A way to honor the office of the President
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2743) 12 years ago
It is clear that the vast majority of people think that Mr. Regan's decision to restrict access to the President's Speech to America's Students was wrong. It was WRONG for students, WRONG for the vast majority of parents, and WRONG for the reputation of our community. In short, Mr. Regan was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

There has been plenty of civil discussion on milescity.com. There was significant participation by concerned citizens at the school board meeting, and the local newspaper has printed an editorial and at least two letters to the editor. I've seen very little written and heard even less in defense of that decision.

Yet the public's questions and concerns have gone unanswered and have even been ignored by those who hold the public trust's in educating our children and administering our schools.

Mr. Regan has yet to publicly explain his reason(s) for severely restricting student access to the President's speech. He remained largely if not completely silent on the issue at Tuesday night's school board meeting and he has not yet officially released the memo that prohibited / discouraged teachers from showing the speech.

There is also concern about the manner in which this wrong decision was executed. By releasing his directive late on Friday before a 3-day weekend, Mr. Regan left no time for other school administrators, teachers, school board members, or the public to urge him to do the right thing. By the time anyone really knew about it, any chance of effectively altering the decision had passed.

The school board members who expressed ardent support for Mr. Regan's decision have yet to publicly explain the rationale for their support. In democracy, an elected official's practice of informing the public about his/her position is called accountability. If the school board members are confident that there were sound reasons to deny students a RARE opportunity to participate in a national event, then they should be eager to make those reasons known to the public - in their own words.

To those who would respond that this is just a minor issue that is now water under the bridge, I would remind them that the Miles City Star ran a very thoughtful editorial on the matter expressing the opinion that the decision led to a "missed opportunity" for Custer County students. The Star isn't known for publishing editorials on "minor issues." We are talking about the future generation here, as well as the reputation of our community on the state and national stage.

I sincerely hope that Mr. Regan and the School Board will act very quickly to correct the situation by making the President's speech available very soon to all students who want to watch it and discuss it in a meaningful way with their peers - at school. By doing so, they will rectify a very big mistake and show that even school superintendents and school board members can learn something new.

After all, I've heard it said that education is a lifelong process. And I've also heard it shouted out for many years that the Office of the President deserves respect, even if you don't agree with everything the President does.

Those two principles alone make showing the speech the RIGHT thing to do. Now is the time to make it RIGHT.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 12 years ago
Wonderfully written and beautifully said!!!
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 12 years ago
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 12 years ago
Some random thoughts/questions:

-Nice Rant.

-Wonder if you will feel the same way when the state testing scores of MC kids are higher than those who took time out from teaching and learning to watch the speech.

-Were there logistical issues such as lack of TV's and cable in classrooms, insufficient streaming bandwidth that made it impractical/impossible to show the speech to the students.

-Were there other activities, such as testing, that were scheduled prior to the President making the request to for time to speak? With a short week to begin with, rescheduling is sometimes a real hassle. As a school administrator, if your school didn't make AYP last year, you are going to be more concerned about conducting appropriate testing to help students receive proper instruction. Given the domino affect of rescheduling and staffing requirements, the time request by the POTUS may have created logistical issues and the most efficient thing to do was not show the speech.

-Was the decision as to whether the kids could watch the POTUS ever presented to the school board prior to the event or where they put in the position of supporting a decision made solely but Mr. Regan?

-Is there anything keeping kids or parents who were denied seeing the speech from looking it up on YouTube and watching it on their own time?

-Is the speech less inspirational if you watch it in your home rather than in a classroom?

-What would Mr. Letke have done in this situation?

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr (9/13/2009)]
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
Mr. Nuance -

All of your words - whether they're technically correct or just your usual steaming pile - don't change the fact that Mr. Regan caved in to the noisy few. Instead of finding "middle ground" and avoiding controversy, he created it. Your post is horse crap and you know it, Richard.
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Posted by tax payer (+344) 12 years ago
Steve, I am sure the parents that wanted their children to watch the speech have done so already. Why keep stirring the pot? Shouldn't you be writing grants or something?
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2743) 12 years ago
Answers/Responses to Richard's random thoughts/questions:
Smiley faces denote my responses. It was easier than doing a bunch of [1]italics[/i].

-Nice Rant.
Actually Richard, the only rant I've read or heard on this matter has come from opponents.

-Wonder if you will feel the same way when the state testing scores of MC kids are higher than those who took time out from teaching and learning to watch the speech.
Do you really think that will happen Richard? If so, Brian's response is actually more appropriate than anything I can say.

-Were there logistical issues such as lack of TV's and cable in classrooms, insufficient streaming bandwidth that made it impractical/impossible to show the speech to the students.
I attended school back in the dark ages and we still managed to have assemblies for national events like the Moon landing and other national events. If teachers and principals could figure it out 40 years ago, I'm sure they can figure it out today. Let's trust them on that.

-Were there other activities, such as testing, that were scheduled prior to the President making the request to for time to speak? With a short week to begin with, rescheduling is sometimes a real hassle. As a school administrator, if your school didn't make AYP last year, you are going to be more concerned about conducting appropriate testing to help students receive proper instruction. Given the domino affect of rescheduling and staffing requirements, the time request by the POTUS may have created logistical issues and the most efficient thing to do was not show the speech.
I guess you really must thing education in Miles City is much more challenging than anywhere else in the USofA, and that every second counts when it comes to "making" AYP. There's more to education than books.

-Was the decision as to whether the kids could watch the POTUS ever presented to the school board prior to the event or where they put in the position of supporting a decision made solely but Mr. Regan?
No, it wasn't. I guess you didn't bother to read the initial post in this thread nor several of the posts on the original thread prior to speaking out on this issue. Why bother informing and educating yourself prior to declaring yourself an expert and taking action, right? I have to ask: Is "Ready, Fire! Aim" the correct sequence of events in your book? If so, I know of a few other idiots you will enjoy spending time with.

-Is there anything keeping kids or parents who were denied seeing the speech from looking it up on YouTube and watching it on their own time?
Mr. Bonine - It now appears that you are just being intentionally dense. Several points have been made about why the President's speech should have been shown in school. 1. Not every child has the kind of parents who would watch this. 2. Many of those children are the ones most in need of encouragement - which is what the President's message was really all about! duh!!! 3. Mr. Regan took away the choice of the majority of parents who wanted their children to see this message and have the opportunity to discuss it with their peers in a school setting - it's about being a part of something bigger than Miles City or Custer County. I have to wonder - why can't you see that "bigger" part?

-Is the speech less inspirational if you watch it in your home rather than in a classroom?
You really are being dense and missing the point, Richard. Sometimes you vex me to the point of .... Arg! Please see above response.

-What would Mr. Letke have done in this situation?
Why should that matter? Parents, taxpayers, and the local press have all spoken in favor of showing it and agree that our school kids and our community missed an opportunity. There is still time to correct the wrong decision, with very little effort. My guess is Mr. Letke would have said "do it."
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
Steve,

Have you ever heard the expression, "Let the Wookiee win?"
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 12 years ago
I don't think this should be swept under the rug (so to speak)...I agree that Mr. Regan needs to be confronted and he needs to provide an explanation of all this mess...Keep pouring it on Steve, I support ya totally...Enough noise and maybe Mr. Regan can explain why he is supporting this obvious attempt to inject politics into the school system...It wasn't political until he acted IMO as most modern presidents have addressed school systems, so to disallow Obama either because Mr. Regan is a racist or because he is so deeply involved in the conservative movement is ridiculous...
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 12 years ago
I object to the cowardly and underhanded way this issue was handled. Sneak out the notice late Friday afternoon and head for home in order to insure that NO discussion was permitted. Trying to avoid controversy by caving in to one side without giving the other side any chance to express their opinion is not the way things should be done in a free country.

Keep pushing until someone admits WHY this was done in such an appalling manner.
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Posted by tax payer (+344) 12 years ago
Amorette, why don't you have a face to face meeting with him and ask him?
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 12 years ago
Mr. Regan is the public figure and has the duty to report to the taxpayers his reason for his decision...Nothing less will satisfy this as we pay his salary...to hide and remain quiet is cowardly...
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 12 years ago
Wow. At least you are all get some exercise jumping to conclusions.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 12 years ago
Since I would imagine that most of us are reaching our conclusions thru actions/non-actions performed by Mr. Regan and the school board, I would say that you are the one jumping to conclusions...Be careful there kiddo...You might start getting sore from all that jumping...

[This message has been edited by howdy (9/13/2009)]
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Posted by Heath H (+641) 12 years ago
That's right,

howdy.

Hold them thar public figures accountable for their bread.

After, you pay his salary. You ahve every right to hold your public officials accountable.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2743) 12 years ago
I was as ready as anyone to let the President's speech issue fade away and move the conversation back to more pressing things. BUT, then I came upon these articles today.

http://www.mcclatchydc.co...75271.html
http://www2.timesdispatch...01/291527/

It's significant that school boards and administrators in Texas and Virginia admitted they made a mistake and have now done the right thing. Their act of taking responsibility to correct a wrong decision sets a good example and becomes a powerful learning experience for students.

Is that too much to ask of our school board and superintendent here in Miles City?

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Here are the articles from Texas and Virginia for those who don't like to jump to other websites:

Texas school district apologizes for snubbing Obama speech
by Eva-Marie Ayala | Fort Worth Star-Telegram

ARLINGTON, Texas - Arlington Superintendent Jerry McCullough issued a statement Friday apologizing for how the district handled President Obama's live speech on Tuesday.

The decision not to show the speech live to school children became particularly controversial after it became known that the district had previous plans to bus about 500 fifth-graders to attend an event with former President George W. Bush. The event, which is scheduled later this month at the new Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, will be an announcement about a volunteer initiative for the 2011 Super Bowl.

"In retrospect, I can see how the district's decisions concerning these two events could be seen as favoring one event over another," McCullough said in his written statement. He later said, "I apologize that my decisions on behalf of the district have disappointed or hurt people."

The district allowed students to miss half a day of school on Tuesday if they wanted to watch the event live elsewhere and recorded the speech for later use. McCullough noted that he is encouraging teachers to use Obama's speech in their classrooms when and how they deem appropriate.

Obama's speech caused controversy when some parents and political pundits were upset and worried that Obama would push his agenda onto America's youth. Some other Texas school districts, including Aledo, Grapevine-Colleyville and Eagle Mountain-Saginaw, also decided not to show the speech live.

Arlington officials had said they opted not to show the speech live so as not to interrupt the planned school day. An Arlington church showed the event live and drew about 100 parents and students.


Hanover schools will now show Obama speech, superintendent says
By Holly Prestidge | Richmond Times Dispatch

Hanover County School Superintendent Stewart D. Roberson says his school division's goal now is to show President Obama's speech to as many students as possible.

He said tonight that principals will be meeting to determine when that showing will take place.

"We have always intended for the message to be played," he said at tonight's School Board meeting.

Beginning last week, local school districts got complaints from parents who said they did not want their children to watch the president's speech.

As a result, schools in the counties of Chesterfield, Hanover and Powhatan and the cities of Colonial Heights and Petersburg did not show the speech. Henrico County required teachers to get permission from every parent.

A group of about 30 people showed up at the Hanover School Board office around noon today to complain that the division made a mistake in deciding not to show the president's speech.

Obama spoke live via broadcast from a Northern Virginia high school on the first day of school.

About 10 people also showed up at tonight's School Board meeting to protest the decision.

At tonight's meeting, Ashland resident Barbara Olin said the board should not be swayed by a small number of people.

"If you will listen to a small faction" on this issue, she said, "will you also listen to that faction . . . when it comes to numerous issues?"

Roberson said tonight that school officials got more than a thousand calls and e-mails from parents on both sides of the issue.

He said Obama's speech was "entirely appropriate" and that the division's goal now is to have as many students see the speech as possible.

"I don't believe that anyone (on the board) is pleased at all with where we felt we needed to land" on this issue, Roberson said.

"We have always intended for the message to be played," he said, adding that the decision not to show it "wasn't about the man or the message."

He said school officials who received the phone calls and e-mails "could not believe what we were receiving," referring to the controversy and tone of complaints.

He said it was clear that if the division didn't create a plan on how and when to show the address, the division would have experienced "distraction and/or disruption" on the first day.


[This message has been edited by Steve Craddock (9/15/2009)]
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
One of our elementary schools decided not to show it because it would disrupt statewide testing that was scheduled during that day. But the school had no problem holding an assembly a few days later, again during testing, in which a local martial arts business hawked its services. Disgusting.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 12 years ago
Steve:

Allow me to take this opportunity to apologize to you for my sarcastic questioning. My point got lost in the my questions. I didn't do a very good job of communicating. Please forgive my cynicism.

While it may appear that I was defending the actions of Mr. Regan and the school board that was not really my intention. My point was about jumping to conclusions without the other side explaining their point of view. I have served on boards where you get put in the position of defending an administrators actions even though you have questions. It is not a fun experience.

I agree that the school board should state their rationale. I agree that Mr. Regan should explain his thinking. In reality, the speech was benign, kind of like a Nancy Reagan Just Say No to Drugs speech. The middle ground here was to show the speech and allow those parents who didn't want their kids to see it to be excused. Unfortunately, we currently live in polarizing times and the lack of trust with regard to political issues obscures objectivity on both sides of the political isle. We need to find a way to mitigate this problem

My wife teaches 4th grade here in Gillette and her school didn't show the speech because they had no access to cable (brand new 13 million dollar school and they are still hooking things up) and they were doing testing. They are having network bandwidth issues. I thought that kind of thing might be occurring elsewhere.

Again, I apologize.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2743) 12 years ago
No apologies necessary Richard. We all come at things from a combination of our past experience and current situations. No harm, no foul.

Just to be clear: I in no way introduced this issue from a partisan perspective. I know I am an ardent Liberal and active Democrat, but I can honestly state that my interest and motivation on this particular issue has nothing to do with my political perspective or interests. I simply believe this was a fantastic large-scale opportunity that was squandered, and it could have been a moving and motivating experience for many students who need encouragement to overcome what may at this time seem to be insurmountable obstacles.

I also do not intend any disrespect for Jack Regan or the School Board members. (Unfortunately, one of those school board members was very disrepectful to the public he supposedly serves. Now there's a man who should be apologizing. He should enroll in ROCKS so Joyce Vera could teach him proper social skills.) But I digress...

School board members, administrators, and teachers have a tough job and I respect their dedication to their jobs and to the community. It appears that Mr. Regan tried to come up with a balanced solution. Several board members backed his decision. But his solution was wrong and the board is wrong. Time isn't going to make their mistake go away. It's still not too late for them to step up and do the right thing. I'm sure teachers at each school have plenty of good ideas on how to do that - if only Mr. Regan would ask them.
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Posted by republican (+25) 12 years ago
I assume with as much as Mr. Obama enjoys hearing himself talk, this was NOT such a RARE opportunity.

As parents, we should be the ones teaching and encouraging our children to stay in school and finish their education. Mr. Obama is NO idol and I don't want my child getting the wrong impression that he is.

This is what the school board is here for, to make decisions for the school, to do what is best for our children. I think this was a fine example of how Mr. Regan does exactly that.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
republican (lower case, name withheld) - Let me ask you this: if President (no quotations needed) Obama's predecessor had been the one addressing the children, would you have had the same qualms? Be honest.

And I'll ask this question again - do you have so little influence over your children that they wouldn't be able to withstand hearing from the President of the United States (no quotations needed)? Do you think of your children no more highly than you would your dog?

If that's the case, then you have a lot more to worry about than who the President happens to be. And besides, whether you like the man or not, President (no quotations needed) Obama is - and will continue to be for at least the next three years - the President of the United States (no quotations needed).

You should probably learn to deal with that, unless you wish to keep your children locked in your basement (lest they learn to think for themselves *GASP!*).

Here's a suggestion - why not let your children see/hear viewpoints which run counter to your own? That way you can tell them why you believe your particular points of view are superior to President (no quotations needed) Obama's. Try informed discussion rather than fear-mongering for once. You might like it. But then again, it might just scare you ...

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Posted by republican (+25) 12 years ago
Just like a liberal to judge another person and not allow them their own opinion. I've come to realize this website has become more of a cult for the mindless, blowhard liberals of Miles City. I am proud to be a reublican and proud of what it stands for AND it is my RIGHT to not have to release my name to you.

If President Bush decided to interrupt my child's studies with a speech then yes, I would have allowed my child to listen to it. However, President Bush was busy running a country and winning a war. Obviously Mr. Obama doesn't see fit to make time to do that with all the jet-setting and vacations he has been taking. Mr. Obama is "fixing" a lot of minor problems and therefore manipulating you mindless liberals into believing he is getting a lot accomplished. He is also spending way too much time trying to fix problems (in his opinion) that don't need fixing such as healthcare and the military.

As for my child...he is more than welcome to think for himself, as he does. I do not raise my child to believe my beliefs but I will not teach him about things and people I do not approve of. Unfortunately, some things he will have to learn in school but for now, thank God, Mr. Regan has kept the name Obama out of his head and his mouth.

Question Mr. Reed: Did you respect the former President the way you do Mr. Obama or are you a bit of a hypocrite here?
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Posted by Bob L. (+5094) 12 years ago
Which war was President Failure winning?
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Posted by republican (+25) 12 years ago
Here's a suggestion - why not let your children see/hear viewpoints which run counter to your own?

Why don't you, Mr. Reed, take your own suggestion upon yourself. I did not bash your liberal ideas, I simply added my own republican ideas to the conversation.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9194) 12 years ago
No one's trying to take your opinion away republican - but just because it's your opinion doesn't make it somehow immune from criticism.
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2743) 12 years ago
republican: Thank you. Finally someone has articulated the reasons for not airing the President's address to students in our schools. I appreciate your effort. However, and this will come as no surprise, I find your reasons and your solution wanting.

Your first entry shows that you have great disdain for Obama. That is your certainly prerogative and right. The problem is, it isn't "Obama" who is making the address. It is the President - and as I heard countless times during the Bush Administration, the President and Commander in Chief of our nation deserves respect, whether you agree with everything he says or not.

I'm not surprised at all to find that someone who harbors such disdain for Obama would find Mr. Regan's decision a fine example of doing what is best for our children. The problem is, a vast majority of parents and taxpayers in Miles City as well as in nearly all other communities around the country disagree with you.

You admit that you would have supported the school district allowing your children to watch a speech by President Bush, but you thank God that Mr. Regan has "kept the name Obama out of his head." Fearmongering, demonizing, and intolerance are truly the worst reasons anyone can put forth for censoring the President's speech, and are the main reasons that the majority of parents and taxpayers are insisting that his speech be shown and discussed in an open context where all views are represented.

If you are truly concerned that your child's perception of President Obama may be altered by such an experience, then something tells me that somewhere deep down you also know that your fears are based on perceptions and beliefs that whither and die when exposed to the light of day.

[This message has been edited by Steve Craddock (9/16/2009)]
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Posted by J. Dyba (+1350) 12 years ago
Did this guy just make reference to Obama's vacation schedule while at the same time lauding the man who spent more time on vacation then any other President in history?

I'll take ways to invalidate my contributions for .50 cents Alex.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
He is also spending way too much time trying to fix problems (in his opinion) that don't need fixing such as healthcare and the military.

Healthcare has been talked to death here so I won't begin again but even the GOP says that reform is needed. But the military? Let me first say that I have the highest respect for those who choose to serve our country by joining the military. My brother is career army and has had several tours in the Middle East in his 20 year career. And although his dedication to the job in beyond question he, himself, is not blind to the problems plaguing our military today. When the horse's mouth complains it's time to listen.

As for my child...he is more than welcome to think for himself, as he does. I do not raise my child to believe my beliefs but I will not teach him about things and people I do not approve of. Unfortunately, some things he will have to learn in school but for now, thank God, Mr. Regan has kept the name Obama out of his head and his mouth.

Question Mr. Reed: Did you respect the former President the way you do Mr. Obama or are you a bit of a hypocrite here?

Here's a suggestion - why not let your children see/hear viewpoints which run counter to your own?


Okay, these comments are from different posts but don't you see a contradiction here, republican? First you say you don't raise your child to believe your beliefs but you won't teach him about things your don't approve of. If you only teach him of what you approve then you ARE raising him to believe your beliefs. Then you chastise Brian by your suggestion to him to let his children hear different viewpoints when by your own statement you don't let your own child do that. Don't you see the contradiction here?
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Posted by Bridgier (+9194) 12 years ago
Dude, brush is hard to clear - I wouldn't call that a vacation....
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+11757) 12 years ago
Dubya was reading to some kids before giving a speech to the nation's children encouraging them to study hard and stay in school on Sept. 11, 2001. Remember the footage of him staring into space as someone whispered in his ear? He WAS going to give a speech. I am sure "Republican" would have been delighted by that speech because it was delivered by a rich white guy whose family has been in the social register for generations.

Being encouraged to stay in school is not political. It is common sense, something we seem to be severely lacking in this country these days.
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Posted by tax payer (+344) 12 years ago
Dubya was reading to some kids before giving a speech to the nation's children encouraging them to study hard and stay in school on Sept. 11, 2001. Remember the footage of him staring into space as someone whispered in his ear? He WAS going to give a speech. I am sure "Republican" would have been delighted by that speech because it was delivered by a rich white guy whose family has been in the social register for generations.

Being encouraged to stay in school is not political. It is common sense, something we seem to be severely lacking in this country these days.

Amorette...that is showing disrespect to past President Bush by calling him Dubya. Also bringing up white guy all the time when talking about anyone that disagrees with President Obama is racist.
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Posted by David Schott (+17053) 12 years ago
Why did "republican" alter the title of this thread and change President to "president"?
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Posted by Steve Craddock (+2743) 12 years ago
Under the title of "what you don't say says tons about you" ---

Did anyone else notice that "republican" mentions Obama several times and sometimes refers to him as "Mr. Obama" - but never once does he/she address him by his title: President Obama.

"republican" - Your unmitigated bias and obvious prejudice (not necessarily racial, but prejudice nonetheless) is coming through in Technicolor. Which makes me believe that your children are among those who would benefit most from seeing a larger slice of the world.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
Steve - you said everything I would have (and much more eloquently than I could have). Kudos.

Question Mr. Reed: Did you respect the former President the way you do Mr. Obama or are you a bit of a hypocrite here?

Your use of the word "hypocrite" is truly laughable, republican (lower case, name withheld). But I'll answer your question.

I have very little respect for President Obama's predecessor. But I have enough respect for my fellow citizens to know that arbitrarily making someone else's choice(s) for them is wrong, and frankly, un-American.

I have never - and will never - claim that my belief in the validity of my own opinions gives me the right to prevent you from having yours. Don't think for a minute that your inability to deal with an conflicting point of view other than to censor it is a shortcoming that I share.

My belief system is durable enough to withstand debate. Is yours? Based on what you've posted here, I would guess not. But feel free to prove me wrong.

republican (lower case, name withheld) - you and your children - ESPECIALLY your children - have my pity. It must be difficult living in a world composed entirely of cowardice, spite and bulls**t.

[This message has been edited by Brian A. Reed (9/17/2009)]
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Posted by Heath H (+641) 12 years ago
Brian A. Reed,

Save your pity for your own children. They are gonna need it.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
...after you molest them?
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Posted by Heath H (+641) 12 years ago
Buck, the thought never crossed my mind. I see, however, that it crossed yours. You can be just as shocking as you like, but I have no interest in molesting anyone. If Brian isn't offended by your remarks concerning his children, I would suggest that he should at least keep them well away from you.
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Posted by Onie (+7) 12 years ago
Mr. Regan is the public figure and has the duty to report to the taxpayers his reason for his decision...Nothing less will satisfy this as we pay his salary...to hide and remain quiet is cowardly...

I agree. Has anyone who pays taxes here ever seen Mr. Regan's annual salary posted publicly? I wonder what it is??
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
Heath - my kids are 5 years and 5 months old. They're both already more mentally astute than yourself and republican (lower case, name withheld). Keep swingin' Ace.
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Posted by Chuck Schott (+1284) 12 years ago
I guess if they missed the school speech they can catch the President on Letterman on Monday night for an hour. And I think after that he's going to be a guest judge on American Idol, with a walk on cameo on 2 1/2 men.
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Posted by logan earley (+109) 12 years ago
Buck has thoughts running through his head of your kids being molested and you still think myself and Heath are the problem? Hmmm...sounds like someone thinks more highly of his dog than his children...
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Posted by Heath H (+641) 12 years ago
In order to understand why Brian A. Reed doesn't care about Buck's idea, you only have to look to Brian A. Reed's source of entertainment and what Brian A. Reed, "loves."

http://www.cricketsoda.com

http://milescity.com/foru...pid=106889
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
Heath, stop being a douche.
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Posted by Heath H (+641) 12 years ago
Oh, ok Buck.
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Posted by Nathan Jessup (+48) 12 years ago
Buck you need to take your own advice
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
Go suck one, Nate.
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Posted by Nathan Jessup (+48) 12 years ago
You sucked them all already
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
Are we talking about teabaggers again?
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
Does it count if the teabag is on his chin?
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Posted by Heath H (+641) 12 years ago
Now this is the Miles City I remember.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
Heath - seek help. Seriously.

If you honestly think that I would harm a child, especially my own - I mean if you're not just deliberately being a douchebag and truly believe that I get some sort of satisfaction out of the thought of a child being molested - why don't you put your money where your mouth is and have the balls to use your full name when you make your innuendo? Otherwise, kindly please STFU.

My children are off-limits to you. If you don't have the decency, at least have the brains (and I know this is asking A LOT) not to cross that line with me.
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Posted by J. Dyba (+1350) 12 years ago
THEMS FIGHTING WORDS HERE ON THE INTERWEBS AR RARG GHARG!!!
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Posted by Heath H (+641) 12 years ago
Brian A. Reed,

I have not disparaged your children and have not crossed any lines you have not crossed prior. Please go back and read the posts. Funny you are telling me your children are off-limits when you were the one who initially brought up my children.

Buck is the person you should be addressing here, Ace.

It's laughable that you, of all people, have the, "stones," to tell anyone that anything is, "off-limits."

You are also getting way off topic, again. Take a look at the subject line of this thread and post something, ANYTHING, relevant.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
Heath - What I had said is that I pity your children because their father is a nitwit. I said nothing about their actual well-being.

What you said is that my children are prey to be molested by their father.

Only a douchebag would fail - whether by choice or abject stupidity - to recognize the difference.
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Posted by republican (+25) 12 years ago
Did anyone else realize Buck can't write a sentence without putting something sexual in it?

And Brian A. Reed - BUCK is the only person who put molestation and your children together. Why are you sticking up for Buck? Only a sick f**k would think like that.

You need to get a life Brian A. Reed.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6014) 12 years ago
You need to get a life Brian A. Reed.

Says the person who thinks so litle of his/her own words that he/she doesn't bother to hold him/herself accountable to them. Why should I care what you think, republican (lower case, name withheld) if you obviously don't?

Get a name before you tell me to get a life.

BUCK is the only person who put molestation and your children together.

Oh really?

http://milescity.com/foru...889#106906

http://milescity.com/foru...988#106909

You're about as bright as Heath.

I wasn't sticking up for Buck. He can handle himself well enough. I simply happen to agree with him that Heath is a douchebag. It's the whole "enemy of my enemy is a friend" thing. Let me know if you need that explained to you. I can talk/type slowly if you like.

[This message has been edited by Brian A. Reed (9/20/2009)]
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Posted by Nathan Jessup (+48) 12 years ago
I think Brian has a new crush. Congrats Heath
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Posted by Heath H (+641) 12 years ago
Brian,

You are paranoid. Even when I followed the last two links you provided, I still don't see the connection to your accusations.

You're losing it, dude.
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Posted by republican (+25) 12 years ago
Brian A. Reed -

You dug your own grave with those links.
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Posted by Steve Z (+998) 12 years ago
I thought this thread was about the controversial speech given by President Obama to schools across the country. Where in that speech was there anything about douche bags or child molesters? When it comes down to it, the speech lacked any real substance and was totally irrelevant to anything considered education. This was certainly not a "rare" opportunity that Miles City children missed out on. The speech is out there for anyone who wishes to watch it. I did and found nothing inspirational about it. As for the recent postings I certainly hope that these are authored by children because the inability to stay on subject and cut to personal attacks on each other are nothing more than playground tactics. Really, grow up. The rest of us don't need to sift through the bs looking for intelligent insight.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
It's hard to find a speech inspirational when you've already decided the speaker is a lying French muslim pirate from Kenya. One hopes that most third-graders hadn't done so.
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Posted by republican (+25) 12 years ago
The French part of that is new to me...
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Posted by Michael E. Moore (+15) 12 years ago
One of our responsibilities as parents is to control what our children are exposed too. I thank people for looking after my kids, if it is in my children's best interest, that being said; I do not want my children exposed to the rantings and ravings of a known Marxist who surrounds himself with known communists! We had one President from Illinois that set the black man free from land owners, now we have one that wants to enslave all of us to the government! Over my dead body! Liberals only want to enslave us all to provide them with comfort! Just look at all the Democrats that didn't pay their taxes in the Obama administration and the Democratic Congressmen who have been convicted of various crimes including the The Congressman who wrote the tax code himself failing to pay taxes owed!! I'm sorry, I was a Democrat for most of my life until the liberals took charge, maybe that is why I detest the liberal agenda so much, but Americans have to wake up and see that socialism and communism mean curtailment of liberty, and lost of freedom! Maybe you want to give up your freedom to have health care, maybe you want to give up your freedom to advance General Electric's "Green House" agenda, maybe you should move to Canada, or Mexico, or England.... just as long as you move!
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Posted by Bridgier (+9194) 12 years ago
Still think this is the future base of the glorious republican revolution Jim?
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Posted by Joe Whalen (+612) 12 years ago
President Obama was delivered into office by an electoral landslide of 349 to 173 and, in doing so, picked up six seats in the Senate, eighteen seats in the House of Representatives and another gubernatorial seat. It was a peaceful transfer of power.

Those still harboring dark fetishes for Ayn Rand get to sit it out for a few years.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
How is it that complete retards can make so much money (or claim to)?
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Posted by Michael E. Moore (+15) 12 years ago
Granted, he got in legally and he is doing everything in accordance of the War Powers Act, just as Bush did, but it doesn't make it right!
Sooner or later one of two things will happen; 1. he will overstep his bounds and violate States rights(which was the real cause of the first Civil War); 2. He will openly circumvent laws to a degree to cause great civil unrest, including violent demonstrations. The truth is, if Bush had done the things Hussein has done, we would all ready have the civil unrest and violence from the left. The right is just much more tolerate than the left.
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 12 years ago
the real cause of the civil war was slavery due to the economic dependency of the southern states on that way of life..nothing more and nothing less..I am a southerner and have been taught that all my life...States rights have nothing to do with it...
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
Complete retard, I was right.
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Posted by Heath H (+641) 12 years ago
How is it that complete retards can make so much money (or claim to)?

Envious, Buck?

[This message has been edited by Heath H (9/22/2009)]
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Posted by howdy (+4943) 12 years ago
More like dubious, Heath...
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Posted by Julie H (+199) 12 years ago
Wow. I can't believe that this conversation is still going on both here and in the paper. Last night's letter to the editor asked what about the parents opinions?

As a parent I support Mr. Regan's decision. I agree with him 100%. If parents wanted their children to see and hear the speech then they had many options to make it available for them at another time other than during school. It should be done on their time and not in school. I have a junior high student. She along with her friends did not want to hear the speech and it meant no disrespect to anyone. It isn't something they felt was right for school.

I never comment on anything political and keep my own opinions to myself. However, I know there are many other parents here in Miles City that support the decision of Mr. Regan. Maybe everyone who is commenting that doesn't have kids should let it go.

I'm sure there will be negative comments about what I have to say and that's fine. I see more and more that nobody is saying anything except for those that disagree with the decision. Believe it or not there are others who are parents that agree with Mr. Regan.

I truly do not feel that kids should be forced to watch something such as this during school. Politics is something they could discuss more with their parents. It has often been said that the content of something is going to be specifically about one thing but it turns out to have another message. Is is possible that Mr. Regan was looking at it from that point of view? I have seen many times this year how things are not presented as they should be or that they are presented one sided. What's to say that this woulndn't happen with the speech?

I feel that the "Mr. Regan Bashing" should stop. He made a decision that he felt was right for "OUR" kids. Let's turn the tables of saying that it was disrespectful to not air the speech -- let's look at what everyone is teaching our kids but bashing the superintendant and school board for a decision that they thought was right. It's telling our kids that it's ok to loudly voice against administrations.

It's fine if you didn't like the decision, but please stop trying to speak for all of the parents and students who agree with the decision of the school. After all, it is the students that were affected -- not everyone else.

As adults you all had the choice to watch or not to watch. What's the difference for our kids? They should have that right also. Nothing else is aired to an entire district why should this be any different? Their right is to watch it if they choose to do so and on their own time.

[This message has been edited by Julie H (9/22/2009)]
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 12 years ago
"It's telling our kids that it's ok to loudly voice against administrations."

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Julie, you've identified the problem perfectly with this statement. Mr. Regan's only public comment as to what thought process he used to make the decision was that he received "many" calls from parents who did not want the speech shown. In order to find a middle ground, he chose not to air the speech. I would say that the model for loudly voicing opinions came from the anti-speech sect from the get-go.

I think, and I can speak only for myself, that what is upsetting is that the decision was made not to air the speech, by Mr. Regan's own words, in an attempt to placate those parents calling and complaining. Is this really the most effective means of administration? What is the lesson being taught? I guess the message is the age-old adage that the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Quite simply, the middle ground would have been to show the speech and offer an option to parents for their children. It is immaterial whether the students wanted to watch the speech. I don't believe the students are given a choice in sitting through any number of other videos educators use in class to accompany a lesson. I know I sure had no desire to watch the cartoonization of the sperm making its merry way to the egg. Did I get a say? No. Why should this be any different?

I think a dangerous precedent has been set. Presidential addresses have been shown to Miles City's school children in the past. I am assuming that from this point forward, this standard will be a thing of the past. I am not necessarily disagreeing with that, as I believe that if it is important to a parent that the child witness an address, as you say, it can be done in the confines of one's home. However, at no point in the future should a presidential address be shown in the schools, regardless of the sitting president. To do so risks the administration looking blatantly biased in one regard or another.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 12 years ago
Oh, and

"It's fine if you didn't like the decision, but please stop trying to speak for all of the parents and students who agree with the decision of the school. After all, it is the students that were affected -- not everyone else."


I'm not positive, but I think this statement very smartly depicts the behavior of the parents who called and complained in the first place. Decide for your own child, and I will decide for mine. That's the nature of parenting.
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
Let's go burn some f*cking books
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Posted by Bridgier (+9194) 12 years ago
I know I sure had no desire to watch the cartoonization of the sperm making its merry way to the egg

Actually, I found this interesting enough to engage in some independent study of the mechanisms involved. Very fascinating.
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Posted by Denise Selk (+1670) 12 years ago
Some "hands-on" study I'm sure Bridgier?

[This message has been edited by Denise Selk (9/22/2009)]
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
C'mon you guys, let's burn some f*cking books!!!

...and some crosses, while we're at it.

[This message has been edited by Buck Showalter (9/22/2009)]
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 12 years ago
Has this horse not been sufficiently beaten?
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1905) 12 years ago
Richard. It is no longer a horse. Oh, there's a little hair here and there, and an occasional tooth, but mostly its a homogeneous pulp with a few stick marks.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
It's not a horse; it's a magic pony fairy.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14950) 12 years ago
Are you sure you don't mean french magic pony fairy?
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Posted by Wendy Wilson (+6165) 12 years ago
from Kenya
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Posted by Buck Showalter (+4461) 12 years ago
Death panels
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