Joseph Scott
Posted by FlatCreek (+13) one year ago
I'm trying to find information on Joseph Scott. He established the SH ranch on the Tongue River. He was an associate of Frank Robertson. He was the 2nd President of the Montana Stock growers association. He was allegedly a widely known cattleman that has sort of been lost to history.
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Posted by Cindy Stalcup (+574) one year ago
Joseph Scott
s/o John Scott / Jane Steele

He was the youngest of 10 children. In the parish church there stands this entry, No. 143 "Joseph, son of John and Jane Scott, Drumclamph, was born September 12, 1843, and baptized October 2, 1843. Registered October 5, 1843, by me Edward M. Banks. He was engaged in stock raising and made a number of trips to England to import horses and cattle for the ranches he was interested in. His first trip was in 1879 after he had been in America 16 years. In June 1898 on a return trip he stopped at North Adams, MA where he met Miss Annette Bartlett through a letter or introduction of friends, 3 years afterwards she became his wife. Going directly to Berkeley, CA where they made their home for 6 months then returned to Spokane, WA. His work frequently called him away from home, but during his absence however pressing the demands, the daily letter to his wife was never omitted. During the summer of 1906 his business called him east and upon is return him his health became seriously effected and his Doctor advised he take a voyage of the Mediterranean. On the 18th of Dec they left from Spokane for New York and set sail aboard the SS Caronia for Naples. Upon his death bed he spoke - "God is going to take me to Heaven. I Am Not Afraid to Die" On the 24th of Mar 1906 with his wife at his side, the sweet spirit of Mr. Scott was called home to Heaven. On the 3rd of April a memorial service was held in and English cemetery. Arriving at Spokane a memorial service was held the 2nd of May at All Saints Cathedral and Fairmount cemetery. Services conducted by the dean of the cathedral the Very Rev. Alfred Lockwood, assisted by Rev. Henry A. James.

married 27 May 1901 Trinity Church Chicago
Miss Annette Bartlett
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ref: History of the city of Spokane and Spokane Co., WA Vol II by N. W. Durham 1912

He lived in Miles City for 1900 census. I found 2 different passport apps & a photo
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Posted by FlatCreek (+13) one year ago
Thanks for the obituary information. The fact he was "engaged in stock raising" doesn't give a lot background on his ranching empire. I was hoping to get information on his time in Miles City, his ranching interests or info on the Northern Cattle Company. I have seen tidbits where he helped create the Montana Stock Growers Association and was the Second President. I have seen him listed alongside cattle barons like Conrad Kohrs and Granville Stuart, but now he has been forgotten to history. I have found on this site Joe Farnum was a book keeper for the Northern Cattle Company managed by Joe Scott. John Burgess worked for the Northern Cattle Company and Joe Scott was the Manager. Who was this Joe Scott, I think he was an interesting character, but hard to find details on.

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Posted by Hal Neumann (+8802) one year ago
There’s not a lot, but I think there’s a bit of information about the man in:
Helen Carey Jones. CUSTER COUNTY AREA HISTORY: AS WE RECALL: A CENTENNIAL HISTORY OF CUSTER COUNTY, MONTANA, 1889-1989 (1990).
Available in the history section of milescity .com – here’s the link:
http://cdn.milescity.com/...(1990).pdf
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Posted by FlatCreek (+13) one year ago
That is kind of interesting conflicting history. The history from the Spokane history book which I'm familiar with has him born in England. The Custer History book has him born in Virginia. I tend to believe the fact he was born in England. The rest of the story in the Custer book sounds right he established the SH ranch on the tongue river in 1879. Their second ranch was near Birney and was sold to Captain Joseph T Brown. It must have been quite a time he moved into Montana with 20,000 head of cattle in 1879. Does anyone know an H. R. King of Miles City, Joe Scott is reported to have married his wife's half sister.

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Posted by Jeri Dalbec (+2540) one year ago
Just looking in Dr. Lorman Hoopes book, "This Last West" and there is a bit about the NORTHERN CATTLE CO. that reads: (Yj 2/6/86) as of 1/8/86, successor, "Scott and Co." (Cattle Co.) co.p.o MC; Joseph Scott, mgr., p.o. MC; William H. Cotant, foreman; p.o. MC; range TR, PR and Little PR, Custer Co., M.T.

That is exactly the way it reads in the book. There is quite a bit about Joseph Scott..'44: born Tyronne Co., North Ireland; Page 313 if you have access to the book. It does mention that he was appointed as a delegate of NSGA, to first annual meeting, National Cattle and Horse Growers Association of United States....'85.
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Posted by FlatCreek (+13) one year ago
Dr. Hoopes book is very informative. One interesting thing about Dr. Hoopes book is that it doesn't mention anything of the Montana Stock Growers Association. The Custer county history book says he was the Montana Stock Growers president for 8 years. The most interesting thing I have found is a quote from his obituary in the Billings Gazette. "Wherever cattle are raised in the far west, wether it be in California, Oregon, Nevada, Montana, Wyoming or any other great grazing states, "Joe" Scott was known." That is a pretty impressive byline for someone that now I can only find snippets of information on.
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Posted by NeverDullRanch (+9) 6 months ago
Check out this link on Facebook. Apparently Joseph Scott started out as a miner and then began raising cattle in Nevada and Idaho before expanding to Montana.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=847062332109929&substory_index=0&id=640607536088744
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Posted by NeverDullRanch (+9) 6 months ago
He is also mentioned in "The story of the Herefords; an account of the origin and development of the breed in Herefordshire, a sketch of its early introduction into the United States and Canada, and subsequent rise to popularity in the western cattle trade, with sundry notes on the management of breeding herds"
By Alvin Howard Sanders

"Joseph Scott. — Another leader in the early line
of progress through the use of white-faced bulls
upon the open range was Joseph Scott. Born in
Ireland from Scotch parentage, a man of enterprise,
high intelligence and thoroughly upright in all his
dealings, he operated largely in Montana, and later
at Halleck, Nev. He first came into prominence as
a member of the firm of Scott & Hank, whose old ad-
dress was Mandel, Wyo. They ranged on the
Tongue and Little Powder rivers, their brand being
S-H. Joe Scott was not only one of the most expert
cattlemen ever identified with western ranching, but
he was progressive, and early devoted his attention
to Herefords, more especially in the Nevada herd.
He was a customer of Mr. C. M. Culbertson and
others of the pioneer importers from Herefordshire.
He also imported cattle direct from England for the
Montana ranch about 1880, and in connection with
George Leigh of Aurora, 111., imported 120 head in
1897, about forty head of which went to the Nevada
ranch.

Mr. Scott had a long, eventful and honorable ca-
reer. He was for several terms President of the
Montana Stock Growers' Association, and devoted a
great deal of his time to that work. For many years
he made his home at Miles City, and from there he



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went to Spokane, Wash. He underwent all the
vicissitudes and ups and downs of the cattle busi-
ness, and in his later years often said: ''I was a
millionaire before the winter of 1886-87, and a pau-
per afterwards." Eventually, however, he left
quite an estate. He died and was buried in Italy,
and is remembered by all his surviving friends as
a man of broad sympathies — one who never tired
helping his fellowmen."
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Posted by RAndy Piper, Ph.D., M.B.A. (+5) 2 months ago
Dear Responders,

I am the great-great-great nephew of Frank Robertson, who ran 25,000 head of cattle in NE, SD and Montana.

Uncle Frank cowboyed with Teddy Roosevelt (TR). Frank had his cattle headquarters in Miles City and north of Livingston, where he was first buried before being moved to Spokane, where he had owned a big piece of land near the Spokane waterfalls.

FRank's nephew Charlie took TR on a hunting trip and TR gave my great grandfather a saddle. Charles Robertson is buried in the Dillon cemetery.

If you contact me at rrrpiper@gmail.com … I will provide an article from Goggins' AG publication that appeared a few years ago about Uncle Frank that mentions his partner Joseph Scott.

Thanks and Enjoy the Day!!

Randy Piper, Ph.D., M.B.A.

Dillon
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Posted by RAndy Piper, Ph.D., M.B.A. (+5) 2 months ago
Dear Joseph Scott & Frank Robertson Responders,

To follow up from my post last night where I suggested that you contact me at rrrpiper@gmail.com for additional information, I posted below the article, which may not be edited down for length by the host.

Enjoy the Day!!

Randy Piper, Ph.D., M.B.A.
(Dillon)


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Linda Grosskopf <editor@imt.net>
Date: Fri, May 20, 2011 at 9:50 AM
Subject: Here it is
To: Randy Piper <rrrpiper@gmail.com>


Caption:
1 - Frank Robertson and his steed. Bet this old saddle could tell a tale or two!
2 - Frank Robertson in his prime!


Frank Robertson cut a wide swath

By Mary Woodrow
Agri-News, July 20, 2001

My great-great uncle Franklin Corbin Robertson was born at Jacksonville, Morgan County, Illinois, on December 31, 1841. His parents - Charles and Bethsheba (Drinkwater) Robertson - were among the first settlers in central Illinois and took up thousands of acres of government land, becoming wealthy people.

Frank's mother died when he was only 8, and Frank practically grew up in the saddle. When he was a boy, he and his brother were sent out by their father to help drive herds of cattle into Illinois, Missouri, Kansas, and Iowa, and he became an expert in every detail of handling big herds of cattle.

Frank received most of his schooling on his father's farm, attending school only during a few winter terms and not learning to read until after he was grown.

In 1862, when he was 20 years of age, Frank left home to seek his fortune in the far West. He joined a wagon train and, with four mules and a covered wagon, went from Whitehall, Illinois, to Sacramento, California. There he stayed for a few months on the ranch of a cousin, Dick Ferguson, near San Francisco, California. While Frank was there, he sold his outfit. Leaving California, he went to Salem, Oregon, where he stayed on a farm with his uncle and aunt, Thomas and Beula Riggs, pioneer settlers in that country, for about a year.

He then traveled to Boise, Idaho, and for a time worked in the gold mines there. He and another boy planted a garden and grew fresh vegetables, which they sold to the miners, who had not been able to get anything of that sort. After a while they also furnished fresh beef to the miners and planted a field of wheat for flour. The profits were large and the prices, high.

Frank opened a store and for several years bought and sold merchandise. His experience as a merchant gave him the ability to recall some of the early banking. There were no banks, and the customary place for depositing money was in stores. The settlers and miners would bring in their bags of gold dust, each bag being tagged with the owner's name, and all of them were thrown into a box provided by the merchant. When the owner wanted his money, he would come into the store, open the box, take out what belonged to him, and go on his way. The only profit to the merchant was the incidental increase of his trade, and there was no need of liability. Frank never recalled a case of dishonesty or robbery.
He sold his store in 1872, got into the cattle business, and through industry and fair dealing, became one of the leading cattle ranchers in the Northwest. As a rancher and stockman, his operation covered seven of the northwestern states, and at times his cattle herds numbered as many as 25,000 head. Many times he drove and shipped stock to Chicago markets, and once each year he drove his cattle to Cheyenne, Wyoming, for shipment to Eastern markets.

In 1881, he established a ranch on the Laramie plains near Laramie, Wyoming, and also owned ranches on the Dismal and Niobrara Rivers in Nebraska. In that same year, he acquired thousands of acres on the Tongue, Powder, and Rosebud Rivers in Montana and became one of the largest ranchers in that section. He also had cattle on the open range in Colorado.

Frank first concentrated his herds in Montana in 1882, his headquarters being at the present site of Miles City in Custer County. The Rosebud Ranch, known as the Diamond, was one of the largest ranches in the country. His brand was the diamond, and the Diamond Ranch was noted far and wide for its hospitality.

Frank was a whole-souled man, ever ready to assist a neighbor, be he a cowman, sheepman, or ranchman, in any way he could. A good many of the ranchmen living on the Rosebud and its tributaries have cause to gratefully remember Frank Robertson for favors done them by him. He was a friend to every man and enemy to none, as the saying goes. He often went a long way out of his way to assist a neighbor.

At a meeting of the Stockgrowers at Miles City in 1888, a motion was made by M.M. Holt of the Mizpah Livestock Company that no man who owned cows and a brand would be given work by the cattlemen as a rider, on the grounds that it would put too much temptation in the way of the cowboy to use his own iron on some of his employer's calves. Three members of the association - Frank Robertson, who was a charter member, Theodore Roosevelt, and William F. Needinghause - disagreed with this motion bitterly. All three of these men said that, if the motion were to pass, it would tend to make the cowboy work on the cattlemen's stock purely out of spite and so would increase the number of rustlers. Frank said that quite a number of his riders were men who owned a home on the Rosebud, and almost every one of them owned a few cows. They were good workers and, as far as he was concerned, he did not think he would question a man seeking employment with the Diamond as to whether he owned cows or not. He said that, if any of them intended to steal, they would be more apt to do it if he refused them a job because they owned a brand than they would be if they were riding for him. Roosevelt and Needinghause argued along the same lines, and when the motion was put to a vote, it was defeated.

Frank and his partner Joseph Scott were instrumental in forming the Montana Cattlemen's Association back in 1884 at Miles City, where he also had business interest.

Frank took over for the Meyers Brothers, who had vast holdings in the Shields Valley when they went broke during the winter of 1886-'87. It was a bad winter, and they lost 4,000 head of cattle. It was said you could walk on dead cattle all the way up the Shields Valley.

Frank had his headquarter for over 40 years in the Shields River Valley near Wilsall, Mont. Frank, for many years, had been a staunch believer in the superior quality of Montana grass as a resource for fitting cattle for the market. On his irrigation projects on the Shields River, he expended $100,000 in the movement, making it available for permanent feeding of sheep, cattle, hogs, and the growing of grain.

For the last 30 years before his death, Frank held interest in land with a partner, W. B. Jordan.

Frank's name has been associated not only with ranching, but also with banking and merchandising and many allied enterprises in the new country. For example, he held business interest in Spokane, Washington, including the Davenport Hotel, one of the finest hotels in Spokane. He also had fruit orchards in Portland, Oregon.

Frank was probably the last surviving member of the historic organization of the Vigilantes of Idaho. A long-time friend of Theodore Roosevelt, Frank was a guest at the White House after Roosevelt became president. Frank's nephew, Charley Robertson, took Roosevelt on a lion hunt in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and Charley sent the saddle that Roosevelt used for the hunt to my grandfather... we still have it.

Men all over the Northwest knew of Frank as a constructive citizen, a pioneer who came into the country when there was little else than mining camps, buffalo, and wild cattle. Frank - whose home was in Wilsall in Park County, Montana - had driven cattle and engaged in bonanza farming in various sections of Montana and other states. It seemed that any enterprise to which he put his hand had been more than ordinarily successful, and he became a millionaire at a fairly young age. Frank never married, and he disposed of his means generously by helping a number of young men and women to educational advantages.

Frank succumbed to complications brought on by his advanced years. He died in Wilsall, Montana, on February 20, 1937. The body was brought to Livingston. Last rites were conducted in the Pemberton Funeral Home chapel on February 22. His remains were then taken to Spokane.
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