What about Gary Johnson?
Posted by LAURIE STARK 2 years ago
I've been doing some reading up on Gary Johnson. That man makes a lot of sense. Great alternative to the Obama/Romney headache.
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Third parties are a trap. But as Johnson's going to be siphoning votes from Romney more so than Obama, I say go for it.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
I'd vote for Gary Johnson over Mittens hands down, if they were the only two dogs in the race. How the Republican party has brainwashed 46% of the public is one of the great mysteries of our time. The Libertarian party by far represents the traditional conservative values of our founding fathers. The only people who should vote Republican is the upper 1% of the tax brackets.

But there are three candidates, and despite my disagreement with several of his policies, President Obama is by far the most qualified to lead America into the 21st century.
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Posted by LAURIE STARK 2 years ago
I agree to a certain extent. I am so tired of giving the Democrats and Republicns chance after chance after chance. Maybe Obama IS more qualified than Romney. He's had his chance and he was mediocre at best. Romney, well as far as I aim concerned, he is so out of touch with the common person that it scares me. He is a joke.

Me...I'm voting for Johnson, not because it will take votes away from the other two but because I am so ready for real change and some fresh ideas!
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
someone really doesn't understand how the american electoral system works.
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Posted by LAURIE STARK 2 years ago
Wow, thanks. It's not voting for who you think would do the best job? Therein lies the problem. And...by the way...I am not dumb, stupid, or rude. Someone needs to take a lesson.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. 2 years ago
While I like Gary Johnson and he may help the liberitarian cause get above the 15% threshold, at the end of the day you must you must understand that liberitarians are really nothing more than republicans with crack pipes.
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Posted by LAURIE STARK 2 years ago
Now THAT was funny!!
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Posted by howdy 2 years ago
Sadly, the way the electoral system is set up, the only ones with a chance of winning are either Democrats or Republicans...I would dearly love to see this change or done away with and just go with the popular vote...
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Posted by Levi Forman 2 years ago
As long as people such as yourself keep voting out of fear instead of trying to make things better, the two parties aren't going anywhere, and they are really good at scaring people.
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Until we change how we choose electors, the two party system isn't going anywhere. It's not voting out of fear, it's rationally choosing to support the party that can actually accomplish something. Third parties can't get electors, therefore, they can't get elected. All they can do is damage the chances of the major party candidate that's actually closest to their philosophy.

If you want to vote third party, you might as well vote for the easter bunny, for all the good it does.
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Posted by LAURIE STARK 2 years ago
When was the last time the "two parties" took us anywhere? Longer than I care to remember. As for the scary part? I don't vote because I am scared. I vote because I want change and voting is my way of telling them so. Get out of the groove and become a FREE THINKER.Do what's right for a change!!
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Posted by howdy 2 years ago
But Laurie, other than a republican or democrat, there is no chance for anyone to win...due to the current electoral system...so voting otherwise is a waste...Understand?
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Posted by LAURIE STARK 2 years ago
Understand? Yes. Remember, I am no dummy. So because my candidate won't win, I shouldn't vote for him. Um, OK.
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Exactly. If your candidate doesn't have the possibility of achieving the plurality of the vote within your state, all voting for this person will do is harm the candidacy of the viable candidate most closest to him/her in philosophy.

A vote for Gary Johnson's the same as a vote for Obama, so please, vote for him twice if you can.
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
We're so procreateed.
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Posted by LAURIE STARK 2 years ago
Ya, what Buck said.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. 2 years ago
In a two-person race between Romney and Obama, Romney has no chance of gaining enough electoral votes to win. Voting for Johnson takes votes away from Obama and gives Romney a chance.

[This message has been edited by Richard Bonine, Jr. (7/22/2012)]
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Posted by LAURIE STARK 2 years ago
And not voting for the person I feel would do the best job takes away MY rights as an American citizen.
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Posted by howdy 2 years ago
But Laurie, why would you just throw away your vote by voting for someone that doesn't have a chance as long as the electoral college is in place?? I agree it is your right as a citizen to vote for whomever you wish, but wouldn't you like your vote to count at least??? and by doesn't have a chance, I mean, if the majority of Americans voted for the same person, he still would not win...
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Posted by Levi Forman 2 years ago
If there was only one candidate, we could ALL vote for the winner.
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Posted by LAURIE STARK 2 years ago
So voting for someone I totally don't care about because the person I do has no chance of winning? I don't think so. I will vote for whom I think is the best candidate...I don't think my vote is a wasted vote, nor do the hundreds of thousands who also vote Libertarian or Independent or those who vote for their dog. Doesn't matter. The dog probably could do just as good as job in the long run. Don't get me wrong, I get it. I truly do. However, I will agree to disagree.
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Posted by Hal Neumann 2 years ago
We could try to change the system. Replace the Electoral College with direct vote for President. It's probably not an impossible thing to do. It would be darned hard to pull off, it would take years (maybe a generation or more to pull off), but I think it could be done.

It would certainly be a game changer - I can't, of course, tell in advance if it would change the game for the better. I can imagine at least one scenario that would make it worse. But I think it's worth a shot.

Of course the real game changer is still meaningful campaign finance reform - taking the money out the equation. But, I don't know that even a sustained, multi-generational effort can make that one happen.

I do know that if you want to see how similar both major parties truly are - if you need yet another example of how firmly money controls both parties - pursue both reforms. Threaten the Major's monopoly on the White House - threaten to choke off their access to corporate cash and you'll see bipartisanship come to forefront in DC.
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
I wonder why they didn't install a bi-partisan republic in Iraq?

Oh wait, no I don't.
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Posted by Amorette Allison 2 years ago
I just read an article -- sorry, I don't remember where -- that pointed out how few votes actually count. The entire state of Montana doesn't count. It will go Romney with its three lousy electoral votes and nobody, including Romney, will care. There are a very few battle ground counties in a very few battle ground states with a few swing voters. When it comes down to it, those are the only votes that will matter.

Unless the Supremes start playing games again.

You could vote for Pat Paulsen as much as this Johnson fellow and it won't make a difference. In local and state elections, your vote counts. For president, it's just spitting in the wind.

I will vote for Obama because the alternative is so much worse, but I know, in the long run, it won't matter.

Ain't it grand?
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Posted by howdy 2 years ago
Agree Amorette, sad but true...
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Posted by Levi Forman 2 years ago
Hal Neumann wrote:
We could try to change the system. Replace the Electoral College with direct vote for President. It's probably not an impossible thing to do. It would be darned hard to pull off, it would take years (maybe a generation or more to pull off), but I think it could be done.

It would certainly be a game changer - I can't, of course, tell in advance if it would change the game for the better. I can imagine at least one scenario that would make it worse. But I think it's worth a shot.

Of course the real game changer is still meaningful campaign finance reform - taking the money out the equation. But, I don't know that even a sustained, multi-generational effort can make that one happen.

I do know that if you want to see how similar both major parties truly are - if you need yet another example of how firmly money controls both parties - pursue both reforms. Threaten the Major's monopoly on the White House - threaten to choke off their access to corporate cash and you'll see bipartisanship come to forefront in DC.


Nice post Hal. At the risk of sounding like Howdy, I agree 100%.
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Posted by LAURIE STARK 2 years ago
It is vital that voters in every state have real choices in November, choices that are not narrowed down for them by the two so-called major parties. Quote from Gary Johnson.
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Posted by howdy 2 years ago
that system isn't easily changed, as the electoral college would require a lot to be rid of IMO...Read up on it...
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
howdy wrote:
that system isn't easily changed, as the electoral college would require a lot to be rid of IMO...Read up on it...


I can become a bajillionaire or rely on everyone to pull their heads out. Somebody message me on election day. Let me know who raised the most money so I can vote be sure to vote for them.
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Rereading the thread, I was wondering if you could expand on this:

He's had his chance and he was mediocre at best


Specifically, what would have made his first administration better than mediocre, in your eyes?
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Posted by atomicg 2 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC4...6CB1A2C94&playnext=2

An explanation of the electoral college.
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Posted by LAURIE STARK 2 years ago
People say you waste your vote by voting Libertarian. The only wasted vote is a compromised vote and Obama or Romney are compromised votes. I'm not voting for someone because they're slightly better than the other guy. If the GOP sees 20% of their votes going to Gary Johnson their message will change.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. 2 years ago
I agree Laurie. The whole mantra about not voting for a 3rd party candidate because the candidate in the other big-box party might win is nothing more than voting out of fear. Voting out of fear is never going to cause the changes that needs to occur. Either Jill Stien or Gary Johnson would be preferable to what the big box-store parties are offering.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
I also agree with Laurie. One should vote for whatever candidate best shares your convictions and beliefs on what direction you think this country should be going.

As annoyed as I was at the time for the people who voted for Ralph Nader over Al Gore in 2000, that certainly was their right, and I now respect that.
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
While I was hoping that LAURIE would answer the question I posed to her above, I certainly respect her right to vote early and often for Gary Johnson, and I hope she encourages all of her conservative friends to do so as well, particularly those friends that live in Pennsylvania, Ohio, or Florida.
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Posted by Elizabeth Emilsson 2 years ago
I watched an interview with Gary Johnson on Martin Bashir's program, yesterday. He was quite impressive. He is still fighting to get on the ballot in several states and has been challengedin court by the Republicans in Virginia, even though his approval rating is now about 4%. He could bring alot of intelligence on salient points to the debates. It's amazing how both parties manage to stifle the democratic process.
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Posted by LAURIE STARK 2 years ago
I like what Gary Johnson had to say also! People need to start listening!
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Posted by Kacey 2 years ago
I hope she encourages all of her conservative friends to do so as well, particularly those friends that live in Pennsylvania, Ohio, or Florida.


I certainly agree!
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Posted by Jeri Dalbec 2 years ago
Especially, Ohio! I saw another Independent Pres. candidate on TV yesterday...a Mr. Goode from Virginia, I believe. He feels that he will be on the ballot in 18 States.
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