAMMMMMM!!!! Go Denise!


Biography about Mr. Frank Cory (unauthorized)

Here is a summary,

Mr. Frank Cory was born in Montana, no not the state, but the set of the popular children's TV show Hannah Montana. Apparently, the "skankifying" of a Miss Miley Cyrus showed Frank that not everything is what it seems.

Now we follow Frank through his trial and tribulations of doing what is right, but it could cause some serious issues. What happens when a Man, not smart enough to do anything worthwhile, decides to persuade everyone that HIS delusions are fact, and anything or anybody different is out to get us?


The New York Times gave us a stellar review, but Fox News said there was a grenade in every book that would detonate when you turned to page 23... oh well.
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+10001) 11 years ago
Denise Selk wrote:
Mr. Cory, with which religion did Adolf Hitler associate himself?

Might the answer be, Catholicism, later replaced by insanity, or some other weird concept? I don't remember all the strange crap from history class though.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 11 years ago
Hitler was raised in a Catholic family but did not attend church after leaving his parents' home.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 11 years ago
Levi is correct, however, Hitler continued to associate himself with the Christian faith throughout his life through his statements, which he used to support his twisted agenda. I think this is where that saying about the church and a garage should come into play, which is exactly my point.
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Posted by Frank Cory (+231) 11 years ago
<How do you think all the Central and South Americans get here, Frank? They come through Mexico.>

So? I'll bet they are really careful to keep their mouth shut and out of sight as much as possible too. You wont fing them acting like what La Raza gets away with here. You can bet the Federales would make sure they ended up in the dump if they complained about anything too.. If it weren't for Joe Arpio...you libs would have em all just waltzing through and then complaining because we didn't take care of them properly.
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Posted by Christen LeBlanc Ramsey (+271) 11 years ago
thank you smiley for calling out frank cory on his b-s racism!

so, anyone else have dueling banjos in their head after reading that 'Welch is McCluskey's fiancee and cousin'...
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Posted by Frank Cory (+231) 11 years ago
<Frank, you are a retard.>

I can't help it Brig....was born that way. Why do you bother with a retard? Why not go converse with someone who can match your massive intellect?





<It must suck to have a soul as crabbed and stunted as yours..

...boy and how! Some days it gets really tight in here.


<I know you think you've got the fast-pass to the pearly gates and all, but I certainly wouldn't want to have to explain to whomever greets me there how "freedom in christ" somehow equals "asshole>

I wouldn't let it bother you, brig. Your concern for me is truly touching..but alas...there's not much you can do for retards. Try not to worry yourself though. Tell you what... If you don't respond to my posts...i wont have to make a fool out of you either...fair enough?
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Posted by Frank Cory (+231) 11 years ago
<Mr. Cory, with which religion did Adolf Hitler associate himself?>

People "associate" all the time, Dear. "Associating" can mean lots of things. People call themsleves all kinds of things. Not only that..people can DO things .."in the name of" all kinds of things. So what?

Hitler was an atheist and to try to prove otherwise just proves how badly you want to make yourself out to be a fool. Don't bother showing me that he went to catholic school etc....Going to church does not make one religous...anymore than going swimming makes you a fish.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 11 years ago
I will disagree with you in that Hitler himself did not consider himself an Atheist, based on the statements he made declaring that he did believe in God, and that he was doing God's work. Really, isn't that what matters, what he believed his religious belief to be? It is the believer/non-believer who decides their religious beliefs, not the casual observer. Hitler stated he believed in God, so therefore he continued his Christian beliefs long after his Catholic school days.

However, I will agree with you that "Going to church does not make one religous...anymore than going swimming makes you a fish," which is the point. Because the 911 terrorists swore an allegiance to Islam, does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists, which is your implication, just as all Christians are not mass murderers because Hitler was a mass murder, and considered himself Christian. See the parallel? Or are the blinders on too tight today? You cannot have it both ways.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 11 years ago
Not that anyone in this thread still cares, but, one of the fugitives has been captured:



CODY - An escaped killer who fled a medium-security Arizona prison is being held in the Park County Jail and is set to be arraigned Tuesday morning.
Tracy Allen Province, 42, was captured Monday morning in Meeteetse, Wyo., after police received multiple tips from Park County residents saying they had spotted the fugitive, said Lt. Dave Patterson of the Park County Sheriff's Office.

Province and John Charles McCluskey, 45, fled the Kingman, Ariz., prison on July 30. A third inmate, Daniel Renwick, 35, was arrested in Rifle, Colo., a day later after a brief car chase during which he fired a weapon at a pursuing police vehicle, authorities say.
On Sunday, Arizona authorities said the two men and an alleged accomplice, Casslyn Welch, 43, may have been in the Yellowstone National Park area of Montana and Wyoming, the U.S. Marshals Service said.

Authorities now say Welch and McCluskey are no longer in Yellowstone - where more than 100 armed park rangers were patrolling the 3,400-square-mile park - but are in Montana. Authorities say they are both believed to have connections in that state.
Welch, a resident of Mesa, Ariz., is McCluskey's fiancee and cousin and turns 37 on Tuesday. Investigators describe them as armed and dangerous.
"They consider themselves as Bonnie and Clyde," said David Gonzales, the U.S. marshal for Arizona. "This is very, very serious business."
Patterson said personnel from his department worked with the U.S. Marshals Service "through the wee hours" Sunday night and Monday morning to follow up on tips and formulate a plan for capturing Province, whose escape had been widely publicized.
Deputy County Attorney Sam Krone said he would seek to have Province held without bail when he is arraigned on charges filed in Arizona related to his escape.
Krone said that Province can fight extradition to Arizona, but only under certain narrowly defined legal arguments focused on improper charges or mistaken identity. Krone said that most out-of-state defendants typically do not fight extradition.
Patterson said Province was picked up near the Oasis Motel in Meeteetse.

On Sunday, Province walked into Meeteetse Community Church. He was wearing blue jeans, a blue checkered flannel shirt, and a camouflage backpack slung over one shoulder, worshipper Jay Curtis said.

Province looked like the many hitchhikers who pass through town.
"Just shook his hand and said `Welcome, welcome to our church,' "' said Curtis, a member of the church band. "He just smiled and said: `Thank you.' "
Province closed his eyes and sang along with the band and seemed particularly engrossed when the band played "Your Grace is Enough" by Chris Tomlin, Curtis said.
After the service, Province walked across the street and sat down on the curb with his backpack, looking like a hitch-hiker. Curtis said the church pastor then paid Province to mow and trim the church lawn. Province got $40 and a jacket, authorities said.
The town came alive Sunday night with word drifting around that the stranger at the church was a fugitive, he said.
"It definitely made my wife and I and our children very nervous to think that was a convicted murderer in our town," Curtis said.
"We're just not used to that," Curtis said.""Little bitty Meeteetse, Wyoming, we just don't - they roll the sidewalks up around here at 8:30 at night."

A woman who had chatted briefly with Province on the steps of the church on Sunday called police after recognizing him later on television, said U.S. Marshal David Gonzales .
Local police received their first tip late Sunday afternoon, followed by many more, Patterson said.
Province was apprehended by U.S. marshals after he was seen walking through Meeteetse, which sits about 60 miles east of Yellowstone National Park.
He was carrying a hitchhiking sign with "Casper" written on it when he was arrested about 6:20 a.m., said Thomas Henman, a spokesman for the Marshals Service in Phoenix.
The man, who initially denied being Province, was also carrying a 9 mm handgun at the time, Henman said.
Henman said that, when Province was taken into custody on Monday, he said he was relieved to be caught.

Province spent Sunday night in Meeteetse, where he stayed at the Vision Quest Motel in room 27.
Cayenne Wagers is an employee of the motel who said she encountered the fugitive outside his second-floor room late Sunday night. She and a friend were walking their dogs when they struck up a conversation with the man.
Wagers said she was unaware he was the subject of a manhunt.
"I didn't even know about anyone escaping," the 18-year-old Wagers said.
She said she and her friend tried to end the talk several times, but Province kept initiating more conversation.

"I got up there and sensed something wasn't right," she said.
At least twice, as they tried to walk away, he blocked their path, she said, adding that it was not a threatening gesture.
Jailer Tod Larson declined to say whether Province was being held separately from the general population of about 67 inmates, but said that the facility was equipped to handle high-security prisoners.

Park County authorities would not comment on why Province was initially booked on Monday into the Hot Springs County jail in Thermopolis, Wyo., more than 20 miles farther from Meeteetse than the Park County jail.
They referred questions to the U.S. Marshals Service, which did not immediately return a call seeking additional information.

Authorities said Province, McCluskey and Renwick were able to flee the Arizona State Prison after Welch tossed wire cutters over a perimeter fence.
They later kidnapped two truck drivers at gunpoint and used the rig to get away. The drivers were left unharmed just off Interstate 40 in Flagstaff, Ariz., according to reports.
Gonzales said the fugitives are now suspected in the killings of a couple whose bodies were found Wednesday in New Mexico.

The skeletal remains of Linda and Gary Haas, both 61, were found Wednesday morning inside a burned camper near Santa Rose, N.M. The Oklahoma couple's pickup was discovered later that afternoon about 100 miles west of Albuquerque.
Henman said Arizona prison officials say the convicts belong to the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang, but there was no concrete information to tie them to white supremacist groups outside prison, according to CNN.

Province was serving a life sentence for a murder and robbery, while McCluskey was doing a 15-year stint behind bars for attempted second-degree murder and aggravated assault. Renwick was serving a 22-year sentence for second-degree murder, authorities say.
The Arizona Attorney General's Office on Monday charged two women, including McCluskey's mother, with helping the inmates after they escaped.
Some Yellowstone campers weren't concerned about the search, including four men from Pittsburgh who were taking a vacation.
"We're just driving around, stopping and getting out of the car"" Kevin Tonini said. "The odds of them being there aren't too good. It's a big park."
Others, however, were glad any potential danger had passed.
At the Mammoth Hot Springs campground, Khalid Ahmed and Bushra Malik of Calgary, Alberta, said they almost didn't come after hearing at their hotel on Sunday that the fugitives may have stayed at a campground in the park.
Ahmed said he and his wife had second thoughts momentarily, but decided to go ahead with their vacation.

They were happy to find the campground full, believing in safety in numbers, and even more so upon learning the search had shifted away from the park.
"It's a big relief," Ahmed said.""Hopefully we can sleep without fear."
Anyone with information on the fugitives is asked to call local police or the ASP Kingman Escapees Task Force in Arizona at 602-542-1212.

http://billingsgazette.co...03286.html
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Posted by Frank Cory (+231) 11 years ago
<Because the 911 terrorists swore an allegiance to Islam, does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists,>

I don't care what they swore allegiance too. A muslim is a muslim...and the koran is quite clear as to what their, .... ANY muslims' duty is. ..and if you think their duty is to being peace and love to non muslims.....then you need more help than anyone here can give... There is no such thing as a "moderate" muslim. If they are "moderate"...then they are not fulfilling their duty to the koran
and are not really a muslim....no matter what they call thensleves.....sabe?



<which is your implication, just as all Christians are not mass murderers because Hitler was a mass murder,>

You misunderstand.....Hilter was not a Christain not just because he murdered a lot of people. He was not a Christian because he had not a clue as to what a Christian is....and he cared not a whit for the things of God. He used religion just as many others have for their own gain. That is nothing new.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 11 years ago
I see...there is no such thing as a bad Christian. If you are bad, you are not a Christian. Interesting.

Also, the Qur'an is quite clear is it? Just for curiosity's sake, have you read it?

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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 11 years ago
I don't care what they swore allegiance too. A muslim is a muslim...and the koran is quite clear as to what their, .... ANY muslims' duty is. ..and if you think their duty is to being peace and love to non muslims.....then you need more help than anyone here can give... There is no such thing as a "moderate" muslim. If they are "moderate"...then they are not fulfilling their duty to the koran
and are not really a muslim....no matter what they call thensleves


That is simply not true, Frank. There are mosques all over this country where muslims gather, worship, and go home. Those I have encountered in public have been very friendly, decent, helpful people.

You really shouldn't paint with a wide roller, where a fine-tipped brush is a more appropriate tool to use. Honestly, your statements here do more to damage the cause of Christianity than it does to help it.

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Posted by Smiley (+847) 11 years ago
That's sad when everyone, black, white, christian, jewish, athesist, pagan, other and etc... can agree that Frank is a lunatic, and pretty much has nothing good to say. Frank, for the sake of humanity, please go away.

It's not that I want you away because I disagree with you, I disagree with a lot of people here and don't wish them gone. I want you gone because you are a hate mongering idiot.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 11 years ago
The New York Times gave us a stellar review, but Fox News said there was a grenade in every book that would detonate when you turned to page 23... oh well.


Sorry, Smiley. Up to this point I was right with you. But no one at Fox News has an attention span long enough to get to page 23 of a book, even one as fascinating to them as Frank Cory's biography.
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Posted by Smiley (+847) 11 years ago
ah you caught me wendy, lol, I made the whole thing up... if fox news can convince millions of americans that they report true news, I thought I could at least convince a few mc.com followers there was a frank cory biography

Haha.
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Posted by Frank Cory (+231) 11 years ago
<I see...there is no such thing as a bad Christian. If you are bad, you are not a Christian. Interesting.>

Yes and no. The Book says there is no "good" person anywhere no matter what you like to call yourself. However...there IS One who is truly good.

<Also, the Qur'an is quite clear is it? Just for curiosity's sake, have you read it?>

You don't have to read every verse in the thing to know that their favorite theme is not "live and let live"....and the ragheads don't seem to have a whole lot of tolerance for homosexuals or loud mouthed women. I hear burhkas are the in fashion for progressive women these days. Allah also thinks highly of those women who will wear self detonating belts of explosives. If you like being dominated and being repressed..then Islam is the worldview for you. I mean..far be it from me to tell you what to to wear.
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Posted by Frank Cory (+231) 11 years ago
<That is simply not true, Frank. There are mosques all over this country where muslims gather, worship, and go home. Those I have encountered in public have been very friendly, decent, helpful people.>

I can tell i'm not getting through. I am not the least concerned about what some muslims do and say. I am concerned about what they are TAUGHT to say and do. There can be "nice" people of any worldview. Being "nice".."friendly"...or "decent" is not the point. I'll say it one more time and then let it go. Islam is not a religion of moderation. It is a relgion of world domination and human supression. Open your eyes for just 5 minutes...the ONLY reason there are any so called "moderate" muslims is because they are not numerous enough to take control. When that mosque goes up in New York ...it will be one more sign of their triumph. Can you imagine Christians being so arrogant as to put up a church ANYWHERE in thier country let alone next to a monument of Allah?? Wake up Richard...liberalism has truly put you to sleep.





<You really shouldn't paint with a wide roller, where a fine-tipped brush is a more appropriate tool to use. Honestly, your statements here do more to damage the cause of Christianity than it does to help it.>

See above last sentence....
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Posted by Frank Cory (+231) 11 years ago
<That's sad when everyone, black, white, christian, jewish, athesist, pagan, other and etc... can agree that Frank is a lunatic,>

Speaking for all the masses again I see. How good of you. You and four others probably are "everyone" in your world though.





< and pretty much has nothing good to say. Frank, for the sake of humanity, please go away.>


Sorry dear. It appears that I'm your only chance. I can't let you get away with such nonesense. You are not an idiot and i do not hate you. Can't do a lot for you though until you at least calm down and begin to think rationally.

<It's not that I want you away because I disagree with you, I disagree with a lot of people here and don't wish them gone. I want you gone because you are a hate mongering idiot.>

No...not quite!. You wish me gone because you know without a doubt I speak the truth and you can't stand the truth. Progressivism is truly a mental disorder and its obviously got you suckered in.

I'm available to discuss these things anytime dear...no need for the invectives.....but you need to calm down before you have a stroke. Wouldn't want that on my concscience.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 11 years ago
Can you imagine Christians being so arrogant as to put up a church ANYWHERE in thier country let alone next to a monument of Allah??


Umm, what "country" would that be, Frank? There is no one Muslim country, just as there is no one Christian country. As to the question of arrogance, please don't make me laugh. There are arrogant people in every religion.

If you like being dominated and being repressed..then Islam is the worldview for you. I mean..far be it from me to tell you what to to wear.


Yes, and telling me what to believe is so much more helpful.
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Posted by Frank Cory (+231) 11 years ago
<Umm, what "country" would that be, Frank?>

Any country where sharia law exists. sheesh! Hey don't let that stop your silliness though..
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 11 years ago
Frank, we're gonna have such a good time in Hell. You should see what they do with pineapples. Can't wait to catch up with you, see you down there!
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 11 years ago
frank wrote:
blah blah blah blah ragheads blah blah blah liberals blah blah blah muslins blah blah blah

Peaceful morans, please refudiate.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 11 years ago
Any country where sharia law exists. sheesh! Hey don't let that stop your silliness though.


Well, let's be more specific. Are we talking about countries such as Iran, Pakistan, Nigeria, Sudan, Iraq, Egypt, Bahrain, Azerbaijan and Saudi Arabia? There are Christian churches in every single one of these examples, but one, and the Vatican is in discussions with the government of that country to open the first Christian church.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 11 years ago
Yeah, Frank. You got none. You know when Buck invites you, it's time to reevaluate. I'm already in Baltimore, it doesn't get much worse.
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Posted by Frank Cory (+231) 11 years ago
<Well, let's be more specific.> Why? You could care less about whether every last person ina particular country is Muslim or Christian. You just like playing sophomore.


< Are we talking about countries such as Iran, Pakistan, Nigeria, Sudan, Iraq, Egypt, Bahrain, Azerbaijan and Saudi Arabia?>

Yes, all of them. The missionaries just killed in Pakistan ought to tell you something. But no...not you. You're too clever for that.

< There are Christian churches in every single one of these examples,>

You are talking through your ass. You don't know that for a fact and if there are any small Christain groups they certainly aren't out in the open demanding that muslims let them build big megachruches....like we allow here. You don't see Christans around the world cutting the heads off people who don't agree with them do you? Well...DUH!
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 11 years ago
You are talking through your ass. You don't know that for a fact and if there are any small Christain groups they certainly aren't out in the open demanding that muslims let them build big megachruches....like we allow here.


No, sir, it would be you talking out of some orifice, but for the life of me I cannot tell which one. You say:

Can you imagine Christians being so arrogant as to put up a church ANYWHERE in thier country let alone next to a monument of Allah??


I point out that there are Christian churches in Muslim countries. I provide you specific names of countries. Now you tell me that I don't know this for a fact and that if there are small Christian groups, they are not out in the open.

Well, just as a few examples, Egypt has over two dozen CHURCHES, not small hidden groups of Christians. Pakistan has almost three million Christians. Nigeria's population consists of almost 50% Christians. Pretty large populations to be small hidden groups, and not too hidden if you can easily pull up church directories, with names and addresses, just like you can here in the United States.

Sir, you can insult me and belittle me all you want. I have dealt with my share of angry (bordering on delusional), belligerent people in my lifetime. You cannot rattle me, and if makes you feel better to trivialize me because you cannot intimidate me, then so be it. Whatever helps get you through the day.

I continue to post, when most assuredly others will see the light and save their time and energy, because I believe that blatant misinformation/propaganda needs to see the light of day. If you are going to make false statements, they need to be corrected so that others may not read them and take them at face value (although I would think most people would have seen the history here and questioned anything out of your orifice, however, stranger things have happened). Now, if you are just giving your opinion, more power to you, but you are blatantly misstating facts to further your purpose. You would be taken more seriously (as if less is possible) if you actually used facts to back up your arguments, instead of paranoid delusions.

It is quite obvious that you know nothing about Islam, but what you and your like-minded comrades believe to be the truth. What you know to be true are the Islamic Extremists, however, they are not representative of the faith any more than Nazis and Skinheads are representative of the Christian faith. "Jihad" is only a Pillar of the Faith to the Extremists. The original Five Pillars of Faith (allegiance to Allah, prayer, charity, fasting and holy pilgrimage to Mecca) outline the faith. Those ideas don't differ much from the Christian faith now do they? Did you know that Muhammad called Christians and Jews the "people of the book"? He believed that they were on the correct path, but just weren't there yet (to Islam). He was very tolerant and allowed Christians and Jews to maintain their religions. The same cannot be said of Christians during the Crusades, now can it?

It suits your purposes, obviously, to use the Extremists as poster children for Islam, but hide away Christian Extremists as inconsequential, but you undermine your argument in the process.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 11 years ago
Quick, name the only woman named in Koran.















Mary, mother of Jesus.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 11 years ago
Go Denise!!!!
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Posted by Christen LeBlanc Ramsey (+271) 11 years ago
You don't see Christans around the world cutting the heads off people who don't agree with them do you? Well...DUH!


in addition to the crusades, lets not forget the spanish inquisition either. many felons who have been found guilty of heinous assaults and murders also claim to be christian. maybe not on a grand scale in these modern times, but christians are equally capable of terrible acts against fellow mankind.
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+10001) 11 years ago
Timothy McVeigh -- a good non-Mexican, non-Muslim, purebred American Catholic/Christian/Arian/White Supremacist. He was only trying to make a point though, right Frank?
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 11 years ago
You don't see Christans around the world cutting the heads off people who don't agree with them do you? Well...DUH!


I forgot to respond to this little gem. Less than seventy years ago, Christians were responsible for some of the greatest atrocities of all time. You can argue to your heart's content that Hitler was not Christian, however, he expressed his belief in God, there are photos of his various armies attending church services and of he himself meeting with Christian leaders, and the majority of his soliders were Catholic and Protestant, as Germany was one of the predominant Christian countries in the world.

Considering then that Hitler's soliders and commanders were very Christian, yes, Christians are responsible for millions of deaths by very brutal means, including firing squads, gas chambers, starvation, gruesome medical testing, exposure, beatings and suffocation, among other means, of men, women, children and infants.

The bottom line is, no matter how you want to portray it, no religion is without guilt, through the actions of its adherents. It would benefit you to stop putting Christianity/Christians on a pedestal. They are no better human beings than any other.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 11 years ago
Who needs Hitler?



Brought to you by the good christian folks in Waco Texas: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...n_lynching

The trial lasted four minutes and before he could be executed he was seized by the mob, without resistance from the authorities. A chain was put around his neck and he was dragged to the town square. He had been stoned with bricks, spat upon, and at numerous points in torture, had shovels dug into his bare flesh and bone. A pile of wooden boxes had been set up at the base of a tree - Washington was castrated, then thrown onto the pile and doused with coal oil. The chain had then been secured around a tree limb, and Washington, still secured within was hoisted above the flame. He made numerous attempts to climb the now hot chain and the crowd cut off his fingers to prevent any further chance of escape. Three times, the agonized boy was raised and lowered into the flame in front of the crowd of 16,000, and in direct response, three times, further, according to the Cincinnati Freedom Center Exhibit, the crowd cheered and roared. It is not known how long he lasted until he died but the mob let him burn for over an hour, they then took various body parts as souvenirs such as his fingers and teeth. His limbs were separated from his body, put in a bag and dragged around town.


Let it be also noted, for those that want to romanticize '3-7-77', that this sort of thing is the real fruit of mob justice.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 11 years ago
Hitler's Christianity was Nietzschean at best.

He said Christian things when he had to. Privately he hoped to destroy it when he no longer had any use for it.

Putting Hitler's actions under the 'Christian' banner would be like taking medical advice from Peter Bergman.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 11 years ago
You can put Hitler himself aside, if you so choose. That still does not explain the actions of his Catholic and Protestant soldiers, who were the true executioners. Now, of course, you can argue that they did so under extreme duress, which is true, but I am responding to Frank's assertion that it is unimaginable that Christians could be as barbaric as Muslims.

Besides that, however, you are proving the point I am trying to make. If you consider the Jihadists as representative of Islam, you must consider all extremists. I'm sure that mainstream Muslims would make your same argument, that extremists are not representative of the faith any more than Hitler is representative of the Christian faith.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1905) 11 years ago
I'm guessing Frank Cory would be happy to return to the days of "Strange Fruit".
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 11 years ago
Hitler martyred plenty of Christians who stood in his way before the others fell in line.

Then again, I don't really have a dog in this fight. Hitler had to corrupt Christianity pretty completely to make it match his goals. But that's history.

Whether violence is a corruption of Islam is a separate question. But at the very least we'd have to admit that it's far more relevant to current events.
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Posted by Gail Finch Shipek (+94) 11 years ago
Since you were discussing the mosque in New York...

http://seattletimes.nwsou...eimam.html

US govt sending ground zero mosque imam to Mideast
The imam behind controversial plans for a mosque near the site of the Sept. 11 attacks is being sent by the State Department on a religious outreach trip to the Middle East, officials said Tuesday, in a move that drew criticism from conservative lawmakers.
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Does this make anyone else's head fill up with question marks and exclamation points?
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Posted by David Schott (+17052) 11 years ago
Does this make anyone else's head fill up with question marks and exclamation points?

You mean the part about it being criticized by conservative lawmakers?
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 11 years ago
You should read some Bonhoeffer Rick - Hitler didn't really need to do much "corrupting", European Christianity had been mulling the "solution" to the Jewish "problem" for a long time.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 11 years ago
Whether violence is a corruption of Islam is a separate question.



Yes, and it cannot be answered without getting past the rhetoric, e.g. raghead, sand ni**er, etc.

I'm curious. Does anyone here think about the fact that the Islamic faith is over 600 years younger than Christianity, which would naturally affect the development of its religious practices and how they apply to its adherents on a daily basis? Before chastising Islam for how it treats its women and handles other social issues, do people give thought to how Christianity handled women and other social issues in the 1400s?

[This message has been edited by Denise Selk (8/11/2010)]
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Posted by KFC (+24) 11 years ago
From an article titled birth of Islam nothing has been deleted
If we discuss about the origin and birth of Islam than it is essential to understand the events associated with the founding of Islam and the work of The Prophet. Although Islam was created with high and noble spiritual aims, and has grown to be the inspiration of millions of worshippers worldwide, one must remember it was originally formed within the context of direct battle against 'the West', in the form of the Roman (Byzantine) Empire. It is important to know the context of the formation of Islam and to understand because it makes possible for its adherents to interpret Islam today either as 'a war against greed, immorality and idolatry' and the 'uniting of a nation (world)' - or as 'a war on Jews and Christians, and a battle between good (the East) and evil (the West)' depending on which historical facts you choose to emphasize. In any event, the concept of a literal, physical battle exists throughout. Mohammed frequently went to a cave in the desert three miles from Mecca, where he would spend months in prayer and meditation. One morning, he heard the voice of the angel Gabriel who said that he is the messenger of Allah (God) and a voice was heard, the voice of the Lord addressed to the Prophet. It was recorded and became the text of the holy Koran. Thus was the birth of Islam it was around 610 CE when he had that vision in the cave. The Koran is not a literary work of Mohammed; it is a direct revelation of the Lord.

When he returned from the cave, Mohammed was filled with divine majesty and divine wisdom to preach the world. On informing his wife of the vision he had, she said, "You are faithful and never utter an untruth. Therefore, you may obey the call and follow the voice." Khadija was the first disciple to profess faith in the Prophet. She became his disciple and the first follower of Islam. From that time onwards Mohammed delivered public sermons on his faith to a large number of people, proclaiming the unity of God and denouncing the evil of drunkenness and impurity. Though some ridiculed and turned away, others were converted by the power of his words. The Prophet of Islam did not hold any debates nor did he challenge anyone to controversies and discussions. He silently converted people to his faith through his strong personality, charming demeanor and force of divine virtues. His characteristics as well as the power of the verses of the Koran captivated the hearts of people. Mohammed fled from Mecca to Medina in 622 A.D. when his life was in danger. The Muslim calendar begins on the day of this flight, known as the Hijra. The people of Medina accepted Mohammed's faith readily because it was plain, simple and direct. With their help and with an army of men the Prophet later returned to Mecca, where he succeeded in converting his relatives and fellowmen. He then sent missionaries to other parts of Arabia in order to convert the entire peninsula to the new faith. It was the strength and power of his teachings with attracted numerous followers because they came from a simple and honest man who never posed as a world teacher. He often told his disciples that he was an ordinary man as they were, teaching them to believe in Allah and His revelations.
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+10001) 11 years ago
You should provide citation. In any case, Wikipedia is another source, easy enough to find:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur'an
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Posted by KFC (+24) 11 years ago
My bad
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4463) 11 years ago
I'm curious. Does anyone here think about the fact that the Islamic faith is over 600 years younger than Christianity, which would naturally affect the development of its religious practices and how they apply to its adherents on a daily basis?


If that's how it works, then what the heck's wrong with those Buddhists? They should've figured this stuff out 600 years ago.
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