I understand all of that. Still, there is something a little painful about writing a bigger check to the IRS.

YES, YOU ARE AN IDIOT WITH A "MATH PROBLEM"

At least my idiocy has a justification. Your idiocy on the other hand... well not so much.

Progress. Richard has admitted he's an idiot.

I agree, Bob. That is progress.

Richard, I feel your pain. Too bad the libs have a point this time. Just wait till next year when their taxes go up too. Then we will see who is crying.

again, BLAH , BLAH , BLAH!!!

Richard, I feel your pain. Too bad the libs have a point this time. Just wait till next year when their taxes go up too. Then we will see who is crying.

Yes, because Federal taxes only went up for wingnuts.

Only liberals know of a special-secret line on the 1040 that lowers their taxes.

That Obama is sure a sneaky Muslin pirate, let me tell you.

Actually... over the last 48 hours I have been fighting off a drug interaction with a new allergy medicine that has caused me to be tired, unusually grouchy, a little depressed, and a little irrational.

I am better now.

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If you look at debt incurred over the history of our presidents, 75% of it happened during Republican administrations.

Richard Bonine, Jr wrote:

Actually... over the last 48 hours...

If you had said "over the last 48 months" it might seem plausible.

guylong, thank you sooo much for your profound intellectual input. You have enlightened none.

My income taxes went down massively this year. Unfortunately it was because my income did as well .

Again, Levi I feel your pain. Mine went down too but I had LOTS of deductions this year. I have already started saving extra for the increase in tax burden next year though.

good deal!! i never intended to!!

Set your goals low enough and you will never be dissappointed.

my goals have nothing to do with my input on this thread. its taxes that bore me. so i posted my opinion. nothing but that, so ease up steve.

Levi wrote:

My income taxes went down massively this year. Unfortunately it was because my income did as well .

Using Ricardo Logic, you should be ecstatic.

It doesn't matter that your income went down, as long as you're paying less in taxes.

Fitting way to put this thread out of it's misery...

The 47% that pay no taxes? That would be the off shore corporations

Actually... over the last 48 hours I have been fighting off a drug interaction with a new allergy medicine that has caused me to be tired, unusually grouchy, a little depressed, and a little irrational.

Have a beer, Richard. You'll feel better.

Still waiting on that civilized society.

I think you should all stop hammering on Richard. After all this anti-government, anti taxes restarted with Ronald Reagan. Reagan was so keen to give us tax breaks (only the "us" wasn't the middle class). While We thought we were getting tax breaks, they took away key deductions like deducting interest rates on our credit cards, which cause the middle class to actually pay more in taxes. Why did this happen? Because the government at that time had been taken over by Goldman-Sachs in the form of Don Regan, the former CEO of GS. How do I know? Because I watched it happened and unlike so many American's who have the memories of nits, I do remember. Richard, you are right, we are not getting a tax break. Unless more people are put to work to generate taxes, we will continue to go further in debt especially if we continue these wars which were so stupidly begun in 2003. We need to have more regulations on the oligarchs and barbarians on Wall Street who have control over us and the government. But we need to know what the hell is going on and not just go half-cocked waving stupid and scary signs and blaming O'Bama for the sins of his predecessors.

I was under the impression that it was spelled "oligarhy'. I guess that's what I get for listening to Glenn Beck.



Whether or not that's better than a crusher video is left as an exercise for the viewer.

they took away key deductions like deducting interest rates on our credit cards

A person who could realize a significant tax savings from deducting credit card interest should be taxed more IMO, because obviously they are just wasting their money anyway.

Levi:

Normally I would agree with you, but you're probably not old enough to remember the late 70s. I can't think of anyone that old, except for Ike.



Seriously, 18% APR on credit card debt didn't seem so bad back then.

The 18% on interest rates didn't seem so bad back then because you could also get 15 to 18% on your savings. And yes Back in the 70's the interest rates had a major jump on credit cards, but since the banks made the money off the interest, they paid taxes on it, so people could deduct it from their income taxes. And yes, there were those of us who were fools enough to use credit cards, because then as now people found themselves out of work and sometimes needed to use credit cards to pay medical bills, buy school clothes and gasoline in hopes something would come along and they would be able to pay off the cards. We did pay off the cards over time. But my heart goes out to so many young people now who find themselves in the same scenario. And yes , Glenn Beck did spell oligarhy correctly even if he doesn't know squat about history.

Hmm.... why is my KO2K sensor in a state of alarm?

And yes , Glenn Beck did spell oligarhy correctly even if he doesn't know squat about history.

Um, no, he didn't. It's oligarchy.

They turned the debt clock off for two years because the debt was DECREASING thanks to the Clinton presidency.

Of course, under the Bush administration and Republican-controlled Congress, the deficit exploded.

Heh. Yeah, Bob. All the credit for the balanced budget goes to the guy who spent 5 years screaming about how those skinflint Republicans needed to spend more money.

Anyone who says otherwise is an ideologue. Am I right?

Presidents don't pass budgets. Congresses do. The only time a President's budget even matters is when his party controls both.

And sorry to say, but you kids have redefined 'exploded'

It's almost cute when you use it in reference to Bush now.



And remember, Democrats took control of Congress in 2007. 2008 was their first budget. Impressive.

Hey, look who's back - Rickenhawk and his legion of straw men!

It only took Rickenhawk a week to come up with the same chart he's posted five times.

Nice work, Rickenhawk!

Remember your hero, Richard "Dick" Cheney? You know, the guy whose approval rating was lower than herpes when he left office?

"Dick" was quoted as saying "Deficits don't matter." Of course, Republicans were in charge back then, so I guess he was right.

Bob, your posts never fail to make me laugh.

Keep up the good work.

Eh. If Presidents don't make budgets, I'm reasonably sure VP's don't either. Considering how Lonely Joe's been put out to pasture, let's hope so, at least.

Anyway,I'd say I've posted the graph far fewer times then you've uttered "straw man" in complete defiance of what the phrase means.

Its like some political form of Tourrettes or something.

Blah blah blah. Clinton was God. Blah blah blah. Rickenhawk. Blah blah blah I'm Independent! Blah blah blah. Straw Man!

The only thing we can count on, Bob, is that you'll never really deal with the facts on any issue. If a three word out-of-context quote from a former Vice President is the best you can do, I'd say we can safely call it a day.

Um, didn't the Dems have control when Chaney was VP?

For six of Bush's eight years, your boys had the power, Steve. Congress and the presidency.

Quotes by DICK

"If we have reason to believe someone is preparing an attack against the U.S., has developed that capability, harbours those aspirations, then I think the U.S. is justified in dealing with that, if necessary, by military force."

"I had other priorities in the sixties than military service." -on his five draft deferments, April 5, 1989

"There are a lot of lessons we want to learn out of this process in terms of what works. I think we are in fact on our way to getting on top of the whole Katrina exercise." --Sept. 10, 2005

"Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy." -April 30, 2001

"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." --March 16, 2003

"In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more." -Nov. 7, 2003

"Go f*ck yourself." --to Sen. Patrick Leahy, during an angry exchange on the Senate floor about profiteering by Halliburton, June 25, 2004

"The Supreme Court has ruled that individuals have the right to carry guns...When the decision was read, it created pandemonium in the court. Justice Scalia had to fire two warning shots to settle people down. And then at the White House, just for fun, Dick Cheney went out on the lawn and peppered a buddy with some birdshot." -David Letterman

Dick Cheney is the biggest horses ass to ever grace D.C. with its presence.

I've been out of the loop for a bit, so I don't know if anyone else has posted this. If not, I strongly encourage you to give it a look. It's excellent.

http://ephphatha-poetry.b...-wise.html

Peace.

And what happened the last two years of Bush?

Rickenhawk:

Imitation is the purest form of flattery.

A weak effort, but imitation nonetheless.

Not sure it was imitation so much as comprehensive anthology