The Mayor, our dictator, and a communist
Posted by Tracy P. (+98) 11 years ago
I just wanted everyones opinion on the recent choices the mayor has made without first talking to the council? Personally, I feel he is trying to dictate peoples lives, and trying to make changes to our community (hence river) without anyones opinion. The reason he doesn't bring these topics up for discussion to the community or to the council is he knows he will be turned down and will have a fight on his hands. Hello people, what are we allowing this man to do.
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 11 years ago
Tracy, you care to explain exactly WHAT the Mayor has done instead of instigating ad-hominem attacks & inflamitory posts?
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2305) 11 years ago
That would be nice Tracy, if you provided what Kyle just asked for.
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Posted by Smiley (+847) 11 years ago
I think she is referring to the TOP story here and the one at the bottom. http://milescitystar.com/...php#story1
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 11 years ago
All of which has been blown WAY out of proportion. Joe is not some sort of communist dictator out to take over the City. He is just requesting that council contacts be reported. There have been problems with directives from members of the legislative branch and with people taking up the time of employees with chit-chat. He phrased it badly in his memo, yes, making it much more threatening than was necessary, but it is nothing to get worked up about. And, for the record, the directive applies to me and I'm not having hysterics.

There is an excellent letter in the Friday night Star on the subject if you are looking for a somewhat less over-the-top view.
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Posted by David Schott (+17052) 11 years ago
Hello people, what are we allowing this man to do.

Keep the City from being sued again?
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Posted by Smiley (+847) 11 years ago
You gotta love small minds towns :X
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Posted by Frank Hardy (+1606) 11 years ago
Uh-huh. Probably born in Hawaii, too.
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Posted by Smiley (+847) 11 years ago
I heRd it was kenya!
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 11 years ago
Isn't Rob Shipley the expert on all things Mayor Joe?
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 11 years ago
Miles City Star wrote:
Uden feels it threatens the right of free speech, and he noted examples of world leaders "who impose their own laws and policies to abridge the freedom of speech and to silence dissent relating to their dictatorial government agendas."


LOL, gotta love drama.
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Posted by Frank Hardy (+1606) 11 years ago
The Mayor, our dictator, and a communist walked into a bar and ordered a round of drinks. The bartender set one beer on the counter and served them all....HAHAHA!!!

The Mayor, our dictator, and a communist walked into a bar. "Do you think my tongue's too long? Is my head too flat?" asked the Mayor.

"I hate hanging around like this!" said Benito.

"Quiet down you guys!" shouted Barack. "and by the way, why am I here? Everyone knows that I'm a socalist and not a commie!"


FH

[This message has been edited by Frank Hardy (4/10/2010)]
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 11 years ago
Perhaps it makes it harder to plot and spread mean rumors against the mayor...the ones whining the hardest must be the ones guilty of these plots...HMMMMMMMMMM
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Posted by Tracy P. (+98) 11 years ago
I am not plotting against the mayor and it doesn't make me guilty. I just find his actions over the top and not discussing things with the council is not right. (that's why we have a council) The only thing I am guilty of is feeling our mayor is not doing what is in the best interest of our city, he is doing what is in the best interest of himself and his views. Democracy is so we can all vote and have an opinion, yet he didn't even allow the council to vote or have an opinion on these subject matters.
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Posted by David Schott (+17052) 11 years ago
According to the story in the Star it sounds like the council discussed and agreed that directives are to come through the mayor's office.

"He [Whalen] noted that it was a common occurrence for councilmen to give directives to the staff, even though the council adopted an incident command system that requires directives to come through the mayor's office."

Frankly, I find it suspicious that councilmembers are spending large amounts of one-on-one time with department heads or other city staff. I'm not sure that fits the role of a city councilperson.

Really, for the sake of clarity and good management it makes sense that the mayor's office gives direction to the department heads and that the department heads give direction to their staff. I can't believe any one would argue against that. It sounds like abuse of that system has led the mayor to take drastic steps.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 11 years ago
Tracy P. wrote:
I just find his actions over the top


As opposed to a calm and reasonable action such as say, calling someone a "dictator and a communist" in public?
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Posted by Jimmie (+61) 11 years ago
To be fair it should be said that the person starting this is the daughter of concilman Uden.
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Posted by Dona Stebbins (+819) 11 years ago
That explains a lot!
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 11 years ago
OMG!!! A COMMUNIST!!! AND A DICTATOR!!! IN MILES CITY!!!!

[This message has been edited by Bridgier (4/10/2010)]
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1905) 11 years ago
Johnny Law lives!
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Posted by Kenneth Ord Compton (+117) 11 years ago
All hail Marks and Lennon



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Posted by David Schott (+17052) 11 years ago
I didn't realize John still had kids in grade school.
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Posted by Donavan (+8) 11 years ago
Wow! I hope Mr. Whalen does not request a report every time a Firefighter or L.E.O. gives a council member C.P.R.(if needed). LOL!! What next? When my spouse wants to talk with a council member, I WILL be the one who has to fill out a report.(marriage by association?) er; city employee by association?).. Too funny. Good E. Mont. Politics..
Aloah!!!!!! oh Yes! and don't forget the old saying: "if was not written down it did not happen AND "if it was written down it did not happen."
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 11 years ago
Frank H: I heart you. Nice work.
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Posted by Tracy P. (+98) 11 years ago
Just to clarify, the mayor did not hold a meeting on logging information and times and communications. He sent it in the mail! Also, someone on the council is an adult parole officer, he interacts with the department and courts all the time, this is his job; no one needs that information exept the appropriate people. What about confidentiality in regards to his clients?
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Posted by Smiley (+847) 11 years ago
You know, IMO there is too much of politics in the world, so I don't want to get involved really... but I applaud Tracy P. for speaking her mind. Yes, she's going to get positive and negative feedback (that's the consequence for stating opinions on a forum) but I doubt she was plotting anything.

I don't know anything of the mayor or the council, I stay out of it like I said.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 11 years ago
Tracy, you and your dad, Councilman Uden, are obviously wanting to do anything in your power to slander or hurt the mayor...Get a life and I hope the voters are paying attention to this petty display...
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 11 years ago
Does anyone here know the actual DEFINITION of the word "communist," because it and "socialist" get thrown around a whole lot by people who obviously haven't got a clue as to what the words mean.
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Posted by Frank Hardy (+1606) 11 years ago
Thanks Bob. Mostly I consider it a victory if I can amuse myself.

Cheers!
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Posted by Jeezie (+21) 11 years ago
I can't wait to see who wants to be mayor next. A qualification would include "insane", obviously. Which would appeal to the majority of voters around here, even more obviously.
Like anybody sane would even want that job.
The names of the critics with the balls to speak up would make excellent candidates, lets see how one of you act as mayor. The rest of us have opinions but no guts, I plead guilty right up front. I'm surprised a couple of you didn't queer this thread yet, like you do others and want to do to our town.
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Posted by Cindy Stalcup (+586) 11 years ago
Sometimes members of governmental boards do not realize in most cases (exceptions like Commissioners & their road crews come to mind) they have no authority outside of a properly noticed, agendaed, called to order meeting. At other times they are just members of the public.

The problems you usually hear about are concerning school board members.

You can look at Montana Code in 7-3-200 series of Local Government laws to see what the organizational options are for Executive-Council type governments with regard to supervision, etc.

http://data.opi.mt.gov/bi..._toc/7.htm
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Posted by Smiley (+847) 11 years ago
Communist- (from urbandictionary.com...#1 result) How old people in Alabama and possibly in other Southern states insult younger people.
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Posted by David Schott (+17052) 11 years ago
Tracy P. wrote:
Just to clarify, the mayor did not hold a meeting on logging information and times and communications. He sent it in the mail!

Tracy, should we assume that you are speaking for your father, Councilman Uden? Is he incapable of speaking for himself? Or perhaps just not up on this technology stuff?

And, apparently we have another Miles City superstar who is lacking reading comprehension skills. The story in the Star indicated that the mayor and council had discussed and agreed that staff directives are to come directly from the mayor's office. It didn't say they discussed the "logging information and times and communications" matter that was sent "in the mail!"

Anyhow, I bet the next city council meeting will be a real doozy.
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Posted by Dona Stebbins (+819) 11 years ago
I have watched with great interest the attempts by some in Miles City to pillory Mayor Whalen. As a former Mayor of Great Falls, I met Joe several years ago during my run for my first term (before he was Mayor.)Since Miles City is my hometown, I have taken a continuing interest in the political issues there.

I was pleased when Joe decided to run, and have been impressed with the talent and dedication he has brought to the job. I have been less pleased with the attempts of some on the council to sabotage his good work, and feel their petty and divisive agenda has been an embarrassment to the town. This latest "tempest in a tea pot" is laughable, and really shows those watching the caliber of those involved. Jealousy, pettiness and back stabbing are a hallmark of politics everywhere, but in the small fishbowl that is Miles City, those who are guilty of this behavior betray themselves with their vitriol.

Let Joe continue to do the good job he has done so far, and those who support him can do it best by being a bit more vocal than his critics.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 11 years ago
Well said, Dona and I concur completely !!
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 11 years ago
I think the strategy of having your daughter post inflammatory stuff on MC.com was pioneered by the County Commissioners.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 11 years ago
Tracy P., I do hereby nominate you for MORAN OF THE MONTH

It is April 2010....any other nominees?
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Posted by Paul (+50) 11 years ago
They could always send him worthless information for a while that should teach him a lesson!
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 11 years ago
yeah Paul... except that the dept heads are the ones who send the reports, and they all seem to be in favor of this, if I read the article correctly.
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Posted by Tracy P. (+98) 11 years ago
Well I can see I have pissed several people off and let me say it is fair to all of you to bash me, call me a moran, call me a grade school kid; whatever the case may be. I would just like to say that this has nothing to with my dad. I haven't liked the mayor since he started. In fact my dad said that the mayor has done some great things and I actually got pissed at him for saying that. I have been to a couple of the city council meetings and there is something about him that disagrees with me. Plus the fact that the mayor stated in his comments to the star that he will not hold a meeting with all of the councilmen about having to report any city interactions, that in fact he will be happy to meet with them one on one because having them all together just sets them up to become a bunch of THUGS. REALLY, this comment isn't degrading to our city councilmen by any means; and yes this comment pissed me off enough to say something. For all of you who do not like my father, that is fine it's probably because he arrested you or you were on his parole. But don't bash him simply because he has a daughter who speaks her mind (yes she has her own views and opinions) if your comments are directed at me that's fine I will take it. I know I set fuel to the fire.
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Posted by Bruce Helland (+586) 11 years ago
Acyually the Star published an editorial stating they disagreed with the memo and policy. I am confused as to the need for this policy.
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2305) 11 years ago
So Tracy. Which do YOU want. Our current mayor? Or a Mayor who wears a greasy apron to a council meeting.
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Posted by David Schott (+17052) 11 years ago
Bruce Helland wrote:
Acyually [sic] the Star published an editorial stating they disagreed with the memo and policy. I am confused as to the need for this policy.

Isn't the editor of the Miles City Star the wife of a Miles City police officer?

I subscribe to the Star and love reading it but I'm sorry, the paper is so heavily influenced by small town politics that you can't possibly count on its reporting. The editor herself once wrote about how you can't get a good steak in Miles City and then promptly followed up by saying how mistaken she was about not getting a good steak. Think about it, the people the paper reports on are the same people taking out ads in and subscribing to the paper.
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Posted by C.Kee (+376) 11 years ago
Tracy, I admire you for standing up to your right to freedom of speech.
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 11 years ago
Tracy, I admire you for standing up to your right to freedom of speech


There's a big difference between freedom of speech and outright slander.
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Posted by Jim Howe (+1618) 11 years ago
Hmmm-- Let me see here....... looks like a vicious circle to me. The guy on top always has a target on his back, what's so new about that?? Folks don't realize what they have till it's gone. Right now we have a man willing to stand in the fire, take all the BS and still try to do a good job on "part-timer's pay. You don't find people that dedicated very often. Kudos, Joe
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Posted by Dan Mowry (+1437) 11 years ago
For all of you who do not like my father, that is fine it's probably because he arrested you or you were on his parole.



Wowwwww.

So, you've learned the art of minimizing people who disagree with you or your father with a pre-emptive strike, huh?

"Don't agree with us? Must be a felon."
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Posted by C.Kee (+376) 11 years ago
Okay Kyle, I'm sorry......didn't read all the posts.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 11 years ago
I've never been arrested in my life so that's out. I just think it is a bit over the top to call Joe a communist when the person doing the name calling obviously doesn't even know what the word means!

Seriously, this has been blown SO out of proportion it's ridiculous. How about we stop the petty name-calling and get back to governance. You know, REAL issues, like flood insurance, water lines, street maintenance, etc. etc.
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Posted by J. Dyba (+1350) 11 years ago
At least she stood by her name.
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Posted by souix (+301) 11 years ago
Tracy,

I have been to a couple of the city council meetings and there is something about him that disagrees with me.


I imagine that the above statement is the reason that you seem juvenile to some. How do your personal feelings relate to the type of job the Mayor does for the city?

As the City Mayor is an elected position, the majority of the voting public disagrees with your analysis of our Mayor.

Perhaps you should go to the City's web site and look at the hierarchy.it appears that the Mayor is head of all of the departments.

I would be interested in why you dislike the idea of the memos?
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Posted by Smiley (+847) 11 years ago
Amorette, But I don't wanna! that stuff is soooo boring
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Posted by Jimmie (+61) 11 years ago
If we want to talk about over-stepping bounds what about Uden "investigating" Whalen's incidint at the Pawn Shop? Don't think he's been a cop in a lot of years. Is that the job of our concilpeople? Think the paper said he did that with Ahners ok too. Why would he have the right to be asking questions at the Pawn Shop unless he was fishing for somethign. Maybe Whalen has a reason to be worried.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 11 years ago
Joe is not a communist. Perhaps benevolent pirate is the word everyone is looking for.
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Posted by Steve Z (+998) 11 years ago
I don't see a problem with city council members interacting with staff heads. Communication of this nature can lead to better understanding of what is going on in certain areas. Certainly better than relying on rumor and bitch letters. But as David stated, directives should be handed down by the mayors office. A certain chain of command needs to be followed to prevent chaos (too many chiefs, not enough indians) in the work place.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 11 years ago
A certain chain of command needs to be followed to prevent chaos (too many chiefs, not enough indians) in the work place.


Hence the problem... most everyone on the council (and some who are not) thinks they are a chief.

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr (4/12/2010)]
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Posted by Bruce Helland (+586) 11 years ago
I agree that there have been to many personal agendas by both mayors and council members past and present. Unfortunately this directive reminds me of similar actions in the past. Hence my apprehension.
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Posted by Mindy B (+81) 11 years ago
What is the pawn shop incident?
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 11 years ago
http://milescity.com/foru...all#122074

and the same Councilman mentioned there is the one in this thread (via his daughter) causing trouble and calling names...the daughter denies her dad is involved but the apple didn't fall too far from that tree IMO...
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 11 years ago
As an aside, maybe I am just showing my ignorance again, but I was shocked when I read the paper after the city council elections and saw that most of the councilmen were elected with somewhere in the vicinity of 150 votes. I don't know how that election works, do you just vote for 3 or do you vote for the one you like best or what? Either way, with that kind of voter apathy there are a lot of churches and organizations etc. in town that could completely take over the city council just by getting all of their members to vote if they wanted to.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 11 years ago
In other communities, I have seen that happen...It is scary with this voter apathy...
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3745) 11 years ago
It is scary with this voter apathy...


Howdy, I could not agree with you more. It never fails to sicken and piss me off when I see people bitching about the Government and how things are run and then see a 50% (if that) voter turn out being touted as something to be proud of.

In my mind, unless you have legitimate reasons for not doing so (illness, death etc), just like with jury duty, there is NO EXCUSE for not voting.
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Posted by Mary B. (+201) 11 years ago
In my mind, unless you have legitimate reasons for not doing so (illness, death etc), just like with jury duty, there is NO EXCUSE for not voting


That is often true, however, in Miles City, local elections are often times an uncontested race, or a choice between the "lesser of two evils", so to speak, thus voter apathy.

The real issue in Miles City is getting quality candidates to run. With the state of local politics, that is a tough challenge to meet.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 11 years ago
I think it is Australia that makes it mandatory to vote..Perhaps we should think about doing something like that too...I would sure be for it...
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 11 years ago
Levi, council members are elected by Ward, not citywide. Which is part of the problem, as council members often forget that they are on the CITY Council, which governs the entire city, not just their neighborhood. That and the attitude that "I'm against it because you are for it" rather than "what is best for the City as a whole" often stymies reasonable governance in small towns.
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Posted by john w caylor (+89) 11 years ago
Alright now it seems to be heading in the right direction. Now the quetion is do we continue to allow or do we do something about it other than talk.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 11 years ago
"it" can have too many values in the context of this thread - could you be more specific?
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+10001) 11 years ago
I've personally spoken with "Mayor Joe" and know for a fact he is a good guy that works tireless in his position -- not to his benefit -- but to that of the city he serves.

Mr. Uden -- well, I guess the adage goes if you don't have something nice to say, then don't say anything at all, although I've met and know him as well -- except I'll simply state it is of disrespect to the city that he is even a councilperson. So I'll leave it at that.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 11 years ago
Ditto the webmaster...
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 11 years ago
The Webmaster wrote:
Mr. Uden -- well, I guess the adage goes if you don't have something nice to say, then don't say anything at all, although I've met and know him as well




Larry: After re-reading this thread, I can only deduce you met Mr. Uden upon either:

(a) Being arrested by Mr. Uden
(b) Being on parole

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Posted by Matt - Schmitz (+167) 11 years ago
So we need to think about making the "right to vote" mandatory? When every household in America has a gun, then we can make other rights mandatory. I have the right to vote, and the right to own a gun. When either of those becomes mandatory, it's no longer a right. It becomes a government mandate, and we all know how much Americans like those. Incidently, I have voted in nearly every election I have been eligible too. I think everybody should. But making rights mandatory is a ludicrus idea that should never see the light of day. Unless ALL rights are mandatory. Don't want a gun in your home? When this right, like others, becomes mandatory, you will have no choice. The very few elections I have missed voting in were because I could not justify my vote going to either candidate. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. I do not vote for pigs, and if both candidates are pigs, I abstain from voting. Because I have the right to do so.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 11 years ago
I was at City Hall this afternoon and nothing was collectivized. I was VERY disappointed.
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Posted by Dona Stebbins (+819) 11 years ago
Just wait Amorette - those communists are pretty sneaky!
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Posted by john w caylor (+89) 11 years ago
Again my apolagies Bridgier.

Mary B. wrote:
That is often true, however, in Miles City, local elections are often times an uncontested race, or a choice between the "lesser of two evils", so to speak, thus voter apathy.

The real issue in Miles City is getting quality candidates to run. With the state of local politics, that is a tough challenge to meet.

Amorette Allison wrote:
That and the attitude that "I'm against it because you are for it" rather than "what is best for the City as a whole" often stymies reasonable governance in small towns.

And if levi's numbers are anywhere close explains to me why in 14 yrs i've only had one candidate show up on my doorstep to visit.
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Posted by john w caylor (+89) 11 years ago
Not trying to plagiarize anybody's words i just haven't figured out how to put them into little boxes.

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Posted by Josh Rath (+2305) 11 years ago
[ quote="namehere" ] [/ quote ]

Just like the other tags, just using quote.

Myself wrote:
Easy eh?
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Posted by john w caylor (+89) 11 years ago
Thanks.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 11 years ago
Josh Rath wrote:
easy EH?


Are you Canadian??
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2305) 11 years ago
Naw, but i like saying that eh?
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 11 years ago
LOL, sorta rolls off the tongue, I agree with you...
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+10001) 11 years ago
Bob L. wrote:
Larry: After re-reading this thread, I can only deduce you met Mr. Uden upon either:

(a) Being arrested by Mr. Uden
(b) Being on parole

Wrong on both points. I've never been on parole in my entire life. Another option to the list should have included the word "ticketed". In any case, and in my opinion, he's quite the prick. There, I violated my principle.
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2305) 11 years ago
Heads up, but if it wasn't for the mayor, this cell phone ban wouldn't have failed... Like it just did. So change your attitude.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 11 years ago
Josh, please explain your last comment...
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Posted by Steve Allison (+981) 11 years ago
The law that would have banned using a cell phone to talk or text was defeated Tuesday evening when the council split on the vote and Joe voted against it.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 11 years ago
ohhhh, you mean in your car?? if that is what you mean, I agree with Joe...Just banning texting is a better idea IMO...

I still cannot figure out if Josh was for or against the mayor with his comment tho...

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Posted by Frank Hardy (+1606) 11 years ago
Josh was against it....before he was for it.....not.

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Posted by Connie Delaware (+12) 11 years ago
After 5 years of living in a state where the "Good ol' Boys Club" dictates to the majority of political dealings, I give Mayor Whalen a big thumbs up! He is enforcing the chain of command. Isn't that what he was elected to do?
As to Mr. Uden's remarks of Mayor Whalen advancing his personal agenda; I was raised in Miles City, and MY OPINION is that would be the "rebel" calling the kettle black!!
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2305) 11 years ago
Howdy, I'm for the mayor. I believe without his vote, cell use in vehicles would have been banned, which is plain stupid. Texting while driving I can fully understand, but talking? Not so much.
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Posted by Daniel k allen (+33) 11 years ago
You rant about something and only put pieces of the incident in each post. I just moved here, and I have heard of some major corruption of officials. I dont know about this major, but if you would say what he did it sounds like a possible constitutional violation. Also does any one know anything about Amber Trenka, for public administrator.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 11 years ago
Joe Whalen has NEVER done anything that was not legal, open and forthright. And Amber Trenka is an honest, competent, caring person who has been administering estates for several years with compassion and competency.

I don't know who you are listening to but these are two completely honest, hard-working people who are putting forth their best efforts in their duties.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 11 years ago
Well, if he read about it on INFOWARS>COM, then I would have to congratulate Mayor Whalen for truly hitting the big time.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 11 years ago
I suspect Daniel k allen might be suffering from high levels of argentum and that his favorite number is 47.
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Posted by Hal Neumann (+9919) 11 years ago
The Mayor, our dictator, and a communist walked into a bar. They all said "Ouch! Who put that darned thing there?"
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Posted by David Schott (+17052) 11 years ago
I think Dan was talking about the "major", not the mayor.
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Posted by Lorin Dixson (+596) 11 years ago
I think Dan is a Major________ fill in the blank
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Posted by Montana1 (+32) 11 years ago
Though I have never been arrested or have had Tracy's father as a parole officer. I do remember Johnny Uden with a heavy hand and big ego. Apparently having a large ego and big mouth is something that can be genetically passed on.

My question to you Tracy is that with the past history of the Mayor's office and people in a small town trying to do the right thing. What have you ever done to for the committee yourself? Other than think you are someone becasue of your father.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 11 years ago
WTF is going on here?
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Posted by Daniel k allen (+33) 11 years ago
To you I am sure that he is a good guy, you know him. And most everyone has good intentions, but that is no excuse for over stepping the boundaries set forth by the community. If the court of public opinion is convicting him with haveing all of the evidence, then any elected official should be made to resign. This is kind of like if 100 people say a duck is a duck, and you and 2 others are saying that it is a cow. You should be able to figure the rest.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 11 years ago
Cow
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Posted by Daniel k allen (+33) 11 years ago
Apparently the people love mandates, we have to show more ID than a jew in germany during the war. What do you do when you get every dumb a__ in the county voting for someone like kinky freedman.
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Posted by Daniel k allen (+33) 11 years ago
And
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Posted by Daniel k allen (+33) 11 years ago
Some of us really have to work, the chair has not grown to my a__ yet. So sorry my spelling is not up to your standards.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9193) 11 years ago
I would just like to thank Mr allen for breathing new life into what had to be the thread with the best title ever.
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Posted by Tracy P. (+98) 11 years ago
OK this is just a reminder to all of you who did't read the whole blog on this thread. My father did not say anything on this site, he has nothing to do with it, and so could you all please leave him out of it. It was my post to begin with and feel I should be the only person a comment is made about if you have an issue with what I have said. Thanks.
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 11 years ago
The so-called "court of public opinion" has no legal standing. Believe me, I can come up with hundreds of folks who have a very high opinion of the Mayor.

As for the ID issue, what on earth does that have to do with anything?!?! It is because of the Bush II administration that we have to produce a dozen kinds of ID, not anything done locally. Also, Kinky Freedman was running in Texas and last time I checked, we don't live in Texas.

So, if you have issues that don't involve local politics, why not start a thread on those topics and stop tossing around vague "I don't like him because" accusations.

Sheesh.
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Posted by BD (+330) 11 years ago
Funny you think the Mayor is doing to much and I don't think he done enough. So were at odds.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 11 years ago
This is quite the sh!t show.
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2305) 11 years ago
Way to resurrect a 6 month old post Daniel. Already becoming a MC.com pro I see. >.>
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Posted by Daniel k allen (+33) 11 years ago
The court of public opinion has always had the final say, in the end. And some of my words were for other post, as I am still learning how to post correctly. I have heard good things about the mayor as well, and for him to take a job paying that little. I think he has got to want to help or he would not put up with the BS.
I equally want the people that make rules for me and mine to understand that I beleive we are heading for harder times in this country, and this town. And when the globalist push through here with agenda 21, I want a good strong undivided community to stand with. I heard that this bison reintergration plan was tied to the bison pipe line, and that the run of the federal bison project and all of it's powers were just given to an indian nation. And with these powers came the power to inforce iminante domain to return certain areas back to natural bison range. And miles city is a piece of land that falls in this area according to agenda 21. If this is true I want a strong mayor to draw a definant line.
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Posted by Kelly (+2706) 11 years ago
FOR WENDY

inforce iminante


Okay, I know that governor is mispelled in my post about the CA race, because I looked it up. FYI it is "enforce imminent."
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 11 years ago
Legal Dictionary

eminent domain

Main Entry: em·i·nent do·main
Pronunciation: 'e-m&-n&nt-
Function: noun
: the right of the government to take property from a private owner for public use by virtue of the superior dominion of its sovereignty over all lands within its jurisdiction -see also CONDEMN, EXPROPRIATE, TAKE 1b
NOTE: The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires the government to compensate the owner of property taken by eminent domain, stating "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." State constitutions contain similar provisions requiring that the property owner receive just compensation for the property taken.
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, c 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17321) 11 years ago
Upon reflection after several glasses of whiskey tonight....

I recall attending the Bucking Horse Sale about 4-5 years ago, and attending the Range Riders pancake breakfast. My mom and I were standing in line behind Joe (he was not the mayor at the time)....and......

When a cloud passed overhead, a rooster would crow in the west, and Joe would turn to say something to my mom when an overhead cloud would roll on by to the east....

I could see a little hint of a Hitler mustache on him. Fascist!

But, that may have been a five o'clock shadow.

Plus, he's supposed to be a communist.

Nevermind.
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Posted by Kelly (+2706) 11 years ago
I stand corrected.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 11 years ago
Communist, fascist...same thing.

At least according to the idiot teabaggers.

[This message has been edited by Bob L. (10/28/2010)]
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 11 years ago
Okay, we now that some folks are afraid of bison. That's helpful to know.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 11 years ago
Wow, I don't even have to say a thing. You guys are correcting yourselves. My job here is done.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 11 years ago
I heard that this bison reintergration plan was tied to the bison pipe line, and that the run of the federal bison project and all of it's powers were just given to an indian nation. And with these powers came the power to inforce iminante domain to return certain areas back to natural bison range. And miles city is a piece of land that falls in this area according to agenda 21.


And.... Sagebrush told you this?

The Bison pipeline has nothing to do with any "bison reintegration" plan. Yes, there are those in the Department of Interior who have a plan called the Treasured Landscape Initiative where they are using the Antiquities Act of 1906 to acquire "important properties". I doubt it really goes anywhere.

http://www.rangemagazine....abbitt.pdf
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1905) 11 years ago
My fear is the possibility of B-52s flying over, stampeding the bison and turning Miles City into a pile of rubble while some mysterious Indian Nation stands by and laughs.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 11 years ago
I would just like to thank Mr allen for breathing new life into what had to be the thread with the best title ever.


Seeing this thread again brought a smile to my face as well, despite the fact that the recent posts make no sense to me. Thanks man.
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Posted by Bill Freese (+479) 11 years ago
If this is true I want a strong mayor to draw a definant line.


It's not true. Let this thread roll over and go back to sleep, now.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3712) 11 years ago
The Bison pipeline has nothing to do with any "bison reintegration" plan.


Well what else would it be for? Man the thought of all those buffaloes shooting down that pipe and squirting all over the prairie just makes my blood boil.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 11 years ago
That's better than making our children share classrooms with them. Keep the buffalo segregated!
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Posted by Dan Ries (+23) 11 years ago
Seems like this thread got off track....Uh Tracy was it.....The office of Mayor is open to you also to run for election....Good Luck
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Posted by Bill Freese (+479) 11 years ago
When only buffalo live in Miles City, only a buffalo will be mayor.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 11 years ago
It's bison, people! BISON!
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 11 years ago
I guess Wendy needs a drink?
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Posted by Hal Neumann (+9919) 11 years ago
The way I see it, buffalo is so firmly embedded in popular usage as to render the bison vs buffalo argument moot. Me . . . I'm gonna go with bison or buffalo as the mood strikes me. It's just too much of a hassle to get technical about it.

It was in southern and eastern Asia at the end of the Pliocene epoch that the first known ancestors of the Plains Buffalo appeared. Although smaller and slighter in stature than its present day progeny, this ancestral buffalo bore all the characteristics found in the modern genus Bison. During the next million or so years -- the period known as the Pleistocene epoch or the Ice Age -- bison grew in size, migrating from central Asia east to Siberia and west into Europe. Later in the Pleistocene a new form of bison, the steppe wisent, made its appearance. Although it spread forth to occupy traditional bison habitat in the Old World, the steppe wisent also crossed Beringia, the Bering Strait land bridge, moving from Siberia into the New World -- the buffalo had arrived in North America.

Once in America, the steppe wisent evolved into new forms to exploit its new environment. One offspring of the steppe wisent, Bison latifrons, became the largest of all New World buffalo. Latifrons, from the Latin meaning wide forehead, bore horns measuring some nine feet from tip to tip, fully three times the horn-span of modern day buffalo. Bison evolution over the next 20,000 or so years - - from the middle period of the Pleistocene epoch to the present - - involved downsizing. Giant-horned latifrons was replaced by a smaller buffalo, Bison antiquus, who was in turn succeeded by a yet even more compact model, Bison occidentalis. Occidentalis originated in Asia where it evolved from the steppe wisent, and like its progenitors spread across northern Asia, Europe, Siberia, and North America.

As the Ice Age drew to a close, buffalo populations in both hemispheres evolved to meet the demands of their new environment. Both the modern Old and New World bison evolved out of common parent stock, Bison bison occidentalis, which inhabited Siberia during the latter phases of the Pleistocene epoch. This evolutionary process resulted in present day Old and New World bison that are remarkably similar in skeletal structure, general appearance, and even in shared genetic materials. In fact; European-American bison hybrids yield fertile male and female offspring. Despite this physical or taxonomical similarity, the European bison, known as the wisent, was once considered a separate species from the American bison (plains bison/buffalo). Today, however, both are considered members of the same species -- the wisent is now classified as Bison bison bonasus and the plains buffalo as Bison bison bison.

Just remember. . . .

Matty told Hatty about a thing she saw.
Had two big horns and a wooly jaw.
Wooly bully, wooly bully.
Wooly bully, wooly bully, wooly bully.


[This message has been edited by Hal Neumann (10/31/2010)]
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Posted by Lorin Dixson (+596) 11 years ago
Hal that confirms it leaving no further doubt, the Mayor is a dictator, and a communist
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Posted by Hal Neumann (+9919) 11 years ago
Lorin, I'm quite pleased you saw the undeniable truth in my statements. I was afraid that because I did not go CAPLOCK from the start, the essential nuances of my thesis would not stand out. But I decided in the end that quoting Matty would nail it down.

Take this Comrade Joe:


[This message has been edited by Hal Neumann (10/31/2010)]
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