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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. 2 years ago
This is an interesting article. When one considers the graph of cuts below with this pie chart:



you can begin to understand the austerity measures that Rmoney/Ryan have in mind. We should cut the biggest piece of the pie to 20% and we would have plenty to double all other categories and pay down the national debt.

But then I keep forgetting that war is where most of the 1%ers make their money.


Republican Leader Finally Admits That Federal Spending Cuts Kill Jobs
By Rebecca Leber on Sep 13, 2012 at 5:34 pm
It's an article of faith amongst Republicans that government can't create jobs, and that cutting government spending will lead to job growth. Republicans even pushed the nation to the brink of a debt default in order to secure cuts in federal spending in 2010.But with the consequences of that debt ceiling deal due to hit in January - at which point the so-called "sequester" will cut into both military and non-defense discretionary spending - House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) is seemingly having a change of heart. On Thursday he tweeted that the sequester would hurt federal spending in key areas, and thus kill jobs:


Earlier this week, Cantor was unable to name a single deal Republicans would be willing to make to prevent the slew of cuts - cuts that Cantor himself voted for. Plus, as the Bipartisan Policy Center reports, the House Republican budget that Cantor supported cuts "more than double the amount" of the sequester. This budget would sink domestic spending to its lowest level in 50 years. Meanwhile it prevents cuts to military spending already endorsed by military leaders.
This chart shows that the House Republican's budget cuts non-defense spending dramatically. The "BCA+sequester" line is the path of non-defense discretionary spending under both the debt ceiling deal (the Budget Control Act and its sequester), while the light blue line is the Republican budget:



http://thinkprogress.org/economy/20...map=%5B%5D&mobile=nc
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Posted by Jeri Dalbec 2 years ago
Just happen to be reading, "Prophets of War", Lockheed Martin and the Making of the military-Industrial Complex. Just makes you ill...! To think they want to "whittle" on the smaller slices in your pie chart when none of it would have to be touched if they cut the military budget.
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Posted by Kacey 2 years ago
Take away all of the EXCESS spent in the name of war...look at all of the bogus expenses paid to the contractors who supposedly went in to help rebuild Iraq.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/...3-22-iraqcosts_N.htm
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Posted by GCC 2 years ago
I agree with Richard that much spending could be cut from defense, and I know from personal experience that much could be cut from the USDA, I suspect all government agencies could economize greatly. The republican plan might not be perfect but at least its a plan, where is the democrat controlled senates plan, they have not brought a plan up for a vote, they say the world is run by those who show up, well its about time the democrats show up or step aside.
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
I wish Wendy would reset GCC's password again so he wouldn't be able to post all this dailycaller/redstate/romneyshambles drivel.
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Posted by Jeri Dalbec 2 years ago
I did read where the Senate passed its farm bill in June on a bi-partisan vote and the House Agriculture Committee has finished its farm bill. The House leaders declined to bring the farm bill to a vote before their August recess.

Seems that the bickering is completely partisan. In the House, the rural Republicans generally support the farm bill while the urban Republicans aligned with the Tea Party, view it as farm welfare whcih they oppose. The main reason being that some Conservatives are worried about losing their jobs if they support the farm bill.

Looks like that is where it still stands other than today there is talk of just extending the old bill. Only going by what I have read in the Billings Gazette. I believe that even Denny Rehberg has tried to influence his party leaders to bring the bill to the floor.
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Seems that the bickering is completely partisan

Boehner can't/won't bring the farm bill to the floor. Step up and lead indeed.
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Posted by David Schott 2 years ago
Bridgier, I think you're mistaking GCC for GVC.
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Posted by GCC 2 years ago
I've yet to hear an explanation for the senate democrats inability to bring a budget to the floor throughout Obama's term, why don't you focus Bridgier and try to spin one.

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Posted by howdy 2 years ago
thought the current senate was controlled by the Republicans....
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Mr. Reid claims that the budget deal that was reached last summer functions effectively as a budget - Here's the budget I'd like to see: http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/the-peoples-budget/

Given that anything that the Senate produces would look like reheated Simpson-Bowles granny starving, I'm glad that there isn't a senate budget.

thought the current senate was controlled by the Republicans....

Given the use of the filibuster, this is effectively true.

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Posted by howdy 2 years ago
I see it is a close tie with 2 independents in between...democrats lead by only 3 or 4...so in politics that is a tie IMO as there are always crossovers by democratic members being DINOs and Republicans being RINO....
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
GCC, its because a budget was already passed last year:

http://budget.senate.gov/democratic...93-9fae-fdfc42eda2f3
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Posted by Amorette Allison 2 years ago
The use of the filibuster, which requires a supermajority of 60 to break, has pretty much paralyzed the Senate even though Democrats are very slightly in the majority. The filibuster used to be saved for major legislation like civil rights. Now it pops up for everything, crippling any hope of legislation.

The minority party cannot run things but they can prevent anything from being done and since the current minority party in the Senate does not believe in compromise or working together or working for the good of the people, we're toast.
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
More truth telling honest opinionating:



What a dick.

Apropos of nothing, that sound you hear GCC is a dogwhistle...

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Posted by GCC 2 years ago
Gunnar, why the smoke and mirror games, was the budget resolution filed by democrats voted on?
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Posted by GCC 2 years ago
Just focus Bridgier, just focus.
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Mr. Reid claims that the budget deal that was reached last summer functions effectively as a budget - Here's the budget I'd like to see: http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/the-peoples-budget/

Given that anything that the Senate produces would look like reheated Simpson-Bowles granny starving, I'm glad that there isn't a senate budget.


Reading are hard. I don't care if the senate democrats haven't brought a budget, because it would suck, and I wouldn't like it.
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Posted by tax payer 2 years ago
"The Hope and The Change" is set to air dozens of times, reaching 130 million cumulative households, over the next few months - an historic first for any political documentary.

This smartly produced documentary will be shown on HDNet Movies, AXS TV, RFD-TV, FamilyNet, and Rural TV. The film is also licensed to Lesea Broadcasting for World Harvest Television and their broadcast stations: WHMB (Indianapolis, IN), WHNO (New Orleans, LA), KWHB (Tulsa, OK), KWHE (Honolulu, HI), KWHS (Colorado Springs, CO) and WHME (South Bend, IN).

Please check local listings for channels: up-to-date information about showings will be added to www.TheHopeAndTheChange.com/TV as soon as it becomes available.

It is important to note that these distribution opportunities would have been against the law a mere three years ago. This is why I went to the United States Supreme Court in Citizens United v. the Federal Election Commission - to fight for the right to produce a political documentary.

"The Hope and The Change" exposes the hard truth that many Democrats and independents are suffering at the hands of President Obama's failed policies, and we will aggressively market this film so Americans can finally have an unfiltered conversation they deserve.
Check your listings for tomorrow night
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Posted by tax payer 2 years ago
The whole article failed to copy and paste
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
Gunnar, why the smoke and mirror games,


Good question. Why don't you ask that to the House Republicans, with their never-ending grandstanding and holding the federal budget hostage?

After last summer, why on earth would we want to go through those histrionics again?

Lets just vote that we hate Obamacare over and over again.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. 2 years ago
The whole article failed to copy and paste


The irony is so thick it is raining crowbars, but that is what happens with "cuts".
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Another gem:



I can't wait to see whatever pixar movie this ends up in...
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Posted by Jeri Dalbec 2 years ago
Bridgier...Where did you find that? Amazing. Guess I am too stubborn to watch anything promoted by "Citizens United". Their hatred effort to destroy the President is pitiful at best. Then...it makes you think of good old Karl Rove...Nixon's "Dirty Trickster" guy...and, to this day, you wonder why he didn't get sent up? sometimes it is good to be in the 47% and still vote:-)
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Posted by Hannah Nash 2 years ago
"The Hope and the Change" is just one expensive ($5 million) political ad for the Republican Party, disguised as a factual documentary wrapped in Hollywood movie gloss.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ie-blasts-obama.html

Please check out the Super-PAC funding stream, the group "Citizens United", the film maker's previous anti-Hillary project (which received almost zero airtime because she was NOT selected as the 2008 nominee), and the film's allusions to Obama being like Hitler (seriously, in the the opening moments of the film they invoke "Godwin's Law"; classy, very classy).

Apparently, votes ARE for sale.
Be conscientiousness of what films you promote, research Super-PACs (do you really want money deciding elections?), and you don't need "40 disenfranchised former Obama supporters" to speak for you.

Other sources:
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_new...president-obama?lite
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162...ave-turned-on-obama/
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Posted by tax payer 2 years ago
2016 is another you should watch.
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Posted by tax payer 2 years ago
Hannah is your sources the same ones caught with open mic coordinating their questions trying to make Romney look bad?
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Posted by Jeri Dalbec 2 years ago
"2016" is Muddy...did not pass the "Fact Check". That is "hate stuff"...who does that? To quote Maya Angelou: "What would our Nation be like if we dared to be intelligent? If we dared to allow our intelligence to dictate our actions". Profound!
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Posted by tax payer 2 years ago
Internal Department of Justice emails obtained by The Daily Caller show Attorney General Eric Holder's communications staff has collaborated with the left-wing advocacy group Media Matters for America in an attempt to quell news stories about scandals plaguing Holder and America's top law enforcement agency.

Dozens of pages of emails between DOJ Office of Public Affairs Director Tracy Schmaler and Media Matters staffers show Schmaler, Holder's top press defender, working with Media Matters to attack reporters covering DOJ scandals. TheDC obtained the emails through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
Hannah is your sources the same ones caught with open mic coordinating their questions trying to make Romney look bad?


Ummmm.....if you look at Hannah's sources at the end of her post, you will see they are NBC News and CBS News.

Of course, being the mainstream media, they must all be liars, not the paragons of truthiness that you can find from internet bloggers such as Alex Jones.
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Posted by David Schott 2 years ago
CBS was good enough for "tax payer" when the message was to its liking:

Author: tax payer Posted: 9/11/2012 9:54:15 PM

"Was on CBS that if debt is not addressed will put us back into a recession."

http://milescity.com/forums/posts/view/270596/#271368
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Posted by Kacey 2 years ago
I guess Taxpayer and Romney share some things in common..they love to USE the truth only when it benefits them..they expect the TRUTH to stay hidden when it would be used against them and their beliefs.
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Posted by tax payer 2 years ago
Like Obama using the excuse the protests are not against the American peoole and policies, but from a YouTube video that hardly anyone had seen. Then Libya says there were no protests early before Stevens was killed and it had been planned for months and they gave warning 3 days before it happened. Obama uses what ever lies that fit his agenda.
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Posted by Kacey 2 years ago
Taxpayer...hell yes...the President PERSONALLY does all these things you claim. He must be a VERY VERY powerful man . You should be afraid...very afraid.
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
That's some tin hat poop, right there. His "agenda". What the procreate, man?
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Posted by tax payer 2 years ago
Kacey you are the one that should be afraid. Time will tell! His agenda is to get reelected and his foreign policy stinks, so either blame Bush, the headwinds, republican congress when the democrats had 6 years of control, and now blame a video that very few had seen.
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Well, I see that Romney's got the moran vote firmly wrapped up.

How ANYONE can look at the egregious cluster of procreate that was the 8 years of Bush foreign policy and then say that OBAMA's the disaster, is either abysmally stupid, a liar, or both.

When they come to put him in the FEMA camp, no one will laugh harder at tax payer then myself.
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Posted by Hannah Nash 2 years ago
@taxpayer

I was hoping you would address the points made about the film you're promoting. Or the concerns with Super-PACs in elections. Or a $5 million advertisement.
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Posted by tax payer 2 years ago
I would rate President Bush above Obama and neither were my favorite presidents.
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
I bet tax dodger voted for President Bush twice, though.

Not his favorite President. HA HA HA HA HA

Oh, tax dodger... President Obama IS OUR PRESIDENT. Gotta use the current text, dumb procreate! Repeat after me: PRESIDENT OBAMA IS OUR PRESIDENT

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Posted by tax payer 2 years ago
Hannah I don't like super pac's and that includes obama's.
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Posted by tax payer 2 years ago
Bob it was the dead that voted for Obama twice! Ha ha ha
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Posted by tax payer 2 years ago
Just heading out the door and will be gone for a couple weeks. Have a great day!
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Is it to much to hope that tax_payer's spending this time scouting properties in the conservative paradise of Haiti (no taxes, no gun control and all health care delivered by charity) where he will spend the duration of the second Kenyan Interregnum?

probably.
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Posted by GCC 2 years ago
Gunnar, the house republicans did their job, its the senate democrats that failed to do theirs, they failed to bring a budget to the floor even before the debt ceiling standoff, their is no excuse and your spin is pathetic.
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Because the lack of a budget from the senate is what's the problem. And both Gunnar and I have addressed this.

Find another nut there brother squirrel.
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Posted by GCC 2 years ago
The failure of the senate democrats to pass a budget exemplifies their irresponsibility in solving this countries fiscal problems, don't really care if you're tired of hearing about it, the voters should hear it everyday till election. Go find your own nuts Bridgier.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
I do believe the voters are far more interested in hearing how right wingnuts in the House, who can also filibuster the Senate, currently hold this country hostage.

You lose, GCC....and your spiteful, hateful ilk will lose this November. The voters will see to it that the people will get back the rights that your kind wishes to strip from them.
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Posted by GCC 2 years ago
The spiteful, hateful, and the gutless are the democratic leadership who play smoke and mirror games because they fear if the facts are revealed they lose political power, the senates budget actions are one example, much like the pass Obamacare so we can see whats in it, which after passed doesn't fully come into effect till after the presidential election, its smoke and mirrors. Polls show the majority of people didn't want Obamacare before it passed and still don't want it, it will be interesting to see what they think of it when they have to deal with it. Obama promised open discussions on C-span, instead they stuffed it down our throats with the pass it so we can see whats in it philosophy, the public deserves open and honest leadership and its not coming from the democrats.

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Posted by Amorette Allison 2 years ago
Actually, when individuals are polled on the separate portions of the Affordable Care Act, people are firmly in favor. It is only when they are asked about "Obamacare" that the fear and mis-information kick in. You need to remember, the current health care reform is based on ideas first floated by Richard "The Wild-Eyed Liberal" Nixon and later by Robert "I"m a Commie" Dole.

REAL healthcare reform involves getting rid of insurance companies completely.
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Poor GCC. History is passing him by.
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Posted by GCC 2 years ago
Parts of Obamacare are good, I'm sure parts of Bridgier are acceptable, but the overall package, well not so much.
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Posted by howdy 2 years ago
absolutely cannot wait for the day (hope it is in my lifetime) that insurance companies will no longer be allowed to be involved in health care in any way....
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. 2 years ago
Something some of you who want to take an axe to federal spending need to consider is how it will affect places like Miles City. My guess is that 40-60% of those employed in Miles City are employees of the federal government. If we end up following the Ryan curve, (in the graph of the 1st post) there could very well be adverse impacts on a local level. Be careful what you wish and vote for. You may not like how it works out.
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Posted by GCC 2 years ago
Richard, I agree, we can't jerk the wheel so to speak, but we have to begin adjusting slowly, admitting our national credit card has a limit would be a nice beginning, Ryans budget slows the growth of government spending overall, only in Washington is a decrease in an increase considered a cut. It is up for debate how the pie chart should be sliced, I'm not arguing that its perfect the way it is, at least he has the guts to give us a starting point.

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Posted by Mufasa 2 years ago
They may have guts for a start, but we will never get anywhere until we cut our bloated military budget and stop the war on drugs.
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
Gcc, you're ability to parrot Fox News is second to none. You have yet to contribute anything of value to this conversation.
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Posted by Jeri Dalbec 2 years ago
They definitely could cut a chunk out of Lockheed Martin...but...instead..yesterday...the GOP voted down the Veteran's Bill which was to assist the very people they voted to send into the useless wars. Sad situation. The bill cannot be brought up again until next year according to what I read.
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Posted by GCC 2 years ago
I don't know Buck, I've conceded that the defense budget needs to be cut, isn't that a start?
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
No.
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Posted by Wendy Wilson 2 years ago
I can't believe that 40% of the employed folks in Miles City are federal employees. That seems way too high.
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Posted by Jay 2 years ago
I think that Howdy has hit on a good idea. Should include lawyers in this.
Also get rid of medicare and medicade as the Govt. is one of the bigger insurance providers.
Every one can pay there own way. You know their fair share. A house call could be bartered for, lets say a chicken to the Doctor. Have a baby and maybe old bessy for a birth. That way they share all the same pain, so to speak.
Now I know that this is going to be a depends wetting session for her, as in a previous thread when the subject of a %10 flat tax was suggested for all. It was kind of a NIMBY sort of a thing.
I am somewhat sure that the liberal posters get the idea. You know,all for one and one for all.
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
I've been waiting all my life to hear from the guy who uses the other internet. How is the bandwidth on the internet the government didn't develop?
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Posted by howdy 2 years ago
Jay, that isn't what I meant at all...I meant a public option rather that a for profit insurance company but then I guess you aren't sharp enough to understand what I said....sad...



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Posted by Jay 2 years ago
Sharp-Coming from you thats a rich one. Missed your hidden message.
But a nice recover on your part. Not to forget the cute cut and paste.
If insurance companies were not for profit, I have an idea that you would think you were entilted to and would ask for a discount.
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Posted by howdy 2 years ago
Never met anyone that was entilted but have a feeling your brain probably is entilted LOL...
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