Have you heard about the mayor!!
Posted by Nikki Logan (+282) 11 years ago
Our mayor is resigning!! He got pulled over Wednesday night and had expired registration, expired drivers license and no proof of insurance.

I am suprised that no one else has put this on here. I was kind of dissappointed.
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3749) 11 years ago
How does what he did affect his ability to do his job? I'm not from Miles City but from everything I've read here Mayor Joe has done a really good job.
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Posted by Kelly (+2608) 11 years ago
Nikki:

Don't rejoice yet. The city council has to vote whether or not to accept the resignation.
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Posted by Bridgier (+8962) 11 years ago
Could be worse: http://www.tennessean.com.../1001/NEWS

Also, from what I read, Joe's offering his resignation - that doesn't mean the city council would have to accept it.
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Posted by CLD (+541) 11 years ago
Is our mayor above the law? Think of the money he saved over the years...not buying insurance, etc. Guess law abiding citizens are the dumbies?
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Posted by Bridgier (+8962) 11 years ago
Apparently he isn't. That's what it means when you're "cited".
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Posted by David Schott (+16446) 11 years ago
I was going to suggest that Mayor be required to do "community service" for his punishment but then I remembered the salary he receives and it occurs to me that he's already doing "community service".
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Posted by Nikki Logan (+282) 11 years ago
The city council may not accept the resignation, but what is going to stop him from stepping down. Personally I think that a person in his standing should have had the proper items to operate a motor vehicle and since he didn't I think that he is doing the right thing because no matter what, we live in Miles City and everyone was going to find out. I think that he is trying to save face and bow out gracefully. Which I think is the right thing to do.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14664) 11 years ago
What did Butch do now??
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Posted by Todd Riddle (+83) 11 years ago
Maybe we should all just move on and. . . . .



**VOTE FOR RIDDLE**

Thats right! Ill take over Buahahahahahahahaha
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Posted by David Schott (+16446) 11 years ago
Nikki Logan wrote:
Personally I think that...

This incident aside, Nikki, do you think Joe Whalen has done a good job as mayor of Miles City?
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Posted by jenn (+64) 11 years ago
Nikki if i recall right you said this about the City Judge getting a DUI and driving on a suspended license:

If any of you would stop and get to know this man you would know that he is not in the best of health and needed a work permit. He can not walk the distance to work, and no it is not because he is heavy. Mr. Dukart comes into the gas station where I work and is always very pleasant, yes he has an alcohol problem, but you don't scoff at all the other people that do...just the person that is in the spot light that got caught. I think that the judge that took his license away should have looked at things a little closer, and when he was cited he was not driving drunk again he was on his way to or from work. Get over it and move on, let the man have what little dignity he has left and don't feed on it like a bunch of vultures.


So correct me if Im wrong but you approve of the City Judge driving drunk and then doing the very thing that he was told he could not do, which was to drive, when he is sworn into office to uphold the laws that he is judgeing others on. You come up with all kinds of excuses for him but then in the same breath you say that he has an alcohol problem, i guess the person's ability to walk around would not matter to me if they hit and injured me or my daughter while they were driving drunk!!
But on the other hand you think that the Mayor should step down for tickets that are minor in the eyes of the law and do not show that he is in any way unfit to be the Mayor. He is

Explain to me how those two things even make sense to you?? Or if anyone else can make sense of it for me please feel free to do so.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1909) 11 years ago
Is the mayor's business still open?
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Posted by Raven Clan (+40) 11 years ago
Thank you jenn for shedding light on this thread.
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Posted by JCF (+397) 11 years ago
Seems like a funny thing to resign over. These are basically administrative oversights - yes, he is wrong to do it - but this is not a criminal act. Makes me wonder if he wanted to resign anyway. Or, wants this over quickly for some other reason.
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Posted by Nikki Logan (+282) 11 years ago
I am not saying what the judge did was right but everyone that posts on this site is so eager to put down people for what they have done I thought I would join in. I personally think that Butch did a better job then this one has, but being a person that doesn't follow politics real close I can't be for sure. I think that both of our city officials that have recently been in the spotlight need to be held accountable for the things that they have done. They both made bad decisions but everyone does.
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9978) 11 years ago
Nikki Logan wrote:
I personally think that Butch did a better job then this one has, but being a person that doesn't follow politics real close I can't be for sure.

OMG. Joe has probably been the best mayor (IMO) since I lived in Miles City and as long as I've paid attention since. Sheesh.

Where's Eric with Butch's greasy green antics filmed on video when you need him? Drat.

Apparently, Joe screwed up, but it's not like he got a DUI or anything. He doesn't hardly get any damn pay and he publicly manned up to his mistakes. Get over it.
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Posted by jenn (+64) 11 years ago
Nikki
I think that you must be confused about the situtation. If you dont follow politics then dont post an opinion that you cant back up with knowledge of the subject.
You at NO point in your post about the judge said that he should be accountable for his actions, you make excuses for his actions and say that we all should stop picking on him. Which speaks volumes about the person you are and the standards that you have for people.
As for this current thread, YOU are the one that stared it! So it looks like you are the one that is becoming eager to put people down, without the knowledge that is needed about these subjects.
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Posted by Levi and Destiny (+173) 11 years ago
I back Joe Whalen!!!
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Posted by Sandy Kiltie-Losing (+263) 11 years ago
I am confused, in the Billings Gazette article it states; "State attorney general's office spokesman Kevin O'Brien said Friday that no record that Whalen had ever been a licensed driver in Montana could be found." Is it possible that the Mayor has never driven a city owned vehicle? And I thought employers where required to veryify a person's identity with a photo id?
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Posted by Shu (+1780) 11 years ago
I don't live in Miles City anymore nor have I in a few years, but I usually visit once or twice a year. As a FORMER resident, let me offer this:

From what I know about Mayor Whalen, he has done quite well, overall, serving the people of Miles City and has been enthusiastic while doing so. The only thing he had done prior to this that had me concerned was the instance last summer (2008) where he allowed the City Oasis pool to be open without lifeguards, and children were allowed to play there without adult supervision...but then the next summer he had the issue better-dealt with and had lifeguards there, so he addressed that problem.

There was also that whole fiasco about the late Robert Eddy and his public nuisance behaviour and drunkenness that was not being dealt with...and I am sorry to say that I said something about it on that thread, and I later wished I hadn't. The thing is, THAT was something that the Mayor could only do so much about...yet there were those who were complaining to Joe as though it was exclusively HIS problem to fix...but it wasn't. The problem just wasn't that simple, and it sadly ended-up being dealt with by Robert's eventual death.

Other than those instances, I've heard no complaints about his work as mayor. In fact, I've heard nothing but praise!

As to his alleged "crime": not renewing his license and registration and having no auto insurance - to me, that sounds like a very human and VERY forgivable mistake. It is something that I, for one, am willing to forgive. I don't see a need to criminalize Mayor Joe or anyone else over that, nor do I see any need for him to resign over it.

Sadly, this instance makes me flash-back to the tragedy in the early-90's when the City Manager at the time, Mark Richardson, committed suicide because he was caught using city funds for personal use. It was a very small amount of money that he could have easily put back, and it should have been dealt with differently than it was: he could have just been warned about it and asked to pay it back, and let it go after that. Instead, he was publicly chastised and humiliated over it, and his integrity was put into question in a way that was obviously very upsetting to him.

Let's not do the same thing to Joe, gang. Not over something like this.
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Posted by turnip blood (+18) 11 years ago
Some are quick to try and minimize the situation.

You have to have a valid ID to vote, but not to hold office?

Did he ever drive a City owned vehicle? If he did, he put us all at just as much risk of liablility as Butch ever did.

Why was he not ticketed before? He pulls up to City Hall everyday and no MCPD officer notices, I doubt it. Power and control, over promotions anyway.

He wanted a raise from our taxes, though he is behind on his registration which is a tax.

When I buy uninsured motorist coverage to protect my kids, I am protecting them from my mayor, that is sad at so many levels.

I doubt the resignation will be accepted, some opinions will be validated that he has surrounded himself with "yes men."

I predict the members of the council will not run unopposed in the next round of elections.

This is a sad situation, and tempers are stirring I am sure, but making this about his salary and telling others to get over it doesn't make sense. The people of Miles City have the right to be upset and none of the aforementioned is out of line, they are legitimate questions and concerns or should be for the citizens of Miles City.
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Posted by Shu (+1780) 11 years ago
You have to have a valid ID to vote, but not to hold office?

Evidently, you don't...was he ever ASKED for his ID? If not, is it HIS fault that he wasn't?

When I buy uninsured motorist coverage to protect my kids, I am protecting them from my mayor, that is sad at so many levels.

...so, the Mayor being behind on his registration and license renewal and without auto insurance makes him as dangerous as, say, a drunken driver?...nope, that doesn't add-up to me. Those 2 are not synonymous. By the way, bear in mind he allegedly had EXPIRED license and registration, so that means he HAD them both active and paid for them at one time, he just didn't this time...try keeping that in perspective.

This is a sad situation, and tempers are stirring I am sure, but making this about his salary and telling others to get over it doesn't make sense. The people of Miles City have the right to be upset and none of the aforementioned is out of line, they are legitimate questions and concerns or should be for the citizens of Miles City.

Come-on, "turnip blood", or whatever your name is: you're ordering a person to be drawn-and-quartered for forgetting to put a nickel in a parking meter, for crying out loud!

I'm not saying the Mayor is above the law and should be completely excused for not having auto insurance and not renewing his license and registration like most of the rest of us, but for Pete's sake, give him a chance to atone for it rather than call for his head! You say all this as though you never did anything wrong in your life. I may not know you, but based on the fact that you probably are human, I can guarantee you've done some thing(s) either willingly or unwillingly that at least some of us would find objectionable. A mayor isn't perfect, either. In some places, a Mayor has done far more corrupt things that Joe ever has.

PERSPECTIVE!...okay?
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Posted by David Schott (+16446) 11 years ago
Somebody please un-gag Shipley so we can hear him howl over this.
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Posted by atomicg (+998) 11 years ago
If he pays his fines he's like any one of us. When you pay late there is a penalty, this is civil paperwork after all, not criminal offences, although the no insurance is bit serious. Perhaps all of the Mayor's supporters should patronize his business and help him raise the funds to pay his debt and move on allowing him to stay part time as mayor and focus on his own business a little more. That or make him (or someone else) a full time mayor and give them the raise necessary to insure their ability to make a living off of the position. I don't believe he was defying law and order, he was just broke trying to make ends meet. At a low wage and being a part time position Miles Citians must expect their mayor to be independently wealthy or just-getting-by like so many of us. This certainly explains his request for a raise, it seems he might have needed it.

On another note, if he keeps up with this sort of behavior and maintains any sort of blatant disregard for the law he shouldn't be in a public office. That's just obvious, such is life in politics. But once again, it's not like the guy got caught with a hooker and an eight ball in a motel with an hourly rate. Lighten up folks, turns out that out-of-stater mayor really is one of us. What's so scandalous about that?

When did we all become so easily shocked by such trivial events? I've been late on my property taxes...there I said it! Does this void me from being a good candidate for public office? I'm sure there are many other better reasons folks can find for that
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Posted by Lorin Dixson (+601) 11 years ago
David I almost had a wet accident. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall When he got his paper.

[This message has been edited by Lorin Dixson (12/4/2009)]
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Posted by turnip blood (+18) 11 years ago
Shu-

I can only assume you are a reasonable person and I thank you for your points.

Question- would you agree there is a difference between an expired MT drivers license and never possessing a MT drivers license? I am sure you would, we are not talking about someone who, three weeks after their birthday, thought "oh sh*t my license expired."

There is absolutely no excuse for not having insurance, none, none at all. Has he ever had it? He is honest about everything else, right?

I can see forgetting to update your tags, but for over a month, with a postcard from the State?

And the charges are misdemeanors, which are criminal, and for all of those dragging DUI's into this, by State statute those are "simply" traffic citations as well.
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9978) 11 years ago
It's pretty easy to throw stones from a glass house, isn't it, Merle? Especially, while hiding behind a thin veil of anonymity.

Joe at least has enough class to use his real name when posting here, and knows when to wear a suit instead of a greasy apron.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14664) 11 years ago
Guess I don't understand all of the hub-bub here or why the Mayor would need to resign. I once was pull over by Lissa for the same offenses. It pains me to think that those offenses would keep me from become the mayor. I think we should cut the mayor some slack.
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Posted by howdy (+4948) 11 years ago
Cut the mayor some slack...GEEEEZ...He is a great mayor and for his meager salary, he is far underpaid...If that is the worst thing an elected official ever did, we should count ourselves fortunate...
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Posted by turnip blood (+18) 11 years ago
HAHA

Anonymity is nice when you actually live here. Wouldn't want to find myself in a "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!!" situation when I did nothing wrong. But kudos for giving kudos for the use of a real name, assuming of course that you are assuming it is real. How do we know?
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9978) 11 years ago
Do you want to test me?
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16561) 11 years ago
Well......

I like Joe, and think he's a great guy who has done a lot for Miles City since he's come to town.

The only thing I have to offer is.....maybe we should start an MC.COM Christmas charity fund and buy him a bicycle?

He would certainly seem to be as worthy a charity as the other poor Christmas families who are out blowing their paychecks at the casinos.

Just a suggestion.
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2310) 11 years ago
Oh dear, do not test the WebMaster. He knows all
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Posted by turnip blood (+18) 11 years ago
I am under no illusion of who is in control of this site, and no, I do not wish to test him.

My comment was meant to be a joke with regard to having no identification, it was obviously not well received. Though, I do not think I have posted anything outlandish or something that has not crossed the minds of many on this situation.

This will gladly be my last post on this topic.
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Posted by Ms Dinger (+191) 11 years ago
I was surprised to hear the news but yet, not shocked. Being the Mayor and being in a possion of "authority" doesnt mean youre above the law. Not even having a Montana drivers license? Geez! Glad to hear he is resigning.... Maybe he'll return to a state he has a drivers license in-Califorina.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1909) 11 years ago
Right Dingbat! No non-native Miles Citian, particularly an out-of-stater, should ever be allowed to hold an office in Miles City - no matter how qualified they are or how well they do their job.
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Posted by Kelly (+2608) 11 years ago
Joe does not feel that he is above the law. That is why he is pleading guilty to all charges. It is also the reason he offered his resignation.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16561) 11 years ago
He's not above spelling and grammar, either. The Wendinator knows all.
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Posted by T Brown (+482) 11 years ago
I hope Joe stays as Mayor....I was once told by a MC police officer that approximately 80% of the people that get stopped in MC either do not have a drivers License, do not have insurance, or they never carry their license with them. Seriously.....who gives a crap? He's admitted his guilt. In my mind all he needs to do is get his DL, license his vehicle and get some insurance....nuff said.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14664) 11 years ago
Maybe he'll return to a state he has a drivers license in-Califorina.


The articles in both the Gazette and the Star state that his drivers license was expired. No where did it say that his license was from out of state. So how do you "know" this? Is this FACT or just local gossip? How could he file for public office without some ID which would should have raised some questions a couple of years ago. I am confused about this.
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9978) 11 years ago
tulip blood wrote:
I am under no illusion of who is in control of this site, and no, I do not wish to test him.

Wise choice Merle, but strangely, after dark a duck flew by, and I could swear between quacks it said something like "Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and ... " well I didn't get the rest of it. Oh, well.

BTW, you are gagged for irritating me.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
Larry wrote:
BTW, you are gagged for irritating me.

+1 for Larry!

As far as the mayor's license - or lack thereof - is concerned, I don't think it should cost the man his job.
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Posted by Matt - Schmitz (+171) 11 years ago
How can you not live by the rules of the city you govern, yet expect others to do so? To stupid for words. Pay a massive fine, or walk away. To do any thing else is just hypocritical. If in fact your salary is too low to pay these "taxes", the same taxes that every other citizen is paying, then you took the wrong job. Dude! It's a small town. Play by the rules, or go away.
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Posted by Salli (Scanlan) Moore (+85) 11 years ago
Correct the situation, and move on.

A position of authority should be held to a higher standard.
Yet, also, I'm for Joe - maybe he's not perfect, maybe he is tired of all the belly-aching, maybe he is judging himself more than you are judging him, maybe he's human, maybe, maybe .... It would be sad to see him step down.

Correct the situation, and move on.
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Posted by tjh (+133) 11 years ago
I've driven a vehicle with expired tags, before i had my license. I know multiple people who drive on expired tags. As well I know of people the police have "let off" for doing MUCH worse!

No, Joe's not above the law. Yes, Joe should pay his fines. But why resign becasue of such a small thing!
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3716) 11 years ago
On what planet do you lose your job for letting your driver's license expire? Oh lordy what a scandal.
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Posted by howdy (+4948) 11 years ago
If the "powers that be" vote to accept that resignation for this silliness, then they obviously are voting for political reasons and not for the common good of Miles City (which should be their mandate)...They also should revisit that pay raise he requested and give it to him..The best interests of Miles City are obviously in keeping this fine man in office...
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Posted by Bart Freese (+930) 11 years ago
Okay. FIrst I have not read all the posts. Too lazy, or something.

Joe, you drive???

Seriously, I don't know that I've ever seen you behind the wheel. I have always seen you walking, usually with your dog.

Yes, I agree that anyone -- politician, citizen -- anyone should follow the law.

I still support Joe Whalen as mayor. If he starts stealing money, not showing up for work, something like that then i would change my opinion. Joe needs to pay his fines and get back to doing the fine job he's been doing.

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Posted by sloth (+70) 11 years ago
Maybe they should complete a full background check before tuesdays meeting to see if there is a reason for not having a valid drivers license. Then they can decide

[This message has been edited by sloth (12/5/2009)]
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Posted by RJ Ray (+6) 11 years ago
Joe has done a good job for Miles City. Are you all so perfect that you have never done anything wrong? In the scheme of things and in looking at other place's politicians and their transgressions where does this rate, really?
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Posted by Kelly (+2608) 11 years ago
Maybe they should complete a full background check before tuesdays meeting to see if there is a reason for not having a valid drivers license. Then they can decide


Really? For three misdemeanors?
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Posted by Ty Livingston (+33) 11 years ago
The only real reason I can think of for an intelligent being to NOT get registration and a license is that he is running from something somewhere else. I think there is a lot more to this story than a forgetful or greedy person. He's been here EIGHT YEARS under the radar. I would definitely be doing a thorough check at this point. It's the only reasonable and prudent thing to do.
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Posted by souix (+306) 11 years ago
The only real reason I can think of for an intelligent being to NOT get registration and a license is that he is running from something somewhere else.


Yes Ty, the first thing I would do if I were running from something is take the office of Mayor so anyone who wished to "google" my name would find out where I was living and what I was doing.

At least he has "Maned up" and admitted to his transgressions and offered to resign his position. He has taken responsibility for his actions and I am unsure why some on this board wish castigate him more than, I would venture, that he has done to himself.

Perhaps in this Holiday season we can find it in our hearts to have some consideration for our fellow human beings and look within ourselves at how we can better show compassion to those who need our support.

Joe has given 110% to the City of Miles City and now, perhaps, it is our time for us to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted by sloth (+70) 11 years ago
Maybe some of you remember one of the previous city engineers mr. Loyd devies. The city finally did a background check on him one year after employment and found out he wasn't what he was either. So what i am saying is that if there is nothing to hide, what will it hurt to do a background check before we become the laughing stock of the state if we are not already.

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Posted by Smiley (+852) 11 years ago
I am glad he took responsibility for his actions. I don't think he was putting anyone's life in danger by driving without insurance or anything, and he still put in his resignation. Why can't Judge Dukart do that?
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Posted by polar bear (+513) 11 years ago
Swearing to uphold the law implies you plan to follow it yourself.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Polar Bear: We do not know each other,but I like your handle. I just received reinstatement from the webmaster. If you or anyone does not want my posts here,please email me [email protected]
Call me anytime.....day or night....234-2477...951-2786.....OK?

PS....I am deep deep deep into internet research and study of William Wallace of Scotland and his legacy so I can appropriately tie it to that of Ben Franklin as I write a 2,000 page, 4 volume blockbuster........"Hancock Bank and Trust of Greater Boston".......sooooooooo since I am already online unceasingly..........ask me anything and everything you might want to know about.........all the many laws that little ashamed joey whalen has broken in three years in Miles City.....fair enough?
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Mr. Varnell: Sir,excuse me,but, you are sadly mistaken....Rob Shipley
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Kelly: Please,Sir, let me bring you up to speed. Your writing that the council has the responsibility to accept or reject his resignation is true enough..........also........according to State Law..........MCA 2009.............Official Misconduct....45-7-701 (a,b,c,d)...they must ACT ACCORDING TO LAW.........and remove him from office. In their official capacities....individually and collectively...........if they do not.....then they each commit a misprision of felony............and that alone is quite a burden.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
CLD : No. joey whalen (who does not deserve to ever have his name printed in caps) is not above the law......no more than was Nixon or Clinton or Obama. Even Eisenhower placed a U.S.Army traitor before a firing squad. The law is the law. The US is a nation of laws, not a nation of whims of any man or woman. Also, for your appreciation or disdain, the USA is ****not***** a democracy...it is a constitutional republic.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Friend David : Trust me on this. whalen is not worthy of a mere $20,000 a year. It would almost equate to being a single U. S. Dollar for every infraction and blatant disregard of the law. Would Don Schott have ever done such a thing?
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Nikki Logan: Thank you,Lady. You possess a valuable high degree of moxie. Being quite older than you, I was subject as a U. S. sailor to Richard Nixon's orders. He actually could have sent me to die in Nam (but there were a great plenty of air traffic controllers already over there). The biggest REAL legal problem the federal government had in prosecuting Richard Nixon was the question of........"criminal intent". Trust me. I have hundreds of hours of diligent study of that whole goofy,needless,insane affair. Criminal intent notwithstanding, Nixon BROKE THE LAW...as has many many times joe whalen............soooo, now it is time to "Go to Jail, go directly to jail,do not pass GO, do not collect $200."
Thank you.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6169) 11 years ago
I'm only generally aware of what Joe has done for Miles City over the past 8 years but most of what I've heard has been positive. I think that driving with an expired registration and driver's license is negligent but not criminal. Driving without valid insurance, however, seems much more serious. In any event, what he did doesn't rise to the level of Official Misconduct in my book. If he's willing to plead guilty, take his punishment and the city council wants him to stay, I think he should.


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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Jenn: Allow me if you will. I know and like Ralph Dukart a great deal. Ralph Dukart is the fella Miles City needs in his official capacity as City Judge- - - - because he provides the BALANCE in the entire system of the law - - - that he is ***not*** a law school gradute attorney. DO THIS (in your leisure ofcourse). Google Montana Judicial Standards Commission. You will find it to be a panel of FIVE good Montana people- - - all in BALANCE !!!!!! 1. A retired woman rancher from Valier (appointed by the governor) 2. John Murphy of Great Falls, a businessman (appointed by the Gov) 3. An attorney, Mr. Valgenti (elected by Montana District Judges I think-----might be slightly confused here) 4. District Court Judge Ed Mclean of Missoula (appointed by judges) 5. Miles City's very own Gary Day (also appointed by all the Montana District Judges).
This is the method by which the "checks and balances" in the legal constraints of a constitutional republic are achieved- - - OF- - - BY- - and FOR the people. ****Everything joey whalen ever wanted was all for joey whalen......as easily proven in his fraudulent application to the DEQ Commission this time last year......right or wrong?*******

Dukart has served his country over 24 years in the U. S. Army.

And whalen.............hmmmmmm, anyone want to tag on here?
Thanx.
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Posted by Cory Cutting (+1277) 11 years ago
I absolutely hate it when people don't have insurance. Now, there's not having insurance, and not carrying "proof of insurance". Both are the same citation, and have the same fine. However, if you can show the judge you had insurance on the day of the citation, most will dismiss the ticket. That might be something that needs to be studied a little more in this case.

As a police officer, I always wrote insurance tickets becuase I find non-insured drivers to be a huge financial risk to the public. If they did have it but didn't have the card, let them prove it to the judge. I didn't really care.

I also understand that plates go without getting renewed. However, there is a limit. I have an employee at work that has plates from another state that expired 14 months ago! And she comes to work each day on a federal facility! I have explained to her recently that she will have to get them very soon! But plates that expired last month and one has not gotten to the courthouse, shame on you, but pay the fine, get the plates renewed, and move on.

Did the Mayor never have a MT license? Did he never have any license? Was his birthday in October and he didn't realize that this was the renewal year? There are a lot of questions there. Maybe it's like Bart pointed out. Maybe he doesn't have a license and walks everywhere. But needed to get somewhere and rolled the dice. Pay the fine and move on.

For those of you that don't realize, these are, in fact, criminal offenses. You can go to jail for them.

My feelings regarding the violations of law and the Mayor are two different things. These citations are not show stopping crimes. I beleive that the Mayor has offered his resignation because of his integrity. I believe he thinks that his office holds a higher standard than what he has done here.

But I also beleive that he has done more good for Miles City than any Mayor that I have ever known. I believe him to be fair, thoughful and honest in his actions. That is also integrity.

The council is foolish if they accept the Mayor's resignation over this. If they do, I believe it will be politically motivated, and not because of their integrity or their understanding of it.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
JCF : Do yourself and family and friends a great favor. Google to MCA 2009.....Montana Code Annotated 2009......read and study....#45-7-701.....Official Misconduct....(a,b,c,d)......you will then be well informed and pleased to know.........the LAW is the LAW..and in place for ****our***** protections from........government.

Thank you.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Nikki Logan: Again, thank you,most sincerely. Butch Grenz did a way way way way way better overall job than joey whalen could ever do in three lifetimes. Let the FACTS be blessed.....it is all public record at the courthouse and City Hall..Bootchie may have slightly offended some women......which is turpitude in the law..........and was done without any CRIMINAL INTENT whatsoever.........which is BASIC in all facets of criminal law.......because if you do not have a criminal intent....you cannot have a crime......and then we can all go on home and not forever be engaged in all these millions upon millions upon millions of....GOOFY....INSANE.....****victimless**** crimes which have filled US prisons to OVER-BULGING capacity that costs billion$ and billion$ and billion$ more than ALL OTHER nations on the face of the small planet put together.
Boootchie saved the city taxpayers $500,000 a year for two years from the BLOATED Fire Department budget..........the largest per capita FD budget in the entire state of Montana.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Levi and Destiny: This is America and you hold the inalienable (given by GOD) constitutional right to say what you wish and think as you please. Also, you may wish to CHANGE your mind. There is no sense in buying a burning house...........and......no sense betting on a horse with a broken leg.....get my drift? Rob Shipley
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
Um, Rob? If a right is "given" by God, it wouldn't exactly have to be enumerated in the Constitution, would it?

I guess the mayor can only be a Great American Patriot like yourself if he refuses to pay his taxes and threatens the life and limb of anyone who tries to collect them, right?

Welcome back, I guess.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Sandy Kiltie-Losing : Very good question. Actually a very very very good LEGAL POINT. Perhaps it bears researching that when whalen and several City Hall types drove to a seminar or two.....perhaps the *senior official* (and male) would have done the driving....yes?

And, if so.......IN OPEN and FLAGRANT violation of Miles City code and Montana law. Very very intersting indeed.

Thank you for your decisive inflection here..."Ship"
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Posted by sloth (+70) 11 years ago
What about when the mayor is traveling in a city vehicle and gets into an accident. It's my understanding that any city employee using a city vehicle must have at all time's a valid drivers license and must able to be covered by the city's insurance. From the sounds of it he has not had either one of those covered.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Shu: You speak the relevant truth here. Thank you for same. I was greatly saddened with the Mark Richardson affair believe me. Google if you like to any website about Navy CNOs....Chiefs of Naval Operations. You will find there was a Navy admiral who had bootstrapped the whole climb to becoming the highest ranking U.S. Naval Officer at that time from being an enlisted recruit in boot camp. He committed suicide........because.....some politician charged that a SINGLE medal or ribbon on the chest of his Dress White Uniform was displayed, and, in his Naval Record- - - he had never earned it......(out of perhaps 25 or 30).....duh?

But......joey whalen was ALL THE TIME COGNIZANT and AWARE that he was every hour of every day BREAKING the LAW as he swaggered around Miles City all puffed up with himself as mayor.........the actual SENIOR RANKING official of the town.

"Ship"
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
I know what Mr. Whalen's punishment should be.

He should be required to clean up Mr. Shipley's property.

He should then be given a medal.

EVERYBODY WINS!!!
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Posted by Bob L. (+5096) 11 years ago
Just imagine if Mr. Whalen had negelected to pay his Federal income taxes!
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
Yeah, he'd be a .... GREAT AMERICAN PATRIOT !!!!!
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Turnip Blood: You have just taken a common 20 penny nail and driven in right down DEEP INTO THE GUTS of this old timber and plank we are all discussing here.......almost as if you used a pneumatic airhammer !!!!!!!!!!

To heck with the measely pay mention- - - - HE BROKE THE LAWS of Miles City, state of Montana and U.S Constitution.

Forgiveness is one thing......breaking the law..............WILLFULLY and KNOWINGLY is quite another.

Thank you ever so much......Rob Shipley
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6169) 11 years ago
Perhaps Joe's name is really Jean ValJean. Run, Joe, run! Here comes Inspector Javert!
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
(To the tune of G.I. Joe

He fights for FREEDOM ... wherever there's TROUBLE!!!!
Shipley, ROB is there!
SHIPLEY, ROB!!!
Real AMERICAN ... HERO!!!
SHIPLEY, Rob is therrrrrreee...

He pays no TAXES, 'cause they're ILLEGAL!!!
But he's there to cast the STONES!
Shipley, ROB!!!
Giving the Mayor a HEADACHE!!!
ShIpLeY, ROB is therrrreeeee...

Ship is short for "Shipwreck," of course:
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
You have just taken a common 20 penny nail and driven in right down DEEP INTO THE GUTS of this old timber and plank we are all discussing here.......almost as if you used a pneumatic airhammer

This may supplant Jimbo's "split from crotch to gullet" quote as the Greatest Thing Ever Muttered on milescity.com.

The Bulwer-Lytton people may like to speak to you, Rob.

http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/

I'm expecting the customary "Mouthy C**ksucker" email anytime now ...

[This message has been edited by Brian A. Reed (12/5/2009)]
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Posted by Dave Roberts (+1489) 11 years ago
pneumatic airhammer


Not to step on Wendy's toes or anything, but I just want to point out that "pneumatic airhammer" is redundant.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
Now, now, Dave. If there's ANYTHING for which Rob Shipley will not stand, it's redundancy.

He also doesn't like it when people say the same thing twice. Same thing twice.
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Posted by Lorin Dixson (+601) 11 years ago
Webmaster; thank you for the early Xmas present.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Atomic : You are just dead wrong. Who in the world would ever NOT EVER HAVE A state driver license on record for over FIVE years?
This is not a mere inuendo nor oversight nor idiosyncracy.......this is an act of a person's possibly being a FLIGHT RISK or fugitive from justice.
Don't trust my saying so....google it......read and find out what FBI special agents use to deduce criminal intent etcetera.

Rob Shipley
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Posted by Lorin Dixson (+601) 11 years ago
David Schott, Do you beleive the webmaster has a sense of humor?
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3749) 11 years ago
Rob,

Can you explain to me where I'm mistaken? From a lot of posts here, yours excluded, it seems to me that he's been doing a pretty good job as Mayor.

Then again I'm not from Miles City so I really don't know.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
Yes, Rob. Truly what the mayor did is the Worst. Thing. Ever.

He should be incarcerated in a Federal holding cell for a few months.

And then branded.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
Kyle, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Webmaster : Sir, we do not actually REALLY know if joe whalen has class or not.......do we? We do not even know if joe whalen is rilly rilly rilly joe whalen....do we?

Where is his Birth Certificate? Positive U S Government ID ?

Oath of Office? Rob Shipley
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
Oh Jeebus ... the Birther movement against Mayor Joe has begun.
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Posted by Kyle L. Varnell (+3749) 11 years ago
Kyle, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!


I have a bad feeling about this.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Mr. Bob Netherton: I agree with you,Sir, wholeheartedly. Miles City is a judicial tyranny quagmire. We are burdened with a Broadus attorney who slinks around like a skunk. Miles City taxpayers PAY HIS SALARY so he can *time after time after time after time* prosecute and reprosecute us for the very same crimes that we never did commit!!! And we're all supposed to just roll over and play dead and like it. Before Butch Grenz....what other Miles City mayors were ever in lawsuits and trouble? Can't remember any. Sure beats the Billy-Be- Damned out of me why joe whalen has already two lawsuits in the works against him.

Do not ever think Dewey Huss, Kenny Wilson, Bruce Brown, or any of the other so very good attorneys who ever served in this office in the past fifty years would ever have let it become the sanguine mess that it now so truly is.

Rob Shipley
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Salli Scanlan: You are wrong. Sad to disagree with you here. When Bob Scanlan edited the Star and wrote "Scanning the News with Scanlan" all those many good years ago........he NEVER had to even look up and notice a mayor or a cop or a city employee ever BLATANTLY Breaking the Law!!! Period. They all do it now ONLY because they all know how little AMERICANS care.
It is because Americans DO NOT CARE.....that we have socialism and communist agendas FIRED at us from Congress and the White House.............in a daily staccato. Rob Shipley

Trust me... I am suing FOUR Miles City cops....whalen......the aforesaid Broadus attorney.........because they all conspired to commit fraud....which is a felony.

I didn't break the law.........each of them did.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1909) 11 years ago
I was being sarcastic, Rob.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Ty Livingston: Sir, you are nearing GENIUS I am sure. Denny Young and I have been now 2+ days discussing this. THERE IS NO ACCPETABLE REASON ON EARTH why little pauper joey whalen ain't got a Montana Driver License !!!!!!!!!!!! There are possibly federal charges somewhere........there may be a woman and some children fresh outa cash and wanting and NEEDING their legally specified child support.
There is the old saying...."where there's smoke there must be a fire".........and.....just like what got little joey in so much legal trouble with me and Bruce Ingraham (we both are suing him).......he never obtained a SEARCH WARRANT....and they are so so so so so so so easy to get from any good judge.

Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. Ship
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Reed: Again. As it rests easy in the federal courthouse in Billings- - - I was ACQUITTED by the HIGHEST RANKING legal officer in the State of Montana - - -the MOST HONORABLE CHIEF FEDERAL JUDGE Richard F. Cebull. This means for all of America....it has been *judiciously determined IN and BY the laws that govern the United States of America* I did no wrong, I did not commit any crime. Period.

GOOGLE to Ron Paul's website.....read and understand that at long last......there ACTUALLY are U. S. Senators trying to get the Federal Reserve audited.......because the Federal Reserve never has been a federal agency and the income tax (not corporate income tax- - - the individual or personal income tax) NEVER HAS BEEN DEEMED CONSTITUTIONAL and was completely done away with in 1895 by the U. S. Supreme Court for its being just exactly that - - - UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Period.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Brian A. Reed: Did you ever think about your initials? B A R. Not being Browning Automatic Rifle......which was used to kill 100s of thousands of Nazi German troops and Imperial Japanese troops to WIN THE SECOND WORLD WAR......but the despicable annotation of B A R......that being British Authority Registry......the gloom and doom of the stuff that exemplifies why lawyers are to be above all of us ordinary peasants as the elite class they always asprire to be?

Do your homework,Son, ok?
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Posted by David Schott (+16446) 11 years ago
Lorin Dixson wrote:
David Schott, Do you beleive the webmaster has a sense of humor?

Yes. Unfortunately.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Bob L. : Sir, if little joey, pauper as he is, did not file his 1040s like a nice little sheep.......he'd only being joining the 450,000+ federal employees and IRS employees who don't.
GOOGLE to any of the many websites and learn the truth.....ok?

Rob Shipley
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
"Not guilty" doesn't mean you didn't threaten someone, Rob.

"Not guilty" also applies to your threats against a Federal employee, not for your refusal to pay taxes - for a longer period than Mr. Whalen hasn't had a license, I might add, Rob.

"Not guilty" is what you're called when you're not really mentally competent to know what you're doing in the first place, Rob.

"Not guilty" is reasonable doubt, Rob.

Period. (shouldn't it be Period. Period. Period. Period. Exclamation point. Exclamation point. Exclamation point?)
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
You're ripping on my INITIALS, Rob? Wow. I guess I should be upset at my parents for only naming me ... and not giving me everything I "own." I can see why you're upset.

Let's see if I can play this game, too.

Rob Shipley = R.S.

R.S. could stand for Revised Statute (nah).

It could also stand for Rolling Stone (nah).

Or Reduced (mental) State (better).

Or Restricted Synapses (plausible).

Or just Really Stupid (Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!)
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
Why don't YOU run for mayor, Rob?
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6018) 11 years ago
I didn't break the law.........each of them did.

Yes, you did. You just happen to be daft, which gave you a Get Out of Jail Free (eventually) card. Period.
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Posted by Tori (+201) 11 years ago
Welcome back Rob!
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Posted by Smiley (+852) 11 years ago
Why do people take what Mr. Shiply says seriosly? He is a self admitted internet junky. By commenting on what he has to say you are simply feeding his addiction. The first step in recovery is this:

Mr Shiply you have a problem.
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2310) 11 years ago
Ugh! It would be a GODSEND, yes, GODSEND if Mr. Shipley's period key would stop functioning.

Also,
The All-Mighty Shipley wrote:

Webmaster : Sir, we do not actually REALLY know if joe whalen has class or not.......do we? We do not even know if joe whalen is rilly rilly rilly joe whalen....do we?

Talk about repetitive.
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Posted by Dan Mowry (+1430) 11 years ago
This is definitely a pay-per-view thread. Larry could be pulling in the bucks if he wanted to charge admission.
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2310) 11 years ago
If he charged admission I'd go watch wrestling on TV. About the same.
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Posted by Smiley (+852) 11 years ago
I think I would have to go with the poking a monkey idea.(Maybe replace the monkey with a bear..)
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Posted by Cory Cutting (+1277) 11 years ago
minus the pretty tights and big muscles.....
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Posted by uno21 (+70) 11 years ago
This is response to an earlier post about the mayor maybe not having enough money to cover his license/registration and insurance costs. I'm also broke beyond broke,living paycheck to paycheck, but I do keep up my license/registration and insurance costs. I can't afford a ticket or lawsuit if there ever were an accident. I guess it's all part of being a grown-up.
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Posted by poisonspaghetti (+285) 11 years ago
Dearest Webmaster: PLEASE, put the gag back on!
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Posted by Jeremy Orthman (+438) 11 years ago
Rob,

You should edit your number out of there. Unless you want random people all over the country to call you.
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Posted by john w caylor (+81) 11 years ago
Rob
You referenced Montana code 45-7-701.So i did some quick research on that code. Funny thing is in my limited skills on a computer i was not able to find a 45-7-701 but i did find allot of 45,s. So with your help and maybe some help from some that are more astute to searching.Here's what i did.
1. Googled Montana state code annotated 2009.
2.Went to search.Typed in 45
3.Scrolled down to Data.opl.mt.gov-bills/mca/45/7.
I thought you might have made a typo so i read any of the 45,s that seem pertinent to this issue.I couldn't find any on this issue but did find many that pertain to you.It seams that you have two sets of standards considering your stand on Dukart.So maybe you might want to research Montana cannons on judicial ethics too #4.
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Posted by john w caylor (+81) 11 years ago
4. Avoidance of Impropriety.
A judge's official conduct should be free from impropriety and the appearance of impropriety; he should avoid infractions of law; and his personal behavior, not only upon the Bench and in the performance of judicial duties, but also in his everyday life, should be beyond reproach.
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Posted by john w caylor (+81) 11 years ago
I found it 45-7-401.
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Posted by Bruce Helland (+590) 11 years ago
Richard! You never had a Montana drivers license?
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14664) 11 years ago
I had a MT license with all the endorsements necessary to drive a tractor-trailer and haul corrosive liquids. I didn't have my license with me when I was pulled over for expired plates and no insurance. It wasn't that I didn't want to buy insurance... I need to save up two or three pay checks to purchase it.

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Let me ask again:

Did the mayor have a MT license that was expired or did he have an out of state license that was expired?
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Brian A. Reed: With the webmaster's permission, I perhaps would then advise you that you do need serious professional help.
FACTS are : 1. I never ever laid eyes on the IRS agent who blabbed to the feds I had threatened her. If you feel ashamed to confront me on this.........at least go to the Federal Record in the Battin Courthouse and check it out. You can also email Paula Saye-Dooper at "saye law" from the internet. She and her senior law partner,Rob Stephens, Jr., are in very very very good standing before the Federal Court in Billings. The facts in the Record of the case are that I never intended to threaten anyone, NEVER DID THREATEN ANYONE, and, was driven nearly mad by any decent standards due to the extreme lawlessness and oppression from the IRS. Read it. Check it out. Then perhaps be quiet.

Also, you may want to reevaluate this. My close friends in Miles City who went through my 315 days in jail with me....every step of the way......also are pleased that I ****twice***** all by my little dumbself.......exercised in the law (exercised in the law is a better terminology that "used the law") the PROPER LEGAL METHOD to *twice* have the IRS agent who illegally stole my entire 4Bs checks......June of 2005 and September of 2006.........return them to me............obviously the extreme admission of GUILT on her part.......and a STIFLING FOUNDATION to the total athiest communist lawbreaking by the IRS........not a U.S. federal agency.

Anyone in the USA.....any single private citizen........without the aid or assitance from an attorney nor a CPA.........who has ever made the IRS return stolen money to them.........and especially TWICE....the same amout........from the very same illegal IRS agent..........is quite decently not common in more than one in 700 or 800,000 cases the IRS has every year.

GOOGLE Ronnie Doitch of Taxmasters on the net.......email them...ask them if they have ever if 15 or 20 or 25 years EVER EVER EVER EVER heard of anyone forcing the IRS to replay stolen funds............it never happens. Period.

I did it ***** TWICE ***** because I was forced to.

Would I be a good mayor of Miles City for a measly $20,000 a year ?
You betcha. Because in the first place I don't need the taxpayer's cash........and in the second place I hold a great deal of respect for Judge Dukart,Judge Day, Mark Ahner, Jerry Partridge, my friend Meidinger and........surely Governor Brian Schweitzer........all of these decent good people little pauper joey has lied to repeatedly.

You are always wanting to be so smart.......place a petition for me to be appointed the interim mayor after joey departs.........see what results you may gain. Miles City good people who know me and have known my very wonderful parents before me might just SCARE you to death !!!!!!!

And, besides, as a very very very *nice* special benefit of my perhaps becoming mayor...........I do have actually well over TEN THOUSAND HOURS.........10,000.......of diligent internet study of the law........the U.S.Constitution......MCA 2009....and ofcourse the Holy Bible.

So, now, what say you about this, Mr. Reed?
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Dave Roberts: Sir, you are exactly correct. Pardon my faux pas.
Mere oversight no malice intended. "Ship"
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Kyle : Please go visit Butch Grenz. He is in the basement of the 600 every morning or early afternoon. He and I have been settling world issues there for 25 years or more. Do this. This will rilly rilly rilly rilly enhance your total viewpoint about pauper joey and the City Council and the whole Big Picture.
Ever think about what it was to the Etchemendy family when joey made his big deal foray to Hardin to ask that they trek to Miles City and spend their dough? Hmmmmm? After ofcourse one of their own kidnapped and brutally murdered one of our own? Do you ever see how truly RIDICULOUS it is to have an "Indian" blanket for all tense and purposes ever so proudly displayed on the City Hall wall to amplify pauper joey's linking with the Hardin Chamber of Commerce etcetera........OUT OF COMPLETE IGNORANCE of the brutal and HEINOUS kidnapping and murder of Marty Etchemendy?
I do know a great deal about all of this.
A. I was kidnapped at gunpoint out the back door of Earl Kelly's Range Rider's Bar March 9,1985.
B. I was at the Golden West (now the Golden Spur) the night some drunken mouthy Indian gave a ration of s*** to John Morford and they went outside (not at all very well to the liking of the Indian).
C. I know why the Hardin Indians came back to the Golden West....they were seeking John Morford.....whose name they didn't know.........(John Morford...initials JM.....Marty Etchemendy...initials JME...John Martin Etchemendy).
D. For the rest of the story please either contact Paul Harvey or the Public Records in the James F. Battin Courthouse in Billings.............OK?

Get my drift?

Ship

PS. Plus, now that pauper joey dint get his little waise.....ah shucksydoodle..............too bad........there is sickness and poverty all over the world.

I know. People need money. I am a very bad wabbit for evening mentioning this in such an awful depression time as this.
Wob the bad Wabbit.......hmmmmm....maybe I ought to VOLUNTEER to serve as mayor at the people's gain by LEGALLY contracting to serve without remuneration........wowowowow.......would I still be then a very bad wabbit?
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Brian Reed: Once again. In the VERY VERY VERY first instance......IRS agents are merely A G E N T S....precisely what the word implies. They have BY LAW no more legal authority or purpose than a County Extension AGENT or a Licensed Insurance AGENT or a USED CAR SALESMAN who acts and buys and sells cars for a dealer as an agent being GOVERNED by the full force and effect of AGENCY LAW. OK? Or is this as usual way way way over your head? Sorry.

Google has only..........TENS of THOUSANDS of websites that BLARE OUT this truth..........IRS agents are not *federal officers* at all!!!!!!!! Officers in the federal system OR the state system all MUST swear an Oath of Office.....to uphold and defend the U.S.Constitution !!!!!!!!!!!

IRS agents never have to do this...........this is why they get away with all their heinous and specious and terrible crimes the way they do. Period.

pauper joey by the way also had to SWEAR an Oath of Office......to act ACCORDING to the laws of Montana...........which SPECIFY owners and operators of motor vehicles being used upon the public right-of-way MUST be operated BY A LICENSED driver !!!!!!!

To do otherwise is a PREMEDITATED BREAKING OF THE LAW.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Uno 21: Please rest easy. We are all going to be WORSE than broke when the feds get done with this.........if a blood revolution does not engage and stop it all.
By the way...............there are over 26 million cars and pickups and trucks in California.........the biggest state in the Union already BANKRUPT due to lawless UNACCOUNTABILITY........39 per cent..........2 of ever 5.........DO NOT HAVE *mandatory* (meaning made LAW against the will of the people) liabilty insurance BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY ARE SUFFERING AND CANNOT AFFORD THE....s*** !!!!!!!

Alaska.....17 years ago.......put this mandatory (UNconstitutional) insurance crap to a statewide referendum and DEFEATED it ENTIRELY.
In Alaska you can LIVE FREE and DRIVE FREE....because Big Brother........cannot FORCE you to buy his insurance salesman cousin's insurance !!!!!!!!!
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Potatohead or Spaghettihead or whomever: Pleases me to see your insipid remark. Like little pauper joey..........you well express your lack of common sense and decency. Thank you so much. "Ship"
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
poison : I doubt to beat heck that an egomaniac such as yourself ever could reach down deep enough into your guts to ever evince a real American name like 99.8769 % of all real Americans use? Just a thought. Ship
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2310) 11 years ago
Yano Rob, instead of Double, Triple, Quadruple and farther posting, why not Just make each section separate in one big post? Saves time.

[This message has been edited by Josh Rath (12/6/2009)]
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
poison: You did not do so bad. You do remind me of the latent need of people like you who M U S T remain and thrive in anonymity. Precisely like pauper joey......trying so stupidly to FORCE City Judge Ralph Dukart and District Judge Day to come to actually.........BELIEVE.........he had received....."anonymous" phonecalls about me..........all of which is EASILY EASILY EASILY provable and easily shunned and DISMISSED an a court of law.......as it exhibits NO SENSE......and no purpose........in the law.......plus........openly VIOLATES the Rules of Evidence as specified in MCA 2009 and the Montana Constitution.
Thanx again, Goofy. "Ship"
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Jeremy : Thank you,Sir, for your good thinking in such perilous times as these. Assuredly there are thousands and thousands of instances where Identity Theft and corruption lurks everywhere in our nation. Thank you for your well thought tip.

(Not to pass up the chance to restate.....pauper joey ORDERED both warrantless searches of me and Bruce Ingraham.......violating Montana and U.S. Constitutional law).

pauper joey....."Wob, you is a bad wabbit"
Bad Wabbit (me)......."I sorry,joey......I try will will will hard not to expose your abject toopidity anymore,ok?"
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Posted by poisonspaghetti (+285) 11 years ago
What a nuckin' fut.
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Posted by Sandy Kiltie-Losing (+263) 11 years ago
Richard, the article in the 12/4/09 Billings Gazette states;

"State attorney general's office spokesman Kevin O'Brien said Friday that no record that Whalen had ever been a licensed driver in Montana could be found.

Whalen, who has been mayor since May of 2006, declined to comment Friday on the status of his driver's license."

Which is what made me curious as to how he could have been in Montana for the last 7 years and not needed a valid license; to write a check, get on a plane, drive a vehicle, or one of the other mulitude of things a license comes in handy for. Nothing accusatory just pure curiosity. And most likely none of my business.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Caylor: Like me or hate me..........does not matter. I have read,reread,studied and PRINTED the Canons of Judicial Ethics of both Montana and Wyoming.....and have dutifully compared both of them and each of them to other states. This exploration was all mine to do....and ENJOY.

Suggest you GOOGLE to Laramie Wyoming Municipal Court......BECAUSE YOU CAN as your constitutional right to do so.......ask them,demand of them the TRUTH...........that....did or did not corrupt municipal court judge....R.D.Copenhaver.....actually NOT have his 2007 (July 1st) contract reapproved by the City Council owing to the FACTS of the LAW that Rob Shipley demanded he be removed from the bench for his many many many violations of the Judicial Ethics of the State of Wyoming.

You see,Sir, copenhaver was an attorney (part time).....at the very SAME TIME he was municipal court judge....................does this SMACK to you of being IMPROPER.....and perhaps.....grossly ILLEGAL???????

Tim Hale, Laramie,Wyoming....call info ,get Tim's tele#....call him.....he will tell you....EXPLICITELY how Rob Shipley caused a STIR and COMMOTION ever so grand that Laramie had to remove CORRUPT JUDGE copenhaver................see what I like about KNOWING everything about judicial ethics in the law?
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Caylor: I too know this only too well. But,judge Dukart admits freely to friends he has a drinking and weight problem. He actually STRUGGLES with this on a daily basis..........but he does not ever...........P R E M E D I T A T E to break the laws !!!!!! He never has been living in Montana for EIGHT years........never having legally obtained a Driver License as he ABSOLUTELY LEGALLY MUST DO TO DRIVE A CAR.Period.

He drove the first time after he'd been drinking because the other fellow did NOT HAVE A LICENSE !!!!!!!! OK? He made a PERSONAL DEMAND DECISION...........he thought it BETTER that he drive other than his *friend* (word having NO meaning whatsoever in the limited mental capacity and language of pauper joey).

Duh? Hello? Dukart took the fall for his erred decision,Period. He hired a very wonderful Miles City attorney (T.Hanson). He admits freely he made a mistake and AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL he surely surely should not have made such a mistake !!!!!!!!! But he did it......accidentally......sans PREMEDITATION..........and he feels very badly about it now..........call him,ask him like a man...ok?
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1909) 11 years ago
For driving - you need a driver's license. For everything else, a state ID works.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Josh Rath: Just my way. I have idiosyncracies of my very own that I enjoy. When I get drunk I like to get so smashed the cat won't even sleep on my bed with me.............no big deal. When I go into the Outer Limits (the real Highway to the Danger Zone).....I like to be gone for years and years.......just the way that I am. Wob the bad Wabbit
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Ms. Kiltie-Losing : Sure it is your business if you want it to be. Memory serves there was another Montana fellow who did not live according to acceptable laws of the state or the federal constitution.........but ofcourse he didn't L I E to get appointed to any OFFICIAL OFFICE...........he just sent little eensy teensy bombs in letters to people so they could blow themselves up.....Unibomber Ted from up west.........you remember him don't you? The guy who had not alot of cash (pobbly dint have liability insurance for his "bombing spree" either ) so he lived in a cabin on the mountainside and invented weird and scary stuff.

Ah, isn't he in prison now for breaking the law?

Ship
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Josh Rath and all others: Whether any of you like me at all matters not; I absolutely ,completely and physically could never care less.

But.....for those of you who might want to ENJOY the funniest ever EMAIL........Google to "whattacharacter.com"......there they have a zoom-in to a muslim jihadist....reading a Christmas type muslim order to children of the world about the falselhood of Christmas.....and other insanely goofy muslim s***..........when the muslim creep finishes his missive.......Santa Claus from the distance has been training his scope on his head and BINGO....Santa assassinates the goofy muslim cleric............one bullet.......sweet clean shot right through the head...........as the muslim PUKE is dead on the floor with his blood oozing out onto the floor.............Santa exclaims........"Like that you slimy muslim bastard....ho ho ho"

Beautiful..absolutely beautiful.

If you cannot find it in WHAT TA CHARACTER .com....email me and I will FORWARD it to you......it is [email protected] Shipley
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Posted by Josh Rath (+2310) 11 years ago
Ok, here my vote to regag Rob. I forgot how he is. This is a very good reminder..
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Posted by Smiley (+852) 11 years ago
IS mister Rob Shipley's Job Conspiracy Theorist? I think it would fit greatly with all he EVER posts.

I don't know if this happens to you all, but ever meet those people that just lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and that's all they do? He seems like one of those. Nothing they say is the truth.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14664) 11 years ago
Sandy: Thanks for pointing out that detail.
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Posted by john w caylor (+81) 11 years ago
Shipley
I really don't have an opinion of whether I like or dislike you. All I was doing was what you asked everybody to do, that's Google. And in doing so it seems that I have hit a nerve judging from your response. It is evident that you harbor allot of animosity for our major,law enforcement,and other depts. And in my opinion there are 2 reasons that come to mind on why you keep siting all your victories in Wyo etc. One is an attempt to get your message to them without really involving yourself. And the other is just plain bragging. Cause you know they read these threads. And yes I am standing for the mayor on this for the very simple reasons are that what he did was nothing short of what most people would do depending on their situation and I personally feel that he's done a stellar job for our community as well as Dukart if I were to research that. You and your crew are trying to paint a picture that he's an outlaw on the run. Hell man in my 52 years on this earth I've been in some pretty tight situations to where I have had to sit down and stretch my pay and prioritise where my money goes and this process sometimes depending on the situation took quite some time .Unlike you I wasn't blessed with a large inheritance since you seem to judge people on there net worth or whether or not they served.Father served 25 U.S.A. Korea/ Vietnam me U.S.N. And the other reason is he is not from this town and was able to put a wrench in the good old boy club that is so prevalent in our city and county governments. Which to me has the main agenda to stifle the working people and maintain the big fish in a little pond syndrome. You keep referencing ethics and conduct in case you haven't noticed both of them are damn near extinct as well as understanding in a good percentage of people, government and businesses. And as far as my manhood is concerned I would be happy to meet with you, Ralph, or Joe to discuss matters Cause honestly I am allot better face to face as I am trying to type. Haze grey and under way! I eagerly await an e-mail
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Smiley: Seems painfully obvious...you may need to seek mental health help......joey the pauper is a pathelogical liar.......google..."pathelogical"......study to understand WHY and HOW losers like him lie as they do.......for years and years and years..........they cannot help themselves.....they do not know what they do to others by LYING all the time.............they think they're cool.............they think they are alone and aloof and on the level..............but, they harbor a real need to LIE and keep LYING all the time..........very very similar to cleptomaniacs and their need to steal. Do not trust what I write here..........go to the library......or internet and STUDY their craziness yourself.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Caylor: In the event that you may wish to KNOW THE TRUTH.....the whole truth....and nothing but the truth.............here it is.
A. Someone or several people who do not like me because I am not nearly as good a person as my parents were or for other reasons .....and who cannot ever muster up the guts to speak to me face to face......have *used* pauper joey the pathelogical liar to do their bidding for them.

B. In August of 2006......only a very few months after the City Council appointed him mayor.........he selected to think he could throw his weight around........and informed MCPD to cite me for being a Public Nuisance.....because my home sits close to the golfcourse and alot of highminded lunatics drive by and don't like me....don't like my stuff......whatever.

C. You see.......not a one.....never a single person has ever stopped by my home and ever ever ever ever ever....spoken to me....as a free American expressing their rightful opinion about the three older Lincolns or whatever it is or was that upset them.........all the queers and faggots ever did was....complain to joey the pauper..............who has NO LEGAL AUTHORITY to trample upon my Constitutional Rights.......nor yours.

D. Soooooo, MCPD did their thing. I defended myself SUI JURIS in City Court........and made attorney Noble look like a fool. It took Judge Dukart less than 11 minutes to contemplate I was NOT GUILTY !!!!!!!!

E. This was March of 2007.

+++Pay attention here,please. If the cops and the goofy ignorant-of-the-law mayor had done this to you.........and you had gained a LAWFUL ACQUITTAL in the City Court from the Honorable Judge who the mayor does not like.........would you do *anything* different at or upon your residential property...........for any reason? Why ofcourse not!!!!! You had just been acquitted in a COURT OF LAW of no wrongdoing...........everything was scrubbed!!!!

F. So, with NOT A SINGLE EENSY TEENSY thing ever changed at my residence...............seventeen (17) months later............pauper joey who was pissed about losing his first drafted FRAUDULENT case against me.........****did it again**** he AGAIN BROKE THE LAW......acting as mayor......ILLEGALLY directing the MCPD to cite me again.....for the very same misdemeanor ....of the very same ***unchanged in any way property******..............which is ALL ILLEGAL as per the 5th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution and Article II, Section 25 of the Montana Constitution......DOUBLE JEOPARDY. Google both constitutions and then you can READ and KNOW........the double jeopardy clauses in each are SAFEGUARDS to protect the citizens FROM THE GOVERNMENT and prohibit subsequent prosecutions for the same offense.

G. So, this Second Time Around.........after having his fat ass kicked in court by me.........NOT AN ATTORNEY......little pipsqueek Jeff Noble who is despised by alot of people in Miles City over the Dick Hay fiasco.......ACTUALLY recruited two Miles City cops and schooled them how to testify AGAINST me........a resident of Miles City since 1947!!!!!!!! And in doing all of this......joey had the Chief of Police order the two cops ON TO MY PROPERTY....without a Search Warrant....which is so very easily easily obtained.........POLICE CANNOT come on to your property nor mine without a search warrant UNLESS they are in pursuit of a felon or there exists an element in the law known as EXIGENCY !!!! Period.
Anytime they do.....without a Search Warrant as per the Constitution.......that becomes a "warrantless search"......and that act is ILLEGAL and negates or VOIDS or vitiates the entire proceeding!!!!!

H. Then he(attorney ignoble) LIED to Judge Dukart.........stating to the honorable judge that Double Jeopardy did not apply here in this case WHEN IN ALL ARENAS of common sense and reason IT DOES !!!!!

J. After I appealed to the District Court.....attorney Ignoble.....***LIED***** to Honorable Judge Gary Day !!!!!!!!!!

K. And.....all the while............when I made a REQUEST FOR DISCOVERY of eight eight eight (8) certain informations attendent to the charges against me.............joe whalen and jeff ignoble............NEVER EVER furnished but ONE......a copy of the City Court ACQUITTAL of March 2007!!!!!!!!!!!

You readers do not KNOW how badly your rights and the laws are TWISTED every day in Miles City by the likes of ignoble and liar joey.............you simply do not know.


A good attorney......any decent attorney......when presented with the LYING LUNACY of the now resigning LAWBREAKING mayor.........would have...should have......said "No. I can not and will not prosecute Shipley AGAIN......because it violates the statutes ......in particular....."res judicata"....."estoppel"....and"double jeopardy".

But these thugs all get away with all of this.......because NONE of YOU ever make them ACCOUNTABLE. This is 2000% truth.

The very same reason why several years ago......the Fire Chief....wasted.....absolutely wasted.....$1135....eleven hundred and thirty five dollars.......on a DELUXE CHROME grill guard for his personal FD pickup !!!!!!!!!!

I just had Greg Kmetz of Nolley's Welding build mine for my Chevy Duramax 3/4 ton crewcab 4x4 two weeks ago......for $225.00 !!!!!!!!!! One fourth as much !!!!!!!!!

Now however, I am suing whalen, ignoble, all four cops........and a City Council member who FALSELY testified against me and BROKE THE LAW.

We will see................ok? Ship
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Sandy Kiltie-Losing : Don't you think it way more than just a slight oddity that pauper joey......in living in Montana now eight years......was never questioned about his true identity? In the last eight years I have flown on no fewer than perhaps 20 or 25 airliners and each time TSA sees my Dr Lic and tickets and luggage and everything. Does he *do* all his *official ident * with a Birth Certificate? Or is there something bigger here than any of us know?
Several of you good people have asked the solid question...."What about his driving City vehicles?" Very very very good question for sure.

I am curious (as is Bruce Ingraham who is also suing joey for his unauthorized and ILLEGAL ordering of a warrantless search) why.....the State did not require his TRUE and LEGAL identification when he was appointed to the DEQ Commission.....a State Board?

Rob Shipley
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Posted by Smiley (+852) 11 years ago
Mr Shipley- I really think your excessive use of periods could warrant mental health. Googling words is not usually something I have to do. The only thing I think I'm good at is vocabulary and spelling. My husband posts on my name and makes errors. That irritates me because I think if you post in a public forum, you should have great grammar. You sir, do not. You make spelling errors occasionally and your misuse of the "." is very very annoying. I don't care about "pauper Joey." I looked up the definition of pauper for you.

- pau·per·ism \-p?-?ri-z?m\ noun
Pronunciation: \'po?-p?rFunction: noun
Etymology: Latin, poor - more at poor
Date: 1516
1 : a person destitute of means except such as are derived from charity; specifically : one who receives aid from funds designated for the poor
2 : a very poor person

- pau·per·ism \-p?-?ri-z?m\ noun
So basically are you saying poor Joey? I mean either you could be using that term sarcastically, or you mean he is literally poor. Eiter way it's not a very good insult. I think "transgressing Joey" would be a better term. Mr. Shipley, I'm sure there are plenty of people out there off of MC.COM that like you ad care about what you have to say.

I suggest you stop trying to seek approval of these people like the unpopular band geek in High School. It's not going to happen. You have screwed yourself in the approval department. I guess you get a thrill from having others read your posts. Mostly, I skim through to get an understanding of who you are so I can verbally assault you.

I think we all get it. You were f***ed over by every government official and their mom, and you want revenge, paypack, justice?

Interesting. Well my better advice for you is - Stop Bitching and get use to it like most of us have done. Life is never going to be fair, period.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Smiley: You seem so high and mighty in your address......"Eiter...." and such....perhaps you ought to better edit your missive? Makes absolutely not one iota of difference to me however.........I simply and I do mean simply could NOT EVER be moved to ever ****care***** anything about what you think of me or ever write about me...........Lady, you should read some of your stuff...........you ain't never seen the ball since the kickoff !!!!
You do not have an inkling that pauper joey has enjoyed an......ILLEGAL.......vendetta against me for over three years. Twice he has sent the cops after me to embarrass me with Public Nuisance BS. The first time was OK. I beat his goofy little prosecuting attorney in a COURT OF LAW !!!!! That ends it......as per the Montana and U.S. Constitutions which each hold statutes that PROHIBIT GOVERNMENT from subsequent ONGOING or NEVERENDING persecutions !!!!!!!!
I was born and raised in Miles City. I grew up in the Pauley family that gave Miles City ((( and the world)))the ONLY ANNUAL BUCKING HORSE SALE in the cosmos!!!!!!!! I love Miles City. There for years and years was a popular slogan that Miles Citians enjoyed.......(way before your time)......"Meet anyone in Miles City at the Beacon, the Bison or the 600". My folks owned and operated Beacon Carter Service and W&S Propane Company from 1945 until 1982.

Trivia you may want to remember......the Beacon in Miles City,Montana (population 10,000).......became the LARGEST AREA-WISE EXXON JOBBERSHIP in the entire Rocky Mountain Region of EXXON USA !!!!!!! Hello? Way way way over your head,right?
In 1976 Beacon Carter Tire Department sold and delivered so many many many heavy equipment tires to Long Construction Company and Western Energy in Colstrip we bought a new $36,000 service truck( a Ford F700)with all the bells and whistles- - -air compressor,hydraulic boom, generator etc- - - -we enjoyed such high revenue from all this tire business (usually well over $200,000 every MONTH)......we leased the F700 to Long's for a mere ONE DOLLAR A YEAR !!!!!!!!! This is $ucce$$ and this $ucce$$ arrived in Miles City because Miles City has a GREAT MANY very very wonderful industrious people here !!!!!!!
Here in little Miles City in 1953 when my mom and dad reopened the Beacon after the 1952 fire........that Opening Day cut a W O R L D R E C O R D in gasoline and fuel sales- - - a WORLD RECORD !!!!!
Twelve years later when "Ship and Mary" opened in May Interstate Enco (now the Town Pump).......they BROKE THEIR OWN W O R L D R E C O R D !!!!!!! ****The mayor of Miles City made the front page of the Star gassing up his car and........HIS...lawnmower *****
Doc Balsam of Northern Tank Line redirected eight (8) of his petroleum transports that day through Miles City just to enhance the total WORLD RECORD fuel sales of the Opening of Shipley's Interstate Enco !!!!!!!
These are highlights and points of why Miles City is such a great- - - -GREAT- - - place to live.
From that enterprise which employed over 40 people for over 40 years came substantial success........none of which should ever be marred by the likes of California transplant little joey pauper whalen. He can take all his lawlessness and penchant to corrupt and stick it all you know where; that way,you see, he will always know where it is. I LOVE MILES CITY !!!!!!! It is my home.........and I can buy and sell joe whalen!!!!
Why would anyone with any real intelligence ever think I would ever lay down and play dead for the likes of a screwup like joe whalen?
Duh?
If your curiosity drives you to ever do your citizen's duty.....you are privileged to read the Public Record at both City Hall and the County Courthouse of all that pauper joey has ILLEGALLY tried to foist off on me.........ok?
I as born here. I realize full well that my parents being tasked to spend $65 at the old Holy Rosary Hospital for my birth was perhaps a waste in your opinion on May 16th 1947. Think whatever you wish. My opinion of little joey pauper was that he slithered out from under some hot rock in the Mohave desert of Californa.......unannounced and surely UNLICENSED !!!!!!!
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Richard Bonine : Sir, I disagree with you. Our mayor nor anyone else's mayors should not be accorded "slack" for willingly and knowingly breaking the law. Period. The mayor has to be accountable to each of us in Miles City, and, for certain Judges Dukart and Day as well as Governor Schweitzer. He has committed perjury into each of the judge's courts against me, and, LIED on his application to the State of Montana to become appointed to the DEQ Commission last January.
His lies are of the same basis as Robert Eddy's drinking- - - neither could help themselves. Robert Eddy suffered grave physiological discrepancies and alcohol soothed the flames of the fire of life for him...much much to an excess. That was all sad....just sad.
pauper joey lies because he is most assuredly a pathelogical liar......he has done it his whole loser life and now....at this late juncture cannot help himself.
Cleptomaniacs steal because they cannot help themselves. They need their *fix*.
My *fix* is that I enjoy.....truly enjoy the $ucce$$ and complete operation of St. Vincent's de Paul......Linda Fisher before and Charlie Carranco(sp?) now.

****** In I believe 2007 Linda Love told me St. V's donated $77,000 to charity in Miles City.....from profits......that's over $6,000 a month or $200 each and every day!!!!! Yet another PROOF of why the GOOD or GREAT people of Miles City do not need a California pauper at the helm of city government********

Linda Fisher was a year ahead of me at Custer. We have been friends for 45+ years and her $uccee$ there was phenomenal. Charlie's family has been for 40+ years also in well standing with mine. Tom Carranco worked at Interstate Enco back in the 60s before he went to complete a most honorable career in the Montana Highway Patrol.

pauper joey's *fix* is that he loves trying to get away with s***.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Smiley" Once more. Your sad advice about you thinking I ought to just "get over it" or "deal with it"......sadly so...."like most of us"......is basically despicable. It *is* because none of you ever ever ever stand up against the TYRANNY and DESPOTISM of the likes of pauper joey that we have nonperformers just like him laced all over and through government at every level. City Water departmeent persons are good people. There is no PRACTICAL way anyone could ever compare joey with Linda Wildman's direct professionalism..........nor Bille Burkhalter's pleasant manner........nor Sandy Kuchynka's pleasant business ways.....nor the
similar business appropriateness of Jennifer Boschee or a whole raft of good men and women who work for the City of Miles City. Now retired Jerry Kaiser would be a TWELVE TIMES better mayor than pauper joey..........because he has never had to lie in his life.....because if anyone didn't ever believe him.......whenever he told them a windy story..........he could beat the stuffing out of them.

pauper joey couldn't whip his way out of a wet paper sack.

******Be advised also,Lady, I do not do or act or defend as I do solely for myself...........I am 21.....I can handle just about anything life sends my way........I also fight government sloth and judicial tyranny and oppression for each of you.....just like Patrick Henry......."....give me liberty or give me death."
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14664) 11 years ago
Rob:

Feel free to disagree if you like...

My initial understanding was that he had an expired MT license, expired plates, and no proof of insurance. Since then, it was pointed out that he never had a MT license and the expired license was from out of state. For me, that raises additional questions about who this guy really is and if he is trying to hide anything. It seems a little odd that you would become a part of a community and not get new drivers license. There is no law that says you must have a drivers license, unless you are going to drive. Frankly, his reasoning for no having a MT drivers license is no one else's business as long as he has a clean record.

Joe has stated that he will plead guilty and will make complete restitution. That is good enough for me.

When I said we should cut him some slack I had a couple of thoughts in mind:

- I have learned the hard way that jumping to conclusions based on what is printed in the newspaper or posted on the internet, should be taken with a truckload of salt. No reason to rush to judgement until the charges are presented in court.

-As long as the mayor doesn't have a criminal background he is trying to hide (I have absolutely no reason to believe he does) the charges against him do not rise to the level of needing to resign. I believe that he has been a very effective administrator. I believe he genuinely cares about Miles City and is trying to appropriate the available resources in an equitable manner. I believe he has demonstrated a maturity in leading MC that others have lacked.

Frankly sir, your constant berating of local government and your refusal to cooperate with local government in an attempt to do what is necessary to change the culture of MC, so that it can grow economically, makes the job of the mayor much more difficult. You might consider becoming part of the solution, rather than part of the problem.

I stand by my original statement: unless the facts presented in a court of law reveal new information we should cut the mayor some slack.
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Posted by Bridgier (+8962) 11 years ago
Make it stop. Please, please, make it stop.
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Richard: But he PREMEDITATED a way to BREAK the law!!!! He did not just *accidently* not renew his Driver License.....he has NEVER had a Montana DL and has to!!!
His application to the Governor of Montana is an ILLEGAL FRAUDULENT document..........period............he LIES to any and all people he can.......for as long as he can get away with it. Period.
Lying is his modus operundi.

His going after me TWO TIMES.........is all B S.

It was all ilegally executed in the first instance and was put to rest with a L A W F U L acquittal in a Court of Record.........from honorable City Judge Dukart.


But.....it was pauper joey BY HIMSELF who directed the Miles City Police to once again try and prosecute me for a crime I never did commit and did put to end with a legal acquittal!!!!!!

joey did this.....all by his LYING little self.

Like the FOOL that he is..........he still believes that his relating to the MCPD he had received "anonymous" telephone calls about me being a public nuisance......is all within the legal confines and parameters of the Rules of Evidence of the Montana Code Annotated..........and it is NOT !!!!!

There has never been a one.....not ever a SINGLE SOLITARY Miles City person come forward and ever SIGN an official COMPLAINT that my residence has ever caused them to suffer any R E A L injury as per the law. NOT A SINGLE ONE......yet pauper joey......knowing he is well ABOVE the law.......had to puke up all this crap.

Miles City nor Missoula nor Butte nor Terry cops can ever just walk onto your property and take photographs to PERSECUTE you with.....at their leisure.......just because they're cops.........without following the EXACT steps of the Due Process of the Law- - - - - which DEMAND first the obtaining from a judge a REAL SEARCH WARRANT due to the possible and provable probable cause.

This is chiseled in granite !!!!!! They cannot do it!!!!!!

Yet, against me, and against Bruce Ingraham, pauper joey thought myself and Mr. Ingraham had to take his brand of California hippe B S........and neither of us has to or will.

He is a fool and he broke the laws......many many many many times and needs to go on down the trail.

Ship
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Posted by Patti Hughes (+90) 11 years ago
Totally agree with you on all you say Rob!!
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16561) 11 years ago
Eventually God will punish you for this, Larry.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6169) 11 years ago
It seems to me that one can do most things without a driver's license if one has a state ID or a valid passport. But who wants to carry his passport around all the time? I guess it must be easier living in a small town. Here in the big city I have to show someone my driver's license 2 or 3 times a week.

Larry, I agree with Gunnar. You will probably rot in hell for this.
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Posted by Julie (+412) 11 years ago
I stand behind you Rob. Please know that many people here in Miles City feel the same as you do. Miles City needs you!
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14664) 11 years ago
But he PREMEDITATED a way to BREAK the law!!!! He did not just *accidently* not renew his Driver License.....he has NEVER had a Montana DL and has to!!!


You only NEED a drivers license if you are going to drive. He got caught without one and will pay the price.

As to the rest of your allegations, I am sure there are two sides to the story. Maybe you have been "wronged", I don't have enough information to know one way or the other. MC.com is NOT the place to try the case.

What I do know for certain is that if life were fair, horses would ride half the time.

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr (12/7/2009)]
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+456) 11 years ago
Julie: Thank you again. I see here where a couple of the "regulars" are trying to strike a nerve with the websmaster ( I don't even know him- - -Larry?). That is OK.....if they can't handle TRUTH and lots of it..........like in a sworn LEGAL oath......"...to solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God".......then it is not our problem.

* * * joey pauper got here by completely exercising ways.....(plural meaning many)...to circumvent the WHOLE TRUTH......and that is why.....fate....itself has now given us all this miracle that he just fell on his sword.

Ship
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14664) 11 years ago
I see here where a couple of the "regulars" are trying to strike a nerve with the websmaster ( I don't even know him- - -Larry?). That is OK.....if they can't handle TRUTH and lots of it..........like in a sworn LEGAL oath......"...to solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God".......then it is not our problem.


I can handle the truth. I am not sure we have heard the truth, though. It's pretty obvious you have an axe to grind. ( and frankly you have nearly gone through the metal and are at the handle.)
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Posted by JCF (+397) 11 years ago
You know how Ship always claims he never pays any taxes, and he never did anything wrong, and he was acquited of the charge of threatening an IRS agent. Well, he is TECHNICALLY correct, but reading the June 13, 2008 Billings Gazetter article, one gets a little different perspective on why the Court "acquitted" him. Its worth the time to read. Bold is added by me.

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A federal judge has acquitted a Miles City man accused of threatening an Internal Revenue Service employee in an e-mail to a tax firm he had hired to resolve an inheritance tax dispute.

Robert Shipley, 61, buried his face in his hands as Chief U.S. District Judge Richard Cebull ruled late Wednesday afternoon that he was not guilty of threatening communication. Shipley was the last witness in the three-day bench trial and gave emotional testimony. He had been incarcerated since his arrest more than 10 months ago.

Shipley admitted that he wrote and sent an e-mail last June to employees at Quantum Financial Solutions in Colorado in which he complained about Quantum's handling of his case and threatened to get a baseball bat or club and beat in the head of the IRS officer assigned to the matter.

But he never intended to communicate a threat or to harm the officer and was ashamed of the language he used, Shipley said. In the e-mail, he referred to Sandra Welch, the IRS officer, as "superbitch Welch."

"I was a mess," Shipley said. "I was angry."

Shipley also said he had no idea his e-mail would be disclosed to the IRS.

Cebull acquitted Shipley shortly after his testimony and without hearing closing arguments from defense attorney Robert Stephens or Assistant U.S. Attorney Marcia Hurd.

Cebull said there was reasonable doubt whether Shipley specifically intended to communicate a threat to the IRS officer. The judge also found that Shipley was suffering from a diminished mental capacity at the time of the incident.

Cebull reminded Shipley of his obligation to pay taxes "whether you like it or not."

"Do you understand?" Cebull asked.

"Yes sir, I do," Shipley replied.


"The defendant is free to go," Cebull said.

Shipley had been incarcerated since Aug. 2, 2007, when he was arrested on the indictment. If convicted, Shipley had faced a maximum of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

Shipley's tax problem stemmed from an inheritance received in the late 1990s. Trying to resolve it became an obsession for Shipley, who offended everyone in the IRS he dealt with on the matter, said Stephens. The dispute eventually ensnared two of Shipley's business associates with whom he jointly owned property that became the target of an IRS lien.

Shipley further complicated the matter with his belief that the government's taxing authority was unconstitutional and that the IRS was acting fraudulently, Stephens said.

Shipley became emotional on the stand, saying he never meant to hurt his longtime business partners and friends who tried to help him.

The tax problem consumed him and he got angry and depressed, he said.

Shipley said he refused to sign a batch of tax returns that had been figured by a Miles City accountant because of a dispute over the amount.

Shipley, according to Hurd, was responsible for the problems because he had not filed tax returns since about 1998 and the IRS had to estimate the amount of taxes due. Shipley rejected the advice of both the Miles City accountant and of Quantum to file his returns as a step to solving the dispute, she said.

Government witnesses said Shipley had been warned by a Treasury Department agent in 2005 against making threatening statements to the IRS. The agent referred his investigation to the U.S. Attorney's Office, which declined to prosecute the case.

Welch, the IRS officer, testified that she got a call last June from a Quantum employee who told her he was concerned for her safety and sent her a copy of Shipley's e-mail, she said.

"Needless to say, I have a loaded .45 on my night stand now," Welch said.

Under questioning by Hurd, Shipley admitted he espoused views that he didn't have to pay taxes and that he typed "American Patriot" under his name. But he denied joining any tax protest group.

"Absolutely not, and I never would," he said.

Earlier this year, Shipley filed his tax returns and resolved his case with the IRS.
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Posted by JCF (+397) 11 years ago
I wonder if it was Ship's reading of the Holy Bible that taught him how to threaten to smash in the head of an IRS agent, or to call her a "superbitch." What would Jesus do, Right?
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2736) 11 years ago
From the article:

"I was a mess," Shipley said. "I was angry."


My question: Why the past tense?

I do not like dealing with private matters in public. But, as with my recent posts about my Vitamin D deficiency, sometimes the scale tips in favor of doing exactly that.

Therefore, here is an email exchange that Rob initiated with me today. The email addresses have been redacted, but the profanity has not. It is what it is... Just be forewarned. (NOTE: Hahaha - the mc.com program changes profanity to less profane words - e.g., sh** to poop. I haven't reread the text yet, but this could be VERY funny. Just know that where there is a cute little term, the original text from Rob to me was about as raw as it gets. ~ Steve)

Steve


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From: Rob Shipley <ship>
To: Steve Craddock <stevebob>
Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 10:59:47 AM
Subject: Tough poop

Sorry to have recently reoffended you,Sir. Such is life. Deal with it. OK?

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From: stevebob
To: Rob Shipley
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tough poop


Rob,

I'm not sure why you think you offended me. You cannot offend me because I am convinced you suffer a mental illness caused by a traumatic injury to your brain from your auto/truck accident years ago. I understand your good friends, of whom you have many, have encouraged you to get help and treatment at different times over the years, but you have always refused. That's unfortunate, but it's your decision and I respect it. I just think it's sad that you don't realize that when you post your tirades on milescity.com, you damage your own standing in this community more than you harm the reputation of those you rail against.

I hope you have a Merry Christmas.

~ Steve

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From: Rob Shipley <ship>
To: stevebob
Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 11:55:45 PM
Subject: Re: Tough poop


Steve,huh? Hmmmmmm. Well I don't know you and do not ever care to. It is a complete waste of time....and I mean a COMPLETE waste of time to try and explain anything.............ONE SINGLE THING to 95% of you mental midgets on milescity.com..................COMPLETE like in NOT POSSIBLE.

First and foremost..........I could not ever give a procreate if I offended you.............we are not friends..........and therefore.......your procreateed up opinion of me is useless, absolutely useless...............no one gives a procreate about you.....nor me.............so, no one cares what you think or like...........and me neither for that case.

Why even mention it?

I don't give a procreate what you think you know about the head-on collision 40 years ago...............and no one else does either. I am tremendously smarter than you..........a procreateuva lot tougher than you........plus, I can buy and sell your useless dumb ass...................so? Just procreate off and die......that would please be greatly..........

I know you will never ever....like in 10,000 years ever be man enough to meet me and introduce yourself.............because you are probably a pelican. So, then, just leave me the procreate alone,ok?

None of my good friends you even know..........so just shut the procreate up.

"tirades" is your pelicanheaded opinion..................but ofcourse you do not ever know that..............ALOT of people.............who NEVER log on to .com..............because it is so very very very procreateing dumb.............thank me from time to time............for a great many things I stand up for.............and for what I think and know and do.

Let it go...............

Get this straight...............I cannot,absolutely CANNOT *damage* my standing in the procreateed community with anything in .com...............not physically possible here on the small planet.

Where did you get the idea...........(you were probably spoon fed it).............that miles city.com was ever important for any reason?

Has your cheese slid off your cracker? No people of ANY intelligence whatsoever think anything of Miles City.com other than it is a piece of poop.................where the procreate have you been?

You most assuredly don't even live here anyway.....................

My mental illness that you pride yourself with knowing all about is sufficiently a great deal more worthwhile in EVERY facet of any human existence than your whole useless dope-ridden totally procreateed up body.....................so just leave me alone and do not ever ever ever email me another of your SICK threats ever again..................

I retract my offhanded previous apology...............please procreate off and die with your idiot opinions of me.

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From: Rob Shipley <ship>
To: Steve Craddock <stevebob>
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 8:15:04 AM
Subject: Re: Tough poop


Rob,

Thank you for writing. Apparently what I said upset you. I didn't mean to do that. I simply applied to you the same principle I always apply to communication - Honesty. An honest opinion is all you're ever gonna get from me.

I apologize if I stated my opinion so abruptly that it offended your sensibilities or hurt your feelings. But you seem like a straight-talker and so I cut thru the BS and got to the meat of the matter because I thought that was what you would prefer.

I only used the word "tirade" because you use a lot of capitals and exclamation points when you write. That signifies heated emotions, which in turn are usually associated with tirades. It was an easy mistake, and it would probably be a good idea to use less capitals and exclamation points in your writing if you don't want others to make the same mistake.

Bottom line: I will take your advice and "let it go." I hope you can do the same because, as I said, I never intended to offend or hurt you.

~ Steve


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From: Rob Shipley <ship>
To: stevebob
Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 11:55:45 PM
Subject: Re: Tough poop

Steve,huh? Hmmmmmm. Well I don't know you and do not ever care to. It is a complete waste of time....and I mean a COMPLETE waste of time to try and explain anything.............ONE SINGLE THING to 95% of you mental midgets on milescity.com..................COMPLETE like in NOT POSSIBLE.

First and foremost..........I could not ever give a procreate if I offended you.............we are not friends..........and therefore.......your procreateed up opinion of me is useless, absolutely useless...............no one gives a procreate about you.....nor me.............so, no one cares what you think or like...........and me neither for that case.

Why even mention it?

I don't give a procreate what you think you know about the head-on collision 40 years ago...............and no one else does either. I am tremendously smarter than you..........a procreateuva lot tougher than you........plus, I can buy and sell your useless dumb ass...................so? Just procreate off and die......that would please be greatly..........

I know you will never ever....like in 10,000 years ever be man enough to meet me and introduce yourself.............because you are probably a pelican. So, then, just leave me the procreate alone,ok?

None of my good friends you even know..........so just shut the procreate up.

"tirades" is your pelicanheaded opinion..................but ofcourse you do not ever know that..............ALOT of people.............who NEVER log on to .com..............because it is so very very very procreateing dumb.............thank me from time to time............for a great many things I stand up for.............and for what I think and know and do.

Let it go...............

Get this straight...............I cannot,absolutely CANNOT *damage* my standing in the procreateed comm
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2736) 11 years ago
Question for Patti Hughes:

Earlier today, somewhere in the midst of all of Rob's rantings, you stated that you "agree with EVERYTHING" (emphasis mine) that Rob says.

Well, I ask you to read everything he wrote above and tell me, please, if you still want to make that statement.

And don't worry - it's no big deal. It's only your credibility that's on the line...
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Posted by Jennifer Johnsgard (+33) 11 years ago
So I googled "pathelogical" and it suggested another word - pathological - whatever that means. Brian - your idea for Mayors Joe's consequences was great! And Ben - I think Larry should charge for this site. I havent laughed this hard in ages! WOW!
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Posted by Cory Cutting (+1277) 11 years ago
I love:

"pelicanheaded"

and I am totally using the phrase:

"Has your cheese slid off the cracker man?"


Oh, then in the other post, which I read afte leaving this....

"You write now as if you too have not seen the ball since the kickoff."

[This message has been edited by Cory Cutting (12/8/2009)]
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Posted by Dan Mowry (+1430) 11 years ago
"You write now as if you too have not seen the ball since the kickoff."


Or, maybe it was another way around? It makes these threads make a little more sense, if so.

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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster (+9978) 11 years ago
"Pelicanheaded" wasn't in the original post. When rendering for public display, the site automatically filters certain words.

- The four letter C-word is replaced with "pelican".

- The four letter F-word is replaced with "procreate".

- The four letter S-word is replaced with "poop".

Etc.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6169) 11 years ago
Although he didn't attack me directly, Rob's emails are very similar to the ones he sent me earlier in the year. I asked him to cut out the obscenity but he continued to send me obscenity-laced emails. So I blocked his email address. Very simple to do.
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Posted by Patti Hughes (+90) 11 years ago
my credibility? You dont know me then...
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Posted by David Schott (+16446) 11 years ago
Patti Hughes wrote:
Totally agree with you on all you say Rob!!

Patti, it appears to me that Shipley blames every Native American for the murder of Marty Etchemendy. That strikes me as a racist remark. Do you agree with him on that?

Patti, Shipley also delighted in telling this joke that disparages Muslims:

http://milescity.com/foru...146#121571

Do you agree with and share Rob's apparent Islamaphobia? Do you love "hate speech"?

- Dave
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14664) 11 years ago
"Pelicanheaded" wasn't in the original post. When rendering for public display, the site automatically filters certain words.


Given the randomness of Mr. Shipley's posting, complete with periods and spaces, that must be some incredible chunk of code you have as a filter.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+16561) 11 years ago
"Ask not what your pelicanry can do for you, ask what you can do for your pelicanry" - JFK

Just wanted to try out the pelican filter....

[This message has been edited by Gunnar Emilsson (12/8/2009)]
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Posted by Cory Cutting (+1277) 11 years ago
Wouldn't we have all gotten a shocker if it hadn't worked?

And I'm still using the phrase.... it's too rich to pass up.


MY GOD MAN, HAS YOUR CHEESE SLID OFF THE CRACKER?!
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1909) 11 years ago


Hey! It works it also works for images!
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Posted by Hal Neumann (+9716) 11 years ago
We're doing pelicans again??

http://milescity.com/foru...=all#88132
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1909) 11 years ago
Hal. In this context, a pelican eating a pigeon...never mind.
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Posted by Erin Cole (+25) 11 years ago
I haven't used my MC.com account in years, but I could not help myself from signing in and commenting upon this thread.

If one reads it with a plate of food in hand, it is truly dinner and a show. This show is marked by humor, tragedy, fantasy, grace, ill-manners, triumph and melancholy.

Bravo to each actor and to the over-used elipses. May you rise again for Act II, or perhaps we had best let the curtain fall.
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Posted by Patti Hughes (+90) 11 years ago
What does Native Americans and Muslims have to do with this post? I am not a racist, I hate everyone equally. Deb,Gina, Crystal there you go.
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