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 Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Kacey, 2/29/2012 8:43:03 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Steve Allison, 3/1/2012 8:36:28 AM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Former, 3/1/2012 8:38:00 AM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge CebullDonator Bridgier, 3/1/2012 9:06:30 AM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge CebullDonator Amorette F. Allison, 3/1/2012 9:57:42 AM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Mary Bonine, 3/1/2012 11:50:11 AM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge CebullDonator Dona Stebbins, 3/1/2012 1:18:37 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Former, 3/1/2012 1:51:32 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge CebullDonator Amorette F. Allison, 3/1/2012 2:24:14 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Former, 3/1/2012 2:57:47 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge CebullDonator Denise Selk, 3/1/2012 2:58:13 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Levi Forman, 3/1/2012 3:29:28 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge CebullDonator Bridgier, 3/1/2012 3:32:04 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Former, 3/1/2012 3:42:01 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge CebullDonator Bridgier, 3/1/2012 3:51:21 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge CebullDonator Denise Selk, 3/1/2012 3:59:11 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Levi Forman, 3/1/2012 4:03:18 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge CebullDonator Bridgier, 3/1/2012 4:08:32 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, montanajane, 3/1/2012 4:09:45 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, howdy, 3/1/2012 4:15:44 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge CebullDonator Kelly, 3/1/2012 4:36:14 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, montanajane, 3/1/2012 4:58:19 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Mathew Schmitz, 3/1/2012 5:15:36 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, tax payer, 3/1/2012 5:16:28 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Levi Forman, 3/1/2012 6:31:02 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Kacey, 3/1/2012 10:21:26 PM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, AshleyDawn, 3/2/2012 4:26:15 AM
 RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull, Kacey, 3/2/2012 12:43:50 PM
 Subject: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Kacey  Posted: Wed Feb 29 8:43:03 PM MST 2012 From: - MT
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Steve Allison  Posted: Thu Mar 1 8:36:28 AM MST 2012 From: - MT
Something to keep in mind as you consider how relevant this is, he just opened every case he dealt with involving blacks, hispanics or native Americans, to being appealed on grounds he may not have given them a fair trial. This could end up costing all of us hundreds of thousands of dollars. If the man can not think before he opens his mouth or clicks reply all, he should not have the job.
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Former  Posted: Thu Mar 1 8:38:00 AM MST 2012 From: - MT
Hmmm...

A forwarded-a-thousand-times joke, prefaced by extreme sarcasm...

Who cares?

Its in poor taste - but he sent it to a few friends in private - and it isn't like he wrote the joke.

Steve makes a great point, though.

[This message has been edited by Former (3/1/2012)]
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Donator Bridgier  Posted: Thu Mar 1 9:06:30 AM MST 2012 From: - ID
Didn't we just HAVE this thread?
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Donator Amorette F. Allison  Posted: Thu Mar 1 9:57:42 AM MST 2012 From: - MT
He sent an extremely offensive racist joke (it was NOT political, in spite of what the Judge says) from his FEDERAL COMPUTER. It isn't just the racism that bothers me, it is the sheer stupidity of sending it from his OFFICE. That is just plain dumb. And federal district judges shouldn't be dumb.
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Mary Bonine  Posted: Thu Mar 1 11:50:11 AM MST 2012 From: - CA
His name is Richard too. Coincidence?! laughing out loud
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Donator Dona Stebbins  Posted: Thu Mar 1 1:18:37 PM MST 2012 From: - MT
This man is a disgrace to his office and should resign immediately. This was inexcusable.
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Former  Posted: Thu Mar 1 1:51:32 PM MST 2012 From: - MT
The joke was not extremely racist.

It was in "extreme" poor taste.

The "racist" component of the joke, and there is one, is the inference that the President is "white."

The bit about "barking" has absolutely nothing to do with race - it is a red herring. It speaks poorly of the President's mother's character, perhaps - but nothing of race.

So no, this was not an "extremely racist" joke as far as racist jokes go.

It was in very bad taste.

The thing is bad enough as-is without trying to make it something that it is not.

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 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Donator Amorette F. Allison  Posted: Thu Mar 1 2:24:14 PM MST 2012 From: - MT
To quote The Polish Wolf from Montana Cowgirl Blog:
It's racist because it is suggesting that a white woman who would have sex with a black man must be so drunk that she would also have sex with a dog. Specifically, it is suggesting that a relationship between a white woman and a black man couldn't come about through the normal reasons - attraction, friendship, compatibility - but only through a lustful, drunken hook up. It's less about obviously attacking a race as attacking the idea that people from two races getting together is comparable to a person and a dog.


So, yes, it is racist and sexist. And disgusting. And the judge is a moran
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Former  Posted: Thu Mar 1 2:57:47 PM MST 2012 From: - MT
Ok, ok, I admit defeat.

That is reading waaaay more into the so called "joke" than I did. For what its worth.
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Donator Denise Selk  Posted: Thu Mar 1 2:58:13 PM MST 2012 From: - MT
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Levi Forman  Posted: Thu Mar 1 3:29:28 PM MST 2012 From:
I have to agree that that joke was not racist. It is an insult to Obama's mother, but not racist. Still not smart to be forwarding around such things at work. It's also not funny, but that's true of about 90% of the "humor" going around the internet.
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Donator Bridgier  Posted: Thu Mar 1 3:32:04 PM MST 2012 From: - ID
Not to re-open old wounds or anything, but I think some people around here need their racism detectors adjusted, or their hair-splitters re-tuned.

DISTINCTION WITHOUT DIFFERENCE PEOPLE.
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Former  Posted: Thu Mar 1 3:42:01 PM MST 2012 From: - MT
If the joke were the redhead asking her blond mother why she's a redhead, and mom is just glad that she doesn't bark... is that an affront on redheads?

"Clearly, someone who would sleep with a redhead would also sleep with a dog, says the joke, and only if very intoxicated."

That said, the Judge himself said that the joke was racist, which shows his intent, and I will not be sticking up for him any further.

(Although, I still didn't read that much into the sorry attempt at a joke)
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Donator Bridgier  Posted: Thu Mar 1 3:51:21 PM MST 2012 From: - ID
So basically, if it was a joke about something completely different, it would be something else entirely?

I thought we'd managed to leave the Age Of Logical Fallacy behind with the absence of Rick.
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Donator Denise Selk  Posted: Thu Mar 1 3:59:11 PM MST 2012 From: - CO
His lack of good judgment is apparent. He has presided over how many cases involving the prosecution of people with child pornography on their work computers? He, more than just about anyone, should understand the complete lack of expectation of privacy on your work computer. Just plain stupid.

And what kind of friend would send that to your work e-mail, when you are in his position, anyway? Use the personal e-mail. Geesh.

[This message has been edited by Denise Selk (3/1/2012)]
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Levi Forman  Posted: Thu Mar 1 4:03:18 PM MST 2012 From: - CA
FWIW, I thought Richard's joke the other day was clearly racist. This one only is if you read in something that's not expressly there. Since the judge called it racist, he probably meant it that way. Also, I see nothing wrong with Former's example. It's exactly the same joke.
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Donator Bridgier  Posted: Thu Mar 1 4:08:32 PM MST 2012 From: - ID
Except that he took the racial element out of it. Other than that, I agree with you totally.

[This message has been edited by Bridgier (3/1/2012)]
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: montanajane  Posted: Thu Mar 1 4:09:45 PM MST 2012 From: - SD
Sorry Amorette, I have to do this! It would be moron not moran! I am surprised no one has said anything yet!
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: howdy  Posted: Thu Mar 1 4:15:44 PM MST 2012 From: - MT
Montanajane, saying moran instead of moron on this site, is a long standing tradition dating back to a picture of a tea party member holding a sign, spelling it that way...it is done on purpose...



[This message has been edited by howdy (3/1/2012)]
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Donator Kelly  Posted: Thu Mar 1 4:36:14 PM MST 2012 From: - MT
Or...


 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: montanajane  Posted: Thu Mar 1 4:58:19 PM MST 2012 From: - SD
Sorry I didn't realize that!!! So sometimes it is ok to spell wrong?? Wonder how much crap the poor dude with the sign got?
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Mathew Schmitz  Posted: Thu Mar 1 5:15:36 PM MST 2012 From: - MT
It's not racist unless Bill O'Reilly tells us it is. So there. But he won't do that, because this particular judge was appointed by Bush. We all know that the shrub did no wrong.
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: tax payer  Posted: Thu Mar 1 5:16:28 PM MST 2012 From: - WY
You guys need to research your photo! The grapevine says it was a tea party photo but it is not!!!!
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Levi Forman  Posted: Thu Mar 1 6:31:02 PM MST 2012 From:
Except that he took the racial element out of it. Other than that, I agree with you totally.


It has a racial element, but it isn't pejorative, mocking, or stereotypical towards that race, so I wouldn't call it racIST personally. It is disgusting, unfunny, and lame though, which is enough.
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Kacey  Posted: Thu Mar 1 10:21:26 PM MST 2012 From: - MT
http://www.ktvq.com/news/9th-circui...udge-richard-cebull/

We will find out how law abiding the Judicial Council is now.
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: AshleyDawn  Posted: Fri Mar 2 4:26:15 AM MST 2012 From: - MT
Steve high fiver on that post!
Couldn't agree with you more.
This is a Federal Judge for us we're talking about! The level of inappropriateness of this is embarrassing for anyone that recognizes it and is living in the ol' last best place.

Then again poop stain is poop stain and look where he's at.
Im worried, actually. About some of this sh**.
 Subject: RE: Shame on you Federal Judge Cebull
Author: Kacey  Posted: Fri Mar 2 12:43:50 PM MST 2012 From: - MT
Call for impeachment!

From KTVQ today:
Several advocacy groups and lawmakers have called for Cebull's resignation, but the judge will probably not face any harsh punitive action, said CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin.

It's rare and generally very difficult to force federal judges from office. They receive tenure, and the Constitution guarantees they can remain on the bench during good behavior.

The standards for removal are not clear, beyond a violation of civil or criminal law. Congress would have to initiate impeachment proceedings, but the few judges to face that have usually resigned before an outcome.

"The problem is there is almost no remedy for judicial misconduct except by impeachment by the House and removal by the Senate," Toobin said.

And in Cebull's case, while the e-mail was out of line, it just wasn't enough of a big deal to warrant removal, Toobin said.

"All that can happen is he can be embarrassed," he said.
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