Stower Rd - west of Albertsons
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Posted by mikeh (+264) 2 months ago
Why no sidewalks? Why not a road wide enough to be driven safely at 25 mph like the rest of Stower? Been here for 8 years and always wondered.

[Edited by mikeh (9/25/2017 10:19:25 AM)]
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Posted by David Schott (+11309) 2 months ago
There never used to be a Stower Street across that field that is west of Albertsons.

At some point the City received a (or could have received a) CTEP grant to put in a full, regular Stower Street across that field. It would have had curb, gutter, storm drains, sidewalks, the whole thing. It was part of a project that would have widened/redeveloped Stower all the way to the BNSF railroad tracks (maybe including South 8th Street to Main Street?).

In doing so it would have caused the removal of boulevard trees along the rest of Stower Street including from Strevell to the railroad tracks. That was so hugely unpopular with residents along that section of Stower St. that they fought it to the point of the City losing the CTEP grant.

Subsequently a homegrown effort was made to put in the street that you currently see there.

Welcome to Miles City, Mike.

Those of you who remember things differently, feel free to speak up.
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Posted by David Schott (+11309) 2 months ago
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Posted by Karen L. Morris (+578) 2 months ago
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A few corrections, David. The funding for the proposed project was not CTEP. The funding was under the Surface Transportation Program Urban or STPU (the majority of this is federal funding--80%, I believe, but the program is administered by the state with federal oversight). The STPU funds can only be used for certain projects. An allocation is received every year and can be saved or the future can be borrowed from (with some limitations). When the funding was not used for the Stower project, it remained available for other eligible projects (i.e., it was not lost) and I believe it has been used to complete an eligible project on the north side of town. The final Environmental Assessment (EA) concluded that the no build alternative was the preferred option for the proposed Stower project because significant issues had been identified and an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) would be required to proceed. The EA concluded that spending the limited resource available on an EIS was not a justifiable or prudent use of the funding (hence, the no build recommendation). You can read the full final EA on line by doing a Google search for Montana STPU 8009(2). It's 280 pages, but there's some interesting reading there.

The road that was put in by volunteers was not done to engineering specifications (based upon information provided to me by a Professional Engineer with experience in roadway construction). My understanding is that the reason for the 15 mph speed limit is safety--due to the width of the roadway and the side slopes are too steep. Just last week, they were digging up two parts of the road because the manhole access covers were buried when the volunteers did the construction.

My understanding is that, because the EIS requirement was not met, federal funds can never be used for this segment of roadway (unless an EIS is eventually done). This can be confirmed with the Montana Department of Transportation (MDT) or the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA).

There has been a great deal of misinformation regarding this project (including what was posted on mc.com in your link) and hopefully this provides some clarification or directs people to where they can obtain it (the EA is a part of the public record). A word of caution: the draft EA contained significant errors and omissions and the comments received and addressed need to be read in conjunction with the original text to obtain an understanding of the facts.

Hopefully helpful.
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Posted by David Schott (+11309) 2 months ago
Thanks, Karen. Here's a link to the STPU document you referenced for anyone who wants to read it.

https://www.mdt.mt.gov/pu...etproj.pdf
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Posted by Rob Shipley (+392) one month ago
My opinion.
Stower Street extension is handy as it is.
But, ought to be completed...............Methinks.

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Posted by Amorette Allison (+8861) one month ago
That two blocks is in the county. Just as the half a street along one side is only one-way. Because the county refuses to pave their half. Stower was paved with millings and does not meet standards for a city street, which it can get away with because it isn't in the city limits.

There were a number of problems with the Stower Street project besides just cutting down trees. They wanted to widen the street to speed up traffic, then put in traffic bulbs to slow down traffic and it ended before it hit that delightful five way intersection just over the railroad tracks. A block before. So there would have a been a few blocks of wide street--with bumps sticking out from the curb to slow traffic--followed by the same narrow street and a bad, five-way intersection.

I talked to the engineering folks when they were here and when I asked about the five-way intersection and what would they do if their new improved street funneled more, faster traffic into it and they said, "What five-way intersection?" They studied the length of the study and not one foot longer.

So city/county issues, bad design issues, and a number of other issues. Plus the ever popular money issue.

[Edited by Amorette Allison (10/27/2017 4:28:34 PM)]
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Posted by David Schott (+11309) one month ago
What became of the plan to build multi-family housing in the field behind Albertson's/Ace Hardware? The same thing that happened to the plan to build a Hampton Inn & Suites near the Miles City Inn & Suites (formerly Holiday Inn Express)?
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Posted by Amorette Allison (+8861) one month ago
I know the first effort failed because they were betting on state funding for low income housing but they were building primarily two and three bedroom units, which we do not need in Miles City. They changed the plan to more one bedroom and studio units but I never heard if they got state funding for that. They weren't doing it without government funding and I imagine that is in short supply just now.
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