2009 Denver Broncos
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
I think it's going to be a long season. I thought Simms played better than Orton. Simms also seemed to have more of a sense of urgency about him than Orton.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6068) 12 years ago
I'm starting to get worried. Under normal circumstances, disparaging comments directed at the Broncos elicit a response within four minutes from Chuckles.

But ... there's no Chuckles.

Chuck? Where are you, Chuck?
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6068) 12 years ago
Richard wrote:
Grrr.... Time to put in a QB that can through the ball deep.

Do you know who can chuck the ball downfield like no one's business?

Jay Cutler.

Kyle Orton (8 games, 6-2 record): 170-269-1,838-9-4
Jay Cutler (9 games, 4-5 record): 211-338-2,353-14-17

Yep, watching Jay Cutler tonight sure did make me want to see him go back to the Broncos.

[This message has been edited by Brian A. Reed (11/13/2009)]
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3714) 12 years ago
I hate the Bears but holy cow did they get screwed in that trade. The real knife in the guts is the fact that Orton is playing very well in Denver. It would be looking like a good trade for Denver right now even if Chicago hadn't thrown in TWO first round picks and a third rounder. Also, they payed Cutler 30 Million bucks.

Also, Alex Smith still sucks. The 49ers are getting very good on defense and they have some real stars in Gore and Willis. Crabtree sort of looks like he might be the real deal as well but they still fail thanks to their O-line and Quarterback.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
Brian: where in this thread have I said anything about Jay Cutler Yes, I said that we need to put in a QB that can throw the ball deep. He is sitting on the Broncos bench right now.

At least you are burning all of your Mt. Dew calories jumping to conclusion.
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Posted by Matt - Schmitz (+168) 12 years ago
I was at the game in Denver Monday night.
A few observations:
With zero attempts to throw the ball down the field, Denver had no shot to win the game. When the defense only has to defend the line, they will dominate.
Invesco field is a wonderful venue for football. But a very poor venue if you ever have to pee. Especially if you are sitting in the south stands. I guess amenities like bathrooms are not a big concern. After all, they already have your money.
I have forever, and will likely forever continue to hate the Steelers. But the second half that Ben played was quite impressive. TV does not due any justice to the arm that he has. From our end zone seats, one could see the passing lanes, or lack thereof, and yet Ben continued to drill the ball to his recievers hands, play after play. Quite an amazing quarterback to see live.
It appeared to me that real close to 50% of the crowd was Pittsburgh fans. On Tuesday morning, the local sports talk chat was centerd on bitching about Denver fans that sold their tickets to Steeler fans. If I have tickets to sell, they would go to anybody that had the cash to buy them. If you are trying to recover your investment, are you really gonna question the allegiances of the buyer? I think not.
Denver fans may be the best fans in the NFL, but overall, they also might be the worst losers in sports. I heard every excuse in the book for this loss, and they were all pretty lame. Bitter! "Table for one?
Overall, a great trip to a great event. The colors, the noise, and the pagentry of an NFL football game are outstanding. The gladiator like atmosphere at these games is stunning to witness live. This was about my 20th game, and I consider myself lucky every time the chance arises to see another. NFL football is something you should all make every effort to witness in person. You will not regret it.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4453) 12 years ago
Haven't piped up on this in awhile, but now that some of the chips have fallen, I can probably say it with a little more credibility.

In the offseason, I thought this year was an absolute trainwreck, and they'd be lucky to win 6 all year.

My mind has been changed, obviously like almost everyone else's.

That said... if we're just looking at 2009, the Denver Broncos would be a better team with Jay Cutler (assuming he could've put down the baggage)

But looking to the future, the Broncos made the right decision, which will continue to pay off for years to come.

If anything, I think you've got to look at what a difference an O-line makes. That's gotta be the single best explanation for Cutler's fall from last year to this year. Chicago's line is terrible. Mix that with a QB who's apt to take chances and this is what you get.
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Posted by Rick Kuchynka (+4453) 12 years ago
The gladiator like atmosphere at these games is stunning to witness live. This was about my 20th game, and I consider myself lucky every time the chance arises to see another. NFL football is something you should all make every effort to witness in person. You will not regret it.


I've always thought those monstrous 100,000 seat college games with the dueling bands and raucous crowds would give the nfl experience a run for it's money.

But Cat-Griz is the closest I've ever been to that.

Anyone got an opinion on the best college venue around?
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6068) 12 years ago
Richard wrote:
Where in this thread have I said anything about Jay Cutler? Yes, I said that we need to put in a QB that can throw the ball deep. He is sitting on the Broncos bench right now.

And where in this thread did I ever say that you said anything about Jay Cutler, per se?

All I said, Richard, was that Jay Cutler fits the bill of someone who can throw the ball deep in response to your oft-expressed desire for the Broncos to have a quarterback who can do just that.

I am confident that you would not be saying, "Gee, the Broncos need a quarterback who can throw the ball deep" if Cutler hadn't whined his way out of town prior to the season.

All Orton has ever done is win. Rex Grossman had a stronger arm than Orton. Orton won more games. Brandstater has a stronger arm than Orton. Orton is winning games. Cutler has a stronger arm than Orton. Orton has won more games.

The bottom line? Winning trumps arm strength.

Whether or not you care to admit it, Josh McDaniels knows more about who'd be better at quarterback for the Broncos than you do, Richard.
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Posted by mule train (+1057) 12 years ago
The Steelers are the Yankees of Football. They have a larger fan base than any other NFL team except maybe the Cowboys... When I picked my buddy up at the airport I saw lots fo Steelers fans.

The Broncos Defense did a pretty good job...scored a TD, sacked Big Ben a bunch of times. The O sucks.

I think the Broncos will rebound this week against the Redskins.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
I think the Broncos will rebound this week against the Redskins.


I sure hope so, but I am slightly concerned they might be overlooking the Redskins to next week and the Chargers.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6068) 12 years ago
Richard, if the Broncos lose to the Redskins, you have my blessing to say "The sky is falling!" to your heart's content.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
Grrr...
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Posted by julieinmc (+519) 12 years ago
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17494) 12 years ago
Dang.....losing to the Redskins. That is terrible.
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Posted by Chris Gamrath (+387) 12 years ago
<stepping out of the way of that huge chunk of falling sky!> LOL

Ok, yes that was ugly, but honestly the game was over as soon as the 2nd half started with Chris Simms at qb. Chris Simms is abour as useful as a poopy flavored lollypop. That fact isn't that hard for me to believe given who his Dad is, one of THE most overrated qb's of all time!

Here's hoping Orton's ankles are back and healthy enough to play next week against the Dolts!
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
I say we start working on next year and put Brandstater in.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6068) 12 years ago
Well, Richard. I guess you should be careful what you wish for, right?

I hope you realize that your team was winning when Orton went out.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17494) 12 years ago
The Donkeys are 6-3 in a weak division, and Richard is ready to throw the towel in for the season???

They should have got some help from the Eagles.....watching the Chargers beat the Eagles yesterday was awful. The Eagles should have won that game.

And, last night, didn't it look like Bill Belichick forgot who he was, and thought he was Andy Reid in the fourth quarter?
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6068) 12 years ago
Scroll up, Gunnar. Richard was ready to throw in the towel before the season even started.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5096) 12 years ago
Phyllis' kid sucks at QB.

Good Lord.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6068) 12 years ago
Buh-buh-buh but he has a STRONG ARM, Bob! That's all that matters!
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1906) 12 years ago
The towel is in his hands! Here's the wind-up! Did you know "towel" only has one L?
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Posted by Bob L. (+5096) 12 years ago
Man, Phyllis Jr. is still BRUTAL.
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Posted by M T Zook (+505) 12 years ago
HAHA, Broncos suck.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17494) 12 years ago
Boy, they really do suck. At least my Eagles, when they lose to a division rival, lose because they make a few mistakes. When the Chargers beat the Broncos yesterday, they pretty much beat them every which way and out.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6068) 12 years ago
The Broncos suck. Richard, you're a GENIUS!
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1906) 12 years ago
Orton is back. Broncos now looking good, at least for a wild card. I don't think Orton is a problem, Richard. They'll also get extra picks in the next draft.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17494) 12 years ago
Did anyone get a whiff out of the stench coming out of Mile High Stadium last Sunday? Whew. That's some kind of stink that is going to take a long time to clear the nostrils. Losing to the Raiders at home....when you are fighting for the wild card. Ugly.

Now, the hapless Donkeys have to face my Iggles in Philly this Sunday! The return of Brian Westbrook! Dawkins comes home for a game!

Best of all, since the Donkeys are ALWAYS on the local feed, I won't have to go to the casino with the NFL ticket to watch the game. Or maybe I will....its always more enjoyable to watch the Iggles open a big ole can of WHUPASS while legions of unhappy Broncos fans glumly look on!
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Posted by mule train (+1057) 12 years ago
I smelled it. I was at the game. Bronco fans like to say the Raider's have classless fans, but they should look at themselves before making that statement. I saw so many Bronco fans who could have been considered mentally ill, talking so much [email protected] to all the Raiders fans. But at the end of the game...their [email protected] talk floated away in the cool Denver evening. The humbled fans were reduced to fight a few Raider fans in the parking lot or go home and beat their wives.

My buddy, a die-hard Bronco fan and season ticket holder since '78 damn-near cried. I couldn't say much though, after all he gave me the extra ticket...but I was all warm and fuzzy on the inside.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17494) 12 years ago
I just placed a bet with a co-worker who is a diehard Broncos fan. Nice guy that I am, I gave him 7 points. The wager? A fifth of BONDED Old Grand Dad!




"I like to watch Denver lose with some Old Grand Dad....
...and I like to have women I've never had"

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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
Wow. I said on the 15th of August that this was going to be a long year and caught a lot of grief for saying so. You are just now figuring all of this out.

All of the turmoil of changing coaches and quarterbacks has accomplished nothing. We are worse off than this time last year. I say we fire McHoodie and rehire Shanahan. We need to get rid of Orton and make Branstater the QB of the future.

Frankly, nothing has gone well in Mile High since the appearance of "Apollo" through the styrofoam pillars. It is pretty embarrassing.

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr (12/22/2009)]
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1906) 12 years ago
They can still make the playoffs, Richard. Of course maybe if they'd gone with Simms over Orton, as you seemed to be backing at the top of the post, they'd be undefeated. Right.

Orton ain't the problem.
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Posted by Bob L. (+5096) 12 years ago
Gunnar wrote:
I just placed a bet with a co-worker who is a diehard Broncos fan. Nice guy that I am, I gave him 7 points. The wager? A fifth of BONDED Old Grand Dad!



The line is 7, so you're not really that nice.

But I think you've got some Old Grand Dad in your future.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
Well, a loss is a loss but it isn't as bad of a loss as I expected. Maybe they can sweep the Chiefs. Still think we need a quarterback who is a threat to change field position with either his arms or his legs. Have to give credit to McNabb for doing just that. His one run in the 4th quarter was the difference.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9224) 12 years ago
Orton didn't lose that game Richard, the o-line did. How many times was Orton rushed? How often was he sacked? Maybe the defense needs to show up and play an ENTIRE game. Perhaps Stokley shouldn't have been a WATB over a blown call in the first quarter.

But it's all on Orton. jesus pleasus.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
It is not ALL on Orton. But there were several wounded ducks that he threw, (specifically the pick) that a QB with the ability to throw the ball deep probably would have made. I agree the defense did better when they quit trying to blitz McNabb every down in the 1st half.
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Posted by Bridgier (+9224) 12 years ago
But it is all on Orton, at least to a Real True Bronco fan, because he isn't the second coming of Elway. Is he a great quarterback? No. He's not P. Manning, Brees, Brady or Favre. But he's efficient and reliable, and if the rest of the Broncos were equally as reliable, then you'd be sitting on top of the AFC West and heading into the playoffs with a full head of steam. But they aren't, and so they're not.
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Posted by Levi Forman (+3714) 12 years ago
I didn't see the game but from what I heard the fact that Denver's offensive line was getting totally dominated by Philly was pretty much making both the passing and running games ineffective.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17494) 12 years ago
I saw the game in its entirety.....to me, the biggest influence on the game was the referees.....never did I see so many Zebras throwing flags, at both teams. Still, the better team eventually won...despite the refs.

You cannot believe how much cursing I did at the refs when Philly intercepted the ball and ran it back to midfield, only to have the refs call THREE penalties against them, to move the offense back to the 2 yard line.....that was the only reason the Donkeys got back into the game.

Side note: On Christmas eve, the Donkey fan who I made the Old Grand Dad bet with called me from his Phoenix pool side to WELSH...."I didn't know they were playing in Philly!" I agreed to cancel the bet....which saved me some whiskey.

We have a new bet...next week, Dallas vs. Philly in Dallas...straight up.
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Posted by Brian A. Reed (+6068) 12 years ago
Reanimate the corpse of John Elway!
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
Fire McHoodie! Please!

















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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
For Sale: One 57" Mitsubishi TV.
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Posted by T Brown (+479) 12 years ago
Oh.....dang! They lost!
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
IF I SEE ANOTHER @#*%^& BUBBLE SCREEN TO A RUNNING BACK THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT BACK TO THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE...
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
The ONLY consolation is that the Eagle's laid an egg against the Cowboys.

BTW: it was a LONG season. Grrr...

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr (1/3/2010)]
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Posted by Bob Netherton II (+1906) 12 years ago
There ARE other things you could watch on that TV, Richard.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
Ya know, I think that the Broncos could have had Gaston Green push John Elway around in a wheel chair and had more offense than they had yesterday. Still ing.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson (+17494) 12 years ago
At least you don't have to watch football anymore....I have to watch the Cowboys beat up on the Eagles again at home for the second straight week.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr (+14970) 12 years ago
I have to watch the Cowboys beat up on the Eagles again at home for the second straight week.


Yup.

You will probably see this when you get back from UPS to send your whiskey to AZ.
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