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 Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, howdy, 2/4/2010 3:58:52 PM 
  RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Richard Bonine, Jr, 2/4/2010 4:20:58 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Wendy Wilson, 2/4/2010 4:45:38 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, howdy, 2/4/2010 4:49:56 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Richard Bonine, Jr, 2/4/2010 5:01:57 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Levi Forman, 2/4/2010 6:14:28 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, howdy, 2/4/2010 6:16:35 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, K.Duffy, 2/4/2010 6:25:38 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Marcus S, 2/4/2010 6:34:00 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Kacey, 2/4/2010 6:46:59 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, K.Duffy, 2/4/2010 7:18:43 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, howdy, 2/4/2010 7:36:27 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Amorette Allison, 2/4/2010 9:12:06 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Bridgier, 2/4/2010 9:49:09 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Wendy Wilson, 2/4/2010 9:56:28 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Richard Bonine, Jr, 2/5/2010 6:49:59 AM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, howdy, 2/5/2010 6:55:16 AM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Levi Forman, 2/5/2010 7:04:01 AM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Richard Bonine, Jr, 2/5/2010 7:16:11 AM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, howdy, 2/5/2010 7:18:05 AM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Richard Bonine, Jr, 2/5/2010 7:48:05 AM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Levi Forman, 2/5/2010 7:51:56 AM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Bridgier, 2/5/2010 8:29:03 AM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Wendy Wilson, 2/5/2010 9:20:39 AM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Bridgier, 2/5/2010 9:31:07 AM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, luckycharms, 2/5/2010 10:57:09 AM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, souix, 2/5/2010 11:29:07 AM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, luckycharms, 2/5/2010 1:16:39 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, luckycharms, 2/5/2010 1:17:33 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, Wendy Wilson, 2/5/2010 5:24:43 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, howdy, 2/7/2010 1:32:16 PM
RE: Group kidnapping kids in Haiti, souix, 2/7/2010 2:06:55 PM
Central Valley Baptist Church in Meridian, Idaho. This is the group charged with kidnapping children...Who are these idiots?? How stupid can you be??
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/04...tml?eref=igoogle_cnn
[This message has been edited by howdy (2/4/2010)] |
Careful. Given the chaos, I don't think we have all the facts in this situation. There are instances of parents relinquishing custody of their kids because they believe the kids will be better off here in the states.
Meanwhile Haiti medevac flights were suspended in preparation of the superbowl.
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts...er_bowl_preperations |
| But howdy, they have God on their side so they don't have to follow any of the rules. |
| LOL, Wendy....and Richard, no matter what the deal is, you don't just take kids without the proper paperwork... |
P.J. Crowley, a spokesman for the U.S. State Department, has said that U.S. officials have been given unlimited consular access to the Americans and that U.S. and Haitian authorities are "working to try to ascertain what happened [and] the motive behind these people.
"Clearly, there are questions about procedure as to whether they had the appropriate paperwork to move the children," he said Wednesday.
And you apparently have them convicted and hung out to dry before we know what happened, as stated by your own article.
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| Obviously I don't know what happened either, but in their defense, when half the country has been flattened, you might not think that going down to the local government office and filling out forms in triplicate is even an option. I don't think much of anything is "business as usual" down there right now. |
| Wow Richard, you apparently have me convicted and hung out to dry LOL...I am just questioning these folks and their motives because to take these kids across FOREIGN BORDERS WITHOUT PAPERWORK is very weird... |
| I gotta (oops! I mean "must" ) side with Wendy on this one! Surely they were visited by the Lord hisself (oops! I mean "himself")and told to save these children ~ especially since there are no deserving and underprivileged children left in the United States to save. |
To K.Duffy:
Well of course, don't you know its much more "IN" to help foreign colored children then to help children in the USA, the only country in the world to eradicate poverty.
/sarcasm |
I realize that the massive number of children who have been orphaned in Haiti need help. But to take children away without authority is wrong. They could have set up a camp there and helped care for the children. If I were a parent there and had been separated from my child, I wouldn't want them whisked away to another country!
And I also have often wondered why people travel so far and go to such great expense to adopt children from foreign countries. There are so many kids right here in our own backyard who are in desparate need of a family.
A family could spend that 20-30 grand on raising several children here in Montana. |
| Yaaabuuuttt..look at all the attention they'll get! Sorry, don't see anything philanthropic about it. |
More information about this group...the lady that is head of the organization sounds like a scam artist IMO...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/w...mericas/05idaho.html |
I suspect a combination of being completely naive and just plain ignorant. My guess is half of the folks didn't even know the Dominican Republic WAS a separate country. They probably thought it was more like state lines than a real international border. I mean, it's an itsy bitsy little island! How can you fit two real countries into such a small space?
Latest word is the parents of some of the children (Yes, you read that right. The PARENTS of the poor orphans) are now saying they thought the children were being taken to a boarding school for care and would be returned to the parents.
Some really dumb mistakes were made, I think, mostly through ignorance but I am not too sure there wasn't a component of fraud. |
| Here's the story that ran in the paper this morning: http://www.idahostatesman.com/273/story/1067267.html |
| There was a group here in Utah that was facillitating adoptions of Tongan and other Polynesian children to families in Utah. The group was charged with several counts of fraud when it became clear that the families of these children did not realize that they were giving up their parental rights and would never see their children again. They were not familiar with the Western view of parental rights and thought that their children were just being sent over to be educated in the States. Predatory people find their victims in societies stressed by poverty and upheavel, both political and natural. What sickens me it that they often hide behind the cross to perpetuate their crimes. |
| http://www.basinsradio.com/basin/in...d=39:local&Itemid=72 |
| so nine of the ten knew nothing about the scheme according to your article, Richard...Ignorance of the law is no excuse...and the leader is clearly a fraud artist..instead of circling the wagons, Richard, perhaps if Christians tried to weed out the fraud artists in your midst, folks would be more tolerant... |
| We sure are good at passing judgement around here aren't we? |
Hmmm.... someone is posting before they have consumed the daily allotment of Krispy Kreme's this morning.  You total missed my purpose in posting (which admittedly I didn't state) that someone local was one of the nine involved. I have never said that were not guilty... just that we shouldn't rush to judgement in this case when all of the reports indicate there is confusion about what happened.
Richard, perhaps if Christians tried to weed out the fraud artists in your midst, folks would be more tolerant...
No, I suspect if we did that you would take great issue with "us"not being more tolerant. I will leave the separation of the wheat and the chaff up to God. (and John Deere). |
| Passing judgement either way...Richard has already passed judgement that nothing wrong occured and I think there was fraud involved...Time will prove one of us correct... |
Richard has already passed judgement that nothing wrong occured and I think there was fraud involved
I have may no such judgment. And now I am off to "speedy village" for a stress test. After this thread that will be a piece of cake. |
| I'm not just referring to this, it seems like half the posts on politics lately are some variation of "look at these terrible people!!". I'm not sure why exactly but it is sort of starting to disturb me. Not the stories themselves, but the preoccupation with them. |
| All I know is that I wouldn't want this laywer: "Your honor, eight of my clients are the finest people I have ever had the privilege of representing... but the ninth Your Honor, the ninth is guilty as sin." |
| Yeah, I was also a bit nonplussed by today's article quoting the group's lawyer. It seems to me that there is a clear conflict of interest there but I don't know what kind of legal system Haiti uses. |
| I would guess it's a civil law system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_%28legal_system%29 |
It really irks me that christians in general are being bashed for mistakes made (hopefully in ignorance) by these 10 people. We as christians do not claim to be perfect! We do not believe that God is on our side, therefore we do not have to follow thw rules (Wendy Wilson). And maybe, JUST MAYBE, all should wait and see how all the facts play out BEFORE passing judgement. Considering the chaos caused by the devestation there right now mistakes are probably being made all over. I am sure there are a lot more instances of children being taken out of the country without proper paperwork (for both right and wrong intentions). It seems that because the folks are linked with a church organizationn it is being spotlighted way more.
So let me make this clear. As christians we do not believe we do not have to follow the rules, regulation, and laws put in place by mankind. God does not instruct us to do so. |
So let me make this clear. As christians we do not believe we do not have to follow the rules, regulation, and laws put in place by mankind. God does not instruct us to do so.
Not sure what you are trying to say...Does being Christian mean that you do not have to follow the laws or does it mean that you must follow the laws?
Thanks in advance for the clarification. |
| Are you illiterate?? Ok, let me clarify. Being a christian does not make me exempt from the laws and regulations put in place by man. Pull out the Bible and read it. No where does God instruct His children to ignore the laws of man. "Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars..." |
| Sorry if I sound snotty. Just a little ticked. |
| Geez, luckycharm, I wasn't bashing Christians as a group. I count myself one of them after all. I was just pointing out that SOME churches, especially of the ultra-fundamentalist stripe, inculcate a holier-than-thou attitude into its congregants which encourages people to cut corners in the name of God. If you think that it never happens you need to get your head out of the hole it's in. |
Yea!! for the big dog...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...d/article7017950.ece |
Luckycharm
So let me make this clear. As christians we do not believe we do not have to follow the rules, regulation, and laws put in place by mankind. God does not instruct us to do so.
Pull out the Bible and read it.
Thanks for the clarification...I find it difficult to understand a sentence when it contains a double negative.
The “we do not believe we do not have to follow the rules…” is rather confusing.
By the way, if this is how you believe Christians participate in civil discourse, perhaps you should pull your Bible out and read it. |
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