Griz Football 2012
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
I see our boys are starting the New Year off on a high note:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/...na-quarterback-rape/

I am getting pretty sick and tired of listening to stories of Grizzly football players slipping mickies and date raping their coed guests on the radio every morning.
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Posted by Mathew Schmitz 2 years ago
It's called "lack of institutional control". Someday it could kill their entire athletic program. It takes a coach with balls and integrity to stop it. We had our problems here in Bozeman too, until we hired Rob Ash. Any hint of trouble, and the guy or guys involved are gone. It's the only way to run a program. You just won't survive in small towns like Missoula or Bozeman if you keep bringing thugs into the community. Due diligence is the name of the game, and if there are any questions about a kids character, let him go somewhere else. Better yet, ask him to please go somewhere else and poison their team. Your team, your college, and your community will be better off without him. No matter how many touchdown passes he can throw. Or catch. Or run for.

[This message has been edited by Mathew Schmitz (3/20/2012)]
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
We shall see. Woman scorned or GRIZ QB rapist? No one knows. Lot's of speculation. I am not going to speculate on whether he did or didn't. 'Cause God only knows exactly what happened. I will speculate on his fate however...he will be found not guilty. Why you ask? Because atheletes get away with it every day...think Kobe, hell think Parish Cox, the Bronco DB...he even knocked a girl up...she had an abortion...the fetus tested 99% positive it's his...he said he never banged her....and the jury still let him off! It appears that it is a hard sell. Now, if JJ's accuser has a "Girl w/Dragon Tatoo" evidence, he'll be gone and in jail....if not...I think he walks.

One last note...remember Jimmy Wilson? He killed a dude and still got to come back play his senior year and start for the Miami Dolphins! Anything can happen...and usually does...so before all you Cat fans start getting your panties wet, you better wait (like the rest ofd us) and see what happens.
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
What happened to that scrub Nate Montana? Inquiring minds want to know!

[This message has been edited by Bob L. (3/20/2012)]
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
I wondered how long it would take before Rush came along and called someone a whore.
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
Bob L....Nate Montana took the majority of 1st team reps at Spring practice yesterday. The results were mixed. If ends up "the guy" next fall...the Griz are in for a very long season.
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Posted by Shu 2 years ago
God help the Griz if The Mighty Joe's boy gets the start...as I said on a previous thread, he played at a junior college a couple years ago and wasn't that good there, either.

Yeah, I agree that JJ is innocent until proven guilty. 'Cat fans are not ones to cast stones, though..."Kramergate" and all the drug trafficking and such that happened in that era was not so long ago.

On a more positive note, I did notice that former Griz Lex Hilliard is now with the Minnesota Vikings...wonder if I'll have the chance to see him play in-person? We shall see. The Viking's star RB in Adrian Peterson is having trouble staying healthy so obviously the team is looking for help at that position.

The Miami Dolphins had 3 former Griz on their roster before Hilliard went to the Vikes. In total, 9 former Griz are currently with NFL teams compared with only 2 former MSU players, though I did notice that former Bobcat DE Dane Fletcher did have his name called a time or 2 in the recent Super Bowl as he is seeing playing time for the Patriots. I thought that was cool.

Anyway, let's hope the Griz can do a better job of avoiding trouble with the law going forward. BEHAVE BOYS!!
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Posted by John Morford 2 years ago
Grizzly AD and Head Football Coach fired:

http://missoulian.com/news/local/p-...b3-0019bb2963f4.html
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Posted by JCF 2 years ago
The firing of Pflugrad and O'Day is just the beginning I think. More shoes to drop in Missoula. Probably a few arrests too. Alas.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr. 2 years ago
Maybe they can hire Shawn Peyton.
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Posted by tom regan 2 years ago
I don't see any Cat fans throwing stones Shu. If any Cat fan thinks the issues at UM are a good thing for MSU, they are morons. 90% of people outside of Montana don't know the difference between UM and MSU. This looks really bad for the state as a whole.

As far as "Kramergate" is concerned, MSU administration and athletics learned from those mistakes and has cleaned up the football program. Coach Ash has done a great job maintaining discipline and I think the players know if they screw up, they will probably be booted from the team.

Besides, when the Cats stomp the griz this year, I don't want griz fans to have any excuses. Oh...our head coach was fired....worst griz team in 20 years....fumbled twice on the 2 yard line....blah blah blah....
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Posted by Jeri Dalbec 2 years ago
A great letter from a classy bunch of guys:

http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/033012aaa.html
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
They don't understand why Pflugrad and O'Day are gone? Checking the mirror would be a start, though it's hard to blame Pflugrad for the culture, it was there before he was.

This is a golden opportunity to try to court Van Diest. Pflugrad never seemed like the right guy, anyway.

[This message has been edited by Buck Showalter (3/30/2012)]
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
I like the Shawn Peyton idea...he is familar with the FCS having used to coach at Eastern Illinios.

As much as I didn't like Dr. Octopus, I gotta say that I think it is BS that he got fired. I understand all this is happening under his watch, but it is not like he tried to hide anything or cover up anything.

Sounds to me like the golden age of UM football is over and that the University will get back to it's roots as the "Dancing Academy." The new president doesn't look to be the football type. It's okay with me...I didn't go to UM because they had a good football team. No matter what happens...I will always root for the Griz...hell they should hire Hauck back...his running rebs will be firing him soon as well the way his team has been playing.

We will have to see what happens, especially with the recruits....likely they will go else where.
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Posted by Shu 2 years ago
...well, word has already gotten around that Coach Phlu's replacement has been hired...for the next year, at least:

http://billingsgazette.com/sports/c...2b-a39d9d04ba41.html

I think this is an idea that makes the most sense right now; put a coach in there who has already been in the current system with the current players for some time and isn't likely to change the O or D philosophies or game plans too much....the question is, will the current players buy-in and stay on after the recent firing (one would hope they would from that "team letter" posted after the firing, but you never know), or will they bail? Also, what will happen with the players who have been getting themselves into trouble? Suspended or kicked-out altogether?

We shall see...
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
I will be rooting for the Grizzlies this year, as Mick Delaney used to be my bartender at the Vu Villa in Butte many years ago, He is a great guy.

Down with the Bobkitties!
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
Bobby Petrino might need a job soon, maybe he'd want to come back home to Montana.
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Posted by tom regan 2 years ago
Pflu and O'Day firing made the Wall Street Journal.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...325813287674918.html

Missoula is a "frontier culture"??
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
The WSJ is the same as Fox News. A bunch of crap.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II 2 years ago
Owned by the same people.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
Now our boys are under investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012...dUSBRE8401KV20120502

Is there no end to the shame that these University of Montana JIZZLIES will bring to our fair state?
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
The Justice Dept is not investigating the football team. They are investigating the Missoula Police Dept....who are a bunch of crooked mother puckers. I haven't heard of one recruit for the Griz giving back his scholarship and going somewhere else. The Griz will be fine come time for the season.
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Posted by urcrackinmeup 2 years ago
80 rapes in 3 years is high. It's not just the police department but the county attorney's office too. Seems like you would prosecute some of those cases.
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Posted by tom regan 2 years ago
I'm not sure what to make of this article. Exaggeration and hearsay?? Maybe.

I don't remember rape(or rape allegations)being so pervasive when I was in college way back in the mid 90's.

http://jezebel.com/5908472/my-weeke...+called-rape-capital
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
Nate Montana transfers to West Virginia Wesleyan?!?


HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Posted by Shu 2 years ago
West Virginia Wesleyan can HAVE Nate. He sucks!
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
F Montana!
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Posted by Mathew Schmitz 2 years ago
Nobody else got it Tom. But I did.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II 2 years ago
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
Life goes on. The real question will not be ho the GRIZ do this year, but rather will NDSU repeat? I say.........................................no.

On a side note....Has anyone ever seen as much drama in the off season for a FCS team? Christ, what the hell is going on at the dancing academy? I don't even want to know what's next.
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
the nightmare continues....
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
okay feeling a little better today after reading in the Missoulian that JJ is still enrolled and still on the team. Rumors were nuts over the weekend that he was expelled. Gotta quit reading egriz.com
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Posted by Bob Netherton II 2 years ago
Uh Oh.

http://missoulian.com/news/local/nc...c7-0019bb2963f4.html

There's talk of "integrity" in this article. Does the NCAA have any?
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
It looks like the jig is up for the Jizzlies.
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
My dog poop on the carpet a year ago, so I'll give him a beating sometime in 2014. The NCAA really knows how to teach people a lesson.
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Posted by redmondroughneck 2 years ago
How could they expell JJ at Montana. After all he wasn't accussed of raping Obama's daughter and there weren't the 12 eye witnesses required for a football player to be convicted.

[This message has been edited by redmondroughneck (6/1/2012)]
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
It's a pretty ugly situation. You don't want to convict him in the court of public opinion, but while he is free you punish his accuser. If we were all like muletrain it would be so simple - Ball above all - the victim would just be the lucky girl who got raped by the starting QB and the Griz would be looking forward to the playoffs.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
Ball above all


I think that is the operative term here.
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
I'm as guilty, I was sure OJ was framed. Kobe, too. Kobe was, though.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
So was OJ
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Posted by redmondroughneck 2 years ago
You know what I hate about Montana? Oregon and Oregon State used to have the record for the most number of players in jail at one time. How in the heck does a small school from the Big Sky take that record away? I guess we are going to have to try harder
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
Buck...you were there? You know for sure? I like how you start saying "like muletrain"...'cause I really give a procreate, right? I must have played tons of football for MC back in the day and I have a vested interest in Griz football? Try reading some of my earlier posts....I never went to UM because of football. Winning at football is icing on the cake, the rest of the University of Montana experience was far more entertaining than Griz football. $5 Wednesdays at the Top Hat, slaying trout in any direction, hippy girls in 2 pieces on the Blackfoot, the "M", Charlie B's late night pool, etc....those are the real reasons why UM is a great place.

Some of the rapes were for sure the real mccoy, some probabaly bullpoop...but unless you were there it would prove that your the biggest douche on the planet to pass any judgement.
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Posted by tom regan 2 years ago
What kind of sicko would cut hippie girls in half!
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
mule train wrote:
okay feeling a little better today after reading in the Missoulian that JJ is still enrolled and still on the team. Rumors were nuts over the weekend that he was expelled. Gotta quit reading egriz.com
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Posted by Buck Showalter 2 years ago
mule train wrote:
We shall see. Woman scorned or GRIZ QB rapist? No one knows. Lot's of speculation. I am not going to speculate on whether he did or didn't. 'Cause God only knows exactly what happened. I will speculate on his fate however...he will be found not guilty. Why you ask? Because atheletes get away with it every day...think Kobe, hell think Parish Cox, the Bronco DB...he even knocked a girl up...she had an abortion...the fetus tested 99% positive it's his...he said he never banged her....and the jury still let him off! It appears that it is a hard sell. Now, if JJ's accuser has a "Girl w/Dragon Tatoo" evidence, he'll be gone and in jail....if not...I think he walks.

One last note...remember Jimmy Wilson? He killed a dude and still got to come back play his senior year and start for the Miami Dolphins! Anything can happen...and usually does...so before all you Cat fans start getting your panties wet, you better wait (like the rest ofd us) and see what happens.


mule train wrote:
okay feeling a little better today after reading in the Missoulian that JJ is still enrolled and still on the team. Rumors were nuts over the weekend that he was expelled. Gotta quit reading egriz.com


I guess you were there? Sorry bunch of bullpoop.
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
I never said he was innocent or guilty. I just know he's a great player and if the Griz lose him, then the season just got harder. Does this mean I think he did or didn't do it? Does this mean I want it all swept under the rug so JJ can play football? The answer is "no" to both. Explain how I passed judgement?

Rape is bad. Football is good. There are false accusations made by people that proves it it possible and can be done. Football players also have a history of bad behavior.

"FBI reports consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%.[8] However, "unfounded" is not synonymous with "false" allegation.[9] The largest study, published in 2005, was based on 2,643 sexual assault cases and found 3% of false reports.[10][11][12] A much criticized[13][14][15] 1994 study of 109 rape complaints made between 1978 and 1987 found 41% of false allegations.[16]" Wikipedia

Could JJ be the biggest turd on the planet? yes....is it possible the girl got her feelings hurt, and made up a story for revenge? yes.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
While the eGriz nation wring their hands over femi-nazis, at least they can console themselves that Coach Pflu was happy with his payout:

http://missoulian.com/news/local/fo...a0-0019bb2963f4.html
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Posted by tom regan 2 years ago
Sports Illustrated article comparing the Penn State situation to UM.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...x.html?sct=cf_t11_a0
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Posted by Shu 2 years ago
Tommy, the 2 situations at Penn State and UM are not THAT comparable. At UM, children were not involved and there were no elaborate cover ups that happened over a period of years while anyone molested children.

The writer of that article is wrong to go there by trying to compare the 2 situations. Frankly I am offended that he would.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II 2 years ago
After reading the article Tom posted, I'd have to say the author made a valid point.

On an actual football note, I see the Griz are down to one quarterback. You know. The one with the restraining order.

[This message has been edited by Bob Netherton II (7/15/2012)]
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Posted by Shu 2 years ago
Bob, The article about Kemp was updated yesterday. He is suspended indefinitely, but has not been kicked off the team for good...at least not yet.

http://missoulian.com/sports/colleg...f7-0019bb2963f4.html

Also, there are 3 other quarterbacks on the roster besides Johnson and Kemp, though none of those 3 have experience.

...man, I just wish all the drama would stop.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II 2 years ago
My mistake Shu(on the QB thing, anyway).
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Posted by Bob Netherton II 2 years ago
Jordan Johnson has now been charged and subsequently suspended. There's more here than meets the eye. Meanwhile, a couple of Bobcat BBall players have been busted for breaking into vehicles. I'm thinking its time to look into the NAIA.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
If its not too late, the Jizzleys should see if they could play Penn State this year at the end of the season....The Black Sheep Bowl.
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
Well JJ is done. Who knows what he could have accomplished had he been able to keep it in his pants? But he didn't keep it in his pants, and from the newly released information it sounds like he indeed raped that girl. Being drunk is no excuse. I personally have been drunk many, many times and never raped anyone. Character flaw or whatever this guy will no longer be a Griz. I feel bad for the victim, JJ's family, the guys on the team. JJ let down a lot of people. But alas, the game goes on. One person does not make a team or a program. Griz football will continue. And in hindsight, firing the AD and the coach, and suspending/kicking out the players might have saved the Griz from say the same fate as Penn State.

Football starts in a month. The Griz coaching staff have a month of camp to find their new starter. Coach D said it best, "it's our responsibility to get these QB's ready to play." Coaching, coaching and more coaching will be the deciding factor on how well the Griz do this year. Hell, after watching Tim Tebow have the kind of year he had last year, I am convinced that anything is possible. But you are going to have to think outside the box and really come up with gameplans that keep the other teams guessing.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
The Grizzly Football Season HAS BEEN SAVED!!!!!!

http://missoulian.com/sports/colleg...2f-0019bb2963f4.html

I think Adam Brzeczek has a lot of potential.
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
One word...SCRUB
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Posted by Bridgier 2 years ago
Will he have to have a DNA sample on file before he can join the team?
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
The guy thinks he has a great chance to be a four year starter...we shall see.
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
Well it seems as though the fate of Griz Nation lies in the hands of a black Irish man from Hawaii. McKinney you ruined this country! Inside joke.


On a side note...I think Griz loose a close one this weekend in Boone, while kitty cates beat up another division II school. But hey, I've been wrong before, so WTF...Bob L. I'll take the Griz by 2. 6 pack of your choice. I'll also take NDSU over CSU by 7. If I loose both I owe you a 12er. If I win both...you owe me. Split and we're even. You down Kenny Rodgers?

[This message has been edited by mule train (9/5/2012)]
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
Mule Deer wrote:
Bob L. I'll take the Griz by 2. 6 pack of your choice. I'll also take NDSU over CSU by 7. If I loose both I owe you a 12er. If I win both...you owe me. Split and we're even. You down Kenny Rodgers?



I'm shocked! Gambling is immoral.

Let me get this straight...I get Appy State and you're giving me 2 points. I also get CSU and you're giving me 7 points?

If that's the case, I guess I'm in?
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
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Posted by Jeri Dalbec 2 years ago
That article is hilarious. Did you see where they used Hilary's name? Pretty creative thinking.
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
They also used the names of several fictional characters from the TV show "Family Guy."

No way buffoon ND Secretary of State Al Jaeger caught that one!
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Posted by Jeri Dalbec 2 years ago
Still having a chuckle over the article. I can just see the creativity that went into the "shortcut". Wonder if they are on the Honor Roll? I was happy when they beat..was it Sam Houston State..for the Championship last season?
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
Jeri wrote:
I was happy when they beat..was it Sam Houston State..for the Championship last season?


So was I.

I hate NDSU, but had made a fairly significant "investment" on the Bison in Las Vegas...
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Posted by Jeri Dalbec 2 years ago
Good for you. I had to mention your link in another article. I am still so tickled. My cousin writes that they were pretty naive. I have two sons that are older guys now...but, could sure see the one who graduated in the 70's thinking of something like that...along with his buddies just to expedite the task. Glad that you did good in Vegas.
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Posted by tom regan 2 years ago
Drake is in the FCS.
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
Hey Mule:

How about I get CSU and Appy.

You get NDSU and Griz.

Straight up - no points.

Let me know!
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
Alright Bob...it's a bet. Straight up...you have CSU and Appy St. I'll take the GRIZ and NDSU.
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
And I'll likely owe you a 12 pack...
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
split...no winners or losers tonight Bob L.

The Griz looked good on the road against a team that had to let two suspended players back on the team for fear of loosing to the Griz. I guess the coach plays on suspending them for their second game next week. Fresh quarterback McKinney has a lot to learn, but the future looks bright.
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Posted by Mathew Schmitz 2 years ago
If you put lipstick on a pig, it's still just a pig.
Just kiddin ya. The Griz played pretty well against a very good team on the road. And my Cats had to work way too hard to win at Drake. Both the Cats and the Griz have some serious work to do. And they better get after it soon. It's about to get real. But I'm pretty happy with the talent level the Cats have compared to the Griz. Probably. It's still very early.
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
I'm just surprised CSU lost to a team like that.
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
CU loosing to Sac St was more of a surprise for me. EW almost took care of Wash St as well. Good showing by the BIg Sky yesterday
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Posted by Bob Netherton II 2 years ago
mule train. Please tell your friend Monty to slap the sh1t out of Sparky the Eagle.

Thank you
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
The Liberty Flames...Jerry Farwell's university. Not sure why we scheduled this game? Couldn't we have booked CU instead?
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
The Flames hung with Wake Forest a couple of weeks ago, losing 20-17.

NO, I DON'T WANT TO LAY A SIX PACK ON THE FLAMES!
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Posted by Mathew Schmitz 2 years ago
Irony = "Jerry Falwell" and the "Flames" in the same sentence. Well done. Very well done.
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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 2 years ago
What happened to the Griz today? Up 24-7 in the first half, homecoming game in Missoula, then next thing I know, it is 41-24 NAU.

Griz game wasn't on....but the Bobcat game was, and the kitties looked good.
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Posted by mule train 2 years ago
Another streak over. The mighty griz has finally been slaughtered by a lumberjack in a forest fire
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Posted by Bob Netherton II 2 years ago
The Griz were on Root Sports(if you have Optimum).
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Posted by ike eichler 2 years ago
Wish I haden't upgraded to get Root sports. PP= Pitifull Performance
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Posted by Bob Netherton II 2 years ago
Defeat! Snatched from the jaws of victory!
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Posted by Bob L. 2 years ago
The Griz lost to UND??????

A HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!





Sorry.
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Posted by Bob Netherton II 2 years ago
I don't envy the Griz' current head coach. Four down for Weber.
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