Miles City homicide...
Posted by Sweetie Pies 10 years ago
Does anyone remember a homicide that occurred around 1980? Does anyone have any details? We were trying to remember events that had happened in Miles City, or to former Miles Citian's, and this was one that we had forgotten about. I seem to recall something about a cab driver, but I don't remember if a cab driver got killed or if there was a guy who used to be a cab driver here that murdered some people in California? Does this make any sense? Our curiousity is getting the best of us!

Thanks!
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Posted by trey 6 years ago
I remember when I was young, there was a dead body found by the airport after the prom. He was a high school kid. anyone remember that? maybe late 80s early 90s
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Posted by Bridgier 6 years ago
I believe the person you're referring to was Rob Huschka, class of '93.

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Posted by Cris Hrabak 6 years ago
It was Jeff Wyman who was shot and burned by his uncle in Kinsey. It was on 10/21/95. His brother and mother didn't make it but his dad and sister did. I think she still lives on Atlantic across from the depot. Last I heard Jeff was somewhere warm on the east coast. He was a huge NASCAR fan and would often take my son out on the roads in Kinsey just like Dale Sr. would do it as he said. He even had his car painted with a big 3 on it.

We had gone with Jeff out to the house a few times and it was just so heartbreaking knowing what happened there. He was not shy about talking about it and was sort of a hero to my son. Jeff would take him out in kinsey and go fishing for catfish. I remember that was some of the best times for my son. So excited to come home and cook his fish that they just caught. I would love to get back into contact with Jeff and see how he is doing.
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Posted by Jeff Denton 6 years ago
The Wyman tragedy has to be the horriblest thing that ever happened at Kinsey. Check out the a-hole who did it:
https://app.mt.gov/cgi-bi...ocid=39211
I hope something even more horrible becomes of that bastard. But not anytime soon. Let him enjoy prison as long as possible.
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Posted by Samantha Hydrick 6 years ago
Yes, Denny. My mother Alise Cagle was killed in our front yard in July 1995, same year as the Wymans. I remember it was just a really bad year for the community. Her perpetrator Karley Lindstrom claimed to have accidentally shot her. He received 15 years for criminal endangerment, and only had to serve about 5 if I remember correctly. He's been out for some time.
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Posted by Tempest 5 years ago
Um... I dont mean to bring this thread into the light again but wow... And does Mr.White know that he's on here. I had no clue he had committed a crime like this and I know him pretty well and think hes a great guy. I dont think its right that links are posted about people that are still residing in MC and trying to live there lives after doing time. I just happened to stumble upon this thread and it doesnt make me look at Mr.White any different but its still not right in my opinion to be posting links to his record and photo on a public site thats dedicated to small town MC. Its a small town and you could make his life harder after all hes been thru. I just dont think its right. I really wander about a lot of the ppl in MC. Its suppose to be a small town with NICE, UNDERSTANDING and RESPECTFUL folks. Ive mainly seen nothing but gossip, bad mouthing, rude, immorale and flat out unethical people. Its sad. Im extremely happy I no longer reside in Miles City.
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Posted by Bridgier 5 years ago
[This message has been edited by Bridgier (11/16/2010)]
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster 5 years ago
I don't know why this thread has been brought back up, so Tempest I'm going to ignore you, as an idiot. Bridgier, your father was the first on the scene after the Cody murder but it was already too late.
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Posted by Mike Wallick 5 years ago
Tempest,

It's cool that you won't look at him differently, but you might want to rethink that invitation to go ice fishing.
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Posted by Tempest 5 years ago
@ Mike - LOL! Yea I don't think Id be going ice fishing with him. I wont be ice fishing anytime soon either. Im happy with my 70 degree weather down here in Vegas.

@ Larry - Last time you and I went rounds Larry you actually told me I was quite intelligent and we ended up becoming friends. I even sent you an e-mail last night hoping that we could catch up. I even offered you to stay with me if you wanted to come down to Vegas to visit Sorry to hear you think of me as a low intelligence idiot now. I hope we can maybe bury the hatchet one more time. I did enjoy talking to you after our last spat. I even was team Larry on the "I got hacked thread". (GO NORTON 2011) So I must not be too much of a moron if I agree with you on many subjects. I apologise for bringing the thread to life. I was just in shock when I clicked one of the links and up popped a photo of someone I had met in my 3 years of residing in MC. Please don't misunderstand me either. Im not trying to generalize, there are many great people in MC that I do keep in contact with. Again I apologise if Ive offended anyone.
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Posted by Dave Roberts 5 years ago
Its a small town and you could make his life harder after all hes been thru.


http://data.opi.mt.gov/bi...-5-102.htm

Cry me a procreating river.

God save thee, ancient Mariner
From the fiends, that plague thee thus
Why look'st thou so ? - With my cross-bow
I shot the ALBATROSS.
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Ah. well a-day. what evil looks
Had I from old and young
Instead of the cross, the Albatross
About my neck was hung.

"The Rime of the Ancient Mariner by Samuel Taylor Coleridge, in which the eponymous mariner, who shoots an albatross, is obliged to carry the burden of the bird hung around his neck, as a punishment for and reminder of his ill deed."


Felony convictions come with lifetime dead albatrosses.
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Posted by polar bear 5 years ago
To answer an earlier question--murder is not genetic, but mental illness can be very genetic.
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Posted by sdrew 5 years ago
Tempest, I didn't see anything in the posts that was extremely rude or gossipy or judgemental in these threads. I think it is good to recall things that happened in our community in the past, good or bad. I, for one, feel proud of our community that we rarely experience these types of occurrences and that we have the courage to talk about and remember the victims, their families and the history of it all. If you're so glad to be out of this awful little town, why do you torture yourself visiting this site?
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Posted by Mike Wallick 5 years ago
The truly ironic detail in the posting is that just by his posting he reignited the dormant thread that he objected to. He gave it life!

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Posted by Gunnar Emilsson 5 years ago
Tempest, you don't understand.....you haven't offended anyone here, we all just think you are an idiot.

Big difference.

I manage to offend most everyone here, but rarely am I called an idiot. An a-hole? Yes, and I accept that.

You, on the other hand, are a first class idiot. Enjoy the monicker!
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Posted by Mike Willson 5 years ago
I think the one at the Olive Lounge (the shooter was ____French) it was a rancher getting even for getting screw in an Insurance deal!!!
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Posted by Tempest 5 years ago
My IQ begs to differ with anyone that makes remarks towards my intelligence so thats just a waste of my time to dignify such remarks with a reply back other than, "Everytime you point your finger you have three pointing back at yourself". I never stated that anyone was being rude or judgemental in this particular thread (up until this point). I was merely stating that I dont THINK IT'S RIGHT (Im entitled to my own opinion) to talk about people that are really trying hard to live their lives correctly after paying for a heinous crime. Atleast, not in such a SMALL town. Everyone literally knows just about EVERYONE in MC. Yes what he did was wrong. Im not argueing that BUT he spent close to 30 years in jail for what he did and he's a decent citizen now who should be left alone and not be spoken about. Its more of a sympathetic vote from me. I have sympathy for the man that lost his life and I have sympathy for the man that lost the majority of his life because it was spent behind bars. As for the digs at some residents of MC that was me just being disgruntled at posts Ive seen on this site where people say completely outrageous, rude, unempathetic, unethical and flat out mean things like a twelve year old child with an adults vocabulary would. Its just not right. Its sad that some people are scared to join in on this site to post their honest opinions in fear of being ridiculed. Luckily I couldnt care less about being ridiculed online. Id love to see someone call me an idiot in person. Its really sad that some people are abusing this site to make themselves feel better. I wont name names, you all know who you are. Good day.
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Posted by Richard Bonine, Jr 5 years ago
Does your IQ allow the use of paragraphs?
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Posted by Buck Showalter 5 years ago
My IQ likes waffle fries.
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Posted by Dave Roberts 5 years ago
"A young girl was trudging along a mountain path, trying to reach her grandmother's house. It was bitter cold, and the wind cut like a knife. When she was within sight of her destination, she heard a rustle at her feet.

Looking down, she saw a snake. Before she could move, the snake spoke to her. He said, "I am about to die. It is too cold for me up here, and I am freezing. There is no food in these mountains, and I am starving. Please put me under your coat and take me with you."

"No," replied the girl. "I know your kind. You are a rattlesnake. If I pick you up, you will bite me, and your bite is poisonous."

"No, no," said the snake. "If you help me, you will be my best friend. I will treat you differently."

The little girl sat down on a rock for a moment to rest and think things over. She looked at the beautiful markings on the snake and had to admit that it was the most beautiful snake she had ever seen.

Suddenly, she said, "I believe you. I will save you. All living things deserve to be treated with kindness."

The little girl reached over, put the snake gently under her coat and proceeded toward her grandmother's house.

Within a moment, she felt a sharp pain in her side. The snake had bitten her.

"How could you do this to me?" she cried. "You promised that you would not bite me, and I trusted you!"

"You knew what I was when you picked me up," hissed the snake as he slithered away."


I know. I'm wasting my time.

You know, I think that I got out of 'Vegas at just about the right time. Before too much longer, there won't be anyone left but cons/ex cons/ soon to be cons/ and presumably in hog heaven, Tempest.

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Posted by Amorette Allison 5 years ago
Internet Rule #2: NEVER say you don't care that someone insulted you in a post in which you are obviously upset and are desperately defending yourself against that insult.

If you really didn't care, you wouldn't post.

On, and the return key can be used to throw in that extra line to make reading more legible when ranting.
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Posted by Bruce Helland 5 years ago
"Return" key? LOL
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Posted by sdrew 5 years ago
For a person so glad to get out of this small town where everyone knows everyone, Tempest sure can't cut the cord! Things must be slow in the big city as well.
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Posted by Patricia 5 years ago
Interesting thread. I am always glad to know if there are violent criminals/sex offenders who live in my neighborhood (around Montana, Leighton Boulevard, WMS)!
As far as the Etchemendy murder goes: Didn't the whole thing start out at the Alta Saloon?
Also: Let's not forget about the most recent homicides (Woods and Rickett).
It is good to know your town's history (good or bad)...so thanks for this thread.
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster 5 years ago
The Etchemendy murder started out at the Alta and ended up down around Wyoming, or wherever, in disturbing fashion. I knew him before his demise. The Indians who did it are I believe at least life in prison, if not on death row.
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Posted by Dave Roberts 5 years ago
Lester and Vern KillsOnTop killed Marty Etchemendy.

https://app.mt.gov/cgi-bi...ocid=27079

https://app.mt.gov/cgi-bi...ocid=27177

Diane Bullcoming was also convicted of robbery in the same incident.

https://app.mt.gov/cgi-bi...ocid=27061
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Posted by miles town native 5 years ago
Correction: Killsontop picked up Etchemendy at the Golden West not the Alta.
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Posted by MilesCity.com Webmaster 5 years ago
You are correct about that. It was the Golden West. Sorry, my mistake.
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Posted by Mike Wallick 5 years ago
http://articles.latimes.c...me-19733_1

Officer Matches Wits With Worst
November 10, 1987|JERRY HICKS | Times Staff Writer

James A. Sidebotham, chief investigator for the Orange County Sheriff's Department in the Randy Kraft serial murder case, still hears from colleagues about Cody Schreiber.

Schreiber was suspected of killing his Mission Viejo roommate six years ago. During an interrogation that lasted nearly two hours, Schreiber told two investigators about burglars breaking in and killing the roommate. He talked and talked and talked. But he steadfastly denied killing anyone.

Sidebotham was monitoring the questioning from another room. When it ended, he talked briefly with Schreiber at a water cooler.

"You ready to give it up?" Sidebotham asked.

Schreiber looked at him.

Let's talk, Schreiber said.

Grisly Details Given

Alone with Sidebotham, Schreiber confessed. Sometimes it helps just to let it all out, Sidebotham suggested.

So he did. Schreiber told in grisly detail, before a hidden video camera, how he decapitated his roommate and buried the body parts. Sidebotham later allowed Schreiber to be the director and star of his own videotape, re-creating the crime for investigators.

The videotaped confession and the video re-creation of the crime were key to the prosecution's case against Schreiber who was convicted of first-degree murder.

"It takes a unique individual to get a cold-blooded killer to open up like that," said Deputy Dist. Atty. Bryan F. Brown, one of the prosecutors in the Kraft case and an unabashed admirer of the 52-year-old investigator. "Sidebotham is the kind of cop you would confess to. It's like telling your grandfather."

The rail-thin Sidebotham can manage a smile about the Schreiber story. But after 27 years in law enforcement, most of his stories are about the anguish of victims' families, murders with no clues and the tedious task of going to court once a suspect is caught.

In the Kraft case, prosecutors wonder if Sidebotham hasn't been forced to perform beyond the call of duty. He has been on the witness stand 18 days--and returns again today--in a pretrial search warrant hearing. No one in Orange County legal circles can recall a police officer testifying longer.

Kraft, accused of killing 37 young men between 1971 and 1983, is challenging the legality of the search of his car and three searches of his Long Beach home. Sidebotham led a team of investigators who seized several thousand items of evidence in those searches.

Kraft's attorneys say Sidebotham overstepped his bounds.
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Posted by Ang 5 years ago
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Posted by wrejr 4 years ago
(Marie Eddy was killed by her boyfriend in the late 80's early 90's.)

>>>>MARIE EDDY WAS MURDERED BY HER HUSBAND DARELL SPARKS. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!! HE IS STILL IN PRISON AND HOPEFULLY TO NEVER BE RELEASED!!
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Posted by Luana Weller 4 years ago
His name was Bill French
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Posted by C17 4 years ago
What about Catherine Woods just a few years ago?
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Posted by sandy moran-geldrich 2 years ago
Wow where the hell was I when this happen with August White I grew up with him and we were good friends when we were young :eek I no my brother was killed by a drunk driver that year so I guess I just blocked this out!
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Posted by Marcia Entzel 2 years ago
Hi,
I think the homicide at the Olive Hotel was in 1973, if memory serves me correctly. We live in WA and were home for my Dad's funeral, which was in late Feb. and early March. Bill French was a long-time neighbor and we knew him well.My Mom said he'd gone downtown to collect a large amount of money ($25,000-50,000) and the victim smirked and basically told Bill he had no intention of paying him back.
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Posted by Frank Hardy 2 years ago
I thought I had posted this before, but can't find it here. Contains some details of the French/Fleming murder.

http://statecasefiles.jus...200B6D.pdf

Bill French died in prison. It's amazing what an impact these events have on us when we are young.

FH
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Posted by David Schott 2 years ago
Makes me wonder if Bill was hitting the sauce before he took on that endeavor.
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Posted by Jim Birkholz 2 years ago
I don't remember this at all, but I was just a dumb freshman or sophomore. Anyone know what these men did for a living? What kind of deal they might have had that involved so much money? That would probably be close to the cost of a nice home these days...
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Posted by Oddjob 2 years ago
If memory serves (and it doesn't serve very well these days) the argument was over coal leases or a land deal of some sort. French thought Fleming was screwing him on the deal so he popped him. I didn't know either one of them, but I did know Joe Hennessey who handled the appeal along with Ken Wilson. Joe and I had several conversations about his involvement with the French case in the late 1970's.

An interesting part of this particular case was, at that time, defense attorneys around the Country were trying to build some case law for the "diminished capacity" defense. Hennessey told me that was one of the objectives and he thought the circumstances involving Bill French might be a good test case in an appeal.

Apparently the Court wasn't sold on it at that time. I do remember that in the late '70's and '80's there were a number of murder cases tried with a "diminished capacity" argument and some of the defense attorneys were successful in obtaining reduced sentences.
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Posted by Tara E 2 years ago
Why doesn't someone call UNSOLVED MYSTERIES about larry the porn video Guy.. wouldnt we all like to find out who and what happened.. there could be a killer in your own back yard!!! No matter what larry was he deserves justice to his death right..Seems like a lot of killings in the 80s and 90s.. wierd..
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Posted by Tom Masa 2 years ago
Tara E. Good Idea... Go ahead and call.
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Posted by Just Me one year ago
This is so interesting. I was in grade school when Janet Smith was killed at the Alta club. Being so young I guess I never knew or never asked if anybody knew why.
I googled it when I came on this thread. With all due respect to all the lives that were affected . . . thank you all for sharing.
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Posted by Montanablus 9 months ago
On the evening of October 21, 1995, Carl Race went to the home of his estranged wife's sister Rita Wymann and her family, husband Claude and sons Jeff & ____ in Kinsey, Montana, and shot all four people living there. He then poured an accelerant, believed to be gasoline, on the victims' bodies and set them on fire. Jeff managed to escape to a neighbor's house, after being shot, and Claude managed to escape after he had been set on fire. Claude and Jeff survived Race's attack. Rita and son ______ died as a result of their gunshot wounds and burns. The two survivors, who had known Race for over twenty years, identified him as the assailant. Race was arrested in Texas a week later and was extradited to Montana on two charges of deliberate homicide, two charges of attempted deliberate homicide, aggravated burglary, and arson. At the State's request, the court ordered a psychiatric examination to determine whether Race was capable of standing trial and whether he was capable of possessing the requisite mental state at the time of the crimes. After a two-day examination, the psychiatrist, Dr. Stratford, concluded that Race was competent to stand trial and that he suffered from no mental disease or defect. Stratford further stated his belief that Race had the capacity to act purposely or knowingly and to appreciate the criminality of his conduct at the time of the crimes charged.
In May 1996, Race and the State entered a plea agreement by which Race pled guilty to two counts of deliberate homicide and two counts of attempted deliberate homicide. The State agreed to drop the charges of arson and aggravated burglary and not to recommend a sentence of death.
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Posted by Tom Masa 9 months ago
This article from 1985 says that Cody Schreiber was sentenced to 25 years for the murder in California. So he should be out by now???

Mission Viejo Couple Accepts $300,000 Out of Court : Murder Victim's Parents Settle With State of Montana

January 09, 1985|RAY PEREZ | Times Staff Writer

A Mission Viejo couple whose son was decapitated by a man who had escaped from a Montana mental hospital decided to accept a $300,000 out-of-court settlement from that state, their attorney said Tuesday.

Myron G. Cohn, who represented George A. and Irene Schubert in the case against the State of Montana, said the couple could have probably won more money had they decided to go to court.

The Schuberts, who declined to discuss the case, sued Montana for negligence in not providing better security for Cody Leo Schreiber, who escaped from the Warm Springs Mental Institution in 1977. Almost five years later, on Oct. 16, 1982, Schreiber decapitated Dennis James Schubert, 24, and buried the body in the backyard of the house they shared in Mission Viejo.

"It would have been pretty traumatic for them to go through it again," Cohn said. "There was a lot of anguish involved (in the decision to settle out of court)."

Schreiber, now 30, had been committed to the Montana mental institution after being found not guilty by reason of insanity in the shooting and stabbing death of a cab driver. He is now serving a 25-year sentence at Folsom Prison for Schubert's murder.

Clayton Herron, an attorney for the Montana Department of Administration's insurance and legal division, said the $300,000 was the maximum the Schuberts could have received from the state. But he also said the couple had a strong case and could have won much more had they chosen to go to trial.

"We felt it was very possible that a jury would have found negligence on our part, and a jury could have awarded them anywhere in the millions," Herron said from Helena, Mont.

The Montana official also said that other litigants are challenging the state's $300,000 maximum settlement on constitutional grounds and that this was another reason the state was anxious to settle with the Schuberts.
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Posted by David Schott 9 months ago
The California Inmate Locator website shows an inmate named Cody Leo Schreiber, Age 62, at the High Desert State Prison in Susanville, CA.
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